Cruzer 1,995 Posted April 9, 2014 Dustin Johnson choking in one major doesn't/shouldn't label him a CHOKER. If he did it 8 other times in majors like Westwood and Sergio then we can talk. DJ is a titan in the world of major championship golf underachievement. He's also a known choke artist. We are talking now - HTH. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,580 Posted April 9, 2014 DJ has choked far more than once in a major Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruzer 1,995 Posted April 9, 2014 DJ has choked far more than once in a major Don't confuse KSB with facts. He's prolly Googling now to see what you're talking about. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,148 Posted April 9, 2014 DJ has choked far more than once in a major edjr you consider a "choke" as anyone that has a bad shot with the lead in a golf tournament, we've been through this before. You pretty think every golf tournmanent has chokes. If a golfer is in the top 10 on Saturday and loses you will say they choked. A verly liberal (not poltical liberal but the actual term liberal) perspective on what is and what is not a choke. But thats not the question. Who would you consider a bigger choke artist in their career? Lee Westwood, Sergio Garcia, or Dustin Johnson? The mere length of career lends itself to one of the others is my point. But we can argue all day over nonsense. Just be prepared to be dissapointed when Lee Westwood is leading after Friday and ends up finishing 21st. I've bet on him for years and have been there. Fool me once, shame on me, fool me 15 times? Shame on Westwood. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,148 Posted April 9, 2014 Don't confuse KSB with facts. He's prolly Googling now to see what you're talking about. I never inferred DJ hasn't had his shortcomings in tournamnets. In fact in my very first post where you mentioned it, I said: Touche' Do you know what that means? It means I was saying....good one, great point. However we are comparing Westwood and Sergio to DJ. And two of those are older, have been choking longer than the other. Which is my point. HTH Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,580 Posted April 9, 2014 Don't confuse KSB with facts. He's prolly Googling now to see what you're talking about. I think he has choked every major at least once, sans the Masters Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,580 Posted April 9, 2014 edjr you consider a "choke" as anyone that has a bad shot with the lead in a golf tournament, we've been through this before. You pretty think every golf tournmanent has chokes. A verly liberal (not poltical liberal but the actual term liberal) perspective on what is and what is not a choke. But thats not the question. Who would you consider a bigger choke artist in their career? Lee Westwood, Sergio Garcia, or Dustin Johnson? The mere length of career lends itself to one of the others is my point. But we can argue all day over nonsense. Just be prepared to be dissapointed when Lee Westwood is leading after Friday and ends up finishing 21st. I've bet on him for years and have been there. Fool me once, shame on me, fool me 15 times? Shame on Westwood. Because he hasn't choked as often or as bad as Westwood and Garcia, doesn't make him any less of a choker. Not knowing the rules at the Pga and grounding his club, that's just inexcusable and having the lead going into the final round of the US open and shooting 82? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,148 Posted April 9, 2014 Because he hasn't choked as often or as bad as Westwood and Garcia, doesn't make him any less of a choker. Sure it does. Most every golfer, in that sport is going to "choke". Its the nature of the sport. Arnold Palmer choked, Tigers choked, Rory's choked all of them have choked, its part of golf. You are swinging a small faced club, on a small ball, in a pressure situation. All golfers will choke at some point and normally multiple times. When you are fairly young its sort of expected. When you are 40 and still doing it, without ever breaking through, you can officially be labeled a Choker. 5 or 6 years from now if DJ still hasn't won a major, and has had several more chances that he gave away on Sunday then he will be in the same boat as Lee Westwood and Sergio Garcia. But that is five years away. Not sure what else to say. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruzer 1,995 Posted April 9, 2014 Just be prepared to be dissapointed when Dustin Johnson is leading after Friday and ends up finishing 21st. Agreed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DankNuggs 305 Posted April 9, 2014 Sergio is a choke artist Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,580 Posted April 9, 2014 Sergio is a choke artist One of the biggest all time chokers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
patweisers44 840 Posted April 9, 2014 Work draft. 16 entrants. Four round draft. 1.13 - Jordan Spieth 2.04 - Luke Donald 3.13 - Branden Grace 4.04 - Matt Every. Shoulda wiped my azz with the 50 bucks i think Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dain11279 968 Posted April 9, 2014 One of the biggest all time chokers. And one of the biggest head cases. I could never get behind a guy who comes right out and says "I'm not good enough to win a major" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,580 Posted April 9, 2014 Work draft. 16 entrants. Four round draft. 1.13 - Jordan Spieth 2.04 - Luke Donald 3.13 - Branden Grace 4.04 - Matt Every. Shoulda wiped my azz with the 50 bucks i think Did you get to draft or did you pick them from a hat? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fumbleweed 543 Posted April 10, 2014 :thumbsup:The 4th hole is generally the toughest hole on the course. First guy to birdie it today?? Tom Watson. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fumbleweed 543 Posted April 10, 2014 Garcia has also won 20+ tournaments world-wide. He's choked before obviously, but he's won a lot, too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fumbleweed 543 Posted April 10, 2014 Birdies on 1 and 2 for Webb Simpson. Good start for a guy that can contend at Augusta most certainly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruzer 1,995 Posted April 10, 2014 It's really pissing me off that Billy won't let us see a live feed of the tournament at work. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fumbleweed 543 Posted April 10, 2014 Live feeds start in about 20 minutes... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruzer 1,995 Posted April 10, 2014 Live feeds start in about 20 minutes... Sweet! Where at - Espn? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,580 Posted April 10, 2014 Live feeds start in about 20 minutes... There is no live feed, (amen corner only) you're fulla sh1t The only live feed until 3pm is Amen Corner Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruzer 1,995 Posted April 10, 2014 There is no live feed, (amen corner only) you're fulla sh1t The only live feed until 3