Good job, Mississippi

[FeelingMN 273]

Sorry, but jets has done an admirable job of defending his position here. Why should polygamism, or pig focking, be treated different than homosexuality? From a liberterian perspective, they are all consenting adults (or animals whom we presume they have a bond with).

 

Is there a rule that states polygamists cannot bring all their dates to the prom? If so, then we'll tackle that one. But as the issue stands right now, the school made a policy directly impacting gay students....not students who want to bring their pets...not polygamists....not anyone else. Why make this any harder than it has to be? Why is it so hard to stay on topic?

 

Just to play along though....isn't there punishment for polygamy or pig focking? Don't you go to jail...or pay a fine...or something if you're caught doing one of those things? Seems to me, society has declared those things to be major offenses. Homosexuality is not a crime like your other two examples. It is a state of being that is discriminated against. And there's your difference.

[Birdseed 1]

A federal court should be forcing the school to put the prom back on any day, now.

 

[jets24 6]

Is there a rule that states polygamists cannot bring all their dates to the prom? If so, then we'll tackle that one. But as the issue stands right now, the school made a policy directly impacting gay students....not students who want to bring their pets...not polygamists....not anyone else. Why make this any harder than it has to be? Why is it so hard to stay on topic?

 

Just to play along though....isn't there punishment for polygamy or pig focking? Don't you go to jail...or pay a fine...or something if you're caught doing one of those things? Seems to me, society has declared those things to be major offenses. Homosexuality is not a crime like your other two examples. It is a state of being that is discriminated against. And there's your difference.

 

Nobody other than Newbie has mentioned "pig focking". Students may only bring one student of the opposite sex to the prom. So, yes they (people who wish to bring more than one date) currently are being discriminated against. I am staying directly on topic. I'm saying that if you change the rule for one person because of a type of behavior, then be prepared to change it for every other reason that comes up. Dating two people is not a crime. Nor is it a crime for a boy to wear a dress but he can't do that at the prom. But we should make an exception and let the girl wear a tux? How is that not reverse discrimination?

[NewbieJr 541]

Nobody other than Newbie has mentioned "pig focking". Students may only bring one student of the opposite sex to the prom. So, yes they (people who wish to bring more than one date) currently are being discriminated against. I am staying directly on topic. I'm saying that if you change the rule for one person because of a type of behavior, then be prepared to change it for every other reason that comes up. Dating two people is not a crime. Nor is it a crime for a boy to wear a dress but he can't do that at the prom. But we should make an exception and let the girl wear a tux? How is that not reverse discrimination?

So the girl-wearing-a-tux thing is your issue? Or is it a gay woman wanting to bring her girlfriend?

[Recliner Pilot 61]

If two straight chicks can't get dates because they are fugly and try to go together they would be turned away. Rule is the same for gays and straight people.

 

So where is the discrimination again?

[NewbieJr 541]

Is there a rule that states polygamists cannot bring all their dates to the prom? If so, then we'll tackle that one. But as the issue stands right now, the school made a policy directly impacting gay students....not students who want to bring their pets...not polygamists....not anyone else. Why make this any harder than it has to be? Why is it so hard to stay on topic?

 

Just to play along though....isn't there punishment for polygamy or pig focking? Don't you go to jail...or pay a fine...or something if you're caught doing one of those things? Seems to me, society has declared those things to be major offenses. Homosexuality is not a crime like your other two examples. It is a state of being that is discriminated against. And there's your difference.

Because they bible-thumpers with antiquated belief systems want to compare two gay people loving each other with any other sadistic or evil thing they can think of. That's their 'shtick'. It's the only way they can rationalize a totally irrational stance on an issue like this.

[Frank M 181]

So the girl-wearing-a-tux thing is your issue? Or is it a gay woman wanting to bring her girlfriend?

 

 

It's the gay woman thing for everyone on that side of the issue. The tux is a smokescreen they're all standing behind.

