Frank M 181 Posted August 19, 2009 No matter their specific reasons, here are the facts: The $787 billion stimulus package that Congress passed in February doesn't seem to be having an effect, at least in the minds of a majority of adults polled by Gallup and USA Today. The poll out Monday shows 57 percent of adults say the stimulus is having no impact on the economy or making it worse. Worse still, only 18 percent say they see an improvement in their personal situation as a result of the massive federal spending program, and 60 percent say they doubt the economy will be aided by the package in the years ahead. You are smart enough to know that what the majority of the American public thinks about this means nothing, since the majority (vast majority, in fact) of the American public has no idea about how the economy works outside of swiping their credit card and getting the stuff they want. There is still disagreement from economists about whether the stimulus is having an effect or not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Greedo 13 Posted August 19, 2009 No, they are liberal republicans. Ain't NUTHING conservative about them. Also, the stimulus was supposed to insure that unemployment didn't get over 8%. What is it now? Closer to 10% everyday. Yeah, that's a failure in the majority of Americans minds. No matter their specific reasons, here are the facts: The $787 billion stimulus package that Congress passed in February doesn't seem to be having an effect, at least in the minds of a majority of adults polled by Gallup and USA Today. The poll out Monday shows 57 percent of adults say the stimulus is having no impact on the economy or making it worse. Worse still, only 18 percent say they see an improvement in their personal situation as a result of the massive federal spending program, and 60 percent say they doubt the economy will be aided by the package in the years ahead. Your poll doesn't address my statement, which is based on your own statement above, that 8% unemployment is the measure of the success of the stimulus. Nor did you address the other part of my statement regarding moderates. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
surferskin 31 Posted August 19, 2009 You are smart enough to know that what the majority of the American public thinks about this means nothing, since the majority (vast majority, in fact) of the American public has no idea about how the economy works outside of swiping their credit card and getting the stuff they want. There is still disagreement from economists about whether the stimulus is having an effect or not. No, I don't think what the majority of Americans means nothing. The question was asked if the stimulus money spent has any affect on their lives/business. It hasn't. You think people don't realize if it's working for them or not? I think they do. Also, the fact they were guaranteeing so many "shovel ready" projects and here we are and they've spent like 10% of the money. What was the focking point of this thing? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
surferskin 31 Posted August 19, 2009 Your poll doesn't address my statement, which is based on your own statement above, that 8% unemployment is the measure of the success of the stimulus. Nor did you address the other part of my statement regarding moderates. Is unemployment rising the sole reason people are viewing it as a failure? Prolly not but what's your point? Also, I'd stand by my statement that republican senators that voted for the stimulus are in NOWAY conservative. No matter what semantics game you want to get in is going to change that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DankNuggs 305 Posted August 19, 2009 People are idiots, if people has any concept of the economy, and capitalism in general, there would have been zero support for all this wasteful spending... Its only because fraud-pseudo republicans wasted alot of money, and it just so coinsided with a downturn in the economy that the 'grass is always greener' dems could use the tactic "republican moderate wasteful spending isn't the answer, we need liberl, open-the-flood-gates type spending to turn this economy around.. Completely the reverse of prudent economics... But clearly this about popularity and power, not about solutions Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
posty 2,822 Posted August 19, 2009 Highest ratings ever for Glenn Beck... http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/fnc/fo...week_124659.asp Last week we reported on Fox News Channel's primetime programs putting up huge numbers -- three nights in a row beating CNN, MSNBC, CNBC and HLN combined in both Total Viewers and the A25-54 demo. Well now the cable news rankings are out and Fox News was the second most-watched basic cable channel in primetime last week, only behind USA. FNC was 5th overall in Total Day viewership. MSNBC was 24th in primetime and 32nd in Total Day. CNN ranked 26th in prime and 23rd in Total Day. Meanwhile, "The Glenn Beck Program", which airs out of primetime at 5pmET, had its highest rated week ever among Households (1,907,000) and Total Viewers (2,409,000), and second best week in the A25-54 demo (682,000). Beck was #2 in his time period in both Total Viewers and the demo in all of cable last week, behind NICK, and beating his cable news competition combined in Total Viewers and the demo. Click here to see the rankings... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GobbleDog 1,010 Posted August 19, 2009 I've always thought Beck was borderline retarded. Seriously. He makes odd sounds and freaky facial expressions while talking. In any case, I can't stand listening to him and I'm a AM talk radio junky. He comes off as way too preachy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swamp dog 0 Posted August 20, 2009 Highest ratings ever for Glenn Beck... http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/fnc/fo...week_124659.asp Last week we reported on Fox News Channel's primetime programs putting up huge numbers -- three nights in a row beating CNN, MSNBC, CNBC and HLN combined in both Total Viewers and the A25-54 demo. Well now the cable news rankings are out and Fox News was the second most-watched basic cable channel in primetime last week, only behind USA. FNC was 5th overall in Total Day viewership. MSNBC was 24th in primetime and 32nd in Total Day. CNN ranked 26th in prime and 23rd in Total Day. Meanwhile, "The Glenn Beck Program", which airs out of primetime at 5pmET, had its highest rated week ever among Households (1,907,000) and Total Viewers (2,409,000), and second best week in the A25-54 demo (682,000). Beck was #2 in his time period in both Total Viewers and the demo in all of cable last week, behind NICK, and beating his cable news competition combined in Total Viewers and the demo. Click here to see the rankings... matters not if advertisers don't buy the time slot. and a lot of those people watching are people like me who like to point and laugh at the douche. everyone loves a good trainwreck. bill oreilly uses those hot blondes to boost his ratings as well. that they all get trampled by nickelodeon is all you need to know about america and its viewing habits. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gocolts 300 Posted August 20, 2009 matters not if advertisers don't buy the time slot. and a lot of those people watching are people like me who like to point and laugh at the douche. everyone loves a good trainwreck. bill oreilly uses those hot blondes to boost his ratings as well. that they all get trampled by nickelodeon is all you need to know about america and its viewing habits. However, if these ratings continue, other advertisers may come out of the wood work. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swamp dog 0 Posted August 20, 2009 However, if these ratings continue, other advertisers may come out of the wood work. he had ratings before these advertisers left. they'll only come back if he grovels on air and apologizes big time. there's more at stake for these advertisers than risking channeling their ads into a controversial time slot. ratings or no ratings. a bit of television history for you: hee haw was originally on prime-time tv back in the day and had high ratings--yet it got canceled (only to re-emerge in syndication format and be successful that way). why? despite the ratings not enough advertisers believed in the demographic watching the show as being "sellable" to their products. in other words, the show had good ratings but failed because it couldn't solicit enough consistent advertising revenue. whether these advertisers were right or wrong in their theory is immaterial to our discussion--it happened. for those reasons. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swamp dog 0 Posted August 20, 2009 ...and don't think for a moment bill oreilly and sean hannity haven't taken notice of this (or had it pointed out to them by their producers at fox). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
itsbigmoni 1 Posted August 20, 2009 It seems like surfer believes there's no such thing as a moderate. Either that, or his definition of a moderate is most peoples definition of a conservative. Also, the 8% unemployment thing is a lie. Obama never said unemployment wouldn't go over 8%. I think at the time of the stimulus package passing, unemployment was at lke 7.8%. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
surferskin 31 Posted August 20, 2009 It seems like surfer believes there's no such thing as a moderate. Either that, or his definition of a moderate is most peoples definition of a conservative. Also, the 8% unemployment thing is a lie. Obama never said unemployment wouldn't go over 8%. I think at the time of the stimulus package passing, unemployment was at lke 7.8%. You can say, moderate or liberal republican. All I'm saying is that Snowe, Specter & Collins are not conservatives. Moderate or otherwise. Also, you're WRONG. http://otrans.3cdn.net/45593e8ecbd339d074_l3m6bt1te.pdf Check out page 5. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Greedo 13 Posted August 20, 2009 However, if these ratings continue, other advertisers may come out of the wood work. Agreed! The KKK could buy some time, for example. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
surferskin 31 Posted August 20, 2009 Agreed! The KKK could buy some time, for example. Senator Bryd up for reelection? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
itsbigmoni 1 Posted August 21, 2009 You can say, moderate or liberal republican. All I'm saying is that Snowe, Specter & Collins are not conservatives. Moderate or otherwise. Also, you're WRONG. http://otrans.3cdn.net/45593e8ecbd339d074_l3m6bt1te.pdf Check out page 5. Find me a link that has an obama quote saying unemployment wont go over 8%. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davebg 0 Posted August 21, 2009 However, if these ratings continue, other advertisers may come out of the wood work. Well...let's take a look at which advertisers are taking advantage of his increased ratings. Apparently, it's pen|s enlargers and egg cookers. linky Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phillybear 366 Posted August 21, 2009 TV nowadays is very niche. In years past, it was geared to a mass audience. Now, with all of the cable channels available, you can cater to a smaller niche audience. As long as Beck pulls good ratings, there is zero chance he is taken off his station. Fox isn't going to start throwing its hosts under the bus as it starts a dangerous precedent for its own existence. It is sad that a few dopes can have such an influence on advertisers and in essence silence opposing point of views. Once you stop defending somebody else's opinion, in effect you are losing your voice as well. Sad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frank M 181 Posted August 21, 2009 TV nowadays is very niche. In years past, it was geared to a mass audience. Now, with all of the cable channels available, you can cater to a smaller niche audience. As long as Beck pulls good ratings, there is zero chance he is taken off his station. Fox isn't going to start throwing its hosts under the bus as it starts a dangerous precedent for its own existence. It is sad that a few dopes can have such an influence on advertisers and in essence silence opposing point of views. Once you stop defending somebody else's opinion, in effect you are losing your voice as well. Sad. What are you talking about? Is anyone silencing him? Last I heard, Glenn Beck is still on the air. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phillybear 366 Posted August 21, 2009 What are you talking about? Is anyone silencing him? Last I heard, Glenn Beck is still on the air. I should have specified that I was responding to swamp ass and his rants. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Greedo 13 Posted August 24, 2009 We're up to 33 advertisers that have either pulled ads, or have advised Fox not to air their ads during Beck's program. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GettnHuge 2 Posted August 24, 2009 We're up to 33 advertisers that have either pulled ads, or have advised Fox not to air their ads during Beck's program. That's their loss, Glenn dominates the competition and crushes them in the 25-54 demo. He gets 4x what Chris Matthews and each of the other networks get. He gets more in the 25-54 than other cable news networks are getting at the time overall. 5PM – P2+ (25-54) (35-64) Glenn Beck– 2,386,000 viewers (734,000) (1,228,000) Situation Room—636,000 viewers (99,000) (178,000) Hardball w/ Chris Matthews—536,000 viewers (120,000) (237,000) Fast Money—253,000 viewers (97,000) (142,000) Prime News–162,000 viewers (66,000) (75,000) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 5,497 Posted August 24, 2009 Senator Bryd up for reelection? Probably not. It's become a chore for him to get up out of bed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
surferskin 31 Posted August 24, 2009 Find me a link that has an obama quote saying unemployment wont go over 8%. Oh, so a official white house report isn't official enough for you? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Super Cubs 155 Posted August 24, 2009 There is a saying time heals all wounds. All Beck needs is time. As long as his show keeps doing good the advertisers will come back. I'm sure it will not take long and someone else will say or do something stupid and Beck will be forgotten. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GettnHuge 2 Posted August 24, 2009 Oh, so a official white house report isn't official enough for you? I'll look for a quote but for now... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31165217/ June 8 Obama initially offered his stimulus plan as a way to put people back to work, a promise that 3.5 million jobs would be saved or created. The administration's predictions that unemployment would rise no higher than 8 percent already have been shattered. even msnbc verifors it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gocolts 300 Posted August 25, 2009 I'll look for a quote but for now... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31165217/ June 8 Obama initially offered his stimulus plan as a way to put people back to work, a promise that 3.5 million jobs would be saved or created. The administration's predictions that unemployment would rise no higher than 8 percent already have been shattered. even msnbc verifors it Hell, I was sure that that question was a joke. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IAMWood 6 Posted August 25, 2009 You think the majority of America would disagree that conservative dems and liberal GOPers are moderates? You also think that the majority of America would agree that 8% max unemployment is the judge for the success of the stimulus? Stock market is up 48% from March low. That's what the stimulus is for right? I am employed, what do I care about unemployment. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swamp dog 0 Posted August 25, 2009 We're up to 33 advertisers that have either pulled ads, or have advised Fox not to air their ads during Beck's program. ...and we're now seeing some advertisers pull out of fox altogether (like ups). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GettnHuge 2 Posted August 25, 2009 ...and we're now seeing some advertisers pull out of fox altogether (like ups). 5PM – P2+ (25-54) (35-64) Glenn Beck– 2,810,000 viewers (776,000) (1,327,000) Situation Room—565,000 viewers (114,000) (196,000) Hardball w/ Chris Matthews—580,000 viewers (158,000) (242,000) Fast Money—225,000 viewers (67,000) (95,000) Prime News–313,000 viewers (141,000) (200,000) 8PM – P2+ (25-54) (35-64) The O’Reilly Factor– 3,440,000 viewers (916,000) (1,593,000) Campbell Brown- 560,000 viewers (166,000) (252,000) Countdown w/ K. Olbermann– 1,114,000 viewers (323,000) (521,000) Fastest Growing Companies – a scratch w/114 viewers (62,000) (79,000) Nancy Grace – 898,000 viewers (325,000) (474,000) 9 PM – P2+ (25-54) (35-64) Hannity –2,937,000 viewers (801,000) (1,426,000) Larry King Live—1,063,000 viewers (250,000) (485,000) Rachel Maddow Show—885,000 viewers (209,000) (368,000) Inside Track: Nascar – 130,000 viewers (67,000) (98,000) Issues- 464,000 viewers (143,000) (232,000) 10 PM P2+ (25-54) (35-64) On The Record w/ Greta Van Susteren—2,450,000 viewers (710,000) (1,214,000) Anderson Cooper 360—827,000 viewers (270,000) (440,000) Countdown w/ Keith Olbermann— 668,000 viewers (214,000) (295,000) American Original: Budweiser — 179,000 viewers (100,000) (108,000) Nancy Grace –538,000 viewers (242,000) (291,000) just getting embarrassing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Greedo 13 Posted August 25, 2009 Advertisers aren't pulling out due to # of viewers. No one accused the average American of being intelligent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swamp dog 0 Posted August 26, 2009 5PM – P2+ (25-54) (35-64)Glenn Beck– 2,810,000 viewers (776,000) (1,327,000) Situation Room—565,000 viewers (114,000) (196,000) Hardball w/ Chris Matthews—580,000 viewers (158,000) (242,000) Fast Money—225,000 viewers (67,000) (95,000) Prime News–313,000 viewers (141,000) (200,000) 8PM – P2+ (25-54) (35-64) The O’Reilly Factor– 3,440,000 viewers (916,000) (1,593,000) Campbell Brown- 560,000 viewers (166,000) (252,000) Countdown w/ K. Olbermann– 1,114,000 viewers (323,000) (521,000) Fastest Growing Companies – a scratch w/114 viewers (62,000) (79,000) Nancy Grace – 898,000 viewers (325,000) (474,000) 9 PM – P2+ (25-54) (35-64) Hannity –2,937,000 viewers (801,000) (1,426,000) Larry King Live—1,063,000 viewers (250,000) (485,000) Rachel Maddow Show—885,000 viewers (209,000) (368,000) Inside Track: Nascar – 130,000 viewers (67,000) (98,000) Issues- 464,000 viewers (143,000) (232,000) 10 PM P2+ (25-54) (35-64) On The Record w/ Greta Van Susteren—2,450,000 viewers (710,000) (1,214,000) Anderson Cooper 360—827,000 viewers (270,000) (440,000) Countdown w/ Keith Olbermann— 668,000 viewers (214,000) (295,000) American Original: Budweiser — 179,000 viewers (100,000) (108,000) Nancy Grace –538,000 viewers (242,000) (291,000) just getting embarrassing. 1) i watch fox now and again for the trainwreck effect. not all that watch fox are loyal followers. 2) the numbers show just how stupid and focked up this country truly is. 3) there's not much else to do in the sticks on a week night except watch fox or throw things off the bridge. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GettnHuge 2 Posted August 26, 2009 1) i watch fox now and again for the trainwreck effect. not all that watch fox are loyal followers. 2) the numbers show just how stupid and focked up this country truly is. 3) there's not much else to do in the sticks on a week night except watch fox or throw things off the bridge. let me get this str8... only stupid ppl watch fox... you watch fox... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gocolts 300 Posted August 26, 2009 let me get this str8... only stupid ppl watch fox... you watch fox... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swamp dog 0 Posted August 26, 2009 let me get this str8... only stupid ppl watch fox... you watch fox... i watch occasionally to point and laugh. the difference is the "fans" watch it and then go to townhall meetings with guns. fox counts everyone and calls it good. i can't watch even 3 seconds of hannity, though. can't do it. any longer than that and the tv would go through the window. the main difference i've seen in the demographics is that people on the left are much more likely to flip through channels (like i do) to see what everyone is saying. the paranoid right welds their tv antenna when they get a clear picture on fox and that's that. that's an aspect that isn't explained in the numbers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swamp dog 0 Posted August 26, 2009 yep. if you check where fox's big numbers are coming from, poor whites in the south make up a good portion of it. you know, the kind that rants about the government telling them their children have to go to school with blacks and such. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lackman 0 Posted August 26, 2009 yep. if you check where fox's big numbers are coming from, poor whites in the south make up a good portion of it. you know, the kind that rants about the government telling them their children have to go to school with blacks and such. I see that you hate poor people, white people, and Southern people. Clearly, you are a rasict, bigot, and a whoremonger. Awesome. :highfive: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
surferskin 31 Posted August 26, 2009 Since when can you get cable over an antenna? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OakHeadFootball 1 Posted August 26, 2009 i watch occasionally to point and laugh. the difference is the "fans" watch it and then go to townhall meetings with guns. fox counts everyone and calls it good. i can't watch even 3 seconds of hannity, though. can't do it. any longer than that and the tv would go through the window. the main difference i've seen in the demographics is that people on the left are much more likely to flip through channels (like i do) to see what everyone is saying. the paranoid right welds their tv antenna when they get a clear picture on fox and that's that. that's an aspect that isn't explained in the numbers Got a link to said demographic? That is quite a claim. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites