Back surgery for Gronk?

[chroniciguana 13]

 

Rob Gronkowski (TE - NE) According to Mike Garafolo of USA Today Sports, Patriots tight end Rob Gronkowski is having back problems and may need to undergo surgery. The person, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the Patriots' policy of not publicly detailing injuries, said the issue is with a different disc than the one that needed to be shaved down in via surgery 2009 and that a final decision on whether surgery will be required has not yet been made. The person said Gronkowski will see noted spine specialist Robert Watkins in the near future, after next week's surgery to install a new plate into his forearm. The person said the hope is, if surgery on his back is required, Gronkowski will be back within the same time frame as his recovery from the arm injury, which he initially suffered in November but has been prolonged because of an infection in the limb. (RotoInfo.com)

 

 

[IGotWorms 3,315]

Dude's falling apart.

[Frozenbeernuts 1,652]

Thankfully i did not trade graham for gronk.

[Frozenbeernuts 1,652]

What does this do for grahams value? If it appears gronk could be hindered by these injuries does graham become even more valuable due to the lack of elite TE?

[Cuda1337 1]

Man I feel bad for this guy. I also wouldn't touch him with a 10ft pole this year. WAAAY to many surgeries.

[rholio 339]

What does this do for grahams value? If it appears gronk could be hindered by these injuries does graham become even more valuable due to the lack of elite TE?

 

I don't see much effect on Graham's value, it's Hernandez that takes a big jump in value imo.

[lesjroza 70]

If you guys owned Gronk what kind of an offer would you accept at this point? Would you pull the trigger if an offer came in for Josh Gordon + Kyle Rudolph for Gronk?

 

If its easier BeerNuts assume it was Graham. What would you take?

[IGotWorms 3,315]

If you guys owned Gronk what kind of an offer would you accept at this point? Would you pull the trigger if an offer came in for Josh Gordon + Kyle Rudolph for Gronk?

 

If its easier BeerNuts assume it was Graham. What would you take?

You'll have to sell low right now, so I probably would just hold on to him and hope for the best.

[lesjroza 70]

You'll have to sell low right now, so I probably would just hold on to him and hope for the best.

 

I don't want to sell, I want to buy. I will probably wait until Sunday but I am going to send a couple of offers out. Is Gordon and Rudolph realistic? Non-starter? Do you think everyone who owns him would rather just ride it out?

[Cstriker 2]

i would wait for surgery to be done successfully and sell on any good news while the brand name is still reasonably high. Back surgeries to repair disks etc are a high risk proposition. You rarely have the same confidence in high impact activities, not to mention taking hits etc, because its a life long condition. There is no way to cure a disk ailment 100%. I suffer through one and have to do a lot of physical therapy just to be able to run without pain. And mine is considered a Grade1 herniation with some degeneration.

[WhiteWonder 2,172]

 

I don't want to sell, I want to buy. I will probably wait until Sunday but I am going to send a couple of offers out. Is Gordon and Rudolph realistic? Non-starter? Do you think everyone who owns him would rather just ride it out?

 

i think most who own him would ride it out. TE is deep but i believe Gronk is firmly #1. No offense to Graham. Remember, the Patriots lost key weapons in Welker and Lloyd. Gronk would be relied upon even more. Grahams role remains relatively unchanged and while he dealt with his wrist last year we saw a regression across the board. Gronk appeared to be on track for close to his 2011 #'s

[weepaws 2,460]

will i would look for someone to trade him with or right now dump im off to imo .....and graham moves up to the for sure number one spot and hernadez moves up to number two imo

[weepaws 2,460]

 

I don't see much effect on Graham's value, it's Hernandez that takes a big jump in value imo.

i agree graham moves up one ..but to me hernandez moves to the number two spot

[Cuda1337 1]

You'll have to sell low right now, so I probably would just hold on to him and hope for the best.

 

 

Hold on to him and wait for a sign of good news. The Pats will trying to make it seem like Gronk is good during training camp. Once things look good, sell high (relatively speaking) realizing that in all likelyhood this guy is gonna have trouble this year.

[Frozenbeernuts 1,652]

If you guys owned Gronk what kind of an offer would you accept at this point? Would you pull the trigger if an offer came in for Josh Gordon + Kyle Rudolph for Gronk?

 

If its easier BeerNuts assume it was Graham. What would you take?

I would not trade graham for gordon and rudolph.

 

Gronk at this point... i dont own him in any league so i am not sure. My initial reaction is no.

 

Rholio, i am curious why you see no value difference on graham after this news. Gronk being hurt doesnt affect graham in any way on the field, but it makes the TE position more lean than it already is. Shouldnt that by default make the top TE more valuable?

[WhiteWonder 2,172]

. Gronk being hurt doesnt affect graham in any way on the field, but it makes the TE position more lean than it already is. Shouldnt that by default make the top TE more valuable?

 

the TE position is lean? I mean, 2 studs for sure (pending gronk news) but then I see roughly 12 guys i'd feel fine with based on their values. and that doesn't include guys like Jared Cook, Pettigrew and Heath Miller who is sneaky good if healthy

[weepaws 2,460]

i keep reading that h miller might not be back for the start of the reg season ..and might even miss the first half of the season . makes the te postion even more lean

[Frozenbeernuts 1,652]

the TE position is lean? I mean, 2 studs for sure (pending gronk news) but then I see roughly 12 guys i'd feel fine with based on their values. and that doesn't include guys like Jared Cook, Pettigrew and Heath Miller who is sneaky good if healthy

Ok there are a ton of decent TE out there. When there ends up being two that outscore the rest of the field by 100 points doesnt that make the ones at the top more valuable.

 

If one of those players is injured doesnt it make the other TE more valuable also?

 

I am usually not comfortable with the other TEs out there because they are so damn inconsistent. It just seems hard to find a TE in the middle of the season off of the ww who will give solid output for more than one lucky game.

[DrG 94]

Graham is tier 1 te all by. Himself now

[IGotWorms 3,315]

I wouldn't rank Hernandez #2 because he misses so many damn games. He certainly has a very high ceiling this year though, IF he can stay on the field.

[Matts Eagles 25]

I just traded Gronk for Pettigrew, pick 1.4 (Levon Bell), and a 2014 2ndrounder...

 

Then I acquired Hernandez in this deal

 

I gave

RGIII, Fleener, Michael Turner, Austin Pettis

 

I got

Hernandez, Jake Locker, Sam Bradford, Donald Brown and a 2014 1st rounder

 

 

 

[rholio 339]

I would not trade graham for gordon and rudolph.

 

Gronk at this point... i dont own him in any league so i am not sure. My initial reaction is no.

 

Rholio, i am curious why you see no value difference on graham after this news. Gronk being hurt doesnt affect graham in any way on the field, but it makes the TE position more lean than it already is. Shouldnt that by default make the top TE more valuable?

 

I have Graham as the #1 TE already, so he didn't change there. Word is Gronk will be ready by training camp right now, so not much change with him other than risk factor. When Gronk has missed time before, Hernandez has filled the gap quite well. So, if Gronk is out, Hernandez slides into that 1B slot for me, behind Graham's 1A.

 

Plus, TE is deeper than ever right now. Graham is on top of the hill, but the base of that hill is a lot wider than it used to be.

[WhiteWonder 2,172]

Ok there are a ton of decent TE out there. When there ends up being two that outscore the rest of the field by 100 points doesnt that make the ones at the top more valuable.

 

If one of those players is injured doesnt it make the other TE more valuable also?

 

I am usually not comfortable with the other TEs out there because they are so damn inconsistent. It just seems hard to find a TE in the middle of the season off of the ww who will give solid output for more than one lucky game.

 

yes, what you said above is mostly correct. The top two tight ends are more valuable. But i must point out that they came nowhere close to outscoring the rest of the field by 100 points. Adrian Peterson outscored all other RB's by 50 points but that doesn't make the position lean. I think talking yourself into thinking the TE position is lean will ultimately make you reach for a top TE wayyyy too early.

 

after those guys you're still going to have Hernandez and Gonzo in a redraft. Witten. Upside plays like Vernon Davis. Younger guys showing lots of promise like Rudolph, Pitta, Gresham, Myers... Olsen has been solid in carolina, Owen Daniels.. Gates still holds some value. Granted, none of these guys are going to leave you feeling 100% confident in your TE position each week but the difference in confidence between a Graham and a Olsen can't be much worse than the difference in confidence between a Matt Forte and a Rahsard Mendenhall

[Frozenbeernuts 1,652]

yes, what you said above is mostly correct. The top two tight ends are more valuable. But i must point out that they came nowhere close to outscoring the rest of the field by 100 points. Adrian Peterson outscored all other RB's by 50 points but that doesn't make the position lean. I think talking yourself into thinking the TE position is lean will ultimately make you reach for a top TE wayyyy too early.

 

after those guys you're still going to have Hernandez and Gonzo in a redraft. Witten. Upside plays like Vernon Davis. Younger guys showing lots of promise like Rudolph, Pitta, Gresham, Myers... Olsen has been solid in carolina, Owen Daniels.. Gates still holds some value. Granted, none of these guys are going to leave you feeling 100% confident in your TE position each week but the difference in confidence between a Graham and a Olsen can't be much worse than the difference in confidence between a Matt Forte and a Rahsard Mendenhall

When talking immediately after the draft i agree. When you are into the second half of the season though there really arent any TEs that can be had on the ww that will have much of an impact. You can find rbs week to week if you need them. Finding a viable starting TE is tough after draft day. Brandon myers had some solid games but he was probably rostered relatively early in the season.

[stonewall 647]

Now is the time to buy Gronk. Kinda reminds me of ADP's situation last year. The news has all been negative, but he is a young guy and will be back to form this season, I suspect. Hopefully, drafters will still be bearish on him come redraft time too. He is a guy that can potentially get you several wins each year in games that you would have otherwise lost. That = playoffs.

[WhiteWonder 2,172]

When talking immediately after the draft i agree. When you are into the second half of the season though there really arent any TEs that can be had on the ww that will have much of an impact. You can find rbs week to week if you need them. Finding a viable starting TE is tough after draft day. Brandon myers had some solid games but he was probably rostered relatively early in the season.

 

i don't think its all that easy to find breakout RB's off waivers. and when they materialize, it's usually after an in game injury which means they are #1 on weekly waivers.

 

WR's are easy to find mid season even off FCFS.

 

i'd have to look at it but I feel like there has to be some break out TE's that have popped up in recent years.

 

even so, its also an issues of demand. If the league starts 1 TE but 2 RB and potentially a flex RB, demand for RB's will be much higher and good ones will be harder to come by,.

[Frozenbeernuts 1,652]

i don't think its all that easy to find breakout RB's off waivers. and when they materialize, it's usually after an in game injury which means they are #1 on weekly waivers.

 

WR's are easy to find mid season even off FCFS.

 

i'd have to look at it but I feel like there has to be some break out TE's that have popped up in recent years.

 

even so, its also an issues of demand. If the league starts 1 TE but 2 RB and potentially a flex RB, demand for RB's will be much higher and good ones will be harder to come by,.

Yeah i didnt mean there are rbs growing on the WW tree all season. And usually they arent useful for more than a few games, but they can be had. Its just a lot more rare to find a TE week to week that can have any impact.

 

I am not trying to argue for graham #1 overall compared to AP. Just trying to see if anyone is thinking along the same lines as me with value.

[WhiteWonder 2,172]

I am not trying to argue for graham #1 overall compared to AP. Just trying to see if anyone is thinking along the same lines as me with value.

 

 

yeah i understand. i guess my feeling is even if gronk misses significant time due to injury, its not going to make me value Graham any more than I already did. Which is as a 3rd rounder (because i just don't feel a TE any earlier pays dividends). At the same time i'm not likely to have him on any redraft teams because even though I have no problem with him being draft in the early 3rd or even late 2nd, It won't be by me.

 

i don't think making him the only stud TE makes much difference as opposed to there being 2 stud TE's.

 

[murf74 461]

Man I feel bad for this guy. I also wouldn't touch him with a 10ft pole this year. WAAAY to many surgeries.

Yeah, all that partying and being a multimillionaire is a terrible curse

[GreenTD 56]

Man I feel bad for this guy. I also wouldn't touch him with a 10ft pole this year. WAAAY to many surgeries.

What's there to feel sorry about? The fact that he had the initial injury was unfortunate. But going out & partying like a college frat doosh & body slamming your buddies is completely his fault. Nope sorry, no pity party being thrown by me for Gronk.

 

Gronkowski was a major part of me winning my keeper league 2 years ago as a 13th round flyer & was driving my team towards another championship last season before his injury. I couldn't replace his steady production from the tight end spot after that & lost in the semifinals.

 

I hope he can get healthy & have a productive career once again, but you won't hear me saying "poor Gronk".

[IGotWorms 3,315]

What's there to feel sorry about? The fact that he had the initial injury was unfortunate. But going out & partying like a college frat doosh & body slamming your buddies is completely his fault. Nope sorry, no pity party being thrown by me for Gronk.

 

Gronkowski was a major part of me winning my keeper league 2 years ago as a 13th round flyer & was driving my team towards another championship last season before his injury. I couldn't replace his steady production from the tight end spot after that & lost in the semifinals.

 

I hope he can get healthy & have a productive career once again, but you won't hear me saying "poor Gronk".

 

I don't really disagree with your assessment, but man, who takes this stuff so personally??

[GreenTD 56]

 

I don't really disagree with your assessment, but man, who takes this stuff so personally??

Not sure what part of my post came off as that I took Gronk's injury/antics personally but that's not the case.

 

IGW, you're a Patriots fan I believe, what's your thoughts on your star tight-end possibly causing himself more setbacks with a reoccurring injury? Especially when that reoccurring injury is partly due, or seems to be, because he's doing things off the field that probably has Belicheck & Kraft fuming.

[Electric Mayhem 35]

Maybe Brady needs to take him aside, explain to him what it means to be a Patriot, give him a pair of Uggs and a big bro-hug. Then they can go to 'Patriot-approved' offseason activities like water parks and smelling their own farts.

[tanatastic 2,061]

Hes done, maybe even for his career. Off my draft board entirely and its just gonna be surgery after surgery for gronk til he retires. It was fun while it lasted. this is all prob worst case scenario but its just not making me confident and def not early 2nd rnd confident.

[WhiteWonder 2,172]

 

Profootballtalk.com reports the lingering infection has cleared from Rob Gronkowski's arm, and his new plate was installed during Monday's surgery.

Gronkowski emerged from surgery Monday afternoon. The new plate will continue to hold together the fracture in his left forearm, which was surgically repaired four times because of complications due to the infection. Gronkowski is now expected to undergo back surgery in 3-4 weeks, the recovery timetable for which will last roughly ten weeks. He's still got a good chance to get in some late-training camp time, and be all systems go for Week 1 at Buffalo.

 

 

 

Good news for Gronk owners. The back surgery is supposed to be minor and should sync up with his timetable for the arm. The good news is no infection. Had there been, week 1 would have been unlikely.

 

Those looking to unload him can use this good news to their advantage.

[IGotWorms 3,315]

Not sure what part of my post came off as that I took Gronk's injury/antics personally but that's not the case.

 

IGW, you're a Patriots fan I believe, what's your thoughts on your star tight-end possibly causing himself more setbacks with a reoccurring injury? Especially when that reoccurring injury is partly due, or seems to be, because he's doing things off the field that probably has Belicheck & Kraft fuming.

I think he's an idiot and it does make me like him less as a player. But that's as a fan of a real football team, not as an owner of a fantasy team.

[lesjroza 70]

 

 

 

Good news for Gronk owners. The back surgery is supposed to be minor and should sync up with his timetable for the arm. The good news is no infection. Had there been, week 1 would have been unlikely.

 

Those looking to unload him can use this good news to their advantage.

 

 

If anyone does own him and is looking to unload him, what would it take?

also, if anyone sees any trades get done involving him can we post them here or in the dynasty thread?

 

The offers I sent out for him came right back at me rejected in a hurry.

[The Moz 69]

I knew Gronk was maybe done when he just rolled on his forearm and broke it easily in the playoffs. If Gronk is 100% he is by far the best TE in football (FF) -- TE is a position I steer clear of becasue theres really only 1 great 1 now.

[GreenTD 56]

I think he's an idiot and it does make me like him less as a player. But that's as a fan of a real football team, not as an owner of a fantasy team.

I agree with you IGW, but my opinion that he's an idiot is predicated on the basis of an NFL/football fan as well, instead of his value on my fantasy team.

 

Just for arguments sake, who would you pair with AJ Green (7th rounder-last year he can be kept)?

 

Jamaal Charles (2nd rounder-2 more years)

Steven Ridley (5th rounder-2 more years)

RGIII (6th rounder-2 more years)

Rob Gronkowski (13th rounder-last year he can be kept)

 

Full PPR, 3 point bonuses for 100 rushing/receiving yards & 300 passing yards. 12-team league & I have the last pick. I'll have the 12th overall pick & 13th (1/2 turn).

Notable names that have to be thrown back due to contracts expiring or being 1st rounders previous year (they can't be kept) are AP, Foster, Rice, McCoy, Megatron, Julio, Brady, Rodgers, Brady, Brees.

If anyone else feels like chiming in, I'd greatly appreciate it. Gonna be mulling this decision up to the day I declare my keepers prior to the draft.

[WhiteWonder 2,172]

I agree with you IGW, but my opinion that he's an idiot is predicated on the basis of an NFL/football fan as well, instead of his value on my fantasy team.

 

Just for arguments sake, who would you pair with AJ Green (7th rounder-last year he can be kept)?

 

Jamaal Charles (2nd rounder-2 more years)

Steven Ridley (5th rounder-2 more years)

RGIII (6th rounder-2 more years)

Rob Gronkowski (13th rounder-last year he can be kept)

 

Full PPR, 3 point bonuses for 100 rushing/receiving yards & 300 passing yards. 12-team league & I have the last pick. I'll have the 12th overall pick & 13th (1/2 turn).

Notable names that have to be thrown back due to contracts expiring or being 1st rounders previous year (they can't be kept) are AP, Foster, Rice, McCoy, Megatron, Julio, Brady, Rodgers, Brady, Brees.

If anyone else feels like chiming in, I'd greatly appreciate it. Gonna be mulling this decision up to the day I declare my keepers prior to the draft.

 

I would automatically toss out Ridley and RG3. Can't justify keeping a QB, even at a 6th round value, coming off an injury and plays with a style prone to being injured again.... especially when you can get similar or better QB's in the 6th-8th anyway. Ridley just doesn't do it for me.

 

While not an amazing value compared to AJ Green for a 7th, Charles is still a very nice value as a 2nd round pick. Gronk is a tremendous value as a 13th.

 

so i would decide between those 2.