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Took me like 20.1 seconds to find this article.

Discovered how to use google after all these years, didya?

 

Yer mom must be proud.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

bunny bastards,

west virginia, new mexico, alaska and south dakota are some of the whitest states in the union.

yet, you cannot blame their low rankings on blacks.

how can you make the ridiculous comment that children in black schools in new orleans are demoted 2 grades when they enter atlanta schools.

is there even a city blacker than atlanta??? the kids went from a black city to another black city. duh!!

also, just because a lot of blacks live in these southern states does not mean that they are the reason for the failures of the school system.

alabama is ranked low. yes, there are a lot of blacks that live there but 70% of the population is white.

yes, poor black crime ridden neighborhoods are a damn horror. i'm a product of one. that does not mean that all black in these neighborhoods are dumb, are prone to crime and are naturally bound toward single parenthood or filling the jails.

there are good and bad people in every economic strata of society.

all white states aren't the best and all rich states aren't the best.

try, try, try, please, not to be racist.

i actually voted for you as geek of the year.

you're making me regret that choice.

It has nothing to do with dumb. Nobody is trying to argue racial intellectual inferiority. Problem is, in those inner city communities, the few kids who are motivated to succeed are terrorized. It's a cultural/systemic failure, not a biological one.

 

And yes, the same problem exists to a large degree in poor ass cracker white bumfock too, although, those tend to be smaller communities where some accountability still exists.

[KSB2424 3,173]

It has nothing to do with dumb. Nobody is trying to argue racial intellectual inferiority. Problem is, in those inner city communities, the few kids who are motivated to succeed are terrorized. It's a cultural/systemic failure, not a biological one.

 

And yes, the same problem exists to a large degree in poor ass cracker white bumfock too, although, those tend to be smaller communities where some accountability still exists.

This is what I was getting at, but called racist for doing so.

 

I've come to realize its simply impossible to have this honest conversation. If you do not watch exactly how you preface the conversation you will be labeled a racist, and that label sticks and has consquences. It's almost impossible to have this conversation here, at the Geek Club. It's political and/or professional suicide to even attempt it in real life.

 

Which is a shame, because its less about pointing fingers and more about changing the root causes. As opposed to fixing the side effects and sugar coating everything so white people can feel good about themselves.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,433]

This is what I was getting at, but called racist for doing so.

 

I've come to realize its simply impossible to have this honest conversation. If you do not watch exactly how you preface the conversation you will be labeled a racist, and that label sticks and has consquences. It's almost impossible to have this conversation here, at the Geek Club. It's political and/or professional suicide to even attempt it in real life.

 

Which is a shame, because its less about pointing fingers and more about changing the root causes. As opposed to fixing the side effects and sugar coating everything so white people can feel good about themselves.

 

What if you leave the terms "black" and "white" out of the discussion, which you did not do? If you are saying that it is a socio-economic issue where there are multiple factors, such as median income, parental education, spending on schools, etc. then you are fine. None of those are specific to a particular color of person.

 

There are white trash places that have the same issues as black projects places. Take the color out of the discussion and you might have better luck. If you do think that it is genetic and related to the color of their skin, then you are racist.

[TimmySmith 2,783]

As someone who came through one of the top states (and the top county in the state) here are my thoughts about Maryland:

 

1. Demographically - wealthy with a heavy dose of whites and asians. (Asians are the key, IMO)

2. We pay a -ton of taxes. Teacher salaries are ridiculous.

3. Border the most desired white collar city in America, so educated people (from all over the world) flock here with their kids creating a highly competitive academic environment.

 

The fact that we are #2 with Crackmore City in the equation is impressive.

[Giants Fan 85]

As one of the many people strangled in student loan debt and trying to adapt to a new economy ... let me say ...

 

My post HS Education started in 1988 ... ended in 2004 with a career inbetween. Computers and art. Shoulda been, and was for awhile, a match made in heaven, as I learned to set type.

 

I taught college level graphic design courses for 2 years. Made bupkus.

