Reasons Obama is a shoe-in for re-election

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I see 16 criteria for comparison (excluding the last three rows), and 8 are different. Is that "strikingly similar"?

 

'Strikingly similar" or "that very same plan", depending on which of his posts you read.

[Bishop82 61]

"Logic clearly dictates that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few." - Lt. Spock

[jerryskids 5,207]

I see 16 criteria for comparison (excluding the last three rows), and 8 are different. Is that "strikingly similar"?

 

Also, upon second look, the comparison chart is for the Senate proposal, not Obamacare. The article states that Obama's proposal is "largely based on" that Senate bill. So, at the risk of being cynical, there may be more than 8 fundamental differences.

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Nixon was a Republican, right?

 

Finally got something right in this thread.

 

Good on you.

[FeelingMN 273]

Finally got something right in this thread.

 

Good on you.

 

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I don't think Republicans are bad...or evil....well, except for Santorum. Don't tell me what's good and bad. Let me decide that.

 

Really, there isn't much difference between the two parties, except that the Republicans have to kowtow to the social conservatives.

 

I think Romney is a stronger candidate than Santorum, it's just frustrating to see Santorum not only sticking around but surging these past few weeks....and near as I can tell he's doing so on social issues.

 

So when I say Right....I'm not really talking about Republicans...I'm talking about the faction that every Republican candidate has to appeal to in order to have a shot at the White House. It would be nice if the Party said....mmmm, we've got other things to worry about. I really don't care if two chicks get married or not. Let's balance the budget, deal with Iran, create a fostering environment for small business, etc.

 

Do that, and I think you appeal to more voters.....in a general election.

 

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Obama dropped the public option out of his healthcare plan which was a huuge concession. Republicans offered no bend and In fact were going further to the right with their proposals. Originally they talked about eliminating pre conditions but the republicans even wanted to scrap that in the end. The republicans offered nothing for the uninsured. The republicans didn't want any healthcare law to pass. Obama's plan was no more liberal than the Nixon plan or the republican plan when the clinton's plan was being fought over. As a matter of fact the unconstitutional mandate was a republican idea created by guys like Gingrich and Hatch. The teaparty drove the debate from the right and it's pretty obvious they wanted no reform.

 

[DAVID RUFFIN 1]

Interesting you say that. It reminded me of something.

 

There was a guy I worked with who was born in the UK and lived there his whole life and then lived in Australia for 15 years. I'll preface this by saying this guy is hardcore cutthroat business man type. He was a VP at the Fortune 200 CPG company I worked for and he was under 40.

 

I was having lunch with him and somehow politics came up. And he said, "I was a conservative my whole life, and I come to America and I'm a focking bleeding heart liberal." He went on to say how he thought the republicans in this country were focking whacko.

 

I get what you are saying. And when people say we are living in a "socialist" country they obviously have no worldy experience whatsoever and spend way too much time reading wingnut conspiracy blogs. I feel the same way. I agree with most of the republican ideals, but I run from associating myself with them and it always seems that I can relate more to the democratic candidate than the republican one, as much as I disagree with things that the democrat might stand for. The republican candidates just seem to be a focking nut jobs to me.

 

 

Look at the Republican nut jobs here.

[IGotWorms 3,317]

Doesn't matter, does it.

 

Zero Republicans voted for Hillarycare in 1993.

 

Zero Republicans voted for Obamacare.

 

 

Zero Democrats voted for Hillarycare in 1993.

 

A majority Democrats voted for Obamacare.

 

So, you tell me who flip-flopped and who didn't change their positions on Govt run healthcare over the years.

 

Your Sunday is starting out as badly for you as your Saturday ended.

 

Typical RP-get your ass handed to you so you change the subject.

 

The issue is not whether the Democrats should have settled for the Republican plan instead of holding out for Hillary's plan. In hindsight it is clear that they should have.

 

The issue is whether Republicans were being disingenuous in their supposed philosophical opposition to everything Obams proposed in the health care debate. Clearly they were.

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Typical RP-get your ass handed to you so you change the subject.

 

The issue is not whether the Democrats should have settled for the Republican plan instead of holding out for Hillary's plan. In hindsight it is clear that they should have.

 

The issue is whether Republicans were being disingenuous in their supposed philosophical opposition to everything Obams proposed in the health care debate. Clearly they were.

 

"Change the subject" You are the one who went back to 1993, not me. I simply pointed out the fact not a single Dem or Rep voted for the plan you brought up, and not a single Rep voted for Obamacare, yet a mojority of Dems flip-flopped on the issue.

 

 

Where did I get my ass handed to me?

 

Was it where you claimed the Reps supported "the very same plan" a decade ago, only to have to go back 20 years to a proposal that never came up for a vote? Was that it?

 

Was it where you claimed the Reps flip-flopped on the issue once it was proposed by a Dem POTUS, only to go back to a proposal in 1993 under a Dem POTUS? Was that it?

 

Was it where you claimed it was "the very same plan", only to bring a link showing vastly different proposals? Was that it?

 

Seriously Dude, you have been all over the place in this thread and are taking a beating. Cut your losses and move on.

[MedStudent 56]

I see 16 criteria for comparison (excluding the last three rows), and 8 are different. Is that "strikingly similar"?

 

I counted 11 the same. Fundamentally (mandate of private insurance) they are the same.

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I counted 11 the same. Fundamentally (mandate of private insurance) they are the same.

8, 11, WTF difference does it make? That was just Worms flailing away in a lame attempt to prove Reps wanted Obamacare a decade ago, oops sorry, 20 years ago, but didn't a couple years ago just because a Dem POTUS proposed Obamacare.

[jerryskids 5,207]

I counted 11 the same. Fundamentally (mandate of private insurance) they are the same.

I included the 3 that both said "yes," but then had text to explain how they are different. Because those would be... different?

[IGotWorms 3,317]

I counted 11 the same. Fundamentally (mandate of private insurance) they are the same.

 

Precisely. The idea of going through private insurers with an individual mandate is a REPUBLICAN idea.

 

If we were going with an original DEMOCRAT idea, then the whole thing would be run by the government and paid for with taxes. The private insurers would be cut out.

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If we were going with an original DEMOCRAT idea, then the whole thing would be run by the government and paid for with taxes. The private insurers would be cut out.

 

Obamacare was an origninal DEMOCRAT idea.

 

Obamacare was passed without a single Republican vote. Only Dems voted for it. They had vast majorities in both houses of Congress.

 

So, why didn't your beloved Dems pass something where the whole thing would be run by the govt?

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I included the 3 that both said "yes," but then had text to explain how they are different. Because those would be... different?

 

Lol. If you don't think those plans are very similar you are simply ignorant.

[IGotWorms 3,317]

Lol. If you don't think those plans are very similar you are simply ignorant.

 

He knows they're similar, he just doesn't want to admit it. It doesn't fit with the narrative that Obama is trying to foist socialized medicine on an unwilling public.

[jerryskids 5,207]

Lol. If you don't think those plans are very similar you are simply ignorant.

 

Lolzr. I don't remember the details of the 93 proposal, and I was an adult. You were what, 8 yrs old? I'm pretty sure you don't remember them and you're getting your talking points elsewhere. To play along: just going by the Kaiser link, I see substantive differences, including lifetime caps, coverage for self-employed, extended dependents, and malpractice reform. I'll add another one that wasn't in the table: nobody knew what the fock was in it when they were asked to vote. That may seem like a minor nit, but I kinda think that is important.

 

If you watched a minute of the "kumbaya" discussions Obama had with Republican leaders regarding healthcare, and believed that he had any inclination of listening to anything they had to say, you are simply ignorant.

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If you watched a minute of the "kumbaya" discussions Obama had with Republican leaders regarding healthcare, and believed that he had any inclination of listening to anything they had to say, you are simply ignorant.

 

Arrogant Obama "The campaign is over". Basically, STFU I'm gonna ram this down the throats of America.

 

 

Obama upset cuz the Reps actually brought all 2400 pages of Obamacare to the Healthcare Summit.

 

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Paul Ryan owning Zero, BIGTIME!