[NewbieJr 541]

It's the gay woman thing for everyone on that side of the issue. The tux is a smokescreen they're all standing behind.

I know. Just wanted to see him trip all over himself with an answer.

[FeelingMN 273]

Nobody other than Newbie has mentioned "pig focking". Students may only bring one student of the opposite sex to the prom. So, yes they (people who wish to bring more than one date) currently are being discriminated against. I am staying directly on topic. I'm saying that if you change the rule for one person because of a type of behavior, then be prepared to change it for every other reason that comes up. Dating two people is not a crime. Nor is it a crime for a boy to wear a dress but he can't do that at the prom. But we should make an exception and let the girl wear a tux? How is that not reverse discrimination?

 

But something you're overlooking is the evidence which seems to suggest that gay people are indeed born that way, and that their brains process stimuli in much the same manner as members of the opposite sex. So the reason a gay dude acts like a sally is because his brain and sally's brain are actually pretty similar with regard to sexuality. It's who he is....not what he does.

 

All your other examples are simply overt behaviors. There is no evidence that suggests that is who they are, biologically speaking.

[NewbieJr 541]

But something you're overlooking is the evidence which seems to suggest that gay people are indeed born that way, and that their brains process stimuli in much the same manner as members of the opposite sex. So the reason a gay dude acts like a sally is because his brain and sally's brain are actually pretty similar with regard to sexuality. It's who he is....not what he does.

 

All your other examples are simply overt behaviors. There is no evidence that suggests that is who they are, biologically speaking.

Good luck talking tha cave men into that one.

[FeelingMN 273]

If two straight chicks can't get dates because they are fugly and try to go together they would be turned away. Rule is the same for gays and straight people.

 

So where is the discrimination again?

 

But isn't this a condition of circumstance than anything else. Two girls couldn't find dates, so they can't go. But if they found dates, they could go (circumstance).

 

In the lesbian's case, she can't go with a date.....unless she lies about who she is. It's not circumstantial, it impacts her very identity.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

If two straight chicks can't get dates because they are fugly and try to go together they would be turned away. Rule is the same for gays and straight people.

 

So where is the discrimination again?

 

 

Bump

 

much like your lesbian, these poor girls were born fugly......they didn't decide to be fugly.

[FeelingMN 273]

Bump

 

much like your lesbian, these poor girls were born fugly......they didn't decide to be fugly.

 

But they could have gotten dates....just like the lesbian has.

 

If you want to say it's discrmination, then say it's discrimination...but it's on different grounds.

 

Fugly girls don't have dates. This is a condition of circumstance.

 

Lesbian has a date, but cannot attend with that date due to the rule. This is a condition of constitution. (Not THE Constitution)

 

Also, presumably, fugly girls get dates. The two girls in your example are the only two fugly girls in school? Fail.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

But they could have gotten dates....just like the lesbian has.

 

If you want to say it's discrmination, then say it's discrimination...but it's on different grounds.

 

Fugly girls don't have dates. This is a condition of circumstance.

 

Lesbian has a date, but cannot attend with that date due to the rule. This is a condition of constitution. (Not THE Constitution)

 

Also, presumably, fugly girls get dates. The two girls in your example are the only two fugly girls in school? Fail.

 

 

These fugly girls want to go as each other's date, but can't.

[remote controller 143]

10 pages later, can't we just agree that beautiful Bi girls are just fine, but ugly lezbos and gay guys just need to go?

[FeelingMN 273]

These fugly girls want to go as each other's date, but can't.

 

Well they can't...because of the stupid rule. If anything, you're drawing attention to just how dumb this rule is.

 

But you're off the mark in trying to prove whatever point you think you're trying to make. Discrimination isn't against individuals per se, it's against a class of invidividual....a particular category. In this case, the school policy discriminates against gays because, by nature, they date persons of the same sex.

 

Your example only flies if all fugly girls had to attend prom with one another. Presumably this is not the case. Therefore they're just innocent bystanders who got caught in the crossfire of a stupid rule. But that's how hate operates sometimes.

[BunnysBastatrds 2,716]

http://www.clarionledger.com/article/20100...n+gay+prom+case

 

 

U.S. District Court Judge Glen Davidson has set a hearing for Monday in Aberdeen to determine whether to reserve the Itawamba County School Board's decision last week to cancel a high school prom after a student challenged the board’s prohibition on same-sex dates

 

 

 

Check out the youtube video from the AP on the right. She's fat and ugly.

[remote controller 143]

http://www.clarionledger.com/article/20100...n+gay+prom+case

 

 

U.S. District Court Judge Glen Davidson has set a hearing for Monday in Aberdeen to determine whether to reserve the Itawamba County School Board's decision last week to cancel a high school prom after a student challenged the board’s prohibition on same-sex dates

Check out the youtube video from the AP on the right. She's fat and ugly.

 

 

Aberdeen SD, Home of the Super 8!!! Buy'em a room and they will drop it!

[jerryskids 7,214]

But something you're overlooking is the evidence which seems to suggest that gay people are indeed born that way, and that their brains process stimuli in much the same manner as members of the opposite sex. So the reason a gay dude acts like a sally is because his brain and sally's brain are actually pretty similar with regard to sexuality. It's who he is....not what he does.

 

All your other examples are simply overt behaviors. There is no evidence that suggests that is who they are, biologically speaking.

I thought we agreed to not get into a link war on "evidence." Anyway, you seem dadgum determined to deem all ghey people are "born that way," let's go with that. I'm confident that I could find similar evidence to corroborate child molestors. Is it OK for them to exhibit that behavior?

[Recliner Pilot 61]

What you fukktards have failed to comprehend is that this is a RULE by a local School District, not a law. Every school my kids have attended has had a dress code, and several other rules that would be out of line in the adult world.

 

Should the ACLU sue over all those rules?

 

This one represents the local community's values.

 

Hell, I went to San Francisco last spring and they held the "Bay to Breakers" run while I was there. I watched some of it. Massive nudity running thru the streets of San Fran (most of which should only have been nude behind closed doors) ...............should I have asked the ACLU to sue San Fran because I might not agree with such public nudity? Hell no, that's is representative of the local values.

 

Deal with it fukktards, this LOCAL community has certain values they want to present to the children of that community.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Well they can't...because of the stupid rule.

 

Kinda blows your "It's discrimination against gays" argument out of the water, doesn't it.

 

[Me_2006 14]

Again, no one can bring a same-sex date. The same rules apply to everyone. That isn't discrimination. Now, if they said no gheys at prom, that would be discrimination. Or only the ghey kids have to bring someone of the opposite sex, that would be discrimination. But a rule that applies to everyone, while it's a retarded rule, is not discrimination.

[gocolts 300]

But isn't this a condition of circumstance than anything else. Two girls couldn't find dates, so they can't go. But if they found dates, they could go (circumstance).

 

In the lesbian's case, she can't go with a date.....unless she lies about who she is. It's not circumstantial, it impacts her very identity.

Maybe that's part of the problem. Our thoughts that come from between our legs shouldn't be our very identity.

[Chronic Husker 86]

The school can do whatever the fock it wants. You think the ACLU is gonna get involved with that one?

 

 

Before, you were whining that the ACLU had too much money and that's why the school would cave in this case.

You care to address this, jets?

 

[Chronic Husker 86]

Holy Repetition Batman! How many times are you going to spout this GOP crap? Instead of spewing this venom, why not offer a cohesive thought to the discussion?

Every time I've brought it up has been in response to the dumbass talking points you learned on Fox News.

 

You know the ACLU isn't going to get involved when a pig focker tries to bring his pig to the prom so you might as well go back to your whiny ass argument that the ACLU has too much money and that's why the school is going to be forced to hold the prom and let the girl bring her female date.

 

[jets24 6]

Every time I've brought it up has been in response to the dumbass talking points you learned on Fox News.

 

You know the ACLU isn't going to get involved when a pig focker tries to bring his pig to the prom so you might as well go back to your whiny ass argument that the ACLU has too much money and that's why the school is going to be forced to hold the prom and let the girl bring her female date.

 

 

You're making less sense every day. The ACLU came to the defense of NAMBLA for crying out loud!

 

But stick with the same old bible belt, GOP, god fearing hate mongers that you continue to throw out. It's really starting to sink in after 40 posts from you about it.

[jets24 6]

You care to address this, jets?

 

 

Buddy boy....I would address whatever you would like me to address......as soon as I understand what you are saying. Does anybody here have an English to Chronic dictionary that I can borrow? Did you even read your post? What do you wish for me to address?

[Chronic Husker 86]

Buddy boy....I would address whatever you would like me to address......as soon as I understand what you are saying. Does anybody here have an English to Chronic dictionary that I can borrow? Did you even read your post? What do you wish for me to address?

You asked what should the school do if she brought two girls next year (using the polygamy angle again - surprise, surprise).

 

 

My contention was that the ACLU would not get involved in that and that the school could enforce whatever rule they wished, it's just this anti-gay rule that has the ACLU in action.

 

If you can find me a case where the ACLU has supported a polygamist in a high school prom case or someone who wanted to bring their pig (or other favorite farm animal), I'll be more than happy to listen.

 

Until you do that, do you think you can find yourself capable and sticking with the topic of a girl that wants to bring her girlfriend to prom? (Seeing the fact that there are cases out there of the ACLU backing someone that wanted to bring their same-sex mate.)

 

[jets24 6]

You asked what should the school do if she brought two girls next year (using the polygamy angle again - surprise, surprise).

 

 

My contention was that the ACLU would not get involved in that and that the school could enforce whatever rule they wished, it's just this anti-gay rule that has the ACLU in action.

 

If you can find me a case where the ACLU has supported a polygamist in a high school prom case or someone who wanted to bring their pig (or other favorite farm animal), I'll be more than happy to listen.

 

Until you do that, do you think you can find yourself capable and sticking with the topic of a girl that wants to bring her girlfriend to prom? (Seeing the fact that there are cases out there of the ACLU backing someone that wanted to bring their same-sex mate.)

 

 

If that were the case, we wouldn't be having a discussion now here would we?

 

So, your point is that the ACLU wouldn't defend a polygamist but it would a member of NAMBLA? Huh.

[GobbleDog 1,020]

I usually appreciate the ACLU fighting for our rights (even the weird cases like flag burning and crap). I'm even in favor a gays being allowed to legally marry. But I'm not too keen about gays adopting, at least not before credible long-term studies prove it's not detrimental to kids. Like I think it is. The ACLU shouldn't be fighting that fight IMO.

 

[jets24 6]

You asked what should the school do if she brought two girls next year (using the polygamy angle again - surprise, surprise).

 

 

My contention was that the ACLU would not get involved in that and that the school could enforce whatever rule they wished, it's just this anti-gay rule that has the ACLU in action.

 

If you can find me a case where the ACLU has supported a polygamist in a high school prom case or someone who wanted to bring their pig (or other favorite farm animal), I'll be more than happy to listen.

 

Until you do that, do you think you can find yourself capable and sticking with the topic of a girl that wants to bring her girlfriend to prom? (Seeing the fact that there are cases out there of the ACLU backing someone that wanted to bring their same-sex mate.)

 

 

 

 

ACLU defends polygamy

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Legal group backs 'freedom of choice'

Posted: June 25, 2005

1:00 am Eastern

 

© 2010 WorldNetDaily.com

 

 

 

The president of the American Civil Liberties Union says polygamy is among the "fundamental rights" that her organization will continue to defend. During a question-and-answer session after a speech at Yale University, ACLU president Nadine Strossen stated that her organization has "defended the right of individuals to engage in polygamy," reported AgapePress, noting that the comments cited by the Yale Daily News received little attention.

[Chronic Husker 86]

If that were the case, we wouldn't be having a discussion now here would we?

 

So, your point is that the ACLU wouldn't defend a polygamist but it would a member of NAMBLA? Huh.

Where have they ever defended a polygamist?We're talking about prom here, jets. I'm pointing out that the ACLU has a history of defending same sex couples in prom cases. One would think you could stick to similar cases if you were trying to make a point.

 

If you have any points to make about this prom case, go ahead and make them.

 

It's patently clear you're unwilling to stay on topic on are simply intent on spewing nonsense talking points.

[Chronic Husker 86]

ACLU defends polygamy

[/color][/font]

Legal group backs 'freedom of choice'

Posted: June 25, 2005

1:00 am Eastern

 

© 2010 WorldNetDaily.com

 

 

 

The president of the American Civil Liberties Union says polygamy is among the "fundamental rights" that her organization will continue to defend. During a question-and-answer session after a speech at Yale University, ACLU president Nadine Strossen stated that her organization has "defended the right of individuals to engage in polygamy," reported AgapePress, noting that the comments cited by the Yale Daily News received little attention.

OK. That's fine with me, too. As long as they're consenting adults why do you give a fock?

[FeelingMN 273]

I thought we agreed to not get into a link war on "evidence." Anyway, you seem dadgum determined to deem all ghey people are "born that way," let's go with that. I'm confident that I could find similar evidence to corroborate child molestors. Is it OK for them to exhibit that behavior?

 

Huh? Child molesters are thrown in jail. Gays aren't. They don't hurt anyone with their behavior. What's your point?

 

And I haven't linked anything in this thread. It's just knowledge that I get from reading and thinking.

 

Just ask yourself this: if gays choose that lifestyle, why the fock would they do it? Especially in Mississippi? Doesn't seem like the most prestigous label, and yet some people are gay? And if it's a choice, why is it just a choice for them? I never chose between guys and girls.....I've always dug the chicks. From what I've heard, gays folks have always liked members of the same sex. So I just assume that their sexual development mirrored my own...they just happened to like dudes instead of girls. Seems pretty logical to me....unless you foster some irrational prejudice.

 

And if you do...hey that's cool whatever. Just admit it.

 

Kinda blows your "It's discrimination against gays" argument out of the water, doesn't it.

 

 

Not at all. All gays cannot bring their boyfriend/girlfriend to prom. They are the only group that can make that distinction. Not all fugly girls. Not all fat dudes.

 

Gays are the only group with which the policy is all inclusive. Any one else affected by the policy are just individuals. Presumably members of the same group could still attend in a normal fashion. Gays are the only group by which the rule asks them to adjust their normal behavior.

 

Sounds like discrimination to me....unless you can point out another group affected by the policy rather than random individuals affected by the rule through circumstance.

 

Again, no one can bring a same-sex date. The same rules apply to everyone. That isn't discrimination. Now, if they said no gheys at prom, that would be discrimination. Or only the ghey kids have to bring someone of the opposite sex, that would be discrimination. But a rule that applies to everyone, while it's a retarded rule, is not discrimination.

 

So you'd be cool with the school instituting a same-race date? Blacks with blacks, whites with whites.....the same rule applies to everyone....unless your boyfriend/girlfriend is a different color. But who cares, just find someone like you and you can still go.

 

Would you be fine with this?

 

Maybe that's part of the problem. Our thoughts that come from between our legs shouldn't be our very identity.

 

The fact that I'm a heterosexual male is one of the foundations of my identity. It's not like I trumpet it every second of my existence.....but I will check out any hot blonde within 100 feet of me. I assume most guys are like this.

 

Humans are sexual beings. That doesn't mean we go around raping and womanizing. It means we're attracted to other people and we adjust our behavior to impress them. All of us do this.

 

So the problem gocolts isn't that sex composes our self-identity. It's the fact that so many of us repress those thoughts instead of dealing with them in a mature, responsible manner that causes so much trouble.

[jets24 6]

Where have they ever defended a polygamist?We're talking about prom here, jets. I'm pointing out that the ACLU has a history of defending same sex couples in prom cases. One would think you could stick to similar cases if you were trying to make a point.

 

If you have any points to make about this prom case, go ahead and make them.

 

It's patently clear you're unwilling to stay on topic on are simply intent on spewing nonsense talking points.

 

Here: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=...K6OhZVK7W9g8-yg

 

and many more places.

 

 

I have made many points about this prom case. My point is that it's a slippery slope. You continue to make nasty remarks and fail to give any type of comprehensive thought to the subject. Go back and read how many posts you actually make sense and how many posts you just enjoy picking on others who don't share the same thought as you.

[Chronic Husker 86]

OK. That's fine with me, too. As long as they're consenting adults why do you give a fock?

[BunnysBastatrds 2,716]

 

 

The better question is, why do you give a fawk? You haven't attempted to answer my original question of don't ask and don't tell! The Army does it. Obama loves it. Why don't you???? People like you can't answer that for a good reason. It doesn't fit in your convenient argument? A Mississippi lesbo want's to shock the world with her convenient argument to tell the mainstream why the rest of us are wrong? And dooshbags like you tell us why she is right? I was behind her before I was in front of her! If you ask me, I don't fawking care what she does. As long as she complies with the laws of a given state! Or at least complies with the laws or attempted regulations of the school board. You want to bring up Civil Rights Laws from the 60"s? You have NO IDEA WHAT CIVIL LAW was here! Throw out your history books sweetheart!

 

Is there anyone who is willing to back me up here? History has been forgotten! And dilluted to remember the past dumbasses!!! I'm guessing most of you still believe the Civil War was fought over slaves? The Industrial Revolution has no bearing on how the south handled their problems??? Forcing the south to stay a farmers world? While the north industrialized?

 

Call me crazy! But the sum total of most in here is the total equivellant of a can of pees!

[Chronic Husker 86]

Holy crap, it's like Bizarro southerner BLS.

[BunnysBastatrds 2,716]

Holy crap, it's like Bizarro southerner BLS.

 

 

Answer the question Alice. Do we or do we not live in a "dont ask don't tell world?" when it comes to homos? Not pretend world. Pretty simple! This question is really easy to answer.

[NewbieJr 541]

The better question is, why do you give a fawk? You haven't attempted to answer my original question of don't ask and don't tell! The Army does it. Obama loves it. Why don't you???? People like you can't answer that for a good reason. It doesn't fit in your convenient argument? A Mississippi lesbo want's to shock the world with her convenient argument to tell the mainstream why the rest of us are wrong? And dooshbags like you tell us why she is right? I was behind her before I was in front of her! If you ask me, I don't fawking care what she does. As long as she complies with the laws of a given state! Or at least complies with the laws or attempted regulations of the school board. You want to bring up Civil Rights Laws from the 60"s? You have NO IDEA WHAT CIVIL LAW was here! Throw out your history books sweetheart!

 

Is there anyone who is willing to back me up here? History has been forgotten! And dilluted to remember the past dumbasses!!! I'm guessing most of you still believe the Civil War was fought over slaves? The Industrial Revolution has no bearing on how the south handled their problems??? Forcing the south to stay a farmers world? While the north industrialized?

 

Call me crazy! But the sum total of most in here is the total equivellant of a can of pees!

So, are you saing that the school was right in not allowing two girls to come to the prom together? And , more importantly, are you defending their move to cancel the whole thing and penalize the entire student body?