 

I also believe we should raise the min wage.

 

ETA: My great-grandfather was President of the University of Maryland. Go Terps!

 

My Dad grew up in Baltimore .... says it's just a shiathole now.

[KSB2424 3,173]

 

What if you leave the terms "black" and "white" out of the discussion, which you did not do? If you are saying that it is a socio-economic issue where there are multiple factors, such as median income, parental education, spending on schools, etc. then you are fine. None of those are specific to a particular color of person.

 

There are white trash places that have the same issues as black projects places. Take the color out of the discussion and you might have better luck. If you do think that it is genetic and related to the color of their skin, then you are racist.

 

What you are imploring to do is the "sugar coating" part.

 

I saw a statistic recently that something like (I'm paraphrasing based off memory) 70% of AA's are born out of wedlock. Whites were in the middle at like 35% an Asians were like 15%.

Another stat I read about highly educated folks was almost the inverse, in the same order.

 

Its just my opinon, but culutural things like that are not mutually exclusive, I think there is a coorelation there. And it has to do with the imbedded cultures.

[Giants Fan 85]

Yeah .... seriously .... you know Woods Hall @ Maryland?

 

Yep.

 

I was born and raised in Tucson, AZ.

 

Been too many basketball stars to talk about much of anything else. The team this year is just ... it's like a college team, with 5 pro starters.

 

97 we won it all ... this team has a lot more talent as a whole.

 

Of course ... we've never choked. Cough ... cough ... Santa Clara.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,433]

 

What you are imploring to do is the "sugar coating" part.

 

I saw a statistic recently that something like (I'm paraphrasing based off memory) 70% of AA's are born out of wedlock. Whites were in the middle at like 35% an Asians were like 15%.

Another stat I read about highly educated folks was almost the inverse, in the same order.

 

Its just my opinon, but culutural things like that are not mutually exclusive, I think there is a coorelation there. And it has to do with the imbedded cultures.

 

I think that this is why you are coming off as racist. You are inferring a causal effect of being black with those issues. What if a black child is adopted from one of those bad areas and is brought up in a nice neighborhood? What if a white family grows up in one of those bad neighborhoods?

 

There is a difference between "imbedded cultures" and color of someone's skin. That is not sugar coating the issues of those embedded cultures, it is looking at the people as people and not by the color of their skin.

[KSB2424 3,173]

 

I think that this is why you are coming off as racist. You are inferring a causal effect of being black with those issues. What if a black child is adopted from one of those bad areas and is brought up in a nice neighborhood? What if a white family grows up in one of those bad neighborhoods?

 

There is a difference between "imbedded cultures" and color of someone's skin. That is not sugar coating the issues of those embedded cultures, it is looking at the people as people and not by the color of their skin.

 

I've not once implied nor stated that the color one's skin determines how "smart" you can be. In fact a couple times the contrary has been stated. The color of skin means nothing, that stupid. However to ignore there are real life cultural things going on within "races" is just being PC. And it ultimately hurts progress; We aren't doing anyone any favors by doing so.

[Giants Fan 85]

Here's the stat that brings in the recruits:

 

In the Pac 12, who has sent the most players to the NBA in the past 25 years?

 

What school would you guess. UCLA? Stanford?

 

It's Arizona.

 

Racist?

 

I'm racist towards rednecks.

 

The North Carolina Tar Heels .... can suck my bawls!

[Giants Fan 85]

Steve Kerr ... Bulls game 7 ... final shot. Money. FTW.

 

Arizona Wildcat.

 

Michael who?

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,433]

 

I've not once implied nor stated that the color one's skin determines how "smart" you can be. In fact a couple times the contrary has been stated. The color of skin means nothing, that stupid. However to ignore there are real life cultural things going on within "races" is just being PC. And it ultimately hurts progress; We aren't doing anyone any favors by doing so.

 

I can tell you that I am not a real PC guy. However, whenever I read your comments and then I re-read them, I see that you are talking about color of skin. For example:

 

I saw a statistic recently that something like (I'm paraphrasing based off memory) 70% of AA's are born out of wedlock. Whites were in the middle at like 35% an Asians were like 15%.

 

Use of the terms, "AA", "Whites" and "Asians" to categorize the issue is breaking things down by race and not by the reasons that this may be happening. I think that the issues, causes and solutions are very complex and that simplifying them down to single factors put barriers up to the discussion.

 

That is not to say that there aren't folks who don't want to hear or discuss the situation without interpreting the person speaking as being racist. I am just giving you a view from an educated white guy.

[Giants Fan 85]

That Bulls team had a lot of AZ Wildcats. Anyone remember Judd Buechler?

[Giants Fan 85]

 

I can tell you that I am not a real PC guy. However, whenever I read your comments and then I re-read them, I see that you are talking about color of skin. For example:

 

 

Use of the terms, "AA", "Whites" and "Asians" to categorize the issue is breaking things down by race and not by the reasons that this may be happening. I think that the issues, causes and solutions are very complex and that simplifying them down to single factors put barriers up to the discussion.

 

That is not to say that there aren't folks who don't want to hear or discuss the situation without interpreting the person speaking as being racist. I am just giving you a view from an educated white guy.

 

 

Asians make awesome point guards.

 

Prove me wrong.

[Giants Fan 85]

Too short? C'mon .... go ahead and let your racism fly.

[KSB2424 3,173]

But Patsfatboy is right, a white person can't have this conversation. For true change to come about it has to come from within. It has to come from strong black leaders who have the balls to take these issues head on. And we do see this in pockets from time to time. There is a movement from within for change, and that is ultimatley what it will take.

 

As an analogy (not the same thing but same thought about change from within), fighting terrorism and muslim extremism will not change until peaceful Islams condemn the extremists internally. The change has to come from within. There has to be a shift where the peaceful muslims publically denounce the extremists.

[Giants Fan 85]

It's very hard for most people to judge someone on actual merits they may deserve, instead of physical appearance.

 

In todays economy, I would not suggest a college education for my kid. Be a plumber, learn to fix electric cars ... etc ... the old economic paradigm where a good education or big t!ts ensures a good job, has changed.

 

Have a basic skill.

[Giants Fan 85]

Big t!ts ... naturals ... prolly still find work ... but it aint 1983 anymore.

 

Before 1983 ... some women had saggy boobs.

 

Particularly ... girls I fondled that had big boobs, back then.

 

Prolly why I have saggity boobwarts on my toes.

[FeelingMN 273]

I can tell you that I am not a real PC guy. However, whenever I read your comments and then I re-read them, I see that you are talking about color of skin. For example:

 

 

 

Use of the terms, "AA", "Whites" and "Asians" to categorize the issue is breaking things down by race and not by the reasons that this may be happening. I think that the issues, causes and solutions are very complex and that simplifying them down to single factors put barriers up to the discussion.

 

That is not to say that there aren't folks who don't want to hear or discuss the situation without interpreting the person speaking as being racist. I am just giving you a view from an educated white guy.

But race does exist. I don't think it's bad to recognize differences and discuss them. To not do so is simply an attempt at being politically correct.

 

I think racism is a word that's thrown about way too casually. And in this thread I think it was jumping the gun to assume anyone was espousing racist attitudes. On the flip side, those accused of racist attititudes....who really want to have a discussion about race....take their ball and go home because the other side won't see race through the same filter....they're not being honest....or are being too naive. If you want to have a discussion, be prepared to have people disagree with you....make a counterpoint and go from there. Don't arbitrarily decide what makes for a good honest discussion.

 

The only thing I took issue with in this thread was KSB's appraisal of a certain part of AA culture. It's cool to be a thug? It's a badge of honor to be shot? How can he say that? Is it from personal experience or from media depictions? I can see where he's coming from when you watch TV....and I bet a lot of kids think that way. But is that way of life engrained in cultural attitudes? It's like saying Meth use is cool in a certain subset of the white community....but it's not. And we don't treat it as a "white" issue. We treat it as a drug/health issue.

 

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,433]

But race does exist. I don't think it's bad to recognize differences and discuss them. To not do so is simply an attempt at being politically correct.

 

I think racism is a word that's thrown about way too casually. And in this thread I think it was jumping the gun to assume anyone was espousing racist attitudes. On the flip side, those accused of racist attititudes....who really want to have a discussion about race....take their ball and go home because the other side won't see race through the same filter....they're not being honest....or are being too naive. If you want to have a discussion, be prepared to have people disagree with you....make a counterpoint and go from there. Don't arbitrarily decide what makes for a good honest discussion.

 

The only thing I took issue with in this thread was KSB's appraisal of a certain part of AA culture. It's cool to be a thug? It's a badge of honor to be shot? How can he say that? Is it from personal experience or from media depictions? I can see where he's coming from when you watch TV....and I bet a lot of kids think that way. But is that way of life engrained in cultural attitudes? It's like saying Meth use is cool in a certain subset of the white community....but it's not. And we don't treat it as a "white" issue. We treat it as a drug/health issue.

 

 

I agree that race exists. It is a factor in all sorts of things like susceptibility to certain diseases and other things related to genetics. We should embrace that we are different and be mature enough to talk about it without being offensive or being offended unreasonably.

 

However, I think that it is far too easy to look at physical characteristics and assume that they are a factor in differences that have many other, more important, causes. I believe they call it prejudice because you are prejudging something. Since at least some of this prejudice is latent and exists in all of us, it is really hard to not have it play at least a role in all discussions where there are different races of people involved.

[KSB2424 3,173]

But Patsfatboy is right, a white person can't have this conversation. For true change to come about it has to come from within. It has to come from strong black leaders who have the balls to take these issues head on. And we do see this in pockets from time to time. There is a movement from within for change, and that is ultimatley what it will take.

 

Don Lemon, CNN Achor, says what somebody like me simply can't (for fear of reprucussion). Of course he would be considered an Uncle Tom for doing so, but this guy has the balls to say what needs to be said. Kudos to him. Its people like Lemon who are truely trying to help, instead of deflecting, blaming others and/or make excuses.

 

[FeelingMN 273]

Don Lemon, CNN Achor, says what somebody like me simply can't (for fear of reprucussion). Of course he would be considered an Uncle Tom for doing so, but this guy has the balls to say what needs to be said. Kudos to him. Its people like Lemon who are truely trying to help, instead of deflecting, blaming others and/or make excuses.

 

The whole reason race popped up in a thread about education is because states with a lot of blacks had poorly rated school systems....the insinuation being the poor ranking was influenced by race. Is that addressing any sort of issue or just deflecting and blaming blacks? Seems like there's a way to improve academic performance....and it has nothing to do with race.

 

I agree with Lemon. You wanna be taken seriously, act a certain way. Take pride in your community. Speak like you wanna be understood. That goes for folks in Appalachia....on reservations....in the ghetto.

 

I'm not gonna pretend I don't see where you're coming from. I do. I just know working with black kids.....from broken homes in poor neighborhoods with parents who have a sh!tload of problems.....it is easy to say what should be done. It is focking hard to change behavior and to try to break the cycle that a lot of people find themselves in. Ultimately that change has to be brought about by the individuals most affected.

[KSB2424 3,173]

I just know working with black kids.....from broken homes in poor neighborhoods with parents who have a sh!tload of problems.....it is easy to say what should be done. It is focking hard to change behavior and to try to break the cycle that a lot of people find themselves in. Ultimately that change has to be brought about by the individuals most affected.

 

Agreed. It has to be a generational change, something like that isn't going to happen overnight, or even overdecade. However the first step to any "problem" is admitting there is one and identifying the root cause. If you are an alchoholic the first step is what? Admitting to yourself you are an alcholohic. "Hi, My name is John Smith and I'm and alcoholic." Years before an alcholohic admits that, they blame others or are in denial. Only when they take ownership can they truely change.

 

 

Obviously its not a 1:1 analogy but the taking ownership first part is appropos, and my point.

 

Much like the alcholic a lot of bad shit probably happened to them in the past, but at a certain point that doesn't matter anymore and it turns from a reason to an excuse. And by hanging on to those excuses the same cycle keeps a turning and nothing changes. Nobody said it was easy.

[The Moz 71]

USA as a whole ranks 18th in the world

[IGotWorms 4,063]

I'm not saying blacks are inferior, I'm just saying any educational system that includes blacks is doomed to fail. Geez lay off me you whiny PC police

[FeelingMN 273]

Agreed. It has to be a generational change, something like that isn't going to happen overnight, or even overdecade. However the first step to any "problem" is admitting there is one and identifying the root cause. If you are an alchoholic the first step is what? Admitting to yourself you are an alcholohic. "Hi, My name is John Smith and I'm and alcoholic." Years before an alcholohic admits that, they blame others or are in denial. Only when they take ownership can they truely change.

 

 

Obviously its not a 1:1 analogy but the taking ownership first part is appropos, and my point.

 

Much like the alcholic a lot of bad shit probably happened to them in the past, but at a certain point that doesn't matter anymore and it turns from a reason to an excuse. And by hanging on to those excuses the same cycle keeps a turning and nothing changes. Nobody said it was easy.

 

Here's a question.....does the white community have any issues to address as whites? I know the usual folks will come in here and talk about how it's politically incorrect to have a white community. Whatever.

 

How come whites don't view obesity as a white problem? Greed....financial ruin....infidelity? There are dudes here who downplay a college education as nothing but liberal indoctrination. Seems like we categorize those problems more specifically than just by race.

 

[KSB2424 3,173]

I'm not saying blacks are inferior, I'm just saying any educational system that includes blacks is doomed to fail. Geez lay off me you whiny PC police

 

English?

[KSB2424 3,173]

 

Here's a question.....does the white community have any issues to address as whites? I know the usual folks will come in here and talk about how it's politically incorrect to have a white community. Whatever.

 

How come whites don't view obesity as a white problem? Greed....financial ruin....infidelity? There are dudes here who downplay a college education as nothing but liberal indoctrination. Seems like we categorize those problems more specifically than just by race.

 

 

Honest answer? Not sure.

 

Maybe its a numbers game. Whites have been the majority so are more diverse as a race (not that its good or bad). You have rednecks, hipsters, cowboys, jocks, nerds, trailer trash, wanna be hip hoppers, on and on. Not that minorities are not diverse within their subset but I'd argue they are less diverse. Wasn't it like 90+ percent of AA's all vote for the same party? I'm pretty sure whites are split between more religions evenly. Sure you have diversity, but it seems to me most AA's enjoy the same music. Maybe bonding together is a side effect of being a minority? Stick togetherness? Which leads to the universal sterotypes? I'm just spitballin here.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

 

English?

I'm just saying, I have no problem with black people but of course nobody wants them going to school with their kids. Geez why is that so bad to say? I'm just calling 'em as I see 'em

[KSB2424 3,173]

I'm just saying, I have no problem with black people but of course nobody wants them going to school with their kids. Geez why is that so bad to say? I'm just calling 'em as I see 'em

Ahhh, you're being deliberately obtuse. Got it now.

[BunnysBastatrds 2,596]

 

Here's a question.....does the white community have any issues to address as whites? I know the usual folks will come in here and talk about how it's politically incorrect to have a white community. Whatever.

 

How come whites don't view obesity as a white problem? Greed....financial ruin....infidelity? There are dudes here who downplay a college education as nothing but liberal indoctrination. Seems like we categorize those problems more specifically than just by race.

 

Two words...... Wal Mart.

 

And you're a racist for bringing up race. Oh wait...... You brought up whitey. My bad. That doesn't count.