Using welfare for seafood

[Brad GLuckman 519]

Sacrifices, you say? Like not feeding their kids, while dining high on the hog? While milking yet another program, claiming hardship, because they're too stupid, entitled and unwilling to budget their resources as effectively as possible?

 

Bullsh!t, I say. This permissiveness is as bad as the problem, because you seem wholly unable to stand up for the right thing.

 

And if you don't think that a TON of these cards don't get traded for booze, or cigs, or what the fock ever, you're really in full blown denial, and aren't helping remedy a damned thing.

 

I LIVED surrounded by these run-on abuses. CONDEMN this Bullsh!t.

 

There's a lot of asumptions being made in this thread so let me be clear. I am against both selling foodstamps for cigs, drugs, or alcohol and starving your children so you can eat expensive meals.

 

But there's no evidence of that in this situation. All we have is a couple of women buying some seafood with foodstamps. Now if they were doing this everyday I would have a problem with it. But we don't know that.

 

Listen, I'm against wasting my tax dollars on lazy unmotivated pieces of sh!t as well. But I don't think there's any evidence of these people abusing the system. It seems to me they just got a nice meal. Who knows what they sacrificed earlier in the week to pay for it. They have an allotted amount of stamps. They bought food with it.

 

I guess what I'm getting at is...there are plenty of examples of abuse in the system. A couple women using their foodstamps to buy some seafood is way down the list if you ask me.

[IGotWorms 4,060]

I agree, and since children are feed in school (some areas are now serving 3 meals) they are not depriving their kids. They probably can afford it more than most people. Let me see, food stamps for the family and free meals for the kids at school, not a bad deal.

 

You are absolutely right: we should totally let the poor kids starve. Little fockers think they are entitled to free lunch at school, huh? Well I say fock 'em! Let 'em go without! That's what they get for being born to poor parents! :mad:

[Phurfur 70]

You are absolutely right: we should totally let the poor kids starve. Little fockers think they are entitled to free lunch at school, huh? Well I say fock 'em! Let 'em go without! That's what they get for being born to poor parents! :mad:

 

Obesity is a major problem of the American poor. Ask Michelle Obama.

[IGotWorms 4,060]

Obesity is a major problem of the American poor. Ask Michelle Obama.

 

Maybe because they can't afford to eat healthy foods? Oh wait, that doesn't fit with your preconceived worldview. I mean: of course they're all fat--it's because they are lazy as sh1t just like their good-for-nothing welfare-loafing parents! :mad:

[Phurfur 70]

Do you have any data to support what you are saying? Using your one company does not mean that every company behaves that way. And every piece of data I've seen: manufacturing statistics, trade deficits, etc. don't support what you are saying. At all.

 

No, I am sure we are the only company that ever did this.

 

Where is your data that shows otherwise? I am giving an example, you are blowing smoke...

[JT 137]

Obesity is a major problem of the American poor. Ask Michelle Obama.

 

And again, fish is a major cause of obesity.

[IMMensaMind 462]

There's a lot of asumptions being made in this thread so let me be clear. I am against both selling foodstamps for cigs, drugs, or alcohol and starving your children so you can eat expensive meals.

 

But there's no evidence of that in this situation. All we have is a couple of women buying some seafood with foodstamps. Now if they were doing this everyday I would have a problem with it. But we don't know that.

 

C'mon Brad: seriously. This is about the assumption that if someone is buying seafood with their friggin' welfare card - and we have legions of stories of the same type of thing - along with hopping in high-end cars and SUVs after their grocery jaunt - that this behaviour is EPIDEMIC.

 

Can you not bring yourself to admit that? This isn't an exception; it's the norm. There is no way we're ever going to track this particular person down to find out if this person has truly never done such a thing before, so why sit there and refuse to condemn behaviour when the subject exists because we all know that it's typical - that welfare is heavily abused?

 

Seriously!

 

Listen, I'm against wasting my tax dollars on lazy unmotivated pieces of sh!t as well. But I don't think there's any evidence of these people abusing the system. It seems to me they just got a nice meal. Who knows what they sacrificed earlier in the week to pay for it. They have an allotted amount of stamps. They bought food with it.

 

That is evidence; you're just not willing to fire off a condemnation. I would bet my HOUSE that this woman does this all the time.

 

I guess what I'm getting at is...there are plenty of examples of abuse in the system. A couple women using their foodstamps to buy some seafood is way down the list if you ask me.

 

The point is that this woman buying high-end fare with our money is representative of that abuse, and you're mollycoddling the subject.

[Phurfur 70]

Maybe because they can't afford to eat healthy foods? Oh wait, that doesn't fit with your preconceived worldview. I mean: of course they're all fat--it's because they are lazy as sh1t just like their good-for-nothing welfare-loafing parents! :mad:

 

But you said poor kids were staving? Now you are agreeing they are obese because we don't give them enough money but kids get 3 meals a day in school and people are buying $12.00 a pound fish.

 

How much money do they need? What will make you happy?

[Bishop82 61]

And again, fish is a major cause of obesity.

 

i.e. see GFIAFP

[IMMensaMind 462]

How many is acceptable in conservatopia? 120?

 

Deflection. Starvation in America is a non-issue. You know it; I know it.

[nikki2200 4]

No, I am sure we are the only company that ever did this.

 

Where is your data that shows otherwise? I am giving an example, you are blowing smoke...

 

Google trade deficit.

 

Are you focking around? You keep arguing with me about things that are pretty common knowledge.

[Phurfur 70]

And again, fish is a major cause of obesity.

 

Where did I say it was?

[JT 137]

But you said poor kids were staving? Now you are agreeing they are obese because we don't give them enough money but kids get 3 meals a day in school and people are buying $12.00 a pound fish.

 

How much money do they need? What will make you happy?

 

Now it's $12 a pound.

 

This has become the biggest fish story ever.

[Phurfur 70]

Google trade deficit.

 

Are you focking around? You keep arguing with me about things that are pretty common knowledge.

 

Right back at you. You need to crawl out of your box.

 

EDIT: the trade deficit shows our inablity to compete in the new world market.

[Phurfur 70]

Now it's $12 a pound.

 

This has become the biggest fish story ever.

 

From the OP

 

My blood preasure went up a bit seeing my tax dollars buying $12.00 per pound fresh fish and seafood salad.

 

HTH

[Brad GLuckman 519]

C'mon Brad: seriously. This is about the assumption that if someone is buying seafood with their friggin' welfare card - and we have legions of stories of the same type of thing - along with hopping in high-end cars and SUVs after their grocery jaunt - that this behaviour is EPIDEMIC.

 

Can you not bring yourself to admit that? This isn't an exception; it's the norm. There is no way we're ever going to track this particular person down to find out if this person has truly never done such a thing before, so why sit there and refuse to condemn behaviour when the subject exists because we all know that it's typical - that welfare is heavily abused?

 

Seriously!

 

 

 

That is evidence; you're just not willing to fire off a condemnation. I would bet my HOUSE that this woman does this all the time.

 

 

 

The point is that this woman buying high-end fare with our money is representative of that abuse, and you're mollycoddling the subject.

 

Again you're making assumptions, ImmensaMind. The original post mentioned nothing about high end SUV's. Just some seafood.

 

Do you really have that much of an issue with someone who eats:

 

5 cheap meals, 1 average meal, and 1 expensive meal per week

 

vs

 

7 average meals per week?

 

Again, they're spending their food stamps on food dude. I' m not completely ok with the entire system of welfare and food stamps, but I'm fine with how they used their food stamps in this case.

[Yer mom 2]

I this thread.

 

Thats all.

[IMMensaMind 462]

Again you're making assumptions, ImmensaMind. The original post mentioned nothing about high end SUV's. Just some seafood.

 

Do you really have that much of an issue with someone who eats:

 

5 cheap meals, 1 average meal, and 1 expensive meal per week

 

vs

 

7 average meals per week?

 

Again, they're spending their food stamps on food dude. I' m not completely ok with the entire system of welfare and food stamps, but I'm fine with how they used their food stamps in this case.

 

But you've made assumptions as well: you're assuming that they're being cheap the rest of the time, and you have no way of knowing that. I think that what takes place is the opposite of what you think takes place. I have personal experience, and years of it. What do you have?

 

I think that welfare is heavily abused. Heavily. I think that the vast majority of people on welfare are able bodied, and lazy. That is not on my personal experience, but the experience of the majority of the posters who have chimed in on the topic. Have you seen tons of stories of the opposite? I haven't.

 

Entitlement mentality is terminal, as are these cases.

 

The comments about high-end SUVs, etc as also the norm, and we've already seen stories about that. The OP brought up behaviour that bugged him. I agreed. Others agreed, and added stories that were similar. There are anecdotes of this type all over the place. This isn't a fluke.

 

I don't know how much more plainly I can say it. I have a problem with this; high-end food should not be available for anyone on welfare. Period.

[Cruzer 1,995]

I am all in favor of drug testing folks as a prerequsite to welfare money grabbing. But restricting what type of foods a person can buy with it seems a bit too Hitlerish to me. Now do I think it is wise to blow that kind of government assisted money on one item? Certainly not - but you can't regulate stupidity, and for all we know there was some kind of good reason. If one wants to argue the merits of welfare as a whole, sure - I can see that. But this story has no legs - just another moderately disturbing thing that happens in our world that we have no control over. And to be honest, not sure we should anyway.

[frank 2,326]

Even if they are being cheap the rest of the time, they clearly have more money than they need. Why not be cheap ALL the time?

[OldMaid 2,134]

Who knew a thread about seafood would cause such a big stink?

[IGotWorms 4,060]

Who knew a thread about seafood would cause such a big stink?

 

Quit trying to make this thread about your vag

[penultimatestraw 473]

Deflection. Starvation in America is a non-issue. You know it; I know it.

Fair enough. Now can you show me something objective that proves welfare abuse is rampant? If welfare recipients are all buying fancy SUVs, it should be easy to track/match car registration and enrollment in government assistance programs, for example. I don't know this isn't the case, to be sure, but I have a little more faith(!) in humanity I guess.

 

Both of these are OPINIONS, of course, so please don't disparage my belief (and others) as being tantamount to some socialist conspiracy. You are not presenting any more, or any less, facts than anyone else in this thread. Other than peenie.

[IMMensaMind 462]

Fair enough. Now can you show me something objective that proves welfare abuse is rampant? If welfare recipients are all buying fancy SUVs

 

Had to stop here. I'm sure that there are nearly none of these cases:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHIuXnNKKGo

 

, it should be easy to track/match car registration and enrollment in government assistance programs, for example. I don't know this isn't the case, to be sure, but I have a little more faith(!) in humanity I guess.

 

Both of these are OPINIONS, of course, so please don't disparage my belief (and others) as being tantamount to some socialist conspiracy. You are not presenting any more, or any less, facts than anyone else in this thread. Other than peenie.

 

Don't disparage my beliefs? That would have been nice for you the other lefties to remember in other threads, right? (you, at least, have an 'unfair treatment' meter - even though it has gone off late on occasion).

 

Since I'm not doing a sanctioned study - and clearly there has not been a huge effort to root out fraud in Government (why would there be? Government actually trying to spend money wisely? Ha), would you settle for a poll?

 

Would a poll of people in this forearm showing a majority believe that there is fraud be enough for you?

 

Are you really so naive as to actually think that welfare abuse is not rampant? There is a reason that the stories of this type of sh!t abound. Proving Welfare fraud is a rabbit hole created and protected by liberal self-interests. They will - naturally - claim that there is nothing to see here. They may admit to 2% actual wrongdoing, but their definitions of wrongdoing are seriously illegal activity.

 

Socialist conspiracy? We have Socialism in this country - and it and its mentality is spreading like a virus - and there are two types of liberals: naive ones who simply cannot believe it (you, I guess), and those who know exactly what they want, and use your good and naive nature to add to the momentum to get it. Your attitude towards the incursion of Socialism into our society is not dissimilar to the general Muslims' attitude toward terrorism.

 

The only fraud that is actually reported are those cases of multiple claims, etc: illegal stuff. I'm not just talking about that: I'm talking about people who do what the OP describes. That's fraud, but it will never ever even be acknowledged as wrong by too many on the left. My definition of fraud is clearly far more reaching than is yours.

 

I consider, for instance, consider deeply flawed programs that ruin any incentive to work fraud. It becomes fraud to me when some lazy asshole just sits there and collects, instead of doing anything.

 

Do you?

 

Welfare Fraud cases in California. Welfare Fraud on the increase in Houston. North Carolina. You decide whether we're just seeing exceptions here, or the tip of a very large iceberg. I already know what I think.

[BunnysBastatrds 2,538]

Welfare abuse is rampant where I live. W as standing in line at the grocery store behind a lady checking out with her food stamp card. The cashier scand her groceries and advises her that she can't buy dog food or vodka with food stamps. The b!tch get's aggitated and informs her that she's been on food stamps for twenty years and most cashiers let it go. So b!tch holds up the line and grabs a pack of steak to replace the dog food. "Guess my dogs eaten steak tonight!" I asked the cashier after the b!tch left if this is common? Cashier: All day every day..

 

 

I pass a brand new housing project every day. They built beautiful new houses for the poor to live in. Some of the two siry houses are breathtaking. Breattaking in the fact that their nicer than my home. And the vast majority of cars parked are new model Nissans and Toyotas. And mos have satelite TV. America is a wonderful place to be poor in if you have to be.

[Gepetto 1,417]

Some of you Geeks seem to get outraged by something or other on an hourly basis. I'm seeing that it is mostly the right wingers that wring their hands the most. Do any of you make it through an entire day without getting pizzed off about something or someone. It must be a republican DNA trait. It's a terrible way to go through life finding fault in something on a daily basis and feeling the need to share your anger with others. I enjoy every day and try to share that.

 

lol also, stfu it works for me

[Gepetto 1,417]

Even if they are being cheap the rest of the time, they clearly have more money than they need. Why not be cheap ALL the time?

 

Maybe they wanted to celebrate Father's Day. Also, we had cheeseburgers.

[IGotWorms 4,060]

I wish I were poor so I could eat like a king, drive a brand new SUV, and live in my dream home.

[penultimatestraw 473]

I wish I were poor so I could eat like a king, drive a brand new SUV, and live in my dream home.

I bet a poll of the Geek club would prove this is true!

[Giants Fan 85]

I wish I were poor so I could eat like a king, drive a brand new SUV, and live in my dream home.

 

I am under employed, live on a 5 acre ranch (2 houses, 4 structures, zoned for horses), pretty much eat whatever I want (food stamps) and drive a 65 Mercury Marauder convertible with a 428 Cobra Jet.

 

 

I'll never really be rich ... but I'll earn my money the old fashioned way .... I'll inherit it. For some people that is not an option. Guess in 1 way in life, I am lucky. My family has money.

[penultimatestraw 473]

You decide whether we're just seeing exceptions here, or the tip of a very large iceberg. I already know what I think.

I honestly don't know, but would support more investigation and reform of programs which promote fraud. Not elimination of the programs altogether, unless a majority (or large minority - insert racist comment here) of participants are not using the "benefits" for their intended purpose.

 

Your point was clear before the Muslim/terrorist reference, which may be insulting to some. This is one reason why people respond to you the way they do. Not because they are inferior, ignorant socialists.

[Giants Fan 85]

And as far as academic or just about any kind of achievement that isn't sports related ... I can't compete.

 

Even when it comes to inheritance ... I'm a nobody in my family. But I'll never be poor. Never really been poor ... some of my poor friends tell me. It's true ... I don't really know what it's like to not have access to food. Starving .... having a Mom on crack, turning tricks ... never an issue. Still, I would say I am middle class. We are not rich. We didn't get any of that Berkshire Hathaway money. On the other hand, the house my parents bought in 1969 for $14k sold for $750k in 2006. It used to mean something to be a millionaire ... and that's just upper middle class now.

 

http://journalstar.c...1cc4c03286.html

 

ETA: Yes, there are people in my family that would be considered rich, but my father is self made. He did, what a lot of people with a good education did 40+ years ago. He got a job teaching law at a university and retired with a nice pension. I really don't know how you get a job as a professor without a Phd these days. I thought an MS would do it, and I was wrong. Not at a university.