I have seen the future of the NFL

[Big_Pete 0]

Tebow at rookie minicamp

[phillybear 366]

Tebow was vastly overrated in college, and is an paperweight in the NFL. Just taking up a roster spot. He can't throw to the right side of the field. How long will it take defenses to figure that out?

 

He's like Kordell Stewart, but with less talent, and more gay.

[WhiteWonder 2,858]

pass rushers must be salivating at how exposed that football is.

[Vikings4ever 568]

and more gay.

That's saying a LOT.

 

Remember Crydell? :insertcryingsmiliehere:

[surferskin 30]

Tebow was vastly overrated in college, and is an paperweight in the NFL. Just taking up a roster spot. He can't throw to the right side of the field. How long will it take defenses to figure that out?

 

He's like Kordell Stewart, but with less talent, and more gay.

What do you know about college QB's? All we used to ever hear from you was, "Colt Brennan..Colt Brennan...Colt Brennan.". Well, Colt Brennan couldn't even beat out Jason Campbell or Todd focking Collins for a job. Shiat...he almost got cut last year because Chase Daniel was whipping his ass in the pre-season. I'll be shocked if he makes the team this season.

[Big_Pete 0]

pass rushers must be salivating at how exposed that football is.

Yeah they must. It would be a shame if his throwing motion produced the same passing stats as this hack. Click here if you didn't already.

That's an awfully exposed football. Defenders surely caused him to fumble a million times last year.

[surferskin 30]

Yeah they must. It would be a shame if his throwing motion produced the same passing stats as this hack. Click here if you didn't already.

That's an awfully exposed football. Defenders surely caused him to fumble a million times last year.

Hmmm...that is pretty damn similar.

[Big_Pete 0]

Hmmm...that is pretty damn similar.

[phillybear 366]

What do you know about college QB's? All we used to ever hear from you was, "Colt Brennan..Colt Brennan...Colt Brennan.". Well, Colt Brennan couldn't even beat out Jason Campbell or Todd focking Collins for a job. Shiat...he almost got cut last year because Chase Daniel was whipping his ass in the pre-season. I'll be shocked if he makes the team this season.

 

Colt Brennan was a much better college QB than Tebow.

 

Brennan needs to find the right coach and system. Washington isn't it, and I said it when he was drafted. He's the next Whitehurst. :hyper:

[surferskin 30]

He's the next Whitehurst. :hyper:

Gawd, I hope so. I'd love to trade our #3 QB to some sucker team like the seahags.

[WhiteWonder 2,858]

Yeah they must. It would be a shame if his throwing motion produced the same passing stats as this hack. Click here if you didn't already.

That's an awfully exposed football. Defenders surely caused him to fumble a million times last year.

 

but even you know that Tebow's release isnt anywhere near as quick as Brees, or most starting NFL qb's for that matter

[phillybear 366]

Gawd, I hope so. I'd love to trade our #3 QB to some sucker team like the seahags.

 

You just traded your STARTING QB for a bag of dirty socks, and acquired an old guy that throws the ball at the WR's socks.

 

:sadbanana:

[Big_Pete 0]

but even you know that Tebow's release isnt anywhere near as quick as Brees, or most starting NFL qb's for that matter

Sure, there are some QBs with very above average release times, but I'd say that Tebow, because of his retooled starting point is at minimum NFL average for release time. I know sports science did a piece on him, but ESPN's video of it isn't working at the moment.

[Riddlen 1]

dont get too happy. the problem with tebows delivery has always been arm slot and quickness, not where the motion starts. for whats is worth, his delivery problems are prolly overrated, but comparing the initial instance of his throwing motion to drew brees is stupid and meaningless

[Big_Pete 0]

dont get too happy there slapdick. the problem with tebows delivery has always been arm slot and quickness, not where the motion starts. for whats is worth, his delivery problems are prolly overrated, but comparing the initial instance of his throwing motion to drew brees is stupid and meaningless

Wrong.

I put that picture of Brees up because phillybear commented on the "exposed" football. Well, it is no more exposed than Drew Brees's throwing motion, and that's worked out fine for him.

[Raider 84 29]

Once Tebow retires from the NFL

 

 

TEBOW 4 President!!!!!!!!!!

[WhiteWonder 2,858]

Wrong.

I put that picture of Brees up because phillybear commented on the "exposed" football. Well, it is no more exposed than Drew Brees's throwing motion, and that's worked out fine for him.

 

it was actually me who commented on that.

 

also i would have commented further that one picture of drew brees winding up doesn't mean he has the same throwing motion as Tim Tebow. isnt Tebow notorious for a slow, loopy windup?

 

watch some video of Brees, he doesn't usually do that. But im sure most NFL QB's do every now and then when they are uncorking a deep ball.

 

and for what its worth I think Tebow has the heart and drive to prove alot of critics wrong. but you gotta take off the homer goggles for a second and realize he is not ready to be a starter in the NFL and was a serious reach at that point in the draft.

[FlaHawker 24]

he is not ready to be a starter in the NFL and was a serious reach at that point in the draft.

What else can your magic 8 ball see? I didn't realize you are a draft expert and know exactly where every player should have been drafted. Just curious, what NFL team has employed you for this valuable skill?

[Saint Elistan 106]

When can we expect links to your home videos with Teebow, Pete?

[Big_Pete 0]

it was actually me who commented on that.

 

also i would have commented further that one picture of drew brees winding up doesn't mean he has the same throwing motion as Tim Tebow. isnt Tebow notorious for a slow, loopy windup?

 

watch some video of Brees, he doesn't usually do that. But im sure most NFL QB's do every now and then when they are uncorking a deep ball.

 

and for what its worth I think Tebow has the heart and drive to prove alot of critics wrong. but you gotta take off the homer goggles for a second and realize he is not ready to be a starter in the NFL and was a serious reach at that point in the draft.

Oh, there is no question that he isn't ready to start right now. Even with my extreme homerism, I know that he is too raw to win many games this year.

All I was saying is that from that 1 picture of Tebow looks identical to 1 picture of Brees. So to knock Tebow, you got to knock Brees.

So far, Tebow has fixed his slow, loopy windup. He says that his new windup is natural feeling, and I believe that.

Also, I don't think taking him was a reach. There have been I think 3 teams in the last couple of days that said that they were putting together packages to move back into the 1st round to take Tebow, so I believe that he was taken exactly where he needed to be taken for us to get him. We obviously had him rated higher than McCoy and Clausen, and from what I see/hear, many teams did as well, and a few of them were willing to move back to the 1st round to get him. Others were hoping to move to the 1st or 2nd pick of the second round to get him. Either way, that's much higher than Clausen went.

Did the Broncos NEED Tebow? Probably not. It was definitely either a luxury pick, or a "I finally have a QB that can potentially run the offensive set that I want to run" pick. I mean, Orton is serviceable, but he isn't a "franchise" QB because he takes way too long to make a decision, and he gets sacked way too easily. He can't even take off and run, because he trips over his own feet and falls over for a sack.

 

but I do agree. Tebow isn't ready to start right now. Maybe halfway through the season he will be. I can see McDaniels doing to Orton what Shanahan did to Plummer.

[WhiteWonder 2,858]

What else can your magic 8 ball see? I didn't realize you are a draft expert and know exactly where every player should have been drafted. Just curious, what NFL team has employed you for this valuable skill?

 

so as a football fan you dont watch players, read up on them and formulate an opinion? And you certainly don't come to FFToday, a football message board, and talk about those players and share your opinions? I'm sure if I go back and look at some of your post history I won't find you giving an opinion on any players, including your beloved Seahawks...

 

now why do i find that incredibly hard to believe?

 

[WhiteWonder 2,858]

So far, Tebow has fixed his slow, loopy windup. He says that his new windup is natural feeling, and I believe that.

Also, I don't think taking him was a reach. There have been I think 3 teams in the last couple of days that said that they were putting together packages to move back into the 1st round to take Tebow, so I believe that he was taken exactly where he needed to be taken for us to get him. We obviously had him rated higher than McCoy and Clausen, and from what I see/hear, many teams did as well, and a few of them were willing to move back to the 1st round to get him. Others were hoping to move to the 1st or 2nd pick of the second round to get him. Either way, that's much higher than Clausen went.

Did the Broncos NEED Tebow? Probably not. It was definitely either a luxury pick, or a "I finally have a QB that can potentially run the offensive set that I want to run" pick. I mean, Orton is serviceable, but he isn't a "franchise" QB because he takes way too long to make a decision, and he gets sacked way too easily. He can't even take off and run, because he trips over his own feet and falls over for a sack.

 

i think Tebows "fixed mecahnics" is still very much a work in progress. even in those highly publicized videos before the draft, everything looked forced. it needs to become 2nd nature. there is no way i believe that in 3-4 months, he has completely fixed his motions.

 

as far as saying his windup feels natural, what else would he say? he certainly isnt going to tell teams and the media that it doesn't feel natural yet.

 

but again, if there is one thing i like about Tebow its his drive and determination and i do think that with time and proper coaching he can be at least semi successful as an NFL QB.

[Gepetto 1,416]

Stop talking about Tebow.

[FlaHawker 24]

so as a football fan you dont watch players, read up on them and formulate an opinion? And you certainly don't come to FFToday, a football message board, and talk about those players and share your opinions? I'm sure if I go back and look at some of your post history I won't find you giving an opinion on any players, including your beloved Seahawks...

 

now why do i find that incredibly hard to believe?

 

Of course we all have opinions but I like to thionk I can back up my opinions with fact. I'd love for you to back up with FACTS your opinions like Pete Carroll will fail due to media pressure? Or Tim Tebow should not have been drafted where he was? Opinions with fact great. Opinions based on nothing? Not so much

[WhiteWonder 2,858]

Of course we all have opinions but I like to thionk I can back up my opinions with fact. I'd love for you to back up with FACTS your opinions like Pete Carroll will fail due to media pressure? Or Tim Tebow should not have been drafted where he was? Opinions with fact great. Opinions based on nothing? Not so much

 

i also remember saying Pete Carroll would have added pressure on him due to media scruitny. are you telling me the media will not be on Carroll? for leaving the cushy confines of USC and heading back to the pros where he previously failed as a head coach? I dont even remember saying he WOULD fail, i remember saying he would have added pressure. As far as my "facts" for having that opinion, i didnt know you needed paint by numbers here but all you have to do is look at Saban, spurrier and so on to see the bright light shined upon college coaches who go from big time programs to the NFL.

 

and like i said, much of where we all get our opinions and facts are from watching players, watching the media, reasding the media etc etc etc.. i'll find you tons of media links discussing why Tebow was a reach in round 1. As far as my own opinion? Didn't I mention his slow, loopy release? I guess I could go on to add his lack of a deep ball and poor footwork. All of which add up to him being a project which isn't what you want in a first round pick, IMO.

[FlaHawker 24]

i also remember saying Pete Carroll would have added pressure on him due to media scruitny. are you telling me the media will not be on Carroll? for leaving the cushy confines of USC and heading back to the pros where he previously failed as a head coach? I dont even remember saying he WOULD fail, i remember saying he would have added pressure. As far as my "facts" for having that opinion, i didnt know you needed paint by numbers here but all you have to do is look at Saban, spurrier and so on to see the bright light shined upon college coaches who go from big time programs to the NFL.

 

and like i said, much of where we all get our opinions and facts are from watching players, watching the media, reasding the media etc etc etc.. i'll find you tons of media links discussing why Tebow was a reach in round 1. As far as my own opinion? Didn't I mention his slow, loopy release? I guess I could go on to add his lack of a deep ball and poor footwork. All of which add up to him being a project which isn't what you want in a first round pick, IMO.

So the media says Tebow was a reach and that's that? Of course you don't remember what you said about Carroll. You throw out so much uniformed BS it must be hard to keep track of it all. As for Spurrier and Saban horrible comparisons, uniformed comparisons.

 

Pete Carroll

Team(s) as a coach/administrator

Iowa State (SC)

Ohio State (SC)

North Carolina State (DC)

Pacific (OC)

Buffalo Bills (DB)

Minnesota Vikings (DB)

New York Jets (DC)

New York Jets

San Francisco 49ers (DC)

New England Patriots

USC

Seattle Seahawks

 

Steve Spurrier

Coaching career (HC unless noted)

Florida (QBs)

Georgia Tech (QBs)

Duke (OC)

Tampa Bay Bandits

Duke

Florida

Washington Redskins

South Carolina

 

Nick Saban

Coaching career (HC unless noted)

Kent State (GA)

Kent State (D. Asst.)

Syracuse (D. Asst.)

West Virginia (D. Asst.)

Ohio State (DBs)

Navy (D. Asst.)

Michigan St (DBs/DC)

Houston Oilers (DBs)

Toledo

Cleveland Browns (DC)

Michigan St

LSU

Miami Dolphins

Alabama

 

 

I think this speaks for itself. Like I said, opinions based on nothing

[macca 0]

Colt Brennan was a much better college QB than Tebow.

 

fail

 

Whether Tebow is good in the NFL or not, this makes you look like an idiot.....or Colt's mother.....or both.

[jgcrawfish 232]

fail

 

Whether Tebow is good in the NFL or not, this makes you look like an idiot.....or Colt's mother.....or both.

 

 

it's ok...phillybear doesn't care...logic and reason mean nothing to a guy who is used to looking like an idiot. in fact, he's a staunch non-believer in the best player his own team had on their roster last year, John Carlson.

 

Nearly every QB flattens that arm out right before they let it fly. The problem was Tebow was NEVER the exposed ball, it was the elongated delivery created by the extra slightly downward loop in his motion. That still shot could be from ANY point of his motion just prior to the release and as such can't be judged like many in this thread want do to. Just ignore Phillybear.

[jgcrawfish 232]

What else can your magic 8 ball see? I didn't realize you are a draft expert and know exactly where every player should have been drafted. Just curious, what NFL team has employed you for this valuable skill?

 

 

same one that employs you i guess don't you have an "It's always sunny in rainy Seattle thread" to get back and tend to? what will all the other delusional sheep do without you there to shepard them?

[kmbryant09 1]

Colt Brennan was a much better college QB than Tebow.

 

Brennan needs to find the right coach and system. Washington isn't it, and I said it when he was drafted. He's the next Whitehurst. :hyper:

You lose all credibility with a statement like this.

[jdon 28]

Hey, did you guys know that Tim Tebow believes in Jesus? I think this should help his passing rate at least a little bit.

 

WAR TEBOW!!!!

[WhiteWonder 2,858]

So the media says Tebow was a reach and that's that? Of course you don't remember what you said about Carroll. You throw out so much uniformed BS it must be hard to keep track of it all. As for Spurrier and Saban horrible comparisons, uniformed comparisons.

 

i dont remember saying Carroll would fail because I didn't say he would fail. Saying he will have media scrutiny is not saying he will fail BECAUSE of media scrutiny. Once again stop making every little thing into an attack on your shitty Seahawks and focus on what actually being said in a discussion.

 

i even laid out facts for why i have the opinion that the media will be on him. he has had previous failed NFL head coaching stints and in the recent past, high profile college coaches coming from big time programs have flopped in the NFL. the media spotlight shines bright on those guys.

 

i realize its hard for you, when someone calmly lays out an argument or opinion and you have no retort, you resort to 3rd grade behavior and tell people to fock off and get out of your Seahawk thread. LOL

 

and the fact that you decided to attack me in an unrelated thread because I stated my opinion (something we all do) shows how much of a clown you are.

[davidbostonisgood 2]

Guys, I know Tim Tebow. Kind of through an aquantance.

[themorey 1]

All I was saying is that from that 1 picture of Tebow looks identical to 1 picture of Brees. So to knock Tebow, you got to knock Brees.

 

That is an absolutely ridiculous argument. By your logic, if I can find a picture of Darius Heyward-Bey catching a ball just like Randy Moss then he must be the 2nd coming of Randy. Never mind the hundreds of pictures of DHB dropping the ball, as long as we grab one moment in time we are good.

 

The fantasy gods should smite you on the spot for comparing Tim Teabag to Drew Brees.

[phillybear 366]

fail

 

Whether Tebow is good in the NFL or not, this makes you look like an idiot.....or Colt's mother.....or both.

 

Colt Brennan

* Second all-time in most career touchdowns responsible for (146). Achieved November 23, 2007.

* NCAA record for most 400 yard games (20). Achieved in 2007.

* Tied NCAA record for most career touchdown passes by a quarterback-receiver combination (39 to Davone Bess). Achieved November 23, 2007.

* NCAA single-season record for most touchdown passes, achieved in 2006 (58)

* NCAA two-season record for most touchdown passes, (96, achieved 2006-2007)

* NCAA record for passing efficiency (season), posting a 186.0 mark in 2006

* NCAA record for most points responsible for (season) with 385. (2006)

* NCAA record for highest pass completion percentage (70.4%).

* Second all-time in career touchdown passes (131) behind Graham Harrell.

* Fourth all-time in total passing yards with 14,193 behind Graham Harrell, Ty Detmer and Timmy Chang.

 

It's very fair to say Tebow's stats are don't come close to these benchmarks. Colt Brennan was the best college, I said COLLEGE, QB that I have ever seen. His accuracy and efficiency was simply amazing. Shame on you if you didn't watch Hawaii games during those years. I watched nearly game Brennan played in.

[phillybear 366]

Guys, I know Tim Tebow. Kind of through an aquantance.

 

Great. Tell him that I think he sucks.

[FlaHawker 24]

i dont remember saying Carroll would fail because I didn't say he would fail. Saying he will have media scrutiny is not saying he will fail BECAUSE of media scrutiny. Once again stop making every little thing into an attack on your shitty Seahawks and focus on what actually being said in a discussion.

 

i even laid out facts for why i have the opinion that the media will be on him. he has had previous failed NFL head coaching stints and in the recent past, high profile college coaches coming from big time programs have flopped in the NFL. the media spotlight shines bright on those guys.

 

i realize its hard for you, when someone calmly lays out an argument or opinion and you have no retort, you resort to 3rd grade behavior and tell people to fock off and get out of your Seahawk thread. LOL

 

and the fact that you decided to attack me in an unrelated thread because I stated my opinion (something we all do) shows how much of a clown you are.

Once more uniformed biased opinion. Pete Carroll was 33-31 as an NFL HC with two playoff appearances. So in your limited mind, that constitutes two failed NFL stints? You also missed my obvious point about college coaches. Carroll has a ton more NFL experience than those two guys combined. So to simply brush Carroll off as a "college" coach is uninformed at best. Your argument is filled with baseless opinions, my retorts have been fact based. If you don't like being called out than do not post garbage. Simple. Your opinions are worthless becauise you can't back any of them up with even the slightest bit of fact.

[phillybear 366]

it's ok...phillybear doesn't care...logic and reason mean nothing to a guy who is used to looking like an idiot. in fact, he's a staunch non-believer in the best player his own team had on their roster last year, John Carlson.

 

The best player on the roster last year was David Hawthorne. A backup LB, he was pressed into service after injuries hit, and had 117 tackles. Stellar performance.

Olindo Mare was arguably another top performer, making 21 consecutive FGs, 24 out of 26 overall, and was among the league leaders in touchbacks and kickoff distance.

 

 

John Carlson padded his stats the last couple of weeks in garbage time. He isn't a bad player, but of course that didn't stop the front office from signing Chris Baker and drafting Anthony McCoy.

[Sho Nuff 720]

I love how not only is a rookie camp video something great...a still shot of Drew Brees is a good comparison now?

[kmbryant09 1]

Colt Brennan

* Second all-time in most career touchdowns responsible for (146). Achieved November 23, 2007.

* NCAA record for most 400 yard games (20). Achieved in 2007.

* Tied NCAA record for most career touchdown passes by a quarterback-receiver combination (39 to Davone Bess). Achieved November 23, 2007.

* NCAA single-season record for most touchdown passes, achieved in 2006 (58)

* NCAA two-season record for most touchdown passes, (96, achieved 2006-2007)

* NCAA record for passing efficiency (season), posting a 186.0 mark in 2006

* NCAA record for most points responsible for (season) with 385. (2006)

* NCAA record for highest pass completion percentage (70.4%).

* Second all-time in career touchdown passes (131) behind Graham Harrell.

* Fourth all-time in total passing yards with 14,193 behind Graham Harrell, Ty Detmer and Timmy Chang.

 

It's very fair to say Tebow's stats are don't come close to these benchmarks. Colt Brennan was the best college, I said COLLEGE, QB that I have ever seen. His accuracy and efficiency was simply amazing. Shame on you if you didn't watch Hawaii games during those years. I watched nearly game Brennan played in.

Well of course if you're only going to look at strictly throwing stats, than Tebow is merely a great college QB, not one of the best.

 

But it is pretty convenient that you don't mention rushing yards, TD's, Championships, Heisman Trophy's....And oh yeah, what conference did Colt Brennan play in? Was it the SEC? Didn't think so.