titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745 Posted November 3, 2011 Focusing in on the nuclear capability statement (which is somewhat disingenuous to assume that once a country tests a nuclear weapon it's done and can't pursue more capability) ignores the larger, and far more profound, point, which is that this is an economic war moreso then a military one. Whoever has the most cash can build the most exploding devices. Cain understands how international relations is going to be played out in the remainder of the 21st century. The poignant question is: who else does? If you read Cain's comments and seriously think that Cain has the first clue of what he is talking about, you are a sheep. First of all, we already have enough nukes to turn China into a glow in the dark crater 100 times over. Secondly, Cain did mention that our economy is a bit more than double the size of its Chinese counterpart. Now, taking into account that they have something in the neghborhood of three times as many people as we do... Cain is the most clueless fool I've seen run for President in a long time. I hope he wins the nomonation, Obama will eat him for lunch in debates. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,158 Posted November 3, 2011 Herman Cain has done more in his lifetime than all you schmucks combined. He's no dumbass. He was black man raised in Atlanta to a housewife and a janitor/barber/chaffeur driver father. He grew up poor. Despite that Cain graduated from Morehouse College in 1967 with a Bachelor of Science degree in mathematics. Then was accepted for graduate studies at Purdue, Cain received a Masters in computer science. While in graduate school he also worked full-time as a ballistics analyst for the U.S. Department of the Navy. After that he went into business moving up the corporate ladder and ended up being the CEO of a national company as well as civic duty like serving as a member of the board of directors of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City. Herman Cain IS the American Dream. He also was diagnosed with Stage IV cancer (2006) in his colon and metastases to his liver and given a 30-percent chance of survival. He beat it. But yeah, let's take sentences in a story and debate the semantics of them then call this man a dumbass. Candidates (as well as Presidents) are interveiwed, debated, and make speeches all day every focking day. They're going to make mistakes, mis-speak, or stumble from time to time. They all do it, and with 24 hour news cycles, blogs, and internet sites full of wanna-be's like this one it all comes out. You people should be ashamed of yourselves. What you should be doing is striving to achieve 1/10th of what Herman Cain has done with his life. If Cain is a 'Dumbass' then what the hell that does that make you? And yeah, Obama might 'eat his lunch' in a debate. Do you know why? Because Obama is a career "community organizer" and politican. He was bread by Chicago liberal elite political machine to slick talk his way into office. Well good for him. But right now we don't need no focking slick politician. We need somebody from outside of Washington D.C.. We need some real hope and change, not that made up slick Barrack crap. :spikesfootball: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanXIII 8 Posted November 3, 2011 Herman Cain has done more in his lifetime than all you schmucks combined. He's no dumbass. He was black man raised in Atlanta to a housewife and a janitor/barber/chaffeur driver father. He grew up poor. Despite that Cain graduated from Morehouse College in 1967 with a Bachelor of Science degree in mathematics. Then was accepted for graduate studies at Purdue, Cain received a Masters in computer science. While in graduate school he also worked full-time as a ballistics analyst for the U.S. Department of the Navy. After that he went into business moving up the corporate ladder and ended up being the CEO of a national company as well as civic duty like serving as a member of the board of directors of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City. Herman Cain IS the American Dream. He also was diagnosed with Stage IV cancer (2006) in his colon and metastases to his liver and given a 30-percent chance of survival. He beat it. But yeah, let's take sentences in a story and debate the semantics of them then call this man a dumbass. Candidates (as well as Presidents) are interveiwed, debated, and make speeches all day every focking day. They're going to make mistakes, mis-speak, or stumble from time to time. They all do it, and with 24 hour news cycles, blogs, and internet sites full of wanna-be's like this one it all comes out. You people should be ashamed of yourselves. What you should be doing is striving to achieve 1/10th of what Herman Cain has done with his life. If Cain is a 'Dumbass' then what the hell that does that make you? I was going to get all offended until I read your disclaimer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SUXBNME 1,583 Posted November 4, 2011 Herman Cain has done more in his lifetime than all you schmucks combined. He's no dumbass. He was black man raised in Atlanta to a housewife and a janitor/barber/chaffeur driver father. He grew up poor. Despite that Cain graduated from Morehouse College in 1967 with a Bachelor of Science degree in mathematics. Then was accepted for graduate studies at Purdue, Cain received a Masters in computer science. While in graduate school he also worked full-time as a ballistics analyst for the U.S. Department of the Navy. After that he