NICK33 0 Posted October 10, 2011 Garbage!!!! thats all thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VinegarStrokes 0 Posted October 10, 2011 I thought he was going to be better this year. I was wrong. After watching him this year I have to agree that he is never going to be in the top 10. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matt Mueller 146 Posted October 10, 2011 All was looking good for about ten minutes and then it went to ######. I am giving Ryan one more game but I am officially concerned and looking to the wire. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
effective 0 Posted October 10, 2011 I don't get the hype on the guy. He was hyped up the past two years and he under performs every season. One new WR isn't gonna change that. Glad I stayed away this season, I learned my lesson before. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stinkerbe11 0 Posted October 10, 2011 dropping him for something shiny and new off the waiver wire. I have Fitzpatrick as my starter and really only need a bye-week filler. Maybe a filler for the Jets games as well? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NICK33 0 Posted October 10, 2011 Alex Smith, Freeman? LOL not alot out there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745 Posted October 10, 2011 Ugh. Thanks to his bed sh!tting, I need 30 points out of the Detroit D tonight... not very likely. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stinkerbe11 0 Posted October 10, 2011 Alex Smith, Freeman? LOL not alot out there. last i checked alex smith was putting up good numbers. he has the same bye as fitz anyway so i wouldn't be picking him up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745 Posted October 11, 2011 Ugh. Thanks to his bed sh!tting, I need 30 points out of the Detroit D tonight... not very likely. I really focked myself not even taking a backup. I'm looking at Alex Smith or Tebow right now. Leaning towards smith. OF course, I know that if I take him, and start him, he will inevitably kill me some week with a four pick sh!tstorm. Of course, he cant do much worse than Ryan did this week. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matt Mueller 146 Posted October 11, 2011 I really focked myself not even taking a backup. I'm looking at Alex Smith or Tebow right now. Leaning towards smith. OF course, I know that if I take him, and start him, he will inevitably kill me some week with a four pick sh!tstorm. Of course, he cant do much worse than Ryan did this week. Im in the same situation. My squad is ok with Dez, Rice and Forte but Ryan is a huge weak point. I pegged him and Stafford as my late qbs. Wish I had went all in on Stafford. Luckily, Flacco, Hasselback, Alex Smith and Tebow are on the wire. Right now Ryan looks more like Mark Sanchez to me than Drew Brees. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,057 Posted October 11, 2011 "Matty Ice" sucks. He started off pretty good for a rookie, but he simply hasn't improved since then. He's actually gotten worse. And you definitely can't blame his weapons. He's got TWO great receivers, a hall of fame TE, and at least a decent ground game to rely on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matt Mueller 146 Posted October 11, 2011 "Matty Ice" sucks. He started off pretty good for a rookie, but he simply hasn't improved since then. He's actually gotten worse. And you definitely can't blame his weapons. He's got TWO great receivers, a hall of fame TE, and at least a decent ground game to rely on. I'm starting to think the same thing. I wish I did a bit more homework on him. Tough to go from game mananger to gun slinger overnight. Might not be in his DNA. Greatest show on turf this isn't. **FWIW, I do think the Packers D is better than their stats show and I still will probably start him next week and hold out some hope as long as Julio is ok. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
p.man 7 Posted October 11, 2011 At home vs Carolina = 290 and 3 Td's. He will be ok. Actually, I am glad that they have started slow. It will only make them that much more hungry to win the rest of the way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Football Guru 222 Posted October 11, 2011 I think three factors are at play here: 1) the offensive line (especially w/o C Todd McClure) - Ryan isn't trusting his line and with the way he was getting pounded after three weeks, I can't say I blame him. 2) the uptempo offense (or lack thereof) - Ryan has enjoyed one great game and one decent game this season. In the one great game, Ryan got going when he picked up the pace (or was allowed to?) on offense. With his receivers and pass-catching backs, this offense SHOULD be able to throw like Detroit if it wanted to. Instead, they cling to Michael Turner's 2.6 YPC when they are leading and 3.5 YPC when they are tied. I'm not saying they should abandon the run, but no QB is going to put up numbers when he's almost always in third and long. In fact, only nine of his 50 third-down throws have been on third-and-three or less and only 17 of those 50 attempts have come on third-and-six or less. 3) Roddy White - this hasn't garnered much press for some reason, but Roddy's not healthy. I can't honestly believe a thigh bruise is the culprit either, as a preseason injury like a thigh bruise shouldn't be an issue five weeks into the season. There's something wrong here IMO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,057 Posted October 11, 2011 I think three factors are at play here: 1) the offensive line (especially w/o C Todd McClure) - Ryan isn't trusting his line and with the way he was getting pounded after three weeks, I can't say I blame him. 2) the uptempo offense (or lack thereof) - Ryan has enjoyed one great game and one decent game this season. In the one great game, Ryan got going when he picked up the pace (or was allowed to?) on offense. With his receivers and pass-catching backs, this offense SHOULD be able to throw like Detroit if it wanted to. Instead, they cling to Michael Turner's 2.6 YPC when they are leading and 3.5 YPC when they are tied. I'm not saying they should abandon the run, but no QB is going to put up numbers when he's almost always in third and long. In fact, only nine of his 50 third-down throws have been on third-and-three or less and only 17 of those 50 attempts have come on third-and-six or less. 3) Roddy White - this hasn't garnered much press for some reason, but Roddy's not healthy. I can't honestly believe a thigh bruise is the culprit either, as a preseason injury like a thigh bruise shouldn't be an issue five weeks into the season. There's something wrong here IMO. Even if all that is true, Matt Ryan still has a much better situation than nearly every other QB in the league. Stop making excuses for him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Football Guru 222 Posted October 11, 2011 Even if all that is true, Matt Ryan still has a much better situation than nearly every other QB in the league. Stop making excuses for him. Easy there, Tonto...it looks like you've got your mind made up about him, since I guess last year's 3700-28-9 line was apparently an illusion? There are excuses...and there are reasons. And I didn't see anything in my post that suggested I was making excuses for him anyway. Should he be doing better? Of course he should; I'm disappointed too. But just like anyone else who gives a darn, I'm trying to find answers as to why he's struggling because a player doesn't get to his fourth year in the league and just begin to "suck". And "if all this is true", wouldn't that help to explain why he does "suck"? Gonzo is not in his prime and doesn't separate from defenders anymore, Julio has played five games total in his NFL career and the receiver he likes the most is limping in practice...those don't sound like excuses. All of that would help to explain why he is struggling, wouldn't it? Big Ben has a healthy WR corps and stunk up the joint until Week 5, thanks in large part to a poor running game and an o-line that couldn't pass block. Is he back to being a stud now after one good game? Last year, Josh Freeman was a can't miss young superstar...how that working out? He's got a good running game and more weapons than he did last year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RoadLizard 73 Posted October 11, 2011 All good ppints about Ryan. Something doesnt look right. Hes scared, unsure, not comfortable. And, maybe his weapons are slightly over-rated? White has been dropping passes and isnt 100% healthy. Jones is a rookie and has a lot of flash & hype but hasnt done sh!t. Turner is a fat toad. Their defense cant really stop anyone so the pressure is on the offense all the time. The playcalling is also dodgy. Still - both he and Josh Freeman are sucking right now and the fantasy season is too short for this crap. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kent 228 Posted October 11, 2011 He's just never going to be a fantasy stud. I think he's a good NFL QB, but he's just not going to do the crazy stat thing for a season. I'll never draft the guy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NICK33 0 Posted October 11, 2011 Thank god i have calvin, miles and aj green I also have forte and best in a 1 ppr league. BUt i lost by 4 points this week and the whopping 8 points put up by matty ice just isnt doing it. I'm trying to trade Matt ryan and javid best for newton and cj. GUy approached me about wanting javid. I hope he bites Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spec7ral 6 Posted October 11, 2011 I'm trying to trade Matt ryan and javid best for newton and cj. GUy approached me about wanting javid. I hope he bites Bites his own ######? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matt Mueller 146 Posted October 11, 2011 Not an excuse but in retrospect I think White was more injured this week than was reported. He only made one full practice. Hopefully he and Julio can get back to being 100%. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyclone24 1,912 Posted October 11, 2011 I wouldnt jump ship on him just yet......hes had 3 of his first 5 on the road...and his two home games were Chicago and Philly. And Seattle on the road is usually not easy for anyone. his schedule really lightens up from week 6 on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matt Mueller 146 Posted October 11, 2011 I wouldnt jump ship on him just yet......hes had 3 of his first 5 on the road...and his two home games were Green Bay and Philly. And Seattle on the road is usually not easy for anyone. his schedule really lightens up from week 6 on. Fixed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joey Gladstone 33 Posted October 12, 2011 Meh. His line hasn't been that great and the running game hasn't been pulling it's share. Throw in some predictable play-calling and it just isnt fair to place all the blame on Ryan. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matt Mueller 146 Posted October 12, 2011 Meh. His line hasn't been that great and the running game hasn't been pulling it's share. Throw in some predictable play-calling and it just isnt fair to place all the blame on Ryan. What was weird about the Sunday night game is that I loved the play calling the first 2 drives....then once the Packers, starting blitzing, playing more man and basically said 'beat us deep if you can' they couldn't adjust. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,057 Posted October 12, 2011 Big Ben has a healthy WR corps and stunk up the joint until Week 5, thanks in large part to a poor running game and an o-line that couldn't pass block. Is he back to being a stud now after one good game? Big Ben has won two Super Bowl titles. Get back to me when Ryan does the same. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgeAllen 0 Posted October 12, 2011 FU Ryan & off. cordinator, you both suck Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pavlov 0 Posted October 12, 2011 Matty Ice's new nickname: Matthew. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PackYourNut 47 Posted October 12, 2011 It's not Ryan, it's the O-line... They are pathetic this year and the coaching staff is to blame for not making sure to get everyone back from last year. As good as Julio Jones may be, you dont trade your entire draft for one player, EVER! He is focking useless if your QB is on the ground every play. Dimitrioff sh!t the bed on that deal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hoytdwow 202 Posted October 12, 2011 he was awesome last year Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Football Guru 222 Posted October 13, 2011 Take a few minutes and read this article. http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=An0hJjvH5mspk8P0ud5PkUD.uLYF?slug=ap-falcons-ryanscrossroads I think it explains A LOT, particularly the part about him making the line calls in addition to everything else he does. It makes a lot of sense he's taking more sacks because he's probably thinking a lot more than he is reacting. They don't talk about Roddy being hurt in the article, but it's clear to me he is. I'm not sure I agree with the idea that Atlanta still needs to be centered around the running game, particularly with Turner no longer a "burner". For anyone who watched Ryan-to-White last year, it didn't matter if defenses knew if the Falcons were passing or not, White got open and White caught the ball. Now, you add two dynamic pass-catching weapons and the focal point of the passing game is Gonzo? Heck, Ryan succeeded in past years with Michael Jenkins as a 50-catch WR. Last thing and it is a simple fix. If you want to run the ball better and help the pass protection, go to a base two-TE set. While that formation doesn't give a QB as many options in the passing game, it makes it much more difficult for DEs to get "the edge" and simplifies the blocking assignments. If healthy, Roddy and Julio shouldn't have problems getting open consistently with slightly better protection. Gonzo suffers (in fantasy), but you kill a lot of birds with one easy-to-throw stone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
madd futher mucker 36 Posted October 13, 2011 Great post above, Doug. I might add that back at draft time, there was a whole group on this bored who were specifically targeting Ryan instead of targeting any reasonable QB2 that remained on the board later in the draft. The list included, Eli, Stafford, Ben, Freeman, Schaub and Ryan. In most drafts I saw, Ryan was going in the 4th and 5th and Eli and Stafford were going 6th through 8th. Many of these same guys are now frustrated and finally giving up on Ryan. In fact, they did it to themselves and now is the time to be buying him, not selling. Kinda reminds me of my early years of playing the stock market - buy high, sell low. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Football Guru 222 Posted October 13, 2011 Great post above, Doug. I might add that back at draft time, there was a whole group on this bored who were specifically targeting Ryan instead of targeting any reasonable QB2 that remained on the board later in the draft. The list included, Eli, Stafford, Ben, Freeman, Schaub and Ryan. In most drafts I saw, Ryan was going in the 4th and 5th and Eli and Stafford were going 6th through 8th. Many of these same guys are now frustrated and finally giving up on Ryan. In fact, they did it to themselves and now is the time to be buying him, not selling. Kinda reminds me of my early years of playing the stock market - buy high, sell low. Thanks. Years ago, I grew tired of "this guy sucks" or "that guy is a bum" as player evaluation. One has to look for answers. There's nothing in his track record that suggests he isn't an upper-level QB. I bought in heavy on this guy and trust my eye more than I do the analysis of "experts", so when production doesn't meet expectations, there is usually something below the surface and not all that obvious that isn't getting the pub it should. That's not to suggest I'm always right b/c I'm not. But just like you said, opportunities like this keep you from either desperate trades or targeting these "buy-lows". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,057 Posted October 13, 2011 It's not Ryan, it's the O-line... They are pathetic this year and the coaching staff is to blame for not making sure to get everyone back from last year. As good as Julio Jones may be, you dont trade your entire draft for one player, EVER! He is focking useless if your QB is on the ground every play. Dimitrioff sh!t the bed on that deal. I agree that the Jones trade was fockin' retarded, but it doesn't explain why Ryan is struggling so badly this year. If/when the Falcons are lacking quality depth down the road because of all the picks they gave up in the Jones trade, then you can blame that on this year's draft. But as for this season, Ryan has a pretty solid and well built team around him. He has failed with it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matt Mueller 146 Posted October 13, 2011 Anyone rolling with Ryan this week? He's was my only qb in a 12 teamer, spent $11 in a $200 auction, but I just picked up Flacco too. Its either: Ryan vs Carolina or Flacco vs Houston I think I'm gonna stick with Ryan for the week. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SameSongNDance 0 Posted October 13, 2011 I've been watching Roddy closely all year. I quickly realized something wasn't right..he wasn't gaining any separation. This is my first year as an owner and I'm really ticked off about this injury. I feel like he needs a week off so he can really get back to 100%. Somehow though, the dude is still tied for second in receptions with Maclin (32). He's also second in targets (54). When he finally does get healthy that will translate to better weekly production which can only help Ryan. I don't want to go as far to say that Ryan's fantasy value is solely dictated by the play of Roddy but he's been a huge part of Ryan's maturation in the NFL. I'm with The Football Guru on this one, more light should have been shed on Roddy's injury and how it's been effecting Ryan. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745 Posted October 13, 2011 Anyone rolling with Ryan this week? He's was my only qb in a 12 teamer, spent $11 in a $200 auction, but I just picked up Flacco too. Its either: Ryan vs Carolina or Flacco vs Houston I think I'm gonna stick with Ryan for the week. I've started Ryan every week thus far... he was the only QB on my roster (just picked up Cutler and Smith of the wire) but I'm gonna roll with him again. He's gotta torch the Panthers... right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NICK33 0 Posted October 13, 2011 You would think he would torch them. Please let this be the week he snaps out of it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reality 3,118 Posted October 13, 2011 You would think he would torch them. Please let this be the week he snaps out of it Banged up Roddy & Jones already ruled out.... Good luck.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cnasty 5 Posted October 13, 2011 With the system that he's in (Mike Mularkey's offense), he will never be a fantasy stud. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
