The 2013 Dynasty Q & A thread

[madd futher mucker 36]

Hey madd. Is their anyone you watched this year that you would dramatically change (good or bad) from your preseason rankings?

 

For me, at WR I was very disappointed in Juron Criner. I had him pretty high, erveryone else was about right.

 

And at RB, I'm still about the same. But 2 guys who I really like are

Robert Turbin, and Bernard Pierce. I think these 2 kids can be starters in the league.

 

I thought Turbin was a bit stiff in the hips in college and still think so (although he's lowered his pad level), and I noted that Pierce looked extremely poor in pass protection. He made great strides in this department this season. Sometimes they just need to be coached up at the next level. Another RB I underestimated somewhat was Vick Ballard.

 

I've learned that the hardest thing to project is how rapidly a skill position player can adapt their college techniques and habits to the NFL. Much depends on the quality difference in coaching techniques and especially the degree that the player is willing to re-focus on the little things they never really had to master completely at the college level. Some guys learn and adapt rapidly, while for other players that lightbulb never seems to come on.

 

Perhaps the RB that I (along with hundreds of others) missed on the most was Alfred Morris. I knew that Morris flashed talent at the Shrine game, but he really didn't stand out that much from the pack of RBs there. But small school guys are very hard to get a handle on, because both the level of coaching and level of competition is not what it is at the major schools. Add to that the fact that Shanahan already had Helu and Royster in the stable, and that Shanny is well known for his Shenanigans with RBs. So i can flatly state that i never expected Morris to be a factor this year.

 

As far as receivers were concerned, not many saw the potential of another small school guy, Rod Streater untill he started flashing daily in training camp as a special player. He rapidly moved ahead of Juron Criner, but I still believe in Criner's talent and believe he will be productive next year. I also believed that Lavon Brazill was more NFL ready and would be more productive his rookie year than TY Hilton. I was wrong on that one as well.

 

Those were the main ones.

 

On the flip side, I had my share of 'hits' too. While everyone was talking Coby Fleener, I really was much higher on Duane Allen in INDY. And in St Louis, I was all over Chris Givens while most were higher on Brian Quick, who I saw as a very raw prospect.

[madd futher mucker 36]

Picked him up a few weeks ago both in a dynasty league and in a limited keeper/auction league. Seems to be getting better each week. Small, but runs hard and also seems to be increasingly used in the passing game. Longshot, but sometimes they pan out.

 

Even though I also picked up DuJuan Harris as a dynasty lottery ticket, I'm not as high on him as you or Evil Genius are. He reminds me more of Dion Lewis than a Danny Woodhead, or a Quizz Rodgers. I don't see that extra burst where the power comes from. I think he goes down far to easily on the first hit and just don't see the yards after contact he would need to be any more than an NFL journeyman. as a Packer fan and Harris owner, i hope he proves me wrong, but there is a huge difference between 'fresh legs' and tackle-breaking explosiveness in a little RB.

[robocardz 14]

I'm 99.999999999999999999999999999999999% sure he is DONE!

LOL -- I'm only a decade behind....

 

May be a hint about Fred Jackson though ...

[420allstars 13]

So I did the Unthinkable and traded for one Tim Tebow.. granted I only gave up a 2014 4th and some BB$ that I probably wasnt going to use anyways but still

 

My Logic was this is a Two QB, 16 team league so any starter has some value, should he land in the right spot I feel like a couple decent games and I can flip him pretty easy?

[lesjroza 70]

So I did the Unthinkable and traded for one Tim Tebow.. granted I only gave up a 2014 4th and some BB$ that I probably wasnt going to use anyways but still

 

My Logic was this is a Two QB, 16 team league so any starter has some value, should he land in the right spot I feel like a couple decent games and I can flip him pretty easy?

 

 

Seems like a nice speculative trade to me. I don't think there is any way to argue the value paid was too much. The only downside would seem to be relative to opportunity cost with respect to other prospects and the use of the roster slot. Just out of curiosity, are waivers still open? Did you have to cut anyone to roster Tebow and did the other owner get to make a WW aquisition? If so, who did he/she pick up (yes I am in a serious league where a team is now owned by female coowners)?

[lesjroza 70]

I also made my first dynasty trade of 2013. I traded away "lightning in a bottle" David Wilson and my 2014 2nd round pick for 2013 1.02 and a 2014 1st round pick.

 

I love David Wilson and think he has a very bright future. The reason I was willing to make this deal was because right now there are 2 players in this draft class I feel very good about no matter where they end up (I can't give up too much here as eveyone in this league is on this board). There could still be a couple of more prospects who will declare giving me some more options at #2, but if they don't, they are likely to end up coming out next year making 2014 a potentially really good class to have an extra 1st round pick (I now have 3 #1s in this league).

 

It's very hard to trade away a young RB has flashed to the extent Wilson has, especially for picks with no name attached making it unclear how it helps your roster. Let me have it if you feel like it.

 

I was close to a deal in another league trading away Welker and getting Morris with +- undecided additional compensation going one way or the other. I tabled the negotiation based on Griffin's knee reconstruction. I am not sure Morris can produce to the same extent or even that much at all in a PPR league if the O is tweaked due to Griffin's injury either permanently or until full recovery. Do they permanently change the amount of read/option they run as part of changing RGIIIs mindset? If the backside LB gets to cheat instead of having to be discplined does that change Morris' success? If Morris doesn't have the same success does Shanny get restless and interested in a RB who has the ability to create the big play on their own?

Am I just being silly with these questions?

 

Thoughts on either are welcome

[kutulu 1,703]

Even though I also picked up DuJuan Harris as a dynasty lottery ticket, I'm not as high on him as you or Evil Genius are. He reminds me more of Dion Lewis than a Danny Woodhead, or a Quizz Rodgers. I don't see that extra burst where the power comes from. I think he goes down far to easily on the first hit and just don't see the yards after contact he would need to be any more than an NFL journeyman. as a Packer fan and Harris owner, i hope he proves me wrong, but there is a huge difference between 'fresh legs' and tackle-breaking explosiveness in a little RB.

 

Not really high or low on him...just interested in seeing more. He's like my number 9 or 10 RB and could get cut when we trim our rosters down a bit in the off season. I got grant real cheap late in the season a few years back, GB always turns up productive running backs.

[420allstars 13]

Seems like a nice speculative trade to me. I don't think there is any way to argue the value paid was too much. The only downside would seem to be relative to opportunity cost with respect to other prospects and the use of the roster slot. Just out of curiosity, are waivers still open? Did you have to cut anyone to roster Tebow and did the other owner get to make a WW aquisition? If so, who did he/she pick up (yes I am in a serious league where a team is now owned by female coowners)?

 

The league I made this deal has no roster limits durring the offseason and waivers run at 2 pre-set times thru the offseason (in about a month and again just before training camps) with the opertunity to pick up one player per team each time (still with no roster limits) so I really dont have a waisted roster spot at this time and though I gave up about 20% of my BB$ I am not huge on constant waiver moves and find in a 16team league with deep benches there is not much there for the picking most times anyways..

 

as to the Female owners coment: I am in a re-draft league and our lone Female owner won it all last year! over me!

[420allstars 13]

I also made my first dynasty trade of 2013. I traded away "lightning in a bottle" David Wilson and my 2014 2nd round pick for 2013 1.02 and a 2014 1st round pick.

 

I love David Wilson and think he has a very bright future. The reason I was willing to make this deal was because right now there are 2 players in this draft class I feel very good about no matter where they end up (I can't give up too much here as eveyone in this league is on this board). There could still be a couple of more prospects who will declare giving me some more options at #2, but if they don't, they are likely to end up coming out next year making 2014 a potentially really good class to have an extra 1st round pick (I now have 3 #1s in this league).

 

It's very hard to trade away a young RB has flashed to the extent Wilson has, especially for picks with no name attached making it unclear how it helps your roster. Let me have it if you feel like it.

 

 

I love the trade for both teams Les.. You are already VERY strong at RB (foster, ap, murray, ballard) and probably wont be playing Wilson unless he hits STUD RB1 level (somthing I think could happen but not next year) the picks are a bonus and should build up your Taxi squad and make you even more of a threat!

[Matts Eagles 25]

Some trades that have gone down in one of my dynasty leagues:

 

12 team ppr tds 6 points

 

Some trades that went on in my 12 team dynasty ppr league...Not involved in any of them:

 

Trade 1:

Team A gets

Beanie Wells

Brandon Marshall

Charles Olson

Evan Rodriguez

 

Team B gets

Flacco, Ridley, Vereen,Cameron Jordan, 2013 3rd round rookie pick

 

 

 

Trade 2:

Team C gets

Ryan Mathews, Bilall Powell, Andre Roberts

 

Team D gets

Desean Jackson, Lance Kendricks, Zach Miller and pick 1.10 in rookie draft

 

 

 

Trade 3

Team E gets

Mike Vick, Vernon Davis and 2nd round pick in rookie draft

 

Team F gets

Cutler and higher 2nd round pick

 

 

Trade 4

Team G gets

Russell Wilson, Lamar Miller, Lance Moore

 

Team H gets

Matt Schaub, Danny Amendola and a 2nd round pick

[Kopy 592]

Some trades that have gone down in one of my dynasty leagues:

 

12 team ppr tds 6 points

 

Some trades that went on in my 12 team dynasty ppr league...Not involved in any of them:

 

Trade 1:

Team A gets

Beanie Wells

Brandon Marshall

Charles Olson

Evan Rodriguez

 

Team B gets

Flacco, Ridley, Vereen,Cameron Jordan, 2013 3rd round rookie pick

 

 

 

Trade 2:

Team C gets

Ryan Mathews, Bilall Powell, Andre Roberts

 

Team D gets

Desean Jackson, Lance Kendricks, Zach Miller and pick 1.10 in rookie draft

 

 

 

Trade 3

Team E gets

Mike Vick, Vernon Davis and 2nd round pick in rookie draft

 

Team F gets

Cutler and higher 2nd round pick

 

 

Trade 4

Team G gets

Russell Wilson, Lamar Miller, Lance Moore

 

Team H gets

Matt Schaub, Danny Amendola and a 2nd round pick

 

I like Teams A,D,F

Trade 4 seems like a tie to me. But I think I'd rather be team G.

[Matt Mueller 148]

I also made my first dynasty trade of 2013. I traded away "lightning in a bottle" David Wilson and my 2014 2nd round pick for 2013 1.02 and a 2014 1st round pick.

 

I love David Wilson and think he has a very bright future. The reason I was willing to make this deal was because right now there are 2 players in this draft class I feel very good about no matter where they end up (I can't give up too much here as eveyone in this league is on this board). There could still be a couple of more prospects who will declare giving me some more options at #2, but if they don't, they are likely to end up coming out next year making 2014 a potentially really good class to have an extra 1st round pick (I now have 3 #1s in this league).

 

It's very hard to trade away a young RB has flashed to the extent Wilson has, especially for picks with no name attached making it unclear how it helps your roster. Let me have it if you feel like it.

 

I was close to a deal in another league trading away Welker and getting Morris with +- undecided additional compensation going one way or the other. I tabled the negotiation based on Griffin's knee reconstruction. I am not sure Morris can produce to the same extent or even that much at all in a PPR league if the O is tweaked due to Griffin's injury either permanently or until full recovery. Do they permanently change the amount of read/option they run as part of changing RGIIIs mindset? If the backside LB gets to cheat instead of having to be discplined does that change Morris' success? If Morris doesn't have the same success does Shanny get restless and interested in a RB who has the ability to create the big play on their own?

Am I just being silly with these questions?

 

Thoughts on either are welcome

 

I think I might have overpaid a bit but I think on the surface it was a good trade for both of us. Your starting running back situation is pretty locked up with AP, Foster, Murray and Ballard. Wilson would have been great to hold but I can see Bradshaw returning and Brown factoring in some, possibly making Wilson's consistent fantasy relevance a year or two away.

 

I also think he is raw and has some things to learn about how and when to hit holes at the NFL level and improve his passing blocking but he has shown elite NFL speed and plays on a good team so the potential for a breakout is def there.

 

For me with only Forte, Ridley and the oft injured Bradshaw as real starting options I think the Wilson trade insured my RB3 spot while giving me a bright prospect for the future with at least 3 years of eligibility left.

 

Regarding the 2014 draft pick swap, based on you finished 2nd overall and me finishing 3rd in points but missing playoffs entirely, I'm hoping we both perform well in 2013 and can exchange my late first round pick for your early second round pick softening the blow. I wouldn't have felt as comfortable accepting the 2nd rounder with a team that wasn't as good as yours. I assume the rookie draft snakes just like a redraft? So the 12th pick in the first round gets the 1st pick in the 2nd round.

 

All said I'm gonna be interested to see who you end up choosing at 1.2 this year and hope I'm not regretting missing out on a great prospect or two when all is said and done but as you said, sometimes a bird in hand is better than 2 in the bush and I'm looking to make a playoff push next year.

 

Maniacs hooo

[lesjroza 70]

I think I might have overpaid a bit but I think on the surface it was a good trade for both of us. Your starting running back situation is pretty locked up with AP, Foster, Murray and Ballard. Wilson would have been great to hold but I can see Bradshaw returning and Brown factoring in some, possibly making Wilson's consistent fantasy relevance a year or two away.

 

I also think he is raw and has some things to learn about how and when to hit holes at the NFL level and improve his passing blocking but he has shown elite NFL speed and plays on a good team so the potential for a breakout is def there.

 

For me with only Forte, Ridley and the oft injured Bradshaw as real starting options I think the Wilson trade insured my RB3 spot while giving me a bright prospect for the future with at least 3 years of eligibility left.

 

Regarding the 2014 draft pick swap, based on you finished 2nd overall and me finishing 3rd in points but missing playoffs entirely, I'm hoping we both perform well in 2013 and can exchange my late first round pick for your early second round pick softening the blow. I wouldn't have felt as comfortable accepting the 2nd rounder with a team that wasn't as good as yours. I assume the rookie draft snakes just like a redraft? So the 12th pick in the first round gets the 1st pick in the 2nd round.

 

All said I'm gonna be interested to see who you end up choosing at 1.2 this year and hope I'm not regretting missing out on a great prospect or two when all is said and done but as you said, sometimes a bird in hand is better than 2 in the bush and I'm looking to make a playoff push next year.

 

Maniacs hooo

 

 

Bradshaw may not even be a Giant next year so the offseason will be key to Wilson's value for next year. It is not unrealistic to think he could end up going in the first 2 rounds of drafts next year or certainly the year after so this is a very hard trade to value. Also, if my team tanks next year and you win it all then my bump in the 2014 draft would be only from pick #13 to pick #12. There is a pretty wide range of potential outcomes which will make it really hard to determine how it all plays out for a couple of years. The bottom line for me was I did feel I have adequate RB coverage and in this case the picks give me a bit more optionality in the sense that they could be used for any type of young skill player or as currency in a trade for a vet with another owner.

 

You have the wrong impression regarding the rookie draft. All the dynasty rookie drafts that I have ever seen resemble the NFL draft in order to give the weaker teams an advantage in catching up the talent level on their roster. The snake of initial drafts is intended to even the values through the course of the draft.

 

I want to publicly offer to rescind our deal if you feel you wouldn't have made this trade knowing the rookie draft has a different process. I think it was a very even win/win trade anyway. I did double check our bylaws but as I say I don't know of any that snake.

 

o) Draft Order: Draft will be in reverse order of standings. Round One: #12 - #1, Round Two: #12 - #1, etc, for a four (4) round rookie Draft.

[Matt Mueller 148]

Bradshaw may not even be a Giant next year so the offseason will be key to Wilson's value for next year. It is not unrealistic to think he could end up going in the first 2 rounds of drafts next year or certainly the year after so this is a very hard trade to value. Also, if my team tanks next year and you win it all then my bump in the 2014 draft would be only from pick #13 to pick #12. There is a pretty wide range of potential outcomes which will make it really hard to determine how it all plays out for a couple of years. The bottom line for me was I did feel I have adequate RB coverage and in this case the picks give me a bit more optionality in the sense that they could be used for any type of young skill player or as currency in a trade for a vet with another owner.

 

You have the wrong impression regarding the rookie draft. All the dynasty rookie drafts that I have ever seen resemble the NFL draft in order to give the weaker teams an advantage in catching up the talent level on their roster. The snake of initial drafts is intended to even the values through the course of the draft.

 

I want to publicly offer to rescind our deal if you feel you wouldn't have made this trade knowing the rookie draft has a different process. I think it was a very even win/win trade anyway. I did double check our bylaws but as I say I don't know of any that snake.

 

o) Draft Order: Draft will be in reverse order of standings. Round One: #12 - #1, Round Two: #12 - #1, etc, for a four (4) round rookie Draft.

 

Hmm... I did have the wrong impression. I certainly don't want to rescind the deal but I did purposely choose your 2nd round pick b/c I thought you had the strongest team.

 

I just sent you over an offer to simply switch back your 2nd round pick for another teams 2nd round pick. I would consider it an act of good faith and would def appreciate it.

 

I don't think you are tanking next year.

[lesjroza 70]

Hmm... I did have the wrong impression. I certainly don't want to rescind the deal but I did purposely choose your 2nd round pick b/c I thought you had the strongest team.

 

I just sent you over an offer to simply switch back your 2nd round pick for another teams 2nd round pick. I would consider it an act of good faith and would def appreciate it.

 

I don't think you are tanking next year.

 

 

I would actually prefer to rescind the deal and though I don't think it was my fault in any way, I don't have a problem with it since this is a new league and you weren't aware of the full implications. I hope and believe that I will finish ahead of everyone else next year but like the idea of trading my 2nd only in part because I feel I have a better team, we know injuries can take anyone down and I could easily finish in last place.

 

The primary reason I like trading my pick instead is it becomes a natural hedge when I have my own 1st round pick. There is great value in this hedge, for instance, if you finish first and I last that means I only get a bump from pick #13 to pick #12 on our deal, but it is hedged in the sense that it also means I have the #1 overall pick in that case with my first rounder. There is no hedge with someone else's pick making the risk of a poor outcome potentially more damaging to my roster value. This kind of thinking is a result of my trading and portfolio backround and I know it could sound like a bunch of mularkey to someone, I hope it doesn't to you. I truly don't mind undoing the trade, would have no hard feelings, and I have sent it out to reverse our completed deal for you to choose but I would not be interested in altering the terms.

[Matt Mueller 148]

For anyone concerned the deal is standing. Cheers to all.

[kutulu 1,703]

Who would you rather have at qb for the next 5-7 years at least...rg3 or cam?

[lesjroza 70]

Who would you rather have at qb for the next 5-7 years at least...rg3 or cam?

 

 

Pre-injury RGIII, now Cam.

 

NOT one of my heroes but certainly a great thinker Keynes (or Winston Chuchill depeding on who uses the quote), someone, anyway, famously said;

 

"When my information changes, I alter my conclusions. What do you do, sir?"

 

Cam would be above now, for me, until I see how RGIII looks, how the Redskins alter things, etc.

 

RGIII could be a good buy low but someone else can have that risk relative to the price I would expect to have to pay right now as far as I am concerned. If you look at the "top ten" ranking thread I'm not really all that high on Cam though. If I'm doing a startup and I choose to wait and let the top guys go by I guess I go for what I perceive as the lower risk, lower ceiling QB like Ryan in that area of the draft. Truth is though I probably bite the bullet and grab Rodgers or Luck or wait for the Romo, Manning crowd then follow later with Flacco and draft a QB next year, and the year after, and the year after that if neccessary.

[Teren 2]

Who would you rather have at qb for the next 5-7 years at least...rg3 or cam?

 

What about RG3 or stafford? Stafford was pretty disappointing this year. I want RG3 and think this may be the lowest his value may go. I will admit I'm a redskins fan. Would I be foolish for pursuing this?

[lesjroza 70]

What about RG3 or stafford? Stafford was pretty disappointing this year. I want RG3 and think this may be the lowest his value may go. I will admit I'm a redskins fan. Would I be foolish for pursuing this?

 

In my opinion, this is just me, if you want somebody you go after him. If RGIII comes back to form this is absolutely as low as his value would be in all likelihood. I know I just said above that I would let someone else take the risk but I would not FAULT someone else for doing so. If you want him and Stafford is the price go for it! While it will set you back getting a new QB for awhile if you are wrong thats OK, you will recover. It's your team sink or swim with the guys you want, that's never foolish. If you could get the owner to bump your 2014 2nd to a 1st pick in the deal even better, then you another shot at a QB and plan B if it doesn't work. Can you go out and get Cousins right now without overpaying? Point is get your guy + have other routes to go if it doesn't work out as hoped. Good luck.

[Matts Eagles 25]

A couple of trades that went down in my 12 team dynasty PPR (I was not involved in any)

 

 

Team A is the same guy in all deals

 

Team A trades

Vernon Davis

 

Team B trades

trades pick 2.4

 

 

Team A trades

Joe Flacco

 

Team C trades

AJ Jenkins, pick 2.3

 

Team A trades

Hillman, Antonio Brown, Desean Jackson, pick 1.11

 

Team D trades

Robert Turbin, Percy Harvin

 

Team A trades

Rashad Jennings, Ryan Williams, AJ Jenkins pick 2.4

 

Team E trades

Nick Foles, Santonio Holmes, Brandon Lloyd

[Matts Eagles 25]

12 team dynasty PPR

 

Team A got

Lamar Miller

Lance Moore

 

Team B got

Antonio Brown

pick 2.6 in rookie/free agent draft

[madd futher mucker 36]

First two trades of the year went down in Fat Bastards dynasty league. I was involved in both of them. One was a blockbuster:

 

The Mighty Pinksburg Orgasmics gave up Harris, DuJuan GBP RB;Martin, Doug TBB RB

Schmucks gave up Bradshaw, Ahmad FA* RB;Richardson, Daryl STL RB;Jones, Julio ATL WR

 

I guess that answers the question of how much I think Julio Jones is worth, Wonder. The other was pretty lame by comparison:

 

The Mighty Pinksburg Orgasmics gave up Stewart, Jonathan CAR RB

HitNRun gave up McGahee, Willis DEN RB;* Wilson, Marquess FA WR;Jones, James GBP WR

 

Now if i can just get Jacoby Jones, Marvin Jones, and felix Jones, I pretty much can collect the whole set!

[Stewburtx8 67]

First two trades of the year went down in Fat Bastards dynasty league. I was involved in both of them. One was a blockbuster:

 

The Mighty Pinksburg Orgasmics gave up Harris, DuJuan GBP RB;Martin, Doug TBB RB

Schmucks gave up Bradshaw, Ahmad FA* RB;Richardson, Daryl STL RB;Jones, Julio ATL WR

 

I guess that answers the question of how much I think Julio Jones is worth, Wonder. The other was pretty lame by comparison:

 

 

 

I love Julio Jones too. In general, I like the trade I think. Mainly because you also got back Bradshaw and Richardson and gave up only Dujuan Harris. I think they both have a better chance at a heavier workload than Harris does. But you certainly could have an interesting RB situation next year depending how things play out:

 

-Assuming Steven Jackson leaves, does Darryl Richardson carry the load or is more split down the middle with Pead?

 

-Where does Bradshaw end up? Personally, I have doubts that he ends up the lead back somewhere. Ironically enough, I've read the Bucs have interest in him as the backup to Martin. But Bradshaw certainly has the talent to be a nice fantasy asset if he lands in the right place.

 

-Does McGahee get brought back in Denver? Or is his injury history too much to overcome? Do they bring someone in from free agency?

 

I'm guessing you felt comfortable enough with these situations to trade Martin though.

[mobb_deep 920]

What caliber WR would you all give/get to move Lamar Miller?

[cbfalcon 827]

What caliber WR would you all give/get to move Lamar Miller?

 

Maybe someone like Chris Givens.

[mobb_deep 920]

Maybe someone like Chris Givens.

 

I'm thinking more like Justin Blackmon and a couple late 2nd's for Miller and a late 1st.

[madd futher mucker 36]

I'd say Crabtree for L Miller and a late 2nd would be fair. Just my humble opinion.

 

 

 

BTW, two more trades went down in Fat Bastards:

 

1. Duh Namastes gave up Austin, Miles DAL WR

 

Bear D!ck Punch gave up Ridley, Stevan NEP RB

 

2. Cincinnati Prancers gave up Cousins, Kirk WAS QB;Roethlisberger, Ben PIT QB;Brown, Antonio PIT WR; Year 2013 Draft Pick 3.11; Year 2014 Round 3 Draft Pick from Cincinnati Prancers;Year 2014 Round 4 Draft Pick from Cincinnati Prancers

 

Bear D!ck Punch gave up Vick, Michael PHI QB; Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.03; Year 2014 Round 2 Draft Pick from Bear D!ck Punch

 

Guys like Lacy, Bernard, Ball, K Davis, Lattimore, Hunter, Allen and Woods have already been rostered so 1.03 is a little bit devalued. Did Cincy overpay Bear for his 1.03 or not?

[mobb_deep 920]

I like the side getting Ben and Brown in that one. Vick has 1 maybe 2 years left and this draft doesn't look too special. I'd rather have Brown than a rookie like Tavon Austin or Hopkins.

[ralphster 274]

I like the side getting Ben and Brown in that one. Vick has 1 maybe 2 years left and this draft doesn't look too special. I'd rather have Brown than a rookie like Tavon Austin or Hopkins.

 

I agree with your assessment of Vick, though I think he just might be undervalued in Kelley's offense this year. Giving up the 1.03 pick along with Vick and 2014 second rounder was too much to give imo.

[madd futher mucker 36]

Fat Bastards http://www29.myfantasyleague.com/2013/home/13124#0 are in full trading mode! Here's three more that went down in the last few days:

 

1. Cheesehead gave up Moeaki, Tony KCC TE; Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.04;Year 2013 Draft Pick 3.06; Year 2014 Round 3 Draft Pick from Cheesehead

 

Schmucks gave up Harris, DuJuan GBP RB;Lloyd, Brandon NEP WR; Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.08;Year 2013 Draft Pick 2.06; Year 2014 Round 1 Draft Pick from Schmucks

 

 

2. Duh Namastes gave up Forte, Matt CHI RB; Year 2013 Draft Pick 3.09

 

Cincinnati Prancers gave up Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.02; Year 2014 Round 2 Draft Pick from Bear D!ck Punch

 

 

3. The Mighty Pinksburg Orgasmics (yea that's me) gave up Texans, Houston HOU Def; Year 2013 Draft Pick 2.10

 

The Druids gave up Streater, Rod OAK WR

[madd futher mucker 36]

This board is slower than hell, but the Bastards are trading like there is no tomorrow. Three more trades went down today - some big ones too:

 

1. The Druids gave up * Bernard, Giovani FA RB;Fitzgerald, Larry ARI WR; Year 2013 Draft Pick 5.08

 

Schmucks gave up Kaepernick, Colin SFO QB;Johnson, Stevie BUF WR

 

 

2. Schmucks gave up Year 2013 Draft Pick 3.04;Year 2013 Draft Pick 4.04

 

The Hype Machines gave up Year 2013 Draft Pick 2.12

 

 

3.HitNRun gave up Gore, Frank SFO RB;White, Roddy ATL WR; Year 2013 Draft Pick 3.12;Year 2013 Draft Pick 4.05;Year 2013 Draft Pick 4.10;Year 2013 Draft Pick 4.12

 

Bear D!ck Punch gave up Johnson, Chris TEN RB;Jackson, Vincent TBB WR

 

 

Six trades in three days? Nothing is ever dull in this league, that's for sure!

[420allstars 13]

 

Six trades in three days? Nothing is ever dull in this league, that's for sure!

 

Hit me up next time you need a guy Madd..

[420allstars 13]

This board is slower than hell,

 

Brutal

[madd futher mucker 36]

A couple more Fat Bastards dynasty trades:

 

1. Duh Namastes gave up Cruz, Victor NYG WR

Schmucks gave up Davis, Knile FA RB;Blackmon, Justin JAC WR

 

2. The Mighty Pinksburg Orgasmics gave up Year 2013 Draft Pick 2.05

Schmucks gave up Year 2013 Draft Pick 2.12;Year 2013 Draft Pick 3.02

 

The first trade was interesting because it gives a glimpse into a couple of guy's ideas of value for Knile Davis.

[ralphster 274]

2013 TE prospects? How would you rank the following players?

 

Toby Fleener

Jordan Cameron

Dwayne Allen

Brandon Myers

Tony Moeaki

Jermaine Gresham

[Kopy 592]

2013 TE prospects? How would you rank the following players?

 

Toby Fleener

Jordan Cameron

Dwayne Allen

Brandon Myers

Tony Moeaki

Jermaine Gresham

Allen

Gresham

 

Myers

Fleener

 

Moeaki

 

Cameron

[Voltaire 5,485]

2013 TE prospects? How would you rank the following players?

 

Toby Fleener

Jordan Cameron

Dwayne Allen

Brandon Myers

Tony Moeaki

Jermaine Gresham

 

Myers

Cameron

Moeaki

Allen

Gresham

Fleener

 

Myers came on strong last year and now replaces Bennett with the Giants. He's in a great situation since Giants TEs always produce. NYGiants have a 2nd year guy to keep an eye on that may eat Myers' lunch. The name escapes me.

 

Cameron will have a big year if he wins the job and I think he will. His coach and OC both rely heavily on TEs and this guy has a great skill set but lacks a resume. Great sleeper here. Sux of all people -who never makes any slick FA moves- shocked the hell out of me by picking him up as a FA last year. Cameron was totally on my radar but I couldnt find roster room. Later I traded away Owen Daniels in a package for Cam Newton. To cushion the blow, I got Scott Chandler back in that deal who then went on to blow out his knee. Anyways, I am really hot for this Jordan Cameron kid.

 

Moeaki looked fine his rookie year despite having warmed over poo at QB. He lost a year to a torn ACL and was mediocre last year coming off of it. I think having a decent QB will help, as will another year of rest. Andy Reid could use him like he did Celek-those are pretty good numbers. Of the three desperation Hail Marys I launched for TE help (FAs I picked up the week before the window closed), Moeaki has the best chance to pan out.

 

Allen and Fleener would be great on different teams but by being together they hold each other back. Allen is OK since he has low end TE2 numbers but I wouldn't want Fleener in dynasty. He and Allen both have three more years on their contract plus another one as a RFA. It's too long to wait. I'm always pressed for roster space and I'd rather have his roster spot free than sit on him for four years.

 

Gresham isn't all that special. Too many dropsies. Production is decent for a TE2. Expect more of the same. Unlike everybody else you've listed, there's no upside here.

[MTSkiBum 1,626]

Rookie Pick 1.08

 

 

 

or

 

2014 First round rookie pick(probably 1.08-1.12)

3.10 Rookie Pick

Sidney Rice

[madd futher mucker 36]

This is a tough choice but I'd go with the multiple picks/ Sidney Rice side of this.