went into business moving up the corporate ladder and ended up being the CEO of a national company as well as civic duty like serving as a member of the board of directors of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City. Herman Cain IS the American Dream. He also was diagnosed with Stage IV cancer (2006) in his colon and metastases to his liver and given a 30-percent chance of survival. He beat it. But yeah, let's take sentences in a story and debate the semantics of them then call this man a dumbass. Candidates (as well as Presidents) are interveiwed, debated, and make speeches all day every focking day. They're going to make mistakes, mis-speak, or stumble from time to time. They all do it, and with 24 hour news cycles, blogs, and internet sites full of wanna-be's like this one it all comes out. You people should be ashamed of yourselves. What you should be doing is striving to achieve 1/10th of what Herman Cain has done with his life. If Cain is a 'Dumbass' then what the hell that does that make you? And yeah, Obama might 'eat his lunch' in a debate. Do you know why? Because Obama is a career "community organizer" and politican. He was bread by Chicago liberal elite political machine to slick talk his way into office. Well good for him. But right now we don't need no focking slick politician. We need somebody from outside of Washington D.C.. We need some real hope and change, not that made up slick Barrack crap. :spikesfootball: Is he better than Tiger? At least you have found a new ass to sniff I like Cain Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BunnysBastatrds 2,538 Posted November 4, 2011 Who likes the nuke race? A show of hands.............And who thinks China is anywhere close to us? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 5,388 Posted November 4, 2011 I appreciate Cain's life story and respect him for it. Unfortunately, he's dead wrong on too many things and grossly uniformed on others. I haven't seen anything I like. Consequently, I couldn't imagine the metamorphosis that would be required to get me to vote for him. On the upside, he's got a significantly better chance of crawling out of the "no way in hell" bin than Bachmann or santorum who are both glued/stapled/stitched to the bottom. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Little Rusty 18 Posted November 4, 2011 Herman Cain has done more in his lifetime than all you schmucks combined. He's no dumbass. He was black man raised in Atlanta to a housewife and a janitor/barber/chaffeur driver father. He grew up poor. Despite that Cain graduated from Morehouse College in 1967 with a Bachelor of Science degree in mathematics. Then was accepted for graduate studies at Purdue, Cain received a Masters in computer science. While in graduate school he also worked full-time as a ballistics analyst for the U.S. Department of the Navy. After that he went into business moving up the corporate ladder and ended up being the CEO of a national company as well as civic duty like serving as a member of the board of directors of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City. Herman Cain IS the American Dream. He also was diagnosed with Stage IV cancer (2006) in his colon and metastases to his liver and given a 30-percent chance of survival. He beat it. But yeah, let's take sentences in a story and debate the semantics of them then call this man a dumbass. Candidates (as well as Presidents) are interveiwed, debated, and make speeches all day every focking day. They're going to make mistakes, mis-speak, or stumble from time to time. They all do it, and with 24 hour news cycles, blogs, and internet sites full of wanna-be's like this one it all comes out. You people should be ashamed of yourselves. What you should be doing is striving to achieve 1/10th of what Herman Cain has done with his life. If Cain is a 'Dumbass' then what the hell that does that make you? And yeah, Obama might 'eat his lunch' in a debate. Do you know why? Because Obama is a career "community organizer" and politican. He was bread by Chicago liberal elite political machine to slick talk his way into office. Well good for him. But right now we don't need no focking slick politician. We need somebody from outside of Washington D.C.. We need some real hope and change, not that made up slick Barrack crap. :spikesfootball: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
donhaas 18 Posted November 4, 2011 Right-Wingers Horrified to Discover That Conservative Movement is Seriously Crazy By: Blue Texan Friday November 4, 2011 10:30 am The complete implosion of the Secessionist on the national stage and the subsequent rise of the Pizza Guy has just been too much for some wingers to take. They’re looking at those polls showing the Pizza Guy still leading Willard, and wondering how the hell they came to be totally surrounded by crazy people. Rick Moran: 30 years ago, he [Cain] would probably have been dismissed as an inexperienced crackpot. It’s not a question of his “averageness” or even his jaw dropping ignorance of vital foreign policy issues that makes his candidacy so troubling. Rather, it is the embrace by those who call themselves “conservative” that should have alarm bells ringing across the right from those who value bedrock conservative principles. Rod Dreher: You wouldn’t trust an amateur to spay your cat or to give you sound investment advice for your 401(K) — yet there are millions of Republians who think an avuncular amateur like Herman Cain would do a great job as president of the United States, or at least a better job than Jon Huntsman, Mitt Romney, Ron Paul, or anybody else on offer who has actually worked in politics. I’m not thrilled with these choices either, but come on, what is wrong with us? Dan Riehl: This isn’t a serious political movement right now, it’s a clown show, one with which I’m coming to resent being affiliated. Apparently, these guys have been sleepwalking for oh, the past couple decades or so. http://firedoglake.com/2011/11/04/right-wingers-horrified-to-discover-that-conservative-movement-is-seriously-crazy/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted November 4, 2011 Right-Wingers Horrified to Discover That Conservative Movement is Seriously Crazy By: Blue Texan Friday November 4, 2011 10:30 am The complete implosion of the Secessionist on the national stage and the subsequent rise of the Pizza Guy has just been too much for some wingers to take. They’re looking at those polls showing the Pizza Guy still leading Willard, and wondering how the hell they came to be totally surrounded by crazy people. Rick Moran: 30 years ago, he [Cain] would probably have been dismissed as an inexperienced crackpot. It’s not a question of his “averageness” or even his jaw dropping ignorance of vital foreign policy issues that makes his candidacy so troubling. Rather, it is the embrace by those who call themselves “conservative” that should have alarm bells ringing across the right from those who value bedrock conservative principles. Rod Dreher: You wouldn’t trust an amateur to spay your cat or to give you sound investment advice for your 401(K) — yet there are millions of Republians who think an avuncular amateur like Herman Cain would do a great job as president of the United States, or at least a better job than Jon Huntsman, Mitt Romney, Ron Paul, or anybody else on offer who has actually worked in politics. I’m not thrilled with these choices either, but come on, what is wrong with us? Dan Riehl: This isn’t a serious political movement right now, it’s a clown show, one with which I’m coming to resent being affiliated. Apparently, these guys have been sleepwalking for oh, the past couple decades or so. http://firedoglake.com/2011/11/04/right-wingers-horrified-to-discover-that-conservative-movement-is-seriously-crazy/ If Cain is an amateur, what in gods name would you call obama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reality 3,121 Posted November 4, 2011 If Cain is an amateur, what in gods name would you call obama It is sort of amazing how these certified retards who put this unqualified community organizer in the Whitehouse have opinions on other people. Maybe we shouldn't take their opinions too seriously. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanXIII 8 Posted November 4, 2011 It is sort of amazing how these certified retards who put this unqualified community organizer in the Whitehouse have opinions on other people. Maybe we shouldn't take their opinions too seriously. The door swings both ways, ie, it's sort of amazing how these certified retards who bemoaned putting an unqualified community organizer in the Whitehouse suddenly think it might be a good idea to replace him with an unqualified pizza guy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanXIII 8 Posted November 4, 2011 If Cain is an amateur, what in gods name would you call obama Not speaking for don but I think Obama's been a pretty awful president on balance and I don't think he has done enough to deserve re-election. That doesn't mean I would vote for one of this cast of idiots. I am really hoping the GOP unearths someone (and quick) who not only can beat Obama, but who might actually be a better president than him. With the exception maybe of Romney (though it's hard to trust Romney given how many times he has changed his stances on various issues) the GOP hasn't provided one. I remain hopeful. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hoytdwow 202 Posted November 4, 2011 unqualified community organizer Obama served in the IL state legislature and was a US Senator for god's sake. Experience in government. Yes it's bad to be a "career politician" but you have to know how government works to be president. Cain has none of this. how is Gingrich qualified? Ron Paul? Rick Perry? Romney? Because they have experience in government. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DankNuggs 305 Posted November 4, 2011 Not speaking for don but I think Obama's been a pretty awful president on balance and I don't think he has done enough to deserve re-election. That doesn't mean I would vote for one of this cast of idiots. I am really hoping the GOP unearths someone (and quick) who not only can beat Obama, but who might actually be a better president than him. With the exception maybe of Romney (though it's hard to trust Romney given how many times he has changed his stances on various issues) the GOP hasn't provided one. I remain hopeful. Its funny you require some messiah to replace a guy who has been a flat out DISASTER... Seriously, ANY of the republican candidates would do a better job at getting the economy going, making quality of life better for everyone (as opposed to only helping the favored special interests, favored wall st guys, favored 'green energy' ..etc) Voting for Obama is voting to claw onto the status quo...Its just fact. His new jobs plan is to turn some army base into a tourist memorial..and also has a multi bil stim package to his favored union teachers and firefighters... Enough is enough...your OUT! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanXIII 8 Posted November 4, 2011 Its funny you require some messiah to replace a guy who has been a flat out DISASTER... Seriously, ANY of the republican candidates would do a better job at getting the economy going, making quality of life better for everyone (as opposed to only helping the favored special interests, favored wall st guys, favored 'green energy' ..etc) I respect your opinion (obv that is what my post was above, nothing more), but you have no way of KNOWING with any degree of certainty that these guys would be any better than Obama. I'd venture to say that if McCain had won the White House in '08 we'd be saying many of the same things about him that we're saying about Obama right now. His new jobs plan is to turn some army base into a tourist memorial..and also has a multi bil stim package to his favored union teachers and firefighters... Enough is enough...your OUT! I guess this is 100% true of you completely ignore the rest of the jobs plan Obama put forward In any case, Obama could put forward a "jobs bill" that contained nothing but the elimination of corporate taxes and the idiots in the House would STILL oppose it because their sole mission is to oppose any and everything Obama proposes. This post is full of facts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanXIII 8 Posted November 4, 2011 Meanwhile, back at the thread topic... Cain now says he is considering suing Politico for breaking the sexual harassment story http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57318387-503544/cain-may-take-legal-action-against-politico-washington-post-says/ How exactly would that work, I wonder? Have they printed anything that was demonstrably false? It seems like a pretty desperate and dangerous move to me. I can't imagine Republican moderates having much sympathy for a candidate who can't weather a simple sexual harassment scandal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reality 3,121 Posted November 4, 2011 Obama served in the IL state legislature and was a US Senator for god's sake. Experience in government. Yes it's bad to be a "career politician" but you have to know how government works to be president. Cain has none of this. how is Gingrich qualified? Ron Paul? Rick Perry? Romney? Because they have experience in government. Voting present doesn't qualify you. HTH Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reality 3,121 Posted November 4, 2011 The door swings both ways, ie, it's sort of amazing how these certified retards who bemoaned putting an unqualified community organizer in the Whitehouse suddenly think it might be a good idea to replace him with an unqualified pizza guy. Interesting, I didn't know Cain had officially won the nomination. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanXIII 8 Posted November 4, 2011 Interesting, I didn't know Cain had officially won the nomination. The same talk vis a vis Obama was being bandied about during the primary season (especially by Hillary Clinton supporters). Are you really this obtuse? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reality 3,121 Posted November 4, 2011 The same talk vis a vis Obama was being bandied about during the primary season (especially by Hillary Clinton supporters). Are you really this obtuse? Horrible analogy. Howard Dean may have made more sense. Obama wasn't the early leader. HTH Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanXIII 8 Posted November 4, 2011 Yes, I really am. K Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 5,388 Posted November 4, 2011 I don't care about Cain's lack of government experience. i voted for Ross to be president -twice- and I just voted for a guy like Cain to be governor of Michigan. The reason I won't vote for Cain is pretty simple: I don't want somebody worse than Obama in there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 5,388 Posted November 4, 2011 Horrible analogy. Howard Dean may have made more sense. Obama wasn't the early leader. HTH Howard Dean didn't run in 2008 against Obama, he ran in 2004 against Kerry. HTH Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanXIII 8 Posted November 4, 2011 I don't care about Cain's lack of government experience. i voted for Ross to be president -twice- and I just voted for a guy like Cain to be governor of Michigan. The reason I won't vote for Cain is pretty simple: I don't want somebody worse than Obama in there. Pretty much sums it up for me as well. What's so hilarious is that so many are just defending this moron in knee-jerk fashion. I don't get it. It's like they take it personally when you point out Cain's absurdity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 5,388 Posted November 4, 2011 The latest ABC News/Wash Post poll looks like this: Romney 25% Cain 23% Perry 14% Gingrich 12% Paul 9% So it seems Cain isn't slipping too much with his 'scandal.' Romney passed him but they are within the margin of error. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hoytdwow 202 Posted November 5, 2011 Voting present doesn't qualify you. HTH ok, so it disqualifies Gingrich and Paul as well, as they've surely done that in their careers (they all have). Good to know. Would you rate Obama's law degree w/speciality in Constitutional Law as higher qualification than Gingrich's PhD in History or no? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SUXBNME 1,583 Posted November 5, 2011 ok, so it disqualifies Gingrich and Paul as well, as they've surely done that in their careers (they all have). Good to know. Would you rate Obama's law degree w/speciality in Constitutional Law as higher qualification than Gingrich's PhD in History or no? Do a little reading on Gingrich before you disqualify him, tardly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 5,388 Posted November 5, 2011 ok, so it disqualifies Gingrich and Paul as well, as they've surely done that in their careers (they all have). Good to know. Would you rate Obama's law degree w/speciality in Constitutional Law as higher qualification than Gingrich's PhD in History or no? First, voting "present" is only an option in the Illinois legislature. Gingrich and Paul would have never had that option. They could, however, get the same effect by not being around when the voting occurs. Considering how many times Ron Paul has been on the losing end of 434-1 votes in his career, you get the feeling that he's not afraid to vote on anything. Second, educational qualifications don't matter. Andrew Johnson had no formal education and was illiterate into his adult years until he was taught to read and write by his wife, yet he went on to become president. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hoytdwow 202 Posted November 5, 2011 First, voting "present" is only an option in the Illinois legislature. Gingrich and Paul would have never had that option. The House may vote by electronic device. Members vote by inserting a plastic voting card, which doubles as a photo ID, into terminals located on the backs of seats in the House chamber. The member presses a red button to vote "No, "a green button to vote "Aye," and a yellow button to vote "Present." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 5,388 Posted November 5, 2011 Well I guess you're right. It's just never used in the US Congress except to recuse yourself so as to avoid accusations of a conflict of interest. Otherwise nobody votes "present." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hoytdwow 202 Posted November 5, 2011 Well I guess you're right. It's just never used in the US Congress except to recuse yourself so as to avoid accusations of a conflict of interest. Otherwise nobody votes "present." you need to go to the library or something...they vote present all the time, including entire blocs of congressmen as protests, or procedural fock off type votes. This was the first thing that popped up on google. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 5,388 Posted November 5, 2011 you need to go to the library or something...they vote present all the time, including entire blocs of congressmen as protests, or procedural fock off type votes. This was the first thing that popped up on google. I'm not going to go to the library because I don't give a fock. I don't care that Obama voted that way in in Illinois because it's common in Illinois. Or when/if it's used in Washington because it's seldom used in Washington. There are a ton of issues that I give a rats ass about, abortion being at the top of that list. I'd be all over the "present" option myself unless one side or the other bought my vote with a postage stamp or a really nice paper clip. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hoytdwow 202 Posted November 5, 2011 I'm not going to go to the library because I don't give a fock. and yet you keep posting as if you're knowledgeable on these matters. Typical geek club Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gocolts 300 Posted November 5, 2011 The last thing the libs want is a successful black President who is Republican following an unsuccessful back President who is Democrat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 5,388 Posted November 5, 2011 The last thing the libs want is a successful black President who is Republican following an unsuccessful back President who is Democrat. If we ever get back around to having a successful president -of any affiliation- I'll rejoice. In the mean time, I may have to settle for a known bad president. If the options were are presented with a year from now are "more of the same" or "Herman Cain", I'll chose "more of the same" with a quickness. Cain is so full of bad ideas that we're better off with what we have now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reality 3,121 Posted November 5, 2011 K About what I figured from you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reality 3,121 Posted November 5, 2011 Howard Dean didn't run in 2008 against Obama, he ran in 2004 against Kerry. HTH Yea... He was in the lead early would be the point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reality 3,121 Posted November 5, 2011 ok, so it disqualifies Gingrich and Paul as well, as they've surely done that in their careers (they all have). Good to know. Would you rate Obama's law degree w/speciality in Constitutional Law as higher qualification than Gingrich's PhD in History or no? Community Organizer with an impressive ability to vote present.. Awesome qualifications. Of course we are seeing first hand what happens when you have to be trained on the job.. Not pretty. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nikki2200 4 Posted November 5, 2011 The same talk vis a vis Obama was being bandied about during the primary season (especially by Hillary Clinton supporters). Are you really this obtuse? Hillary won the popular vote so what do you mean? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nikki2200 4 Posted November 5, 2011 The last thing the libs want is a successful black President who is Republican following an unsuccessful back President who is Democrat. Why? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites