Gepetto 1,371 Posted May 23, 2012 http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/pakistani-doctor-helped-cia-osama-bin-laden-jailed-162306132.html The Pakistani doctor who helped the CIA find Osama bin Laden has been sentenced to 33 years in jail for treason. Shakil Afridi, 48, had been accused of running a fake hepatitis B vaccination program, collecting DNA samples reportedly used by U.S. intelligence officers to track bin Laden to Abbottabad, where Navy SEALs killed him in a raid on his compound last year. A tribal court found Afridi guilty of "acting against the state," The New York Times reported. He was sentenced to 33 years in prison and a fine of 320,000 Pakistani rupees, or $3,477, a government official said. Afridi, who was arrested shortly after bin Laden's killing, was sentenced under tribal laws and will serve his jail term in Peshawar in northwestern Pakistan. Tribal laws do not carry the death penalty for treason. According to Reuters, the sentence is "almost certain to further strain ties" between Washington and Pakistan. Following the raid, U.S. officials raised suspicions that Pakistani intelligence may have sheltered bin Laden in Abbottabad. The raid "humiliated" Pakistan, which saw it as a violation of its sovereignty. "Afridi's prison term could complicate efforts to break a deadlock in talks over the re-opening of land routes through Pakistan to U.S.-led NATO forces in Afghanistan, which are crucial for supplies," Reuters said. In January, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta "confirmed that the United States had been working with Dr. Afridi while trying to confirm the location of Bin Laden's compound in Abbottabad," the Times said. "For [Pakistan] to take this kind of action against somebody who was helping to go after terrorism, I just think is a real mistake on their part," Panetta said, according to the paper. According to the BBC, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton had also called for Afridi's release "on the grounds that his work served Pakistani and American interests." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Recliner Pilot 61 Posted May 23, 2012 Did the Obama administration really need to out this guy? Gonna be kinda hard to get people to work with us in these shithole countries if they know their identity will be exposed when Obama spikes the football. Also, cutoff every fukking dollar going to Pakistan now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casual Observer 597 Posted May 23, 2012 Word. Also, thanks for hanging the doc out to dry Panetta. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,058 Posted May 23, 2012 Far be it from me to defend Pakistan, but the article says a tribal court did this. So doesn't that mean it wasn't officially sanctioned by the government of Pakistan? (Granted, the government probably could have intervened if it really wanted to) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gepetto 1,371 Posted May 23, 2012 Far be it from me to defend Pakistan, but the article says a tribal court did this. So doesn't that mean it wasn't officially sanctioned by the government of Pakistan? (Granted, the government probably could have intervened if it really wanted to) Might that not be any different than if in the U.S. a state court did the sentencing? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Recliner Pilot 61 Posted May 23, 2012 First post! From the article in the OP: In January, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta "confirmed that the United States had been working with Dr. Afridi while trying to confirm the location of Bin Laden's compound in Abbottabad," the Times said. He is part of the Obama administration, Sport. HTH Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BLS 314 Posted May 23, 2012 From the article in the OP: He is part of the Obama administration, Sport. HTH AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND..............we're off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Recliner Pilot 61 Posted May 23, 2012 Nah, I'm done destroying him. Quick and easy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,471 Posted May 23, 2012 Nah, I'm done destroying him. Quick and easy. At least I have my life to fall back on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,058 Posted May 23, 2012 Might that not be any different than if in the U.S. a state court did the sentencing? Could be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 541 Posted May 24, 2012 First post! :lol: Leave it to Vagina Pilot. LOLOL You have to give him a break. His wife just left his sorry ass. This is all he has now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Recliner Pilot 61 Posted May 24, 2012 Good luck getting anyone to help us in the future. What a bunch of amateur, attention-seeking children we have running the White House. GOP Rep. Peter King, chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, expressed concern Wednesday about the extent of the Obama administration’s efforts to protect the Pakistan doctor who was sent to prison in Pakistan for treason after helping to find Usama bin Laden. "This has been handled very poorly right from the time of the raid," King told FoxNews.com. Dr. Shakil Afridi ran a vaccination program for the CIA to collect DNA and verify bin Laden's presence at the compound in the town of Abbottabad where U.S. commandos killed the Al Qaeda chief in a May 2011 raid. The operation outraged Pakistani officials, who portrayed it as an act of treachery by a supposed ally. King, R-N.Y., said administration officials talked about the doctor and his DNA sampling. "They put him out there," said King, who made clear he didn't know the exact details about what, if anything, the administration may have done to get the doctor out of Pakistan or otherwise protect him. "I'm focused on that they disclosed his identity." The doctor was sentenced to 33 years in prison on Wednesday for conspiring against the state -- a verdict officials said is likely to further strain the country's relationship with Washington. Senior U.S. officials have called for Dr. Afridi to be released, saying his work served Pakistani and American interests. “What Dr. Afridi did is the furthest thing from treason. It was a courageous, heroic and patriotic act, which helped to locate the most wanted terrorist in the world,” said Sens. John McCain, R-Ariz., and Carl Levin, D-Mich., members of the chamber’s Committee on Armed Services. They also said Dr. Afridi’s actions were consistent with the multiple, legally binding resolutions passed by the United Nations Security Council, which required member states to assist in bringing bin Laden and his Al Qaeda network to justice. They also called upon the Pakistani government to pardon and release Dr. Afridi immediately. A senior U.S. official with knowledge of counter-terrorism operations against Al Qaeda in Pakistan said the doctor was never asked to spy on Pakistan. "He was asked only to help locate Al Qaeda terrorists, who threaten Pakistan and the U.S.," the official told Fox News. "He helped save Pakistani and American lives. His activities were not treasonous, they were heroic and patriotic." But many Pakistani officials, especially those working for the country's powerful spy agency, do not see it that way. "He was working for a foreign spy agency. We are looking after our national interests," said a Pakistani intelligence official, speaking on condition of anonymity in line with the agency's policy. Afridi's conviction comes at a sensitive time because the U.S. is already frustrated by Pakistan's refusal to reopen NATO supply routes to Afghanistan. The supply routes were closed six months ago in retaliation for American air strikes that killed 24 Pakistani soldiers. Afridi was detained sometime after the May 2, 2011, raid, but the start of his trial was never publicized. The U.S. operation severely strained ties with Pakistan. The Pakistani government kicked out U.S. military trainers and limited counter terrorism cooperation with the CIA. The relationship got even worse in November when the U.S. killed the 24 Pakistani soldiers at two posts along the Afghan border, an attack that Washington said was an accident but the Pakistani army insisted was deliberate. Pakistan immediately retaliated by closing the NATO supply routes and kicking the U.S. out of a base used by American drones. Before the attack, the U.S. and other NATO countries fighting in Afghanistan shipped about 30 percent of their nonlethal supplies through Pakistan. Since then, the coalition has used far more expensive routes through Russia and Central Asia. The U.S. has pressed Pakistan to reopen the supply line, but negotiations have been hampered by Washington's refusal to apologize for the attack and stop drone strikes in the country as demanded by Pakistan's parliament. Many observers view the latter demand with skepticism because elements within Pakistan's government and military have supported the attacks in the past. Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/05/23/gop-rep-king-says-obama-officials-disclosed-identity-jailed-pakistani-doctor/#ixzz1vnZeiJNi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 541 Posted May 24, 2012 Good luck getting anyone to help us in the future. What a bunch of amateur, attention-seeking children we have running the White House. Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/05/23/gop-rep-king-says-obama-officials-disclosed-identity-jailed-pakistani-doctor/#ixzz1vnZeiJNi :lol: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Greedo 13 Posted May 24, 2012 Sounds like the SEALS have another job in Pakistan - break a hero out of prison. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Recliner Pilot 61 Posted May 24, 2012 Sounds like the SEALS Rambama has another job in Pakistan - break a hero out of prison. Fixed Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Elevator Killer 558 Posted May 25, 2012 I see that they cut 33 million of aid to Pakistan. Poor things are only getting just under a billion dollars from us. That would be ok if it was a billion dollars in war heads exploding. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gepetto 1,371 Posted May 25, 2012 Why give them anything ever? but especially now? And why are our troops still in the Afganistan? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Moz 69 Posted May 27, 2012 It is easier to count the countries that aren't are enemies than are. Obama is the biggest douche ever for outing this guy - what a dumbass Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paulinstl 296 Posted May 28, 2012 Did the Obama administration really need to out this guy? They didn't. He was arrested months before anyone in the administration commented on him. Here's an article from July 11 2011. He was arrested after Pakistan's official investigation. He was arrested in May 2011. Panetta didn't go on 60 Minutes until July. Pakistani intelligence became aware of the doctor's activities during the investigation into the US raid in which Bin Laden was killed on the top floor of the Abbottabad house. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jul/11/cia-fake-vaccinations-osama-bin-ladens-dna But please don't let facts get in the way. How many years can you keep up this schtick? Doesn't swallowing and blindly regurgitating misinformation from your right wing "news" sources ever get old? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Recliner Pilot 61 Posted May 28, 2012 Please show me where I said they outed him in July during the Panetta 60 Minutes interview. Only people who knew he was working with us were us and him. I guess you think he outed himself. WTF is Panetta confirming on national tv that this guy was working with us before his trial? Kinda fukked his case up for him, dontcha think? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paulinstl 296 Posted May 28, 2012 Please show me where I said they outed him in July during the Panetta 60 Minutes interview. Only people who knew he was working with us were us and him. I guess you think he outed himself. Did the Obama administration really need to out this guy? OK. You didn't specify any time, but you did claim that the administration outed him. Wasn't that the impression you were trying convey? It's right there in your own words. Apparently the Pakistani investigation found the link between the vaccine program and the CIA. The doctor was arrested because of that investigation. Your claim is false. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Recliner Pilot 61 Posted May 28, 2012 OK. You didn't specify any time, but you did claim that the administration outed him. Wasn't that the impression you were trying convey? It's right there in your own words. Apparently the Pakistani investigation found the link between the vaccine program and the CIA. The doctor was arrested because of that investigation. Your claim is false. They outed him, and then publicly confirmed he was working for them prior to his trial. That fukked him out of any chance of beating the charges, dontcha think? Or are you going to ignore this part of the story again? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paulinstl 296 Posted May 28, 2012 I guess I missed where they outed him. I also want to make note that you chose to edit out this part of the Fox article link you posted. “If you go back to the first stories about the doctor’s alleged affiliation with the U.S., it was clear Pakistani authorities leaked it to the press,” the official said. “The Pakistanis found Dr. Afridi on their own There was no attempt to disclose this individual’s name or association with the operation. That defies logic. Identities of human sources are sacrosanct in the intelligence community.” The official also said there were efforts to protect Dr. Afridi both before and after his arrest, but this official did not have an explanation as to why they weren’t able to successfully protect him or remove him from the country before he was arrested. Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/05/23/gop-rep-king-says-obama-officials-disclosed-identity-jailed-pakistani-doctor/#ixzz1wBjwRmBE WOW. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Recliner Pilot 61 Posted May 28, 2012 So, someone in the administration denied they leaked his name. I'm shocked, shocked I tell ya. I guess he outed himself. Once again you ignore the fact Panetta outed him again on national tv before he went to trial. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paulinstl 296 Posted May 28, 2012 So, someone in the administration denied they leaked his name. I'm shocked, shocked I tell ya. I guess he outed himself. Once again you ignore the fact Panetta outed him again on national tv before he went to trial. Why did you omit the part of the article that refuted your original claim? We can do this all day long, but the fact remains that your original statement isn't backed up at all, and was refuted by the administration in the article you yourself linked. I have no idea why Panetta talked about it, but he certainly didn't out the good Dr. as you claimed. I also recall your complete denial that anyone in the Bush admin. leaked Valerie Plame's name, and we know how that turned out. God knows the current admin has made some major mistakes. I think you would be taken a little more seriously if you concentrated on those instead of posting the right wing pablum that you do. Most of which are proven inaccurate or get retracted. Enjoy the rest of your holiday. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Recliner Pilot 61 Posted May 28, 2012 I also recall your complete denial that anyone in the Bush admin. leaked Valerie Plame's name, and we know how that turned out. Wrong again. The entire time people were saying "Cheney to be indicted Tuesday" etc.... I correctly pointed out it was common knowledge Richard Armitage was who leaked her name. Keep trying. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paulinstl 296 Posted May 29, 2012 Wrong again. The entire time people were saying "Cheney to be indicted Tuesday" etc.... I correctly pointed out it was common knowledge Richard Armitage was who leaked her name. Keep trying. One more time I will ask you why did you intentionally omit the part of the article that you posted that made your original claim wrong? I can recall in great detail your complete denial about Plamegate. It has since been proven to be a Rove special. Scooter Libby took the fall and was sentenced to do time in prison, only to get pardoned by Bush. Ironic that you now are on Obama's ass for "outing" a CIA operative, which is complete BS according to your own linked article. In the real world outside of Breitbart, Newsmax, and Fox, exists a reality where both Dems and the GOP fock up. Just once, try to see both sides, and if you can't, which I know won't happen, at least quit being dishonest by posting cherry picked stories which you edit to show only your side, Integrity, catch it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Recliner Pilot 61 Posted May 29, 2012 Scooter Libby took the fall and was sentenced to do time in prison, only to get pardoned by Bush. Wrong again. Bush didn't pardon Libby. O for forever isn't any way to go thru life, Son. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DAVID RUFFIN 2 Posted May 29, 2012 Wrong again. Bush didn't pardon Libby. O for forever isn't any way to go thru life, Son. Bush commuted the sentence, which he called "excessive." But he did not pardon Libby, much to the aggravation of Cheney. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phillybear 366 Posted May 29, 2012 Apparently, Obama can have his yellow cake and eat it. Why wasn't this doctor taken under protection and allowed to live in America under witness protection? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Recliner Pilot 61 Posted May 29, 2012 Bush commuted the sentence, which he called "excessive." But he did not pardon Libby, much to the aggravation of Cheney. I know what happened. Apparently Paul is confused, as usual. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Recliner Pilot 61 Posted May 29, 2012 It has since been proven to be a Rove special. Scooter Libby took the fall By who? I'd like to know who has proven Rove made Armitage leak Plame's name. Libby didn't "take the fall" for anyone. You do know he wasn't convicted of the leak, right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Recliner Pilot 61 Posted May 30, 2012 Bump, just in case Pauly decides to come back this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 541 Posted May 30, 2012 Perfect case-in-point about why teh good posters don't want to come here anymore. Pualinstl is a good poster. An old-timer. He was trying to have an actual debate. But Retarded Pilot just has to do the same tired shtick every singlke time he eneters a thread. Ignoring legitimate questions that paul asks, the 'keep trying' and 'link to me saying...' bullsh!t that everyone here is sick of, and finally, the classic ###### move of bumping the thread when the guy finally realizes that the debate is just going in circles. As if that means that RP has earned some imaginary "win" or something. And that acts proud when he says 'if he ever comes back'. Well guess what, asswhole? Chancves are he won't. Why would he want to? It's like coming to a debate and finding out your opponent is a punk fifth-grader who has a pre-planned shtick and isn't really looking for a debate or to answer any questions posed to him. But rather, looking to try to take the debate to a childish level and declare a victory when the adult leaves the room. What a focking dooshbag. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Recliner Pilot 61 Posted May 30, 2012 Paul has his facts wrong on Libby, and my position on that entire affair, I pointed that out. I asked Paul a legit question on who proved it was a Rove deal. You can about it all fukking day Jaggoff, but my posts were legit. You add nothing to any debate except the whinefest you just posted. Fukk off, Pussie. Come back when you have something to offer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,148 Posted May 30, 2012 Perfect case-in-point about why teh good posters don't want to come here anymore. Pualinstl is a good poster. An old-timer. He was trying to have an actual debate. But Retarded Pilot just has to do the same tired shtick every singlke time he eneters a thread. Ignoring legitimate questions that paul asks, the 'keep trying' and 'link to me saying...' bullsh!t that everyone here is sick of, and finally, the classic ###### move of bumping the thread when the guy finally realizes that the debate is just going in circles. As if that means that RP has earned some imaginary "win" or something. And that acts proud when he says 'if he ever comes back'. Well guess what, asswhole? Chancves are he won't. Why would he want to? It's like coming to a debate and finding out your opponent is a punk fifth-grader who has a pre-planned shtick and isn't really looking for a debate or to answer any questions posed to him. But rather, looking to try to take the debate to a childish level and declare a victory when the adult leaves the room. What a focking dooshbag. If Paul from St.Louis was as great as you say, then he'd of known better than to roll around in the mud with Recliner Pilot. Thats the part that you guys can't figure out. Its like GFIAFP, if you don't reply to him he only talks to himself and then eventually goes away. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 541 Posted May 30, 2012 If Paul from St.Louis was as great as you say, then he'd of known better than to roll around in the mud with Recliner Pilot. Thats the part that you guys can't figure out. Its like GFIAFP, if you don't reply to him he only talks to himself and then eventually goes away. You have a point. But maybe he just thought he could get into a real debate with an adult and then ended up getting puled into that moron's web. It happens. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Recliner Pilot 61 Posted May 30, 2012 Are you still here crying about this debate not being adult enough for you? Paul lied about my position on the Plame affair. I called him on it. He also lied about Bush pardoning Libby. He got called on that one as well. I guess you think his lies should go unchallenged because he is a lib. Sorry, I don't worship at the PISL altar like you Newbie. You have over 33,000 posts, and if I had to guess I would estimate half of those are you whining about something I posted. The majority of the remaining post would consist of you whining about others, lying about your perfect life, and exposing your fantasies about what parts of your anatomy you want to smear with man-batter. Excuse me if I don't put much stock into what you consider to be "adult" conversation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 541 Posted May 30, 2012 Are you still here crying about this debate not being adult enough for you? Paul lied about my position on the Plame affair. I called him on it. He also lied about Bush pardoning Libby. He got called on that one as well. I guess you think his lies should go unchallenged because he is a lib. Sorry, I don't worship at the PISL altar like you Newbie. You have over 33,000 posts, and if I had to guess I would estimate half of those are you whining about something I posted. The majority of the remaining post would consist of you whining about others, lying about your perfect life, and exposing your fantasies about what parts of your anatomy you want to smear with man-batter. Excuse me if I don't put much stock into what you consider to be "adult" conversation. Deny it all you want. You act like a focking juvenile retard in every thread you appear. Same shtick over and over and over and over. It's sickening. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites