Matt Ryan

[Ditka vs. ______ 0]

Everywhere I look, someone is raving about how Matt Ryan is the QB to draft this year. (Do any of these writers have original thoughts?) Article after article is about how he is the "sleeper" pick at the QB spot this season, and he's such a great value because you can get him in later rounds. Well sure enough, every post about the guy on these message boards is about how someone plans to get Matt Ryan deep in the draft, and it will be a steal of a pick. What happens when the guy in front of you picks him because he read all the same articles, and has the same plan as you do? Well you don't want that to happen, so you start picking him a round earlier, and the cycle starts all over again. So now you've got a player with a skyrocketing ADP, because nobody wants to miss out on this years "it" guy.

 

He's no longer a sleeper if everyone wants to draft him, and he no longer represents a great value if everyone continues to inflate his draft position. Sure as the 10th QB taken in the 7th or 8th round, he may be a steal, but when he's being taken as a top 5 QB in the 4th or 5th round, you lose the added value.

 

The goal is to draft players who will outperform their draft position. To get an 8th round pick that performs like a 3rd round pick. But if you draft that same player in the 3rd round because you're sure he's going to breakout, you lose any advantage you would have gained by drafting the player. Sure he may turn out to be a great player, but so where all the other players drafted that high.

 

Just my 2 cents.

[FeelingMN 273]

I will wait on a QB. If Ryan goes before I anticipated, then I'll take Roethlisberger or Cutler and pair them with a high upside QB2. I'm not gonna reach for a player because their buzz is deafening.

[TwentyFourSeven 23]

It was the same last years with Matthew Stafford. Most articles had him as the guy to break out. The only difference between Stafford & Ryan in this discussion is that many owners were scared off by the fact that Stafford may be injury prone so that allowed him to drop. Ryan is not going to drop too far if all of these people like him so much and he does not have the injury scare.

[Fantasy Noob 10]

Everyone seems to be drinking the kool-aid on Ryan because of how good his top two WR's are, and I agree with you I think he is overhyped. Ryan is a lower round pick because that offense has been a bland, ball control running offense and Ryan has "underperformed". If you remember Ryan was a sleeper pick last year as well. I think you have a league average QB with two skilled WR's too feed and will detract from each others value along with a head coach that wants to play ball control offense with Turner. Now if their defense melts down like many expect New Orleans too, it could be a fantasy goldmine as they are forced to air it out and unlike in NO the top targets are clearly defined.

 

If you want sleepers then check back in the week before the season starts, several posters are very cool about throwing out names of players they really liked in preseason. These usually constitute deeps sleepers but present massive value but it requires sifting as everyone is throwing out dozens of names its up to you too sort through all that. Simply because as soon as any fantasy writer puts pen to paper on a sleeper that player is no longer a sleeper they just lost their value. Just as an example but Stonewall nailed Hillis a couple seasons ago when he could have been had in the 14th round or not drafted at all. A couple posters have mentioned Randally Cobb (sorry can't remember who to give props too) and I like his chances as a lottery ticket.

 

I agree with you though, some of these sleepers get overhyped and lose value and you have to watch out for that like you said. It depends to a great deal on the level of your competition though. If your playing online for low stakes ($100 or less per team) then maybe half the league are legit skilled FF players, I never played at higher stakes but I have to imagine once you cross the $500 dollar limit everyone is skilled with only one or two teams being dead money. Now for your neighborhood friends and family league you should get good value out of your sleepers and be able to crush the second half and later parts of these drafts.

[boshek95 0]

I think there are some good reasons to be high on Ryan this season.

 

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• Having two stud WRs and a solid receiving TE gives him more-than-adequate weapons to work with.
  
• His numbers were improved last year, including a marked increase in yards per attempt compared to the last two years (7.4 in 2011).
  
• The elite workhorse RB is now 30 and probably wont be carrying such a load going forward. Further, the overall ATL running game seems to be taking more of a backseat recently (with rushing attempts per game dipping a bit in 2011, to 28.3 or 11th highest in the league… they were #5 in 2010).
  

With an ADP of 5.09(FF Calculator 12-team mocks, standard scoring) and being the 7th QB off the board, I think the crowd seeing Ryan as a value pick probably like his odds of finishing closer to #4 or #5 at QB this season. Admittedly, I do like his upside a lot this year, but at the same time, I do think that there are far better values to be had at QB this season.

 

If we are talking about trying to peg a QB with the potential to climb into the fantasy elite status, I do like what Im seeing with Ryan at the moment. But again, when it comes to value, he isn't necessarily one of the top QBs on my list this year, given his current ADP.

[FeelingMN 273]

I think there are some good reasons to be high on Ryan this season.

 

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• Having two stud WR’s and a solid receiving TE gives him more-than-adequate weapons to work with.
  
• His numbers were improved last year, including a marked increase in yards per attempt compared to the last two years (7.4 in 2011).
  
• The elite workhorse RB is now 30 and probably won’t be carrying such a load going forward. Further, the overall ATL running game seems to be taking more of a backseat recently (with rushing attempts per game dipping a bit in 2011, to 28.3 or 11th highest in the league… they were #5 in 2010).
  

With an ADP of 5.09(FF Calculator 12-team mocks, standard scoring) and being the 7th QB off the board, I think the crowd seeing Ryan as a value pick probably like his odds of finishing closer to #4 or #5 at QB this season. Admittedly, I do like his upside a lot this year, but at the same time, I do think that there are far better values to be had at QB this season.

 

If we are talking about trying to peg a QB with the potential to climb into the fantasy elite status, I do like what I’m seeing with Ryan at the moment. But again, when it comes to value, he isn't necessarily one of the top QBs on my list this year, given his current ADP.

 

 

Who else is a better value?

 

I like Roethlisberger who looks like will have to air it out without healthy backs to shoulder the load....and if Wallace ever reports, he'll have quite the arsenal to throw it to. Other than that....meh.

[_BadFish_ 0]

Everyone seems to be drinking the kool-aid on Ryan because of how good his top two WR's are, and I agree with you I think he is overhyped. Ryan is a lower round pick because that offense has been a bland, ball control running offense and Ryan has "underperformed". If you remember Ryan was a sleeper pick last year as well. I think you have a league average QB with two skilled WR's too feed and will detract from each others value along with a head coach that wants to play ball control offense with Turner. Now if their defense melts down like many expect New Orleans too, it could be a fantasy goldmine as they are forced to air it out and unlike in NO the top targets are clearly defined.

 

If you want sleepers then check back in the week before the season starts, several posters are very cool about throwing out names of players they really liked in preseason. These usually constitute deeps sleepers but present massive value but it requires sifting as everyone is throwing out dozens of names its up to you too sort through all that. Simply because as soon as any fantasy writer puts pen to paper on a sleeper that player is no longer a sleeper they just lost their value. Just as an example but Stonewall nailed Hillis a couple seasons ago when he could have been had in the 14th round or not drafted at all. A couple posters have mentioned Randally Cobb (sorry can't remember who to give props too) and I like his chances as a lottery ticket.

 

I agree with you though, some of these sleepers get overhyped and lose value and you have to watch out for that like you said. It depends to a great deal on the level of your competition though. If your playing online for low stakes ($100 or less per team) then maybe half the league are legit skilled FF players, I never played at higher stakes but I have to imagine once you cross the $500 dollar limit everyone is skilled with only one or two teams being dead money. Now for your neighborhood friends and family league you should get good value out of your sleepers and be able to crush the second half and later parts of these drafts.

 

That was an epic post..kudos

[jerryskids 6,790]

I think there are some good reasons to be high on Ryan this season.

 

• Having two stud WR’s and a solid receiving TE gives him more-than-adequate weapons to work with.
• His numbers were improved last year, including a marked increase in yards per attempt compared to the last two years (7.4 in 2011).
• The elite workhorse RB is now 30 and probably won’t be carrying such a load going forward. Further, the overall ATL running game seems to be taking more of a backseat recently (with rushing attempts per game dipping a bit in 2011, to 28.3 or 11th highest in the league… they were #5 in 2010).

With an ADP of 5.09(FF Calculator 12-team mocks, standard scoring) and being the 7th QB off the board, I think the crowd seeing Ryan as a value pick probably like his odds of finishing closer to #4 or #5 at QB this season. Admittedly, I do like his upside a lot this year, but at the same time, I do think that there are far better values to be had at QB this season.

 

If we are talking about trying to peg a QB with the potential to climb into the fantasy elite status, I do like what I’m seeing with Ryan at the moment. But again, when it comes to value, he isn't necessarily one of the top QBs on my list this year, given his current ADP.

He also has Dirk Koetter as his OC. Dirk used to coach ASU out here so I know his offense pretty well. He likes to spread the field and throw. A lot.

