LSU/Alabama rematch for the National Championship.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Until there is a playoff NCAA football will be a joke without a true national champion.

 

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-t25-bcschampionship

[Joey Gladstone 33]

Old news

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Did someone already post a thread on this?

[roroco 75]

I won't watch college football because of this crap. It goes against the competitive nature of this sports fan.

[Joey Gladstone 33]

Did someone already post a thread on this?

 

Sorry, I was talking about NCAA football and the BCS being a complete joke.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Sorry, I was talking about NCAA football and the BCS being a complete joke.

 

 

Gotcha.

 

NCAA football is fun to watch. Not deciding a champion on the field is a fukking joke.

[stonewall 647]

Alabama didn't even win their conference. Everybody scared of O-State Cowboys.

[Durtee 0]

 

Gotcha.

 

NCAA football is fun to watch. Not deciding a champion on the field is a fukking joke.

 

[Flgatorguy87 160]

Alabama didn't even win their conference. Everybody scared of O-State Cowboys.

 

Ya, Iowa State was pretty scared as well.

 

It's pretty tough to win your conference when the conference leader is undefeated.

 

Who should be playing against LSU?

[VinegarStrokes 0]

Not to throw fuel on the fire. But for the last few years they have tried putting other conference champions against the SEC champs, and it has not worked out for the other conferences.

 

Who in your opinion is the second best team in the country?

[Durtee 0]

Ya, Iowa State was pretty scared as well.

 

It's pretty tough to win your conference when the conference leader is undefeated.

 

Who should be playing against LSU?

 

That's a good point.

 

Alabama's only loss was to the #1 team in the country who just happens to play in their conference. I think they got this one right, but I would still like to see a playoff.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Not to throw fuel on the fire. But for the last few years they have tried putting other conference champions against the SEC champs, and it has not worked out for the other conferences.

 

Who in your opinion is the second best team in the country?

They put Alabama up against LSU earlier this year.

[p00h 85]

penn st vs. youngstown state. That's wack. Penn st. should have just excused themselves from bowls, but then thats not fair to the kids on teh team that have nothing to do with the drama. Just a terrible situation, damned if you do, damned if you don't. I'd be insulted with that bowl if I was on that team though...

[Junkie 0]

Not to throw fuel on the fire. But for the last few years they have tried putting other conference champions against the SEC champs, and it has not worked out for the other conferences.

 

Who in your opinion is the second best team in the country?

 

 

I agree with this. LSU and Alabama are the two best teams. Shouldn't the championship game be between the two best teams? Everyone agrees that LSU is the best, but Alabama outplayed them in almost every phase of the game except for special teams. I can't wait for the rematch. Oklahoma State lost to an unranked team that didn't even have a winning record. How do they deserve to be there ahead of Alabama?

[murf74 461]

penn st vs. youngstown state. That's wack. Penn st. should have just excused themselves from bowls, but then thats not fair to the kids on teh team that have nothing to do with the drama. Just a terrible situation, damned if you do, damned if you don't. I'd be insulted with that bowl if I was on that team though...

 

Disappointed psu didn't get a game relative to their record....is it really ysu thats a joke

[stonewall 647]

Ya, Iowa State was pretty scared as well.

They won the game in double OT the same day as the OSU plane crash tragedy. Also, a 4th quarter OSU field goal was called no good that was very questionable. Iowa State wins that game once in one hundred tries.

 

It's pretty tough to win your conference when the conference leader is undefeated.

Be that as it may.....the fact remains.

 

Who should be playing against LSU?

OSU and Alabama both lost one game......both in OT. OSU beat 5 top 25 teams...Bama beat 2. O-State has earned the chance....... it will likely never have it again.

[murf74 461]

Alabama had their chance. They lost. Poor choice

[Flgatorguy87 160]

 

OSU and Alabama both lost one game......both in OT. OSU beat 5 top 25 teams...Bama beat 2. O-State has earned the chance....... it will likely never have it again.

 

I think you are misremembering... They beat Penn State, Florida, Arkansas, and Auburn, and the only competitive game they were involved in all year was against the undisputed best team in the country in a game they should have won. If OSU is so good then they shouldn't loose to a below average team. They are a very exciting team to watch, I admit that, but they are defensively flawed and would be an underdog against either SEC team. Not saying that's everything, but that tells me something from people who make a lot of money to predict those things.

 

If OSU looses a close game to a good OU team, then I have no problem letting them have the matchup...but they lost to a terrible team and that's s fact, no matter the circumstances. These are the 2 best teams this year...end of story.

[ZeroTolerance 584]

I think you are misremembering... They beat Penn State, Florida, Arkansas, and Auburn...

They beat #22 Penn St (9-3), #10 Arkansas (10-2)...and then their only other win against a team with even a winning record was #25 Auburn (7-5). Sorry, you don't get to add Florida to anyone's list of quality wins. The Gators went 6-6, and their best win of the year was...Kentucky? Vanderbilt? Florida beat exactly ZERO teams with a winning record, and ONE team that was even .500.

 

And herein lies a large part of the problem. Everyone likes to rate the quality of your win based on where that team was ranked when you played them. So when a team like Florida starts the season highly over-ranked, people say "Hey, you beat #12 Florida!" when in actuality the Gators were mediocre at best.

[Flgatorguy87 160]

So your big argument is that because Florida was .500 Alabama can't go the the NC? I guess that makes sense?

[cbfalcon 827]

I'm rooting for Bama to win in overtime on a bogus call.

 

Then for the AP to unanimously vote LSU #1.

 

[ZeroTolerance 584]

So your big argument is that because Florida was .500 Alabama can't go the the NC? I guess that makes sense?

 

You responded to the guy who pointed out Alabama having fewer quality wins by saying:

 

I think you are misremembering... They beat Penn State, Florida, Arkansas, and Auburn

 

I pointed out that your argument that he 'misremembered' was based on faulty reasoning, and then related your faulty reasoning to the same nonsense that we get fed by the media, and the same half-assed reasoning that most of these voters use, where your win is impressive as long as the team was ranked high at the time, regardless of how good the team turned out to be. But nice try at spinning my statement.

[NE-TheGoodLife 0]

I will only bring this up since it affected Nebraska back in 2003. If everyone remembers Nebraska got in against Miami (which should have never happened). Nebraska got waxed by Colorado and then slipped in because of how all the confernece cahampionship games ended up. Not right but that was how the system was setup for the BCS at the time. After that season, wasn't the Nebraska rule added that you had to win your conference to be eligible to play for the National Championship? Not for sure, just want someone else's opinion on this. If this is in fact the truth, then how does this matchup even happen?

 

 

I do believe LSU and Alabama are the two best teams with OSU a close third. I also think Alabama had their shot. But really don't care, it will be another great game.

[ZeroTolerance 584]

I will only bring this up since it affected Nebraska back in 2003. If everyone remembers Nebraska got in against Miami (which should have never happened). Nebraska got waxed by Colorado and then slipped in because of how all the confernece cahampionship games ended up. Not right but that was how the system was setup for the BCS at the time. After that season, wasn't the Nebraska rule added that you had to win your conference to be eligible to play for the National Championship? Not for sure, just want someone else's opinion on this. If this is in fact the truth, then how does this matchup even happen?

 

 

I do believe LSU and Alabama are the two best teams with OSU a close third. I also think Alabama had their shot. But really don't care, it will be another great game.

I don't recall if they put that rule in, but it would have been out shortly afterward as Oklahoma got in right after that despite getting blown out in the Big 12 title game by Kansas State.

[kthune2003 0]

The BCS finally lined up a championship game where an SEC team will lose. That must make some big 10 homers happy.

[Flgatorguy87 160]

There was no try to spin anything...did you happen to run through the OSU schedule using the same logic...or just decide to side with the others?

 

All of that is neither here nor there...here are the facts.

 

OSU lost a game to a bad team at the wrong time. Good teams don't loose games like that. There is zero room for debate in that fact. If you want to whine, then so be it, but win the damn game and you don't have to lobby or "spin" anything.

 

People whine every year that there is an unfair SEC bias, and there probably is, but each year they win and each year they pump out the pro talent. It's hard to argue with that...although I am sure you will.

 

I live in SEC country always have, always will, and thusly I have heard every damn whiney PAC, Big 10, Big 12 argument there is to hear, and all I have to say is SOUR GRAPES.

[NE-TheGoodLife 0]

It seams as the BCS has evolved it goes closer and closer to a playoff system without actually taking that step. OSU has an argument just like Alabama. But the subjective side of the voters having a hardon for the SEC Conference is pretty sickening. Not to say the SEC has not performed. Five straight National Titles is absolutely sick.

 

 

I also think OSU made a pretty stout staement last night against OU, but I was not that high on OU as everyone has been this season. Just like Nebraska being at #10 at the beginning of the season. Way too high for what we lost last year and the youth we have all over the field. Right now we are #20. That is where I think we should be. That is also over the entire season. What I do see happening with a couple of teams year after year is the media and voters continuing to put teams higher for the most part higher than they should just of circumstance or the perceived level of talent. Texas was a good example this year being 7-4 and still being in the top 25 this week before getting their asses handed to them by a very good Baylor team.

 

 

I guess my mumbling means there is not a perfect system when the human element is involved. Probably will never change though.

[ZeroTolerance 584]

There was no try to spin anything...did you happen to run through the OSU schedule using the same logic...or just decide to side with the others?

I'll respond to this and then move on as any further discussion is likely pointless.

 

Oklahoma St wins:

 

#12 Baylor (9-3) by 35

@ #8 Kansas State (10-2) by 7

#14 Oklahoma (9-3) by 34

@ #24 Texas (7-5) by 12

 

Alabama wins:

 

@ #22 Penn St (9-3) by 16

#6 Arkansas (10-2) by 24

@ #25 Auburn (7-5) by 28

[p00h 85]

dudes, without a playoff, these arguments will go on in a circular fashion till the end of time. Don't do it to yourselves. And just so you know, even with a playoff, there's no guarantee the top 2 teams FOR THE YEAR end up in the championship game. Till we have championship, this is best we got. And when we get championship, the national champ will be defined by who got hot enough late in the season. Thats the beauty of sports though...

[JT 137]

Ya, Iowa State was pretty scared as well.

 

It's pretty tough to win your conference when the conference leader is undefeated.

 

Who should be playing against LSU?

 

Oregon lost to LSU and dropped multiple spots in the polls.

 

Every Top 10 team in the country that lost dropped multiple spots in the polls. Except Alabama.

 

Every team that beat a Top 12 opponent moved up in the polls. Except Oklahoma State.

 

Strength of schedule: OSU #10, LSU #16, Alabama #38

 

OSU beat 4 teams in the Top 10 SOS. Alabama beat 3.

 

Alabama already lost to LSU.

 

Oklahoma State should be playing.

[ZeroTolerance 584]

dudes, without a playoff, these arguments will go on in a circular fashion till the end of time. Don't do it to yourselves. And just so you know, even with a playoff, there's no guarantee the top 2 teams FOR THE YEAR end up in the championship game. Till we have championship, this is best we got. And when we get championship, the national champ will be defined by who got hot enough late in the season. Thats the beauty of sports though...

We will never get a playoff. There is literally no argument that would convince the NCAA to change things, as they have consistently proven, and they will make up every excuse possible, even if the excuse makes no sense or is entirely hypocritical. "We can't have a playoff, that would take these student athletes out of the classroom for too long", meanwhile other divisions have, you guessed it, playoffs. Then there is the "every week is a playoff!" line, claiming it would be a bigger health risk for players, it would require the season to run longer, etc, etc. The NCAA and the bowl system have the biggest old boy's network in sports.

[gocolts 300]

I'll respond to this and then move on as any further discussion is likely pointless.

 

Oklahoma St wins:

 

#12 Baylor (9-3) by 35

@ #8 Kansas State (10-2) by 7

#14 Oklahoma (9-3) by 34

@ #24 Texas (7-5) by 12

 

Alabama wins:

 

@ #22 Penn St (9-3) by 16

#6 Arkansas (10-2) by 24

@ #25 Auburn (7-5) by 28

This argument needs to stop being used. I am going to tell you right now, I opened this thread thinking Alabama had no business whatsoever in the Championship game. After reading your post and a couple of others, I am not so sure. So it is most definitely not pointless my friend.

[Gepetto 1,454]

The only solution is to stop caring and stop watching.

[p.man 7]

Not that it matters but Alabama started the year at #1. Didn't they?

They won every game except vs LSU who if I remember right was #2 at the time. I could be wrong...

Alabama controled that game and had them beat a few times in that game. Their kicker missed 4 fg's.

 

No doubt in my mind that Alabama and LSU are the two best teams in the country.

[JtmoneyJag 25]

There will be a playoff at some point. Nothing will always be, things will always change. Whether that is the government putting pressure or the old guys with power dieing off, eventually it will happen.

 

Personally, this is the problem. You can make arguments for Oregon, Alabama and OKST and you shouldn't have to because it should be decided on the field. I would love a 16 team playoff, but could live with an 8 team playoff. Make all BCS bowls a playoff game and you still keep all the bowls. So simple... Okay, carry on with the this team beat that team and this team beat this many ranked opponents crap.

[phillybear 366]

Not to throw fuel on the fire. But for the last few years they have tried putting other conference champions against the SEC champs, and it has not worked out for the other conferences.

 

Who in your opinion is the second best team in the country?

 

Oklahoma St

LSU

Stanford

Boise St

Oregon

Alabama

[Flgatorguy87 160]

 

Oklahoma St wins:

 

#12 Baylor (9-3) by 35

@ #8 Kansas State (10-2) by 7

#14 Oklahoma (9-3) by 34

@ #24 Texas (7-5) by 12

 

 

Ok, I'll bite, even though you have yet to comment or find a way to argue away the glaring lose to ISU by Ok St.

 

You use the Florida team as a detriment to Alabama, but you use Texas as a "quality" win? There is nothing quality about Texas, and that's the same logic you complain the others are using. Either way, I use the eyeball test to judge a team. This ranking nonsense is just that. Alabama mowed through their entire scedule like they should have, and then lost a extremely competitive albeit boring game to LSU.

 

Honestly I have no desire to see Bama play, but they are the second best team. I would love to see that high-powered cowboy offense come to a screeching halt, just so people could whine and say " well such and such should have been playing LSU" *see the last 5 years.

[phillybear 366]

Ok, I'll bite, even though you have yet to comment or find a way to argue away the glaring lose to ISU by Ok St.

 

You use the Florida team as a detriment to Alabama, but you use Texas as a "quality" win? There is nothing quality about Texas, and that's the same logic you complain the others are using. Either way, I use the eyeball test to judge a team. This ranking nonsense is just that. Alabama mowed through their entire scedule like they should have, and then lost a extremely competitive albeit boring game to LSU.

 

Honestly I have no desire to see Bama play, but they are the second best team. I would love to see that high-powered cowboy offense come to a screeching halt, just so people could whine and say " well such and such should have been playing LSU" *see the last 5 years.

 

The eyeball test has Oklahoma St vs. Boise St in the championship game. But the ESPN rigged rules won't allow that.

[Dan 66]

The biggest problem with this has nothing to do with Alabama vs. OSU in reference to whom is the better team. It comes simply down to opportunities. Alabama has had an opportunity to beat LSU, and they failed. OSU has not had that chance. In a system without a playoff, then theoretically "every week is a playoff game." Okay, then. The Alabama-LSU question was answered. Unless we're going to a best-of-3 setup.

 

How stupid of a setup is this? How beautiful will it be if Alabama wins on some fluky play, are foisted on us as National Champions, and everyone is forced to ask themselves why the win in January was a better measuring stick than the earlier game between the two, when we are told that "every week is a playoff game," and that's the selling point.

 

FlGatorguy - love to get your thought on that, since you believe that EVERY WEEK COUNTS THE SAME. Clearly flawed assessment, just like the BCS and those who run it.

[Portis26 0]

I think because there is NO playoff, a rematch is kInda weak..Let Oky state have a shot, Bama did already and didn't win. Why do they get another shot?