Parents @ my stepdaughter's school irate

[Hardcore troubadour 16,063]

3 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

What are you talking about? 

I already commented on the original post multiple times. Learn to read. 

Besides- you have no idea what I'd say in the other scenario. You just assume things. Also- opinions can change either way- further extreme or less extreme for everyone. 

Uh huh. The rest of us that have expressed the same sentiment were told we don’t know what we’re talking about blah blah. 

[Sean Mooney 2,062]

2 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Uh huh. The rest of us that have expressed the same sentiment were told we don’t know what we’re talking about blah blah. 

What are you babbling about at this point?

Remember when you were saying I was obsessed with you? I guess shoe is on the other foot now. 

[peenie 2,023]

I’m confused about why anyone would be mad at the teacher for telling the children the truth? 

[craftsman 1,045]

34 minutes ago, peenie said:

I’m confused about why anyone would be mad at the teacher for telling the children the truth? 

Different teachers have different truths than what parents know are truths. 

[peenie 2,023]

6 hours ago, craftsman said:

Different teachers have different truths than what parents know are truths. 

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/romney-supporter-wears-put-the-white-back-in-the-white-house-campaign-event-ohio_n_1963583

 Google racist Obama effigy.

 Lastly, Google “racist crowd high school game” and see what your innocent children are really like. I bet they’re a lot like their parents. 

[craftsman 1,045]

7 hours ago, peenie said:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/romney-supporter-wears-put-the-white-back-in-the-white-house-campaign-event-ohio_n_1963583

 Google racist Obama effigy.

 Lastly, Google “racist crowd high school game” and see what your innocent children are really like. I bet they’re a lot like their parents. 

I don't like Obama either.  He is a terrible person.  Set this country back a lot of years when it comes to race relations.

[peenie 2,023]

1 hour ago, craftsman said:

I don't like Obama either.  He is a terrible person.  Set this country back a lot of years when it comes to race relations.

I guess you didn’t read the article.

Obama and Trump helped reveal the truth of people’s hearts and minds. 

[craftsman 1,045]

15 minutes ago, peenie said:

I guess you didn’t read the article.

Obama and Trump helped reveal the truth of people’s hearts and minds. 

I read what you posted. What does Trump have to do with people not liking Obama? They didn't even mention Trump in that article you posted.

[peenie 2,023]

1 hour ago, craftsman said:

I read what you posted. What does Trump have to do with people not liking Obama? They didn't even mention Trump in that article you posted.

This thread was about…well, I only read 2 or 3 posts, but I assume it was about a substitute teacher who was teaching children that Obama’s race was one reason some people didn’t vote for him. I felt that the teacher was telling the truth so therefore it wasn’t an incorrect statement. I also posted an article that stated there were many instances where people showed through their actions that Obama’s race was a critical factor of why they didn’t like him. You stated that Obama set this country back in race relations and I feel that both Trump and Obama had an effect on race relations. I just believe they helped reveal how people already felt, not that they changed minds. 

[craftsman 1,045]

23 minutes ago, peenie said:

This thread was about…well, I only read 2 or 3 posts, but I assume it was about a substitute teacher who was teaching children that Obama’s race was one reason some people didn’t vote for him. I felt that the teacher was telling the truth so therefore it wasn’t an incorrect statement. I also posted an article that stated there were many instances where people showed through their actions that Obama’s race was a critical factor of why they didn’t like him. You stated that Obama set this country back in race relations and I feel that both Trump and Obama had an effect on race relations. I just believe they helped reveal how people already felt, not that they changed minds. 

Based on your post here, some teacher highighting specifically that some white people don't like black people and won't vote for them because of racism, and not mention that many black people don't like white people and prefer to vote for black people because they are racist is a complete swing and miss in their teaching methodology. 

Also, no mention of black people voting for candidates simply because of race is another swing and miss by the teacher.

Remember when Michelle Obama said after Obama was elected that it was the first time she was proud of this country throughout her whole life? You don't think that's all completely based on race?

[peenie 2,023]

10 minutes ago, craftsman said:

Based on your post here, some teacher highighting specifically that some white people don't like black people and won't vote for them because of racism, and not mention that many black people don't like white people and prefer to vote for black people because they are racist is a complete swing and miss in their teaching methodology. 

Also, no mention of black people voting for candidates simple because of race is another swing and miss by the teacher.

I think that is an excellent point. However, I think though that someone black voting for another black person based on shared identity, ideals and experiences is not racist. It is not the same as a person using racial epithets and making nooses and burning effigies and not voting for them. Black people don’t vote based on color alone or else simply having a black Republican would garner black votes.

[craftsman 1,045]

10 minutes ago, peenie said:

I think that is an excellent point. However, I think though that someone black voting for another black person based on shared identity, ideals and experiences is not racist. It is not the same as a person using racial epithets and making nooses and burning effigies and not voting for them. Black people don’t vote based on color alone or else simply having a black Republican would garner black votes.

I don't know how you could pretend to know what reasons every black person decides to choose their votes for black candidates.

Just like I don't know why every single white person voted against Obama voted against him.

How many white people do you personally know that are "making nooses and burning effigies"?

 

 

[Hardcore troubadour 16,063]

Race shouldn’t be brought up to young children unless they bring it up first.  And even then it shouid be a vague answer, such as everyone is equal and treat all with dignity and respect.  If a kid uses a racial slur correct them. Now open your math books.  

[peenie 2,023]

21 hours ago, craftsman said:

I don't know how you could pretend to know what reasons every black person decides to choose their votes for black candidates.

Just like I don't know why every single white person voted against Obama voted against him.

How many white people do you personally know that are "making nooses and burning effigies"?

 

 

But you are the one, not me, that wanted it to be mentioned that race was the reason that blacks voted for Obama. You do know that Obama was not the first nor last black person to run for President. Being black didn’t help Cory Booker or Shirley Chisholm. No, black voters didn’t tell me personally why they voted for Obama but the fact that he had 1 African parent (you seem to forget he is Biracial) doesn’t seem to motivate them to vote for anyone else for that reason. So his blackness alone could not be the reason. Obama was raised by his white mother and white grandparents. How many black Americans can identify with that? He grew up in Hawaii, how many blacks can identify with that? Maybe, just maybe, they voted for him for the same reasons white folks voted for him. 

The teacher said one reason people didn’t vote for him was due to his race and there is proof of it. It is not a lie. 

[peenie 2,023]

21 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Race shouldn’t be brought up to young children unless they bring it up first.  And even then it shouid be a vague answer, such as everyone is equal and treat all with dignity and respect.  If a kid uses a racial slur correct them. Now open your math books.  

Why? Do you believe children aren’t aware of race? 

[Hardcore troubadour 16,063]

2 minutes ago, peenie said:

Why? Do you believe children aren’t aware of race? 

I’m talking about small children.  There’s plenty of time for these discussions as they grow.  

[craftsman 1,045]

21 minutes ago, peenie said:

But you are the one, not me, that wanted it to be mentioned that race was the reason that blacks voted for Obama. You do know that Obama was not the first nor last black person to run for President. Being black didn’t help Cory Booker or Shirley Chisholm. No, black voters didn’t tell me personally why they voted for Obama but the fact that he had 1 African parent (you seem to forget he is Biracial) doesn’t seem to motivate them to vote for anyone else for that reason. So his blackness alone could not be the reason. Obama was raised by his white mother and white grandparents. How many black Americans can identify with that? He grew up in Hawaii, how many blacks can identify with that? Maybe, just maybe, they voted for him for the same reasons white folks voted for him. 

Doesn't matter who his parents are or who raised him. He is black and ran on a black agenda. 

I heard many people on network television and radio say it's time we have a black president. Then a few of the network send someone with a film crew into the streets to ask them who they are going to vote for and why. And many of the people said the same. They did this with Hillary too, and resounding answers from all of those women who were voting for her, said because it's about we have a woman president. Left leaning news hosts said the same thing. 

Now move on to Biden. He came flat out and said that he wanted a female vice president. He openly he would consider no one else. And to tell me Kamala Harris, the one to have had the least amount of democratic voter support in her bid for the white house, was the choice. Gee I wonder why?  

You know darn well that not everyone who votes pays attention to the candidate's agendas. So they either vote democrat or republican or in the primaries they vote for sex or race. It's a fact. 

[Sean Mooney 2,062]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I’m talking about small children.  There’s plenty of time for these discussions as they grow.  

You don't think small children are aware of race?

Here's something too- lots of small children talk about race in school. They bring it from home. 

[Hardcore troubadour 16,063]

5 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

You don't think small children are aware of race?

Here's something too- lots of small children talk about race in school. They bring it from home. 

That’s up to their parents what they discuss at home. Of course children can see differences. But discussion of the societal aspects of race is best reserved for when they get a little older.  Slavery and Jim Crow and the legacy of them are part of our history and need to be taught. I don’t think elementary school is the time for it. I was taught about it. But not in second grade. I know, im so unreasonable.

[TimHauck 3,458]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

That’s up to their parents what they discuss at home. Of course children can see differences. But discussion of the societal aspects of race is best reserved for when they get a little older.  Slavery and Jim Crow and the legacy of them are part of our history and need to be taught. I don’t think elementary school is the time for it. I was taught about it. But not in second grade. I know, im so unreasonable.

When is old enough?  The OP was talking about 4th grade, not 2nd

[Sean Mooney 2,062]

4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

That’s up to their parents what they discuss at home. Of course children can see differences. But discussion of the societal aspects of race is best reserved for when they get a little older.  Slavery and Jim Crow and the legacy of them are part of our history and need to be taught. I don’t think elementary school is the time for it. I was taught about it. But not in second grade. I know, im so unreasonable.

Guarantee it was brought up in 2nd grade. 

People complained less because there wasn't as much investment in breaking down the fundamental institutions in society. 

[Hardcore troubadour 16,063]

6 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

When is old enough?  The OP was talking about 4th grade, not 2nd

7-8th grade would be fine with me. What’s the rush? 

[TimHauck 3,458]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

7-8th grade would be fine with me. What’s the rush? 

Because they should be having discussions with a teacher and not just being brainwashed by their parents (which happens on both sides)

[Hardcore troubadour 16,063]

4 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Guarantee it was brought up in 2nd grade. 

People complained less because there wasn't as much investment in breaking down the fundamental institutions in society. 

 No it wasn’t. Not in second. It might have been 5th, mostly because everyone in the country was watching Roots. But Nobody was blaming anyone, which has really become the issue. 

[Hardcore troubadour 16,063]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Because they should be having discussions with a teacher and not just being brainwashed by their parents (which happens on both sides)

Yeah, so many parents are out there telling their kids to be racist. It needs to be counteracted. 

[Baker Boy 1,711]

9 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Because they should be having discussions with a teacher and not just being brainwashed by their parents (which happens on both sides)

 

 

 

[TimHauck 3,458]

7 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yeah, so many parents are out there telling their kids to be racist. It needs to be counteracted. 

They’re not necessarily telling them to be racist, but the kids are just following their example (again, not just one group this happens with)

[Sean Mooney 2,062]

12 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Because they should be having discussions with a teacher and not just being brainwashed by their parents (which happens on both sides)

And any good teacher would present both sides of an issue anyway

11 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

 No it wasn’t. Not in second. It might have been 5th, mostly because everyone in the country was watching Roots. But Nobody was blaming anyone, which has really become the issue. 

And which side is primarily blaming teachers?

11 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yeah, so many parents are out there telling their kids to be racist. It needs to be counteracted. 

Depends on the district and area....but there are definitely areas that are far more "racist leaning" than others. And TBF- yes there are areas that are far more "racial virtue signaling" than others. 

[MDC 8,119]

19 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

When is old enough?  The OP was talking about 4th grade, not 2nd

I can’t remember if it was 3rd or 4th grade. Tbh I didn’t remember this story at all until it was bumped. It’s been 13 years.

I don’t have a problem with bringing up slavery, Jim Crow etc. even with kids this young. That’s settled history. Bringing up racism with 3-4 graders within the context of current events was my issue. Kids that age are too young to make sense of it and I don’t think it’s fair to parents for teachers to give kids that age their spin. I vaguely remember disliking this teacher for a variety of reasons so that probably colored my perception of events.

I don’t think bring up race in any context is CRT so this thread isn’t the dunk HT hoped. But at least he got several days of slap fights attention. 

 

[Hardcore troubadour 16,063]

1 minute ago, Sean Mooney said:

And any good teacher would present both sides of an issue anyway

And which side is primarily blaming teachers?

Depends on the district and area....but there are definitely areas that are far more "racist leaning" than others. 

You can always find an excuse if you look. But lets not apply the rare to the whole. We don’t do that in most aspects of life. 

[Hardcore troubadour 16,063]

1 minute ago, MDC said:

I can’t remember if it was 3rd or 4th grade. Tbh I didn’t remember this story at all until it was bumped. It’s been 13 years.

I don’t have a problem with bringing up slavery, Jim Crow etc. even with kids this young. That’s settled history. Bringing up racism with 3-4 graders within the context of current events was my issue. Kids that age are too young to make sense of it and I don’t think it’s fair to parents for teachers to give kids that age their spin. I vaguely remember disliking this teacher for a variety of reasons so that probably colored my perception of events.

I don’t think bring up race in any context is CRT so this thread isn’t the dunk HT hoped. But at least he got several days of slap fights attention. 

 

Yeah, you look great here. Glad I could help. 

[Reality 3,139]

59 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yeah, you look great here. Glad I could help. 

This thread just keeps on giving, what a beauty.

Once again, well done.

[MDC 8,119]

On 9/28/2022 at 10:28 PM, Voltaire said:

MDC had the right idea in 2009. The gotcha moment would be better served with a link to him recently saying the exact opposite.

We’re still waiting.  

[TimHauck 3,458]

1 hour ago, MDC said:

We’re still waiting.  

Were you even talking about something related that day?  Seems oddly random and stalker-ish if not 

[MDC 8,119]

11 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Were you even talking about something related that day?  Seems oddly random and stalker-ish if not 

No. HT just needs attention and doesn’t care how he gets it.

[Sean Mooney 2,062]

3 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

You can always find an excuse if you look. But lets not apply the rare to the whole. We don’t do that in most aspects of life. 

So you think it's wrong to blame all teachers because a few dopes say things on Snapchat/Instagram/Twitter?

Good to know

[Hardcore troubadour 16,063]

38 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

So you think it's wrong to blame all teachers because a few dopes say things on Snapchat/Instagram/Twitter?

Good to know

 

51 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Were you even talking about something related that day?  Seems oddly random and stalker-ish if not 

Yes he was. And this post here shows how much of a troll/ hypocrite he is. Shocked a mouth breathing moron like you can’t just read what I wrote when I quoted it.  I’m also glad to see how much it bothers him. He won’t stop whining. 

[TimHauck 3,458]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

 

Yes he was. And this post here shows how much it troll/ hypocrite he is. Shocked a mouth breathing moron like you can’t just read what I wrote when I quoted it.  

Which thread?

[Hardcore troubadour 16,063]

5 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Which thread?

Why do you care so much? Halftime is over. GFY loser. 

[Sean Mooney 2,062]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

 

Yes he was. And this post here shows how much of a troll/ hypocrite he is. Shocked a mouth breathing moron like you can’t just read what I wrote when I quoted it.  I’m also glad to see how much it bothers him. He won’t stop whining. 

HOw was this a response to what I said?