 

I can't remember to WRs on the same team being so highly rated since... Moss and Carter. My first year in FF they were two of the top receivers, and later in the draft I figured "well, if those two are so good, I guess I'll take the guy who is throwing to them as my backup." That was Culpepper, in a keeper league.

 

I see no reason that Ryan can't have a Stafford-type year. I wouldn't put him at the level of the top 3 guys yet, but he is challenging for #4 IMO.

[boshek95 0]

Who else is a better value?

 

I like Roethlisberger who looks like will have to air it out without healthy backs to shoulder the load....and if Wallace ever reports, he'll have quite the arsenal to throw it to. Other than that....meh.

I like Ryan, and see a good case for him having the ability to make the leap into the next tier at QB this year, but based on value given a player’s ADP, I like others more from a purely value draft pick point of view. I think Ryan’s upside is starting to be priced into his current cost/ADP.

 

Two of my favorite value picks at QB right now are:

 

Phillip Rivers (6.12) –With Mathews already banged up and Gates supposedly healthy, I could see Rivers having a really nice year with SD potentially passing a lot.

 

Carson Palmer (11.04) – He was 12th in points per game last year and is the 17th QB going off the board lately. Palmer is probably my top QB value pick at the moment.

 

Your call of Roethlisberger is nice too… ADP of 9.06 (QB 14).

[Ditka vs. ______ 0]

I like Ryan, and see a good case for him having the ability to make the leap into the next tier at QB this year, but based on value given a player’s ADP, I like others more from a purely value draft pick point of view. I think Ryan’s upside is starting to be priced into his current cost/ADP.

 

This guy gets it.

[We Tigers 71]

I don't see enough separating Ryan from Romo/Rivers/Eli/Peyton--and I kinda group Cam and Vick not too far ahead of those guys, either. Outside the super-elite top 3 and Stafford, I could really be happy with any of those guys in a redraft. For a while, I thought Ryan would be the one I'd likely end up with most since he was going 10th or 11th, but now it looks like he'll be the hot "sleeper" by the time I draft. Step right up, Peyton or Eli or Phil...

[vash1012 19]

The OP must not be watching preseason much. Atlanta's going 85% pass vs run. Of course it won't stay that way the whole season, but you can see what they are trying to do by spreading the field. I absolutely don't think Ryan will drop 5000 yards and 40 tds this year but I think hes probably the most likely mid tier QB to end up in the top 8 QBs with 4000+ yards and 30+ tds. Hes in a division with weak secondaries. He has probably the best pair of WRs in the league and a very good OLine. Tony Romo and Jay Cutler have terrible Olines. Phillip Rivers has middle of the road WRs and an injury prone TE. Eli and Big Ben are probably 2nd and 3rd most likely to be top 8 but play in divisions with good secondaries. I don't see whats not to like about Matt Ryan. I got him in the 7th round and was very happy with that.

[We Tigers 71]

I don't see whats not to like about Matt Ryan. I got him in the 7th round and was very happy with that.

Of course--if you get him in the 7th round, that's a pretty strong value. The difference is that you drafted already, and there's still two-and-a-half weeks before the season starts. When Ryan's coming off as QB7 at the end of the 4th round, he's obviously not nearly the deal you got. Everything's relative to when you pick.

[ralphster 274]

Of course--if you get him in the 7th round, that's a pretty strong value. The difference is that you drafted already, and there's still two-and-a-half weeks before the season starts. When Ryan's coming off as QB7 at the end of the 4th round, he's obviously not nearly the deal you got. Everything's relative to when you pick.

 

Agreed. And if he keeps throwing TDs to Quintorris Lopez Jones his ADP will keep rising. What was awesome value in the 7th two weeks ago ends up being a choice between Ryan and Hernandez or Colston or Hillis or Lloyd or Dez or S Smith in the 5th - when you used to be able to get one of those guys AND Ryan two rounds later. The ATL fantasy hype train has entered ramming speed, and Roddy/Turner/Tony G are the ones to likely to have much value over their ADP at this point.

[shorepatrol 1,870]

I grabbed him as my backup in the 7th round in my last 2 drafts to backup brady and rodgers. He'll be sweet trade bait

[Matt Mueller 146]

Anyone watch the last preseason game?

 

He didn't seem to go downfield at all especially early. That to me is the one thing holding him back.

 

I see Stafford tossing 57 yard bombs to Calvin and I don't see Ryan putting it up for grabs quite as much as the 'elite' guys.

[Ditka vs. ______ 0]

The OP must not be watching preseason much. Atlanta's going 85% pass vs run. Of course it won't stay that way the whole season, but you can see what they are trying to do by spreading the field. I absolutely don't think Ryan will drop 5000 yards and 40 tds this year but I think hes probably the most likely mid tier QB to end up in the top 8 QBs with 4000+ yards and 30+ tds. Hes in a division with weak secondaries. He has probably the best pair of WRs in the league and a very good OLine. Tony Romo and Jay Cutler have terrible Olines. Phillip Rivers has middle of the road WRs and an injury prone TE. Eli and Big Ben are probably 2nd and 3rd most likely to be top 8 but play in divisions with good secondaries. I don't see whats not to like about Matt Ryan. I got him in the 7th round and was very happy with that.

The OP has nothing to do with how good of a season Ryan will have this year. I agree, he's set up to have career numbers. The point of the post is that all these guys who plan on waiting to draft a QB because they think Matt Ryan will still be sitting on the board in the 7th or 8th round, had better have a back up plan, because 5 other guys in their league are thinking the same thing. You may have been lucky enough to get him in the 7th, but his adp keeps going up, and this will simply not be the case a week or 2 from now when these guys are drafting.

 

The 2nd point I was making, is that the major advantage to drafting Matt Ryan is that he is likely to outperfom his draft position (before it started rising). But the higher his draft position rises, the more this advantage drops, and he goes from being a value pick, to a pick with even value. Nothing wrong with that, but there are those of us who would prefer to get him at the discounted price.

[PackYourNut 47]

Who cares what his ADP is? The real question is how he will perform compared to the QBs taken IN FRONT of him... He is being drafted as the 8th-10th QB taken right now and will probably deliver top 5 numbers this year. That's value! It doesnt matter if he's drafted in the 2nd round or the 10th round, as different scoring systems will dictate where he goes.

 

Everyone wants to talk about Julio being the #2 WR and how he's going to be unstoppable, yet Ryan is gonna be pedestrian? It's ridiculous.

 

Next year, everyone will be on his jock like they are Stafford's this year. Get him while you can!

[We Tigers 71]

Who cares what his ADP is? The real question is how he will perform compared to the QBs taken IN FRONT of him... He is being drafted as the 8th-10th QB taken right now and will probably deliver top 5 numbers this year. That's value! It doesnt matter if he's drafted in the 2nd round or the 10th round, as different scoring systems will dictate where he goes.

 

Everyone wants to talk about Julio being the #2 WR and how he's going to be unstoppable, yet Ryan is gonna be pedestrian? It's ridiculous.

 

Next year, everyone will be on his jock like they are Stafford's this year. Get him while you can!

His ADP matters because he's not being drafted as the 8th-10th QB right now. At FFC, he's gone from 7.01 to 5.03 in just under two weeks--QB11 to QB7. At MFL, he's QB8 and about to hop Eli for QB7. At some point he'll probably plateau, but he's climbing higher every day. If he really is better than everyone below him, yes, that's still a good value. However, two weeks ago everyone thought he was just another guy in a group of 5-6 QBs. Hmm...

[PackYourNut 47]

His ADP matters because he's not being drafted as the 8th-10th QB right now. At FFC, he's gone from 7.01 to 5.03 in just under two weeks--QB11 to QB7. At MFL, he's QB8 and about to hop Eli for QB7. At some point he'll probably plateau, but he's climbing higher every day. If he really is better than everyone below him, yes, that's still a good value. However, two weeks ago everyone thought he was just another guy in a group of 5-6 QBs. Hmm...

 

He is just another guy in a group of 5-6 QBs... After Brady, Brees and Rodgers any of those next 5-6 guys could round out the top 5 by year end. Personally, I think Ryan is one of those guys. He's certainly in a position to be anyhow.

 

He's improved every year he's been in the league

He went from a conservative offensive coordinator who preferred to run and play it safe to a coordinator who likes to open it up and pass.

He's got 2 top 10 WRs most likely and a HOF TE

Turner is a 30yr old RB who looks like he has cement shoes on

J. Rodgers is a scat back who will play a role similar to Sproles in the new offense

He has 9 dome games this year

He supposedly has the easiest passing schedule this year

Their defense isnt great

 

I see top 5 numbers this year!

[Kris-styles 0]

Was a great value in the 6th. Now he is going in front of the Manning brothers Rivers and Romo so the value is lost a bit.

[msudavedawg 5]

I don't see enough separating Ryan from Romo/Rivers/Eli/Peyton--and I kinda group Cam and Vick not too far ahead of those guys, either. Outside the super-elite top 3 and Stafford, I could really be happy with any of those guys in a redraft. For a while, I thought Ryan would be the one I'd likely end up with most since he was going 10th or 11th, but now it looks like he'll be the hot "sleeper" by the time I draft. Step right up, Peyton or Eli or Phil...

 

Exactly.

[utvol5 0]

His ADP matters because he's not being drafted as the 8th-10th QB right now. At FFC, he's gone from 7.01 to 5.03 in just under two weeks--QB11 to QB7. At MFL, he's QB8 and about to hop Eli for QB7. At some point he'll probably plateau, but he's climbing higher every day. If he really is better than everyone below him, yes, that's still a good value. However, two weeks ago everyone thought he was just another guy in a group of 5-6 QBs. Hmm...

 

I've had Matt Ryan as my #1 qb the last 2 years (10 team ppr, 6 pts per passing td) and finally traded him late last season. I had the same thoughts ( that he was a sleeper pick) and I've been very disappointed with him the last years. Just my experience

[Fearsome 22]

I would jump on him as my QB1 in round 7.

[schaubmynob 0]

This is finally the year that I feel good about him. I expect him to be a top 6-7 qb, but I prefer to hold off on the position... Waiting to draft Stafford last year allowed me to get Ray Rice, Calvin Johnson, AJ Green, Wes Welker, FJax, Graham and the niners D in one league (went 15-1)... I started D. Murray in all 3 of my leagues on his first breakout day when he set the cowboys all time rushing record (also nabbed Bush and Spiller in 2 of the leagues)... It's difficult/impossible to find an elite player at the QB position off waivers, but the position is too stacked to weight it heavily early on when legit players are available at positions with less depth. I will hold off on the 2 positions again this year that I believe will produce sufficient, if not legititmate starters in the late rounds (QB and TE), just like last year.

[aaaa 0]

Im taking him at 44 in a standard 10 team league and I feel good about it.

[Ditka vs. ______ 0]

I would jump on him as my QB1 in round 7.

 

Im taking him at 44 in a standard 10 team league and I feel good about it.

 

This is exactly the point of this thread. One guy says he wants to pick him in the 7th round, the other plans to take him in the 4th. For all of those who think they can sit back and wait on drafting a QB because Matt Ryan will still be on the board after the others are gone, think again, he simply wont be there unless you get extremely lucky. If you want him, you're going to have to pay for him. That's fine, but it completely goes against the idea of being able to wait until the later rounds to draft a starting QB.

[Fearsome 22]

This is exactly the point of this thread. One guy says he wants to pick him in the 7th round, the other plans to take him in the 4th. For all of those who think they can sit back and wait on drafting a QB because Matt Ryan will still be on the board after the others are gone, think again, he simply wont be there unless you get extremely lucky. If you want him, you're going to have to pay for him. That's fine, but it completely goes against the idea of being able to wait until the later rounds to draft a starting QB.

 

Good point. I have been a 8th-10th guy to grab my quarterback in the past. I have been able to get Big Ben, Eli and Cutler in the past. But, so much being said about the Big 5 this year that I may have to go away from my successful formula and get a QB in round 2. I play in a keeper league and have secured Ray Rice in round 1.

[Cara 0]

Everywhere I look, someone is raving about how Matt Ryan is the QB to draft this year. (Do any of these writers have original thoughts?) Article after article is about how he is the "sleeper" pick at the QB spot this season, and he's such a great value because you can get him in later rounds. Well sure enough, every post about the guy on these message boards is about how someone plans to get Matt Ryan deep in the draft, and it will be a steal of a pick. What happens when the guy in front of you picks him because he read all the same articles, and has the same plan as you do? Well you don't want that to happen, so you start picking him a round earlier, and the cycle starts all over again. So now you've got a player with a skyrocketing ADP, because nobody wants to miss out on this years "it" guy.

 

He's no longer a sleeper if everyone wants to draft him, and he no longer represents a great value if everyone continues to inflate his draft position. Sure as the 10th QB taken in the 7th or 8th round, he may be a steal, but when he's being taken as a top 5 QB in the 4th or 5th round, you lose the added value.

 

The goal is to draft players who will outperform their draft position. To get an 8th round pick that performs like a 3rd round pick. But if you draft that same player in the 3rd round because you're sure he's going to breakout, you lose any advantage you would have gained by drafting the player. Sure he may turn out to be a great player, but so where all the other players drafted that high.

 

Just my 2 cents.

 

 

This was a nice post as I was in a draft last night and am in another right now. Matt Ryan went at the 4.08 in the draft last night and 4.10 of the draft I am in currently. He will have to perform an a very nice pace to reach these lofty positions. I did some checking around this morning and have seen him going in drafts at RTsports and MFL in the early fourth as well. Evidently everyone is reading the same articles. I was hoping to nab him in the late 6th. LOL I was way off.

 

For what it's worth, I have him in my personal rankings/projections as having 36 TD's this season with around 4,400 yards. All it will take for him to fall flat on his face is an injury to Julio "Hammy" Jones or Roddy White. The offensive line is shaky, but they have the best WR group (including Rodgers out of the backfield) they've had in recent memory, at least since the old Run & Shoot days.

[Cara 0]

This is exactly the point of this thread. One guy says he wants to pick him in the 7th round, the other plans to take him in the 4th. For all of those who think they can sit back and wait on drafting a QB because Matt Ryan will still be on the board after the others are gone, think again, he simply wont be there unless you get extremely lucky. If you want him, you're going to have to pay for him. That's fine, but it completely goes against the idea of being able to wait until the later rounds to draft a starting QB.

 

I have not seen Matt Ryan fall past the end of the 5th round in any draft I've watched or been involved in since Thursday afternoon. In fact, he is creeping up the boards in nearly each one. He was drafted ahead of Eli, Romo, Rivers and the rest of the crop in my current draft. Lofty goals. He is the most hyped player this offseason. I still think he can live up to it, but it will have to be an injury free season for everyone in Atlanta for it to work out.

 

Oh, and I saw Peyton Manning drafted as the 6th QB off the board today! Just wanted to throw that in there as I feel very confident I'm going to beat that owner when we play head to head. lol

[ralphster 274]

Just saw Ryan taken in the late 4th before Vick (12 team mock). If you listen closely you'll hear the sound of your value pick floating away...

[Kent 228]

Looks like he wont make my roster. He doesn't pass my eye test. If he joins the top tier this year, good on those guys who risked taking him earlier.

[Skinny_Bastard 157]

The logic explained here seem so amateurish. In many 6 point passing TD drafts, 3-5 QB will go in round 1. Read that again if you didn't see it...3-5 QB will go in round 1. That leaves about 9-7 teams in the rest of your league that will need a QB from round 2-8. The whole concept of waiting until after round 6 to nab a QB that can throw for 4,000+ yards and 30+ TD is absurd. As someone mentioned in a similar situation last year with Mathew Stafford. If you would had simply PASSED him in round 6 because you think he's only worth an 8th round pick DESPITE the fact that 10 other teams in your league already own a QB and looking for a potential backup in round 8 would had cost you a potential championship. This is now a QB driven league, anything less than 4,000 yards and 30 TD projection and you mine as well play the whole QB roulette for the upcoming fantasy football season. Draft positions should be dictated by the flow of league draft and not always what ROUND you think the individual should go.

 

The dude finished 8th last year...so if his production ticks up 10-15%, that will put him in the 6-8 range. So, what's the fuss about? Okay, he's no longer a steal but in round 5 i would rather have M. Ryan than...

 

Rivers -- production decling

Vick -- injury risk right? Hasn't played a full 16 game season since???

P. Manning -- Neck and haven't played in how long?

Big Ben -- Rotator cuff tear, Wallace haven't shown up yet, horrible line and no running game

Romo -- Ryan finished ahead of him last season and the cowboys are in one heck of a division. L. Robinson no longer there.

Eli -- What would it cost to get Eli after the top 5 are gone? A 3rd round?

[We Tigers 71]

Rivers' production is declining? He threw for 4600 yards last year!

 

I really think the Ryan/Stafford comparison is off now. Around draft day, Stafford was going QB10-11. Ryan is now up to QB7 by ADP, and at the rate he's going he may actually catch Vick by Labor Day drafts. Ryan could have been viewed as this year's Stafford had he stayed at the back of the tier 2 QBs, but now the situation has changed. Ryan is still a solid pick, but he's a different kind of pick than Stafford was.

