listen2me 23 1,873 Posted July 13, 2009 Lesnar is a monster. I don't mean he is like a monster, I mean the guy IS a real life monster. He was foaming at the mouth and bug eyed. No way he makes it past 45 years old. His heart is gonna explode from all the roids he is on. Also no roids. No doubt he most likely took them back in the WWE. They test for roids right after the fights I believe and the verdict comes out like a week later. Not sure what they test for, but it is as good or better than MLBs testing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,148 Posted July 13, 2009 Also no roids. No doubt he most likely took them back in the WWE. They test for roids right after the fights I believe and the verdict comes out like a week later. Not sure what they test for, but it is as good or better than MLBs testing. I've got some swamp land if Florida to sell. PM me please. TIA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,873 Posted July 13, 2009 I've got some swamp land if Florida to sell. PM me please. TIA They test. Fighters have been caught and suspended. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
donhaas 18 Posted July 13, 2009 Also no roids. No doubt he most likely took them back in the WWE. They test for roids right after the fights I believe and the verdict comes out like a week later. Not sure what they test for, but it is as good or better than MLBs testing. So you're saying their testing is piss-poor Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DankNuggs 305 Posted July 13, 2009 Trouble with the UFC is that these guys have such short career windows... Tough to talk about 'the best' when they barely have a couple year window where they are prime...before they take a devastating KO and never come back the same.. A guy like Matt Hughes dominated GSP until his window was up... Now its GSP... Chuck Liddell has to be my favorite UFC fighter... to bad he jumped the shark... im sure he's retired now, living at the bunny ranch, enjoying life... Hoice Gracie was badazz to watch...him and Kevin Randelman were alot of fun waaaaaaaayyyyy back in the day, when those guys would fight over and over in a tourney.... even if the competition wasn't as sophisiticated, fighting 3 times a night is ridiculous... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 541 Posted July 13, 2009 I've got some swamp land if Florida to sell. PM me please. TIA Yeah, really. Holy crap, Listen2me. Tell me you don't believe that these guys are clean. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
surferskin 30 Posted July 13, 2009 Lesnar is much smaller now than when he was in the WWE. Just sayin. Also, anyone that missed the Hendo knockout, click HERE before this gets taken down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kutulu 1,676 Posted July 13, 2009 None of the fighters on the UFC 100 card were subjected to the Nevada State Athletic Commission's out-of-competition drug testing program, as confirmed by NSAC Executive Director Keith Kizer on Sunday morning. Out-of-competition drug tests differ from the NSAC's usual drug tests in the sense that with the out-of-competition testing, fighters do not know when they are going to be tested ahead of time. Drug testing on the day of the weigh-in or the day of the fight is, of course, going to fail to detect a significant percentage of dopers because they will have had weeks to use advanced methods of flushing performance-enhancing drugs out of their bodies. ... Even when no other out-of-competition drug testing is performed, the NSAC usually orders out-of-competition tests to be performed on fighters who have previously failed drug tests in the state of Nevada. In the case of UFC 100, that was not done. Stephan Bonnar was not ordered to take an out-of-competition drug test, despite the fact that Bonnar previously tested positive for Boldenone after a fight against Forrest Griffin in 2006. Boldenone is an anabolic steroid used by veterinarians to rehabilitate injured horses. link Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,539 Posted July 13, 2009 Lesnar is much smaller now than when he was in the WWE. Just sayin.Also, anyone that missed the Hendo knockout, click HERE before this gets taken down. That one was awesome. Bisping is a pompous dooshbag who deserved to get knocked out. Loved Rogan "Separated him from his senses". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,148 Posted July 13, 2009 I wasn't trying to say it was bad if the UFC guys use PED's. I think they should all do it. Fock it, the bigger and badder the better for a 'sport' like that. I was more or less talking about Lesnar's crazed and raged post fight stuff. That screamed roids. I may be wrong, but I doubt it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,873 Posted July 13, 2009 Yeah, really. Holy crap, Listen2me. Tell me you don't believe that these guys are clean. Go back and look at Brock in his college wrestling days. The guy is a freak and always has been. Clean? Why not? Look at any run of the mill LB in the NFL without his shirt on, they all look like that. These HWs are mostly 6'3 240-250 what is crazy about that? I can't say for sure these guys are all the way clean, just like you can't say a Pulous is clean for baseball. All I do know is they do have legit tests and fighters have been suspended for testing positive. If that isn't enough then group all major sports in with MMA, and say all sports have steroid use. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
surferskin 30 Posted July 13, 2009 Brock BEFORE Brock NOW I'd say there's a 99.9% chance he's done roids at one time or the other but he's obviously not on anything hardcore like his WWE days. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 541 Posted July 13, 2009 I was more or less talking about Lesnar's crazed and raged post fight stuff. That screamed roids. I may be wrong, but I doubt it. No. You're not wrong. Look at his freakin' brow. He looks like a gorilla. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,873 Posted July 13, 2009 I wasn't trying to say it was bad if the UFC guys use PED's. I think they should all do it. Fock it, the bigger and badder the better for a 'sport' like that. I was more or less talking about Lesnar's crazed and raged post fight stuff. That screamed roids. I may be wrong, but I doubt it. I think he is just so used to the WWE that it just comes out sometimes. In the WWE your mouth and appearance are your money makers, he is just used to making it a "show". Just like all tests in sports some athletes will find ways around it. If they had no tests and just let it go, that would be one thing. But they do have tests and thats really all I was saying. These guys train harder than most all athletes in the sports world, I am not surprised by the way they look. And Brock is just extra big, because he is big, he is a big guy that has been big for a long time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,148 Posted July 13, 2009 Brock BEFORE Brock NOW I'd say there's a 99.9% chance he's done roids at one time or the other but he's obviously not on anything hardcore like his WWE days. Come on Surfer. That's just because in the WWE days he was tanned, shaven, and lubed up. I'd look like Mario Lopez if I did that to my body. You should know this trick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,873 Posted July 13, 2009 No. You're not wrong. Look at his freakin' brow. He looks like a gorilla. Once again Newbie has the answers, even if he has no clue about the subject at hand. And I'm not saying I KNOW they aren't on steroids. But I do KNOW they test and fighters have been suspended and even stripped of titles, that is more than baseball could say for a long time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kutulu 1,676 Posted July 13, 2009 Cardio Freak is back with a review of UFC 100. Was Brock Lesnar out of line with his post fight antics? Is there anything left for Georges St. Pierre at Welterweight? Who turned in the best performance of the night? A complete recap of all the fights and where the fighters go from here is inside. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
surferskin 30 Posted July 13, 2009 That's just because in the WWE days he was tanned, shaven, and lubed up. I'd look like Mario Lopez if I did that to my body. What are you waiting for then? TIA ...oh, don't forget to post the pics here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 541 Posted July 13, 2009 Come on Surfer. That's just because in the WWE days he was tanned, shaven, and lubed up. I'd look like Mario Lopez if I did that to my body. You should know this trick. Although you are 100% correct in your assertion about Lesnar, I want to officially lay down the Mario Lopez challenge to you. Tan, shave, and oil yourself up. Then post a Lopez picture next to yours, with the heads cropped off. Letr's see if anyone can guess who's who. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
surferskin 30 Posted July 13, 2009 Although you are 100% correct in your assertion about Lesnar C'mon, you really don't think he's the same size in those pics, do you? I'm pretty sure he was over 3 bills when he was wrasslin in the WWE. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,148 Posted July 13, 2009 If he is not on roids then Lesnar has rabies. It's one or the other. Normal people, even if fighting like that, do not foam at the mouth and 'bug out'. Also!@#! I just got off the phone with the local fake-n-bake place. I'll post the pics in about two weeks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kutulu 1,676 Posted July 13, 2009 Lesnar is much smaller now than when he was in the WWE. Just sayin.Also, anyone that missed the Hendo knockout, click HERE before this gets taken down. linky Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
surferskin 30 Posted July 13, 2009 If he is not on roids then Lesnar has rabies. It's one or the other. Normal people, even if fighting like that, do not foam at the mouth and 'bug out'. Also!@#! I just got off the phone with the local fake-n-bake place. I'll post the pics in about two weeks. I'll be waiting. See my sig. :hyper: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RicemanX 20 Posted July 13, 2009 Hendo's KO was out of this world. Can't think of any other KO as brutal as that one since Gonzaga kicked out Cro Cop. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
surferskin 30 Posted July 13, 2009 Hendo's KO was out of this world.Can't think of any other KO as brutal as that one since Gonzaga kicked out Cro Cop. Evans on Liddel mebbe. The thing that puts Hendo over the top though, was the leaping second punch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 541 Posted July 13, 2009 C'mon, you really don't think he's the same size in those pics, do you? I'm pretty sure he was over 3 bills when he was wrasslin in the WWE. Maybe 10-15 lbs. heavier in teh first picture and more defined. How old is teh dude? He's got to be in his 40's. Even 'roids don't make you look 25 forever. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
surferskin 30 Posted July 13, 2009 Maybe 10-15 lbs. heavier in teh first picture and more defined. How old is teh dude? He's got to be in his 40's. Even 'roids don't make you look 25 forever. 31 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RicemanX 20 Posted July 13, 2009 Evans on Liddel mebbe. The thing that puts Hendo over the top though, was the leaping second punch. Definitely Evans on Chuck, good call. But the nastiest one has to be when Wandi muai tai kneed Rampage into the ropes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tubby_mcgee 701 Posted July 13, 2009 My observations: Lesnar's "strategy", initally, was to control Mir's head. As I watched him hold Mir's head down either by his neck, or whatever means necessary...I was thinking...."ya know...that makes sense. If Mir can't get his head off the canvas...he won't be able to submit him" Kinda like when you hold a snake...you have to hold it by the head. GSP has no competition at 170. Hughes time has passed (and...even in his prime, he wasn't as good as GSP is now---and I'm a huge Hughes fan). Fitch, Alves, Koscheck all got methodically thumped for 5 rounds each (or was Kos only 3?). The only way he can be beat at 170 is if he get's pegged by a big punch....(Serra). GSP vs. Anderson Silva. I said it many times..and I said it long ago....(on Sherdog, possibly on here), GSP would walk through Silva. Silva is better on his feet...but he won't be there very long. GSP is one fighter that will fight to take away your strongpoints, i.e, take you down if he thinks you have a chance on your feet (Serra II). Dan Henderson, although he KO'd Bisping, is one that will gladly stay standing vs. a striker, to prove he can beat them at their game....or that his striking is "on par" with his opponents, rather than just take them down so they feel like a fish out of water. Henderson. Should have taken Bisping down. The way it turns out...he didn't need to, but I think that would have been the "safest and smartest" thing he could have done..... Fitch. Meh. Good....could contend for title if GSP moved up. At 170, you have GSP in one group...then the next 10 in the next group. He appears to be that much better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kutulu 1,676 Posted July 13, 2009 GSP vs. Anderson Silva. Yeah, I'd like to see that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RicemanX 20 Posted July 13, 2009 The only problem I see with GSP and Silva is that there are a lot of deserving middleweights looking to get a shot at Silva. Hendo for one, who should be next in line. Winner of Maia and Marquart definitely deserves a shot as well. Yushin Okami has been overlooked for a title shot for a LONG time. Also Silva is already taking too much time Focking around with the Light Heavyweights. If he dominates Forrest, he is probably going to ask for a LHW title shot... I just don't see GSP vs Silva possible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,873 Posted July 13, 2009 GSP vs. Anderson Silva. I said it many times..and I said it long ago....(on Sherdog, possibly on here), GSP would walk through Silva. Silva is better on his feet...but he won't be there very long. GSP is one fighter that will fight to take away your strongpoints, i.e, take you down if he thinks you have a chance on your feet (Serra II). Dan Henderson, although he KO'd Bisping, is one that will gladly stay standing vs. a striker, to prove he can beat them at their game....or that his striking is "on par" with his opponents, rather than just take them down so they feel like a fish out of water. Henderson. Should have taken Bisping down. The way it turns out...he didn't need to, but I think that would have been the "safest and smartest" thing he could have done..... Fitch. Meh. Good....could contend for title if GSP moved up. At 170, you have GSP in one group...then the next 10 in the next group. He appears to be that much better. I don't agree at all. Walk through Anderson Silva at his own weight class? A guy moving up a weight class to fight a big 185? Anderson would be the favorite and would win that fight. Is it a lock, no. But Anderson would and should be the favorite in that fight. For gods sakes, he is moving up to 205 and fighting a BIG 205er in Forrest Griffin and he is the heavy favorite. Did you see GSP after the fight when Rogan asked him about it? He knows it isn't a good fight for him, but he doesn't have much more to do at 170. Dana and GSP know this, but it would be a huge fight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,873 Posted July 13, 2009 I just don't see GSP vs Silva possible. I do. Because the UFC wants to give you the best fights. GSP-Silva would be huge. Silva fights Forrest in August. If he wins say he fights the winner of Maia-Marquardt in November. Wins. I could see GSP-Silva on the Super Bowl card in late January/Early February. Just like Penn-GSP was at the start of the year. Anderson has said that if he could, he would fight every 2 months, or at least 5 times a year, and has told Dana that he wants more fights. I don't think 205 is a place for Anderson for a few reasons. 1. His sometimes training partner and friend is the champ and he doesn't want to fight him. He has said 205 is Machida's division. 2. I think he moves up to 205 to put on good/interesting fights. Dana was sick of the bums at 185 that did nothing (basically Leites) so with no clear cut contender at 185, he gave it time and gave him Forrest who WILL come forward and fight, and fans should once again see an entertaining Anderson fight. Lets look at the contenders at 185, all of which don't really deserve anything: 1. Henderson - already lost to Silva in the 2nd round. The best fight for Silva at 185, but not yet. He had his chance, it didn't get out of the 2nd, he can wait. 2. Maia/Marquardt - Maia winning would give Dana fits. Another BJJ specialist like Leites. He would be very afraid of a repeat. Marquardt good fighter, but nothing wow since he lost to Silva the 1st time. Deserves a 2nd shot less than Hendo. 3. Okami - Record wise he deserved a shot long ago. But his fights are so boring he rarely gets to the main card. Anderson has said he wants to retire at 35, he is 33. Dana wants to get the best fights out of him while he can. A couple more snoozers would be a nightmare. Hell 1 more would be. That is why a Forrest fight is happening and GSP fight will. Only thing is GSPs willingness to move up. Really step back and see that Anderson has just as many deserving contenders at his weight as does GSP. Hendo and Marquardt are like GSPs Alves and Fitch. And The Spider has even dominated more, stopping both while Fitch and Alves took GSP to a Decision. Everyone has forgotten how good Anderson is because of his last 2 fights. The guy barley got touched in either fight, but somehow he looked bad? Be mad that he didn't finish both when he could have, but don't forgot how dominant he has and still is. Neither of those fights did he come close to losing a round. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Me_2006 14 Posted July 13, 2009 ^Good post. GSP's insane take-down ability might not be so insane if he has to move up and fight a big 185. Plus, Silva isn't JUST a striker. It's that no one can get him down, so he just bashes your face in with unbelievable precision. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,873 Posted July 13, 2009 ^Good post. GSP's insane take-down ability might not be so insane if he has to move up and fight a big 185. Plus, Silva isn't JUST a striker. It's that no one can get him down, so he just bashes your face in with unbelievable precision. The thing I look at is his fight with Hendo. Hendo is a world class wrestler, he competed in the Olympics. This is nothing to take away from GSP, he is amazing and Pound for Pound the best wrestler in the UFC....in my opinion. But Henderson is a career 205er/185er. So he is basically bigger than Anderson. He took Anderson down in the 1st but wasn't able to really dominate him. Anderson went on to choke him out in the 2nd. And to take a closer look on who has submitted Hendo in his long career? The Nog brothers and Anderson Silva are the only 3. Anderson Silva would have the advantage in the following: Strength, weight, height, reach, striking, clinch......and it is close, both are black belts, but because of Anderson's reach and longer legs, I would say Anderson has the better BJJ. GSP would have the wrestling and some cardio, both are negated a little by being the smaller man. We are talking 5'10 to 6'2. 185 on fight night to 210. And Anderson most likely has at least a 4 inch reach advantage. Anderson has already beat a wrestler, who was bigger and much stronger than GSP. I wouldn't be excited for this fight if I thought GSP had no chance. He does. But Anderson Silva isn't getting walked through by anyone, let alone a 170 lb fighter moving up. The toughest fight in Anderson's UFC career is a 2nd round win over Dan Henderson by rear naked choke. The guy finished fighters 7 straight times once in the UFC with only 3 of those making it to the 2nd round. But yet in many people's minds that is all erased by 2 current fights that he still dominated, but were boring. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Savage Beast 1 Posted July 14, 2009 If he is not on roids then Lesnar has rabies. It's one or the other. Normal people, even if fighting like that, do not foam at the mouth and 'bug out'. I do. I spit and foam and growl and scream like a mad man when I get mad. You have really never seen a guy lose his temper and flip out like Lesnar did? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gocolts 300 Posted July 15, 2009 If he is not on roids then Lesnar has rabies. It's one or the other. Normal people, even if fighting like that, do not foam at the mouth and 'bug out'. Also!@#! I just got off the phone with the local fake-n-bake place. I'll post the pics in about two weeks. I have no idea if Lesner is using them now. I just wanted to add that I have seen a lot of fights when I was growing up and some kids did just that, foam at the mouth and bug out hard. Of course they were not "Normal", but not on roids either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kutulu 1,676 Posted July 15, 2009 I have no idea if Lesner is using them now. I just wanted to add that I have seen a lot of fights when I was growing up and some kids did just that, foam at the mouth and bug out hard. Of course they were not "Normal", but not on roids either. #1 - The first rule of Fight Club is, you do not talk about Fight Club. #2 - The second rule of Fight Club is, you DO NOT talk about Fight Club. #3 - If someone says stop, goes limp, taps out, the fight is over. #4 - Two guys to a fight. #5 - One fight at a time. #6 - No shirts, no shoes. #7 - Fights will go on as long as they have to. #8 - If this is your first night at Fight Club, you have to fight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites