Mendenhall vs. Shonn Greene

[steelers2101 7]

Scoring: .5 ppr, 1 pt per 10 rush/rec, 25 return yds.

 

Even as a Steeler's fan it is hard not to like Greene behind that Jets o-line, even with LT there. Mendenhall will get more points on receptions though.

 

One of them will be my 3rd keeper to go with Ray Rice and DeSean Jackson. Unfortunately I will also have to let Roddy White and Percy Harvin go as well. Somehow this team finished 10th of 12. Ridiculous.

[nobody 2,683]

Mendy seems to get beat up and also seems to disappear for some games. I'd rather have Greene. In fact, I own Mendenhall in a dynasty and would trade him straight up for Greene.

[Mike MacGregor 20]

I think I would favor Greene, but a tad nervous about either guy. Does the owner with MJD by chance have a crappy third keeper option?

[Portis26 0]

two of my most over-rated guys in the draft IMO.

Mendy i guess because he is alone whereas Greene will lose carries/touches to LT

[famousb 11]

I think Greene is overhyped.

what has he done so far? I don't want to just interpolate TJones' #s straight to Greene as of yet.

Mendy at least is known to be "the guy" and should easily get 300 carries. I can't say that about Greene

[Mike MacGregor 20]

I think Greene is overhyped.

what has he done so far? I don't want to just interpolate TJones' #s straight to Greene as of yet.

Mendy at least is known to be "the guy" and should easily get 300 carries. I can't say that about Greene

 

Good point when comparing the two. LT could have a bigger impact than people think. I understand he looked spent last season, but a new and much better OL could really breathe some life into his game.

[kmbryant09 1]

At first, I wasn't high on Mendenhall at all, but after a little research, I really like this guy for a few reasons:

-He's a 1st round talent, so we know he has a solid combination of size and speed/agility (meaning he's the real deal).

-Steelers are getting back to smashmouth football. Not sure if it's entirely because of Big Ben's suspension, but they drafted Pouncey & Dwyer, which should only help the ground and pound. Also, with Parker out of town, Mendenhall should be in for a full workload.

-His numbers last year were more impressive than I originally thought: Even with a suspect OLine, he averaged 4.6 ypc, and scored 8 TD's on just 267 touches.

-He caught 25 passes...I know it doesn't sound like a lot, but I didn't know he was utilized out of the backfield AT ALL. With Willie Parker out, he should get a few more receptions, though he will be limited by the presence of Mewelde Moore.

 

280 carries, 1260 yards...35 catches, 270 yards...12 Total TD's

[Riddlen 1]

At first, I wasn't high on Mendenhall at all, but after a little research, I really like this guy for a few reasons:

-He's a 1st round talent, so we know he has a solid combination of size and speed/agility (meaning he's the real deal).

-Steelers are getting back to smashmouth football. Not sure if it's entirely because of Big Ben's suspension, but they drafted Pouncey & Dwyer, which should only help the ground and pound. Also, with Parker out of town, Mendenhall should be in for a full workload.

-His numbers last year were more impressive than I originally thought: Even with a suspect OLine, he averaged 4.6 ypc, and scored 8 TD's on just 267 touches.

-He caught 25 passes...I know it doesn't sound like a lot, but I didn't know he was utilized out of the backfield AT ALL. With Willie Parker out, he should get a few more receptions, though he will be limited by the presence of Mewelde Moore.

 

280 carries, 1260 yards...35 catches, 270 yards...12 Total TD's

I dont see Mewelde being a factor. Everyone thought that last year and he wasnt involved at all. I like Mendy better this year for sure. Dynasty? It close but I still go Mendy but its a toss up.

[steelers2101 7]

I think I would favor Greene, but a tad nervous about either guy. Does the owner with MJD by chance have a crappy third keeper option?

 

No he doesn't, and the system in place prevents getting value out of guys we couldn't otherwise keep. So I can't do a 2 for 1 and then keep the guy I get back with the other 2.

 

I agree regarding LT. I think he looked great at moments last year (though I was able to and did trade him for Mendenhall) and was really slowed by that O-line. He could be very strong competition or complement for Shonn Greene.

 

I'll be looking forward to watching these guys in the preseason.

 

Shonn Greene did show a lot last season in limited playing time. He averaged over 5 yards a carry and was huge in the postseason. I think he can be very good.

 

Definitely a tough call.

[steelers2101 7]

two of my most over-rated guys in the draft IMO.

Mendy i guess because he is alone whereas Greene will lose carries/touches to LT

 

So you'd keep White or Percy Harvin over either of those guys? Percy Harvin was the 12th highest scoring WR last year in our scoring system, and due to this sort of projection from Yahoo - rushing 361 yds 1.7 TDs, Receiving 63.7 rec 824 yds 5.9 TDs, return 1,485 yds 1.9 TDs - he is projected to be the highest scoring WR this year.

[steelers2101 7]

Looks like Greene's value is on the rise...

 

Per Rotoworld:

 

Tomlinson is already struggling in New York

 

One anonymous NFL GM with multiple Super Bowl rings told the New York Post that, "If you watch the films from the end of last year, [LaDainian Tomlinson] had nothing left."

It's not just Rotoworld that knows Tomlinson's tank is on E. The Post goes on to say that LT looked three steps slow at minicamp, something that should be expected after nine straight years of incredible workloads. The Jets should quickly realize that signing Tomlinson was a mistake and keep his touches to a minimum, even though they are attempting to publicly talk him up right now. Don't be surprised if Joe McKnight passes him on the depth chart by season's end. Jun. 21 - 9:54 am et

Source: New York Post

[kmbryant09 1]

I dont see Mewelde being a factor. Everyone thought that last year and he wasnt involved at all. I like Mendy better this year for sure. Dynasty? It close but I still go Mendy but its a toss up.

I definitely don't see Moore as a reason to caution away from Mendanhall. My point was that Moore will most likely be the 3rd down back (except in short yardages) because he's a very good receiving back. He had 21 receptions last year in EXTREMELY limited action. I was pleasantly surprised to see Mendanhall caught 25 passes, but I just don't see that number eclipsing 35-40 next year with Moore in town.

[steelers2101 7]

I definitely don't see Moore as a reason to caution away from Mendanhall. My point was that Moore will most likely be the 3rd down back (except in short yardages) because he's a very good receiving back. He had 21 receptions last year in EXTREMELY limited action. I was pleasantly surprised to see Mendanhall caught 25 passes, but I just don't see that number eclipsing 35-40 next year with Moore in town.

 

I think that's right, that Moore will be the 3rd down back. From what I've seen, the Steelers really like him and he's done well with limited touches.

[mobb_deep 920]

Good point when comparing the two. LT could have a bigger impact than people think. I understand he looked spent last season, but a new and much better OL could really breathe some life into his game.

 

That's what I'm thinking. I would be surprised at all if LT ended up starting. I'd think Mende is in a safer situation at this point. Although I don't think either are really that great of runners, to be honest.

[steelers2101 7]

That's what I'm thinking. I would be surprised at all if LT ended up starting. I'd think Mende is in a safer situation at this point. Although I don't think either are really that great of runners, to be honest.

 

 

Do you keep Roddy White over both of them? We start 3 WRs, 2 RBs and 1 WR/RB flex.

[gimethedamnball 2]

I think both these dudes are pretty even and I can see them having similar stats at the end of the year. I play in a non PPR format and would take Mendenhall over Greene. I don't remember seeing either player taking a lot of dump off passes last year but I can see Ladanian being the guy in 3rd downs in New York so maybe based on that would go with Mendy.

[kmbryant09 1]

I think both these dudes are pretty even and I can see them having similar stats at the end of the year. I play in a non PPR format and would take Mendenhall over Greene. I don't remember seeing either player taking a lot of dump off passes last year but I can see Ladanian being the guy in 3rd downs in New York so maybe based on that would go with Mendy.

Mendy actually caught 25 passes last year with Fast Willie in town. If you're going to factor in receptions (and the receiving yards), I think you'd have to give Mendenhall a pretty significant edge over Greene.

[steelers2101 7]

Steelers RT Willie Colon out for the season. That certainly hurts Mendenhall.

[remote controller 143]

I'll take Shonn over Mendy.

[Phurfur 70]

Good point when comparing the two. LT could have a bigger impact than people think. I understand he looked spent last season, but a new and much better OL could really breathe some life into his game.

 

I know it is early but this is from RotoWorld.

 

ESPN New York's Rich Cimini confirms that LaDainain Tomlinson failed to stand out on the minicamp practice field this spring.

 

Cimini cautions to read little into non-contact practices, but confirms that LT did nothing to make anyone think, "Wow, he's back." Spring workouts are supposed to make running backs look better than ever. Meanwhile, Manish Mehta of the NY Daily News is predicting fantasy stardom for Shonn Greene.

Source: ESPN.com

[shovelheadt 71]

Now that Colon has torn his achilles, I think the main argument in this thread is a moot point now.

[#1LionFan 0]

ppr or not, I feel Greene is one of the safest RBs this year. #1 RB in non-ppr or #2 RB in PPR = gold. He is the lead dog in a run-oriented team that lead the league in rushes last year. Even w/ Fanaca gone, most would consider the Jets O-line top 5 in the league. He only has a rookie and an outdated LT behind him. The O has plenty of weapons to prevent opposing Ds from stacking the box. And the Jets D will always keep them in games and put the O in great situations!

 

Now all players come w/risk. The big one for Greene is that his receptions will prob top out at 10 or so. He does play violently so risk of injury is there. and there is always the chance that because he is "LT" the coaches may feel more tempted to play him than they should or he deserved (as SD did last year).

 

Even before the injury, Pit did not have nearly the line or weapons that NY has. In a ppr I could see going with Mendy since he will get 30 or so more pts than Greene, but in a standard league...Greene all the way.

 

Mendy is actually a candidate to underperform this year considering where he will be drafted.

[WhiteWonder 2,742]

time to chime in on this topic.

 

As a Jet fan I am very excited about Shonn Greene but he has never carried the load. He had 108 regular season carries in 2009 and never carried 20 times in a game until the playoffs. The Jets rode the veteran legs of Thomas Jones and Greene wowed us all in the playoffs. It seems to me that most people are being a little quick to just assume Greene puts up Jones numbers.

 

The offensive line is still a top run blocking unit, regardless of the Faneca loss. If Greene gets the touchesand can hold up to the workload, he WILL be a stud.

 

But its somewhat a leap of faith. I expect LT to be in there in obvious passing downs as he is the much better pass catcher and much better blocker at this point. Say what you will about LT but he has always had a nose for the endzone, even when he was clearly out of gas in San Diego so I expect him to vulture some TD's. And he probably will get more touches than he deserves because of his name.

 

And in the back of my mind, I think that Thomas Jones was never really electric. He ran hard behind a top notch line. LT doesn't need to be the LT of old (nasty cuts and speed) to do the same thing.

[steelers2101 7]

time to chime in on this topic.

 

As a Jet fan I am very excited about Shonn Greene but he has never carried the load. He had 108 regular season carries in 2009 and never carried 20 times in a game until the playoffs. The Jets rode the veteran legs of Thomas Jones and Greene wowed us all in the playoffs. It seems to me that most people are being a little quick to just assume Greene puts up Jones numbers.

 

The offensive line is still a top run blocking unit, regardless of the Faneca loss. If Greene gets the touchesand can hold up to the workload, he WILL be a stud.

 

But its somewhat a leap of faith. I expect LT to be in there in obvious passing downs as he is the much better pass catcher and much better blocker at this point. Say what you will about LT but he has always had a nose for the endzone, even when he was clearly out of gas in San Diego so I expect him to vulture some TD's. And he probably will get more touches than he deserves because of his name.

 

And in the back of my mind, I think that Thomas Jones was never really electric. He ran hard behind a top notch line. LT doesn't need to be the LT of old (nasty cuts and speed) to do the same thing.

 

Yes, yes. There are some ifs, as you mentioned, and LT will certainly get more touches than he deserved and will be used to spell Greene plenty. I also think that LT could be much better behind the NY line than he was last year behind the SD line. That said, with even 250 touches, Greene could hit 1300 yards with 10 TDs. I don't think Mendenhall's upside is as high, but the consistency from receptions will limit his bottom line, game to game.

[steelers2101 7]

ppr or not, I feel Greene is one of the safest RBs this year. #1 RB in non-ppr or #2 RB in PPR = gold. He is the lead dog in a run-oriented team that lead the league in rushes last year. Even w/ Fanaca gone, most would consider the Jets O-line top 5 in the league. He only has a rookie and an outdated LT behind him. The O has plenty of weapons to prevent opposing Ds from stacking the box. And the Jets D will always keep them in games and put the O in great situations!

 

Now all players come w/risk. The big one for Greene is that his receptions will prob top out at 10 or so. He does play violently so risk of injury is there. and there is always the chance that because he is "LT" the coaches may feel more tempted to play him than they should or he deserved (as SD did last year).

 

Even before the injury, Pit did not have nearly the line or weapons that NY has. In a ppr I could see going with Mendy since he will get 30 or so more pts than Greene, but in a standard league...Greene all the way.

 

Mendy is actually a candidate to underperform this year considering where he will be drafted.

 

I think you are right that Mendenhall is a candidate to underperform. It is going to be hard for him to perform better than most of the guys being drafted over him, and it'll be hard for him to hold off everyone drafted after him. This is a .5 PPR, which gives Mendenhall maybe a 3 pt per game cushion on Greene (counting also the receiving yards he'll get more than Green). It'll take Greene 300 rushing yards and 3 TDs to make that up. I think he can do that. Greene could even lead the league in rushing behind that line. It's hard to let a guy like that go, even if the receptions limit his upside.

 

What about these two guys beyond this year, which allows us to ignore factors like LT and Colon's injury. Who has the brighter future? Who has the potential to be a top 5 pick for a few years?

[WhiteWonder 2,742]

What about these two guys beyond this year, which allows us to ignore factors like LT and Colon's injury. Who has the brighter future? Who has the potential to be a top 5 pick for a few years?

 

still hard to say due to sample size in my opinion. We know Mendy can carry the load. If we assume Greene can carry the load then I would choose Greene for the long haul. Not only is the Jets line amazing, they are fairly young minus Woody. Both Brick and Mangold will be stallwarts for several years assuming they get new contracts. Plus I love Greenes explosion.

[steelers2101 7]

still hard to say due to sample size in my opinion. We know Mendy can carry the load. If we assume Greene can carry the load then I would choose Greene for the long haul. Not only is the Jets line amazing, they are fairly young minus Woody. Both Brick and Mangold will be stallwarts for several years assuming they get new contracts. Plus I love Greenes explosion.

 

Where do you like Greene's explosion?

 

Okay, okay, just kidding. Mendenhall did a good job last year carrying the load and should get even more touches, but if the Steelers struggle, he will be extremely inconsistent. Greene should be consistent barring injury.

[Boston Three Party 6]

Colon crushes Mendy's value to the GUTTER.

 

I'd rather run with Greene/Charles than Moss/Mendy (say - 8-10th redraft 10 teamer spot) if I have to consider Mendy. Colon out is a big hit to me.

 

We'll see how many guys notice that come draft day, he he.

[kmbryant09 1]

Where do you like Greene's explosion?

 

Okay, okay, just kidding.

[steelers2101 7]

Found this on Shonn Greene:

 

"New York Jets head coach Rex Ryan said in an interview with CBSSports.com at the NFL owner’s meeting in Orlando, FL that he’s excited about new RB LaDainian Tomlinson, who signed with the Jets last week after he was released by San Diego. Ryan said Tomlinson will share carries with Shonn Greene as the Jets continue to “pound and pound away” with their strong running game. “Some games Shonn is going to have more carries than L.T. Other games L.T. will have more than Shonn,” Ryan said.

 

He added that Tomlinson “hypothetically will carry the ball 15 times a game. Sometimes more, sometimes less.” Ryan made it clear that Greene is still the featured back, but both running backs will touch the ball a lot. “We brought in L.T. to be a significant contributor for us, but obviously we believe Shonn is a superstar in the making.”"

 

Is Tomlinson really going to take that many touches away? Over 15 carries in some games seems like a lot.

[WhiteWonder 2,742]

Found this on Shonn Greene:

 

"New York Jets head coach Rex Ryan said in an interview with CBSSports.com at the NFL owner’s meeting in Orlando, FL that he’s excited about new RB LaDainian Tomlinson, who signed with the Jets last week after he was released by San Diego. Ryan said Tomlinson will share carries with Shonn Greene as the Jets continue to “pound and pound away” with their strong running game. “Some games Shonn is going to have more carries than L.T. Other games L.T. will have more than Shonn,” Ryan said.

 

He added that Tomlinson “hypothetically will carry the ball 15 times a game. Sometimes more, sometimes less.” Ryan made it clear that Greene is still the featured back, but both running backs will touch the ball a lot. “We brought in L.T. to be a significant contributor for us, but obviously we believe Shonn is a superstar in the making.”"

 

Is Tomlinson really going to take that many touches away? Over 15 carries in some games seems like a lot.

 

nah, unless Greene is less effective than they think or injured i could see LT maybe getting 15 TOUCHES.

 

Rex said this a while ago and either way its all preseason hype. When you read this you think, ok the Jets are going to run as much as they did last year... but what about adding Holmes? the maturation of Sanchez? a full offseason for Braylon? I certainly expect the Jets to open up the passing game a little more.

[steelers2101 7]

nah, unless Greene is less effective than they think or injured i could see LT maybe getting 15 TOUCHES.

 

Rex said this a while ago and either way its all preseason hype. When you read this you think, ok the Jets are going to run as much as they did last year... but what about adding Holmes? the maturation of Sanchez? a full offseason for Braylon? I certainly expect the Jets to open up the passing game a little more.

 

I expect that too, unless the D is so dominant that it isn't necessary.