Breaking Bad: The final episodes

[tikigods 76]

Oh boy....interesting start.

 

Long live Heisenberg!

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Stoked

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Loved the end ....

[TD Ryan2 316]

Wow. Everything we could have wanted to get this final stretch going.

 

- Saul' office with "neck brace" guy filling out forms.

 

- Jessie modern day Robin Hood

 

- Walt boldly lying to Jessie: that was more uncomfortable and disturbing than most TV violence

 

- The perfectly timed " you're the Devil" to Walt as Hank rejoins the group

 

- and Finally Hank shutting the garage and all that ensued. " If you don't know me.. I suggest you tread lightly". WOW. They line joins, "I am the one who knocks" as greatest ever.

 

Oh yeah - that flash forward intro was pretty kickass too.

 

[OldMaid 2,134]

Wow. Everything we could have wanted to get this final stretch going.

- Saul' office with "neck brace" guy filling out forms.

- Jessie modern day Robin Hood

- Walt boldly lying to Jessie: that was more uncomfortable and disturbing than most TV violence

- The perfectly timed " you're the Devil" to Walt as Hank rejoins the group

- and Finally Hank shutting the garage and all that ensued. " If you don't know me.. I suggest you tread lightly". WOW. They line joins, "I am the one who knocks" as greatest ever.

Oh yeah - that flash forward intro was pretty kickass too.

Damn... you beat me to it...

 

As usual, I 100% agree with your "notes".

 

 

Just one thing to add: the use of the Primus song.

[tikigods 76]

In the flash forward, he is driving a car with New Hampshire plates and carrying a New Hampshire driver's license.

 

Live free or die is our motto.

 

I'm sure that will be the theme of the last episode.

[TD Ryan2 316]

In the flash forward, he is driving a car with New Hampshire plates and carrying a New Hampshire driver's license.

 

Live free or die is our motto.

 

I'm sure that will be the theme of the last episode.

and to me, the car looked just like Mike's car???

 

More thoughts on last night's brilliant episode:

 

Walt and Hank:

the writers again do a great job of asking good or bad? right or wrong? and they do it cleverly in the conversation between Walt and Hank.

Walt:: you're destroying our family

Hank: I don't care about family

STOP!!!!! CONSIDER THAT!!!

As evil as Walt has become, the impetus for his actions is founded in goodness and nobility - he's a dying man that has played by the rules all his life but his family will be left struggling, and he wants to fix that before he's gone. Walt started out doing all of this FOR FAMILY.

And Hank will so easily claim he doesn't care about family - and we know he doesn't, not really, Hank's asswhole personality has revealed that over the years - family is not first for Hank - Hank's own "tough cop" ego, reputation, and job is what's first for him.

 

Why Breaking Bad is So Good:

So, I think I've figured this out. Most shows either reach too far to tie things together (ex. Dexter) or they know it's too much of a stretch so they just don't (ex. Sopranos).

Breaking Bad manages to satisfy all the questions and story lines without destroying its own credibility. It is thoroughly satisfying to viewers while maintaining its excellence. The writing, acting, storyline, cinematography, music... it really is perfectly done.

[tikigods 76]

The car at his house is Mike's. It has New Mexico license plates but the car at restaurant in the first episode of the series, it had NH tags. He gets the ricin from the power outlet at his old house, I'm guessing it is for him to use on himself in the final episode.

[TD Ryan2 316]

He gets the ricin from the power outlet at his old house, I'm guessing it is for him to use on himself in the final episode.

ahhh! thanks! it was ricin... I was going to have to re-watch to see exactly what it was he got... I didn't catch it at first (thought it was a key, but wasn't sure... thought at first he was going in looking for hidden cash).

 

quality prediction... the ricin is for himself at the end... maybe.

 

Any chance Hank sides with Walt? Any chance Hank "sees" Walt's side/angle and essentially gets "paid off"?

[tikigods 76]

ahhh! thanks! it was ricin... I was going to have to re-watch to see exactly what it was he got... I didn't catch it at first (thought it was a key, but wasn't sure... thought at first he was going in looking for hidden cash).

 

quality prediction... the ricin is for himself at the end... maybe.

 

Any chance Hank sides with Walt? Any chance Hank "sees" Walt's side/angle and essentially gets "paid off"?

 

It's pretty clear by the flash forwards that Walt is in hiding and lost everything. I'm guessing he either has just killed Hank and/or Hank is about to kill him. There is no way he can get close enough to kill Hank after that exchange in the garage so the ricin can't be for Hank. He is probably going to use it on Jesse, who is probably waiting for him somewhere as they are about to run.

[cbfalcon 827]

Walt and Hank:

the writers again do a great job of asking good or bad? right or wrong? and they do it cleverly in the conversation between Walt and Hank.

Walt:: you're destroying our family

Hank: I don't care about family

STOP!!!!! CONSIDER THAT!!!

 

I watched that scene with subtitles because Hank was hard for me to hear a few times. If memory serves, Hank said "YOU don't care about family" to Walt.

 

Maybe I am misremembering though.

[tikigods 76]

Hank says, "You don't give a sh1t about family!"

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Hank says, "You don't give a sh1t about family!"

 

Maybe TD Ryan 3 should delete that whole post.

[OldMaid 2,134]

It's pretty clear by the flash forwards that Walt is in hiding and lost everything. I'm guessing he either has just killed Hank and/or Hank is about to kill him. There is no way he can get close enough to kill Hank after that exchange in the garage so the ricin can't be for Hank. He is probably going to use it on Jesse, who is probably waiting for him somewhere as they are about to run.

 

I could have sworn I read somewhere that Hank isn't going to be around a lot in the final episodes... Mebbe because he had already accepted a role on Under the Dome. So with that knowledge... I would think that Walt gets rid of Hank, early on. So, I agree... the ricin probably isn't for him. It also appears that Walt's cancer is back... he was coughing a little in the opening scene, at the house; so, I'm not sure he would use it on himself. He's dying anyway...

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I could have sworn I read somewhere that Hank isn't going to be around a lot in the final episodes... Mebbe because he had already accepted a role on Under the Dome. So with that knowledge... I would think that Walt gets rid of Hank, early on. So, I agree... the ricin probably isn't for him. It also appears that Walt's cancer is back... he was coughing a little in the opening scene, at the house; so, I'm not sure he would use it on himself. He's dying anyway...

 

I'm sure the ricin is somehow going to be used with Jesse since every time Walt has used the ricin it has been in somehow related to him.

 

#JustLikeWhiteonRicin

[parrot 789]

Great episode. Loved the fact that they didn't fock around and got right down to brass tacks with Walt and Hank (of course they don't have much time to fock around with only 8 episodes left but I thought they still might draw it out.) Don't like where Jesse is at. Hopefully they don't plan to leave him in this funk for long.

 

Skinny and Badger discussing Star Trek was .

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Predictions on how it ends because I can't help but think ahead..

 

I suppose the most satisfying ending would be Jesse killing Walt. But that's unlikely as it doesn't really relate to the character transformation of Walt in any way. And the character arc is what the show is all about.

 

So I'll go with...Walt wins. He beats Hank. He beats Jesse. He is King. However the family is long gone and he is completely alone. Dying of cancer obviously....in his last moments he thinks about everything he has lost and destroyed, yet he is satisfied with how it all turned out. The final step in the character arc being that he realizes he cared more about winning the game than he did about the people in his life. Dies with a smile or smirk on his face.

[Herbivore 1,190]

 

I'm sure the ricin is somehow going to be used with Jesse since every time Walt has used the ricin it has been in somehow related to him.

 

#JustLikeWhiteonRicin

 

They gave the impression that the house has been empty for a while. He would only have to go back to get it if it was his only option. Leans to Walt using it on himself.

 

No way Hank let's it slide.

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It shows Walt getting chemo again, and he excuses himself from inner to retch, so we can assume that yes, the cancer is back. As to his claim that he will be dead in 6 months? I dont' thihk so. In the flash forwards, he has a full head of hair, the house is in shambles/boarded up, the neighbor freaks out seeing him after they were friendly in the normal episode (nice touch by the way), so for the time it takes for him to be found out, grow his hair back, get the machine gun etc etc and still look to be in preety decent health, I say he either kicks the cancer or outlived his prediction.

 

What we can infer from what we've seen:
- Everyone knows he is Heinserburg, including Walt Jr.
- His family is not in the house anymore. Dead? Witness protection? Jail for Skyler and Jr moves away?
- He is presumed dead by his neighbor's reaction to seeing him. Or on the run, but I'm guessing he stages his own death.
- He either kicked the cancer or outlived his timeline
- He is driving Mike's car, meaning he doesn't care that people may see him in Mike's car (including Jesse). So either Jesse is dead, or out of the picture, or he is about to go see him.

 

The drug chick isn't going to just go away. Either she flips on Walt as a way out into witness protection, or she gets some heavies involved resulting in the death of someone big (Walt Jr., Skyler, Jesse?).

 

My prediction is Hank blows Walt's cover and Sky/Jr are whisked away (Walt convinces Sly to flip on him to save Jr and herself). Walt goes on the run with Jesse but is tracked down by drug chick's cronies. They kill Jesse after he refuses to cook when Walt refuses. Walt escapes, gets the gun and the ricin, blows the hell out of the drug chick and her heavies, and takes the ricin as the cops are closing in.

[kutulu 1,695]

Ricin takes 3 to 5 days to kill someone...I don't think Walt would use that to off himself.

[Electric Mayhem 35]

Ricin takes 3 to 5 days to kill someone...I don't think Walt would use that to off himself.

Perhaps, but with the charges against him he would just die quietly in jail before a hearing.

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Also I read in another bored that it would be pretty easy for Walt to go to the DEA and"flip" on Hank for being along for the ride the whole time. All he would need to do is plant a block of cash at his house. The rest writes itself.

[cbfalcon 827]

The idea of Walt using the Ricin on himself doesn't make sense to me.

 

A. Assuming he is on the run, why risk going back to the house when he obviously has other means of killing himself. A gun? A rope? Jump?

B. The ricin has been behind the outlet for a long time now. So I assume nothing new is going to happen with it, leading to the deaths of someone Walt loves. Thus there is no symbolic or eye for an eye type reason to choose that death.

C...something something.

 

I'll assume the ricin is to take out whoever Walt's last enemy becomes.

[parrot 789]

I was just thinking about the Ricin being "Chekhov's gun" and Chekhov figured prominently in Badger's Star Trek script. I wonder if that was intentional?

[tikigods 76]

I was just thinking about the Ricin being "Chekhov's gun" and Chekhov figured prominently in Badger's Star Trek script. I wonder if that was intentional?

 

I don't think that was unintentional

[Electric Mayhem 35]

What was with Chkekov's gun again? I tought it was just an eating competition with his guts getting teleporter outside.

[TD Ryan2 316]

 

I watched that scene with subtitles because Hank was hard for me to hear a few times. If memory serves, Hank said "YOU don't care about family" to Walt.

 

Maybe I am misremembering though.

 

ahhh... that makes it a little different then.

[OldMaid 2,134]

I'm sure the ricin is somehow going to be used with Jesse since every time Walt has used the ricin it has been in somehow related to him.

 

#JustLikeWhiteonRicin

I was just thinking about the Ricin being "Chekhov's gun" and Chekhov figured prominently in Badger's Star Trek script. I wonder if that was intentional?

[tikigods 76]

What was with Chkekov's gun again? I tought it was just an eating competition with his guts getting teleporter outside.

 

Chekhov's Gun is in reference to Russian author Anton Chekhov. It's his idea of foreshadowing.

 

Here are some examples:

 

http://www.uproxx.com/tv/2012/07/a-brief-history-chekhovs-gun-breaking-bad/

[parrot 789]

 

Chekhov's Gun is in reference to Russian author Anton Chekhov. It's his idea of foreshadowing.

 

Here are some examples:

 

http://www.uproxx.com/tv/2012/07/a-brief-history-chekhovs-gun-breaking-bad/

 

 

Paraphrasing, Chekhov said "If you introduce a gun in the first act, you better fire it in the third act."

[cbfalcon 827]

So I'll go with...Walt wins. He beats Hank. He beats Jesse. He is King. However the family is long gone and he is completely alone. Dying of cancer obviously....in his last moments he thinks about everything he has lost and destroyed, yet he is satisfied with how it all turned out. The final step in the character arc being that he realizes he cared more about winning the game than he did about the people in his life. Dies with a smile or smirk on his face.

 

Let me add to this....

 

In the end, nobody will know him as Walt. The show will end with him 100% being referred to as Heisenberg. Transformation 100% complete.

[tikigods 76]

 

Let me add to this....

 

In the end, nobody will know him as Walt. The show will end with him 100% being referred to as Heisenberg. Transformation 100% complete.

 

I kind of agree with this.

 

I also think the neighbor was stunned to see him because he is supposed to be dead. Does Walt now kill her?

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Breaking Bad Kids Musical.

 

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[parrot 789]

I got the impression that Walt didn't give much of a fock that Carol saw him. He rolled in there in broad daylight and didn't seem real concerned with whether he was seen or not. Makes me think he has nothing left to lose and is preparing to go out in a blaze of glory.

[tikigods 76]

I got the impression that Walt didn't give much of a fock that Carol saw him. He rolled in there in broad daylight and didn't seem real concerned with whether he was seen or not. Makes me think he has nothing left to lose and is preparing to go out in a blaze of glory.

 

she had quite a look of shock.

[parrot 789]

 

she had quite a look of shock.

 

Yeah, but it seems like his secret life has gone pretty public judging by the "HEISENBERG!" graffiti. Clearly he's supposed to be dead or on the run/in hiding. I just didn't see any indication that he might kill her because she saw him. He didn't seem to give much of a fock and even confirmed his identity for her with the "Hello Carol".

[nobody 2,854]

I think he somehow ended up in witness protection. He came back to cover his tracks. He painted the Heisenberg in the house himself trying to fake a threat to get in witness protection. Carol is shocked to see him because she thought he was dead.

 

Walt never fires the M60. Walt plants it on someone's property to set them up for something.

[Electric Mayhem 35]

Walt never fires the M60. Walt plants it on someone's property to set them up for something.

I dunno - he explicitly asked for the operaters manual when he bought it from the guy at the diner.

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Also I spent some time on that uproxx site - they have some very interesting dialogue and insight related to BB if you read the articles and comments. Most of the 'clues' I had picked up on by watching the show - I'm sure it's much easier when you see them back to back on Netflix like I did - but a few I would not have caught.

 

It makes you wonder how much they plan these shows in advance. You almost think that they have all 5 seasons story-boarded before they begin filming. So many things are referenced in later episodes. These writers are freakin' awesome.

[tikigods 76]

Also I spent some time on that uproxx site - they have some very interesting dialogue and insight related to BB if you read the articles and comments. Most of the 'clues' I had picked up on by watching the show - I'm sure it's much easier when you see them back to back on Netflix like I did - but a few I would not have caught.

 

It makes you wonder how much they plan these shows in advance. You almost think that they have all 5 seasons story-boarded before they begin filming. So many things are referenced in later episodes. These writers are freakin' awesome.

 

I felt the same way about the Sopranos. The writers were amazing and that show finished strong.