[skinsrule05 30]

He is just another guy in a group of 5-6 QBs... After Brady, Brees and Rodgers any of those next 5-6 guys could round out the top 5 by year end. Personally, I think Ryan is one of those guys. He's certainly in a position to be anyhow.

 

He's improved every year he's been in the league

He went from a conservative offensive coordinator who preferred to run and play it safe to a coordinator who likes to open it up and pass.

He's got 2 top 10 WRs most likely and a HOF TE

Turner is a 30yr old RB who looks like he has cement shoes on

J. Rodgers is a scat back who will play a role similar to Sproles in the new offense

He has 9 dome games this year

He supposedly has the easiest passing schedule this year

Their defense isnt great

 

I see top 5 numbers this year!

 

I think you are missing the point of this thread. No one is arguing how good Ryan can be. I am perfectly fine you saying he could be top 5. The issue is a month ago he was being drafted as the 10-12th QB off the board. Now he is going as the 6-8th QB. The way he is trending by the time the later drafts get here he could be going as the 4-6th QB. He is still a good QB but he is just not as valuable.

 

Ex. If you draft Brady as the 2nd QB and he finishes 2nd at the end of the year that is a decent pick. It is not great because you had to pay exactly what he was worth. Matt Ryan was looking like great value a month ago because his price wasn't as high as what you are getting. That time has passed.

[PackYourNut 47]

Rivers' production is declining? He threw for 4600 yards last year!

 

I really think the Ryan/Stafford comparison is off now. Around draft day, Stafford was going QB10-11. Ryan is now up to QB7 by ADP, and at the rate he's going he may actually catch Vick by Labor Day drafts. Ryan could have been viewed as this year's Stafford had he stayed at the back of the tier 2 QBs, but now the situation has changed. Ryan is still a solid pick, but he's a different kind of pick than Stafford was.

 

He's being compared to Stafford because of his "potential" break out, not because of where he is drafted.

 

If you look at the weapons, talent and scheme surrounding Stafford, you knew he would explode if he could stay healthy. If you look at Ryan, you have the same scenario. The difference was it's not Ryan's health that was a question, it was the scheme and offensive "ground & pound" mindset.

 

I live in Atlanta and I was at the GB game 2 years ago. This team knows it can't win trying to pound Turner. Hence the "sell my whole draft to get Julio" and fire Mularkey and bring in Koetter moves.

 

Dimitroff is not a fool... the league has changed and he's following suit!

[Skinny_Bastard 157]

Rivers' production is declining? He threw for 4600 yards last year!

 

I really think the Ryan/Stafford comparison is off now. Around draft day, Stafford was going QB10-11. Ryan is now up to QB7 by ADP, and at the rate he's going he may actually catch Vick by Labor Day drafts. Ryan could have been viewed as this year's Stafford had he stayed at the back of the tier 2 QBs, but now the situation has changed. Ryan is still a solid pick, but he's a different kind of pick than Stafford was.

 

2010: 4,700 yards, 30 TD, 13 INT

2011: 4,600 yards, 27 TD, 20 INT

 

Ya, that looks like a decline.

[Skinny_Bastard 157]

I think you are missing the point of this thread. No one is arguing how good Ryan can be. I am perfectly fine you saying he could be top 5. The issue is a month ago he was being drafted as the 10-12th QB off the board. Now he is going as the 6-8th QB. The way he is trending by the time the later drafts get here he could be going as the 4-6th QB. He is still a good QB but he is just not as valuable.

 

Ex. If you draft Brady as the 2nd QB and he finishes 2nd at the end of the year that is a decent pick. It is not great because you had to pay exactly what he was worth. Matt Ryan was looking like great value a month ago because his price wasn't as high as what you are getting. That time has passed.

 

Why is it crazy to take him as a 6-8th QB? His value is about right where he should be. The dude did finish 8th overall last season.

[We Tigers 71]

2010: 4,700 yards, 30 TD, 13 INT

2011: 4,600 yards, 27 TD, 20 INT

 

Ya, that looks like a decline.

Pretty marginal. I think most expect him to cut down on those INTs pretty significantly this year.

[Skinny_Bastard 157]

Pretty marginal. I think most expect him to cut down on those INTs pretty significantly this year.

 

Well documented that his arm strength is down last season. Speculation all season was he was playing hurt, but he denied it. No tolbert, no Vincent Jackson and now no Vincent Brown.

 

 

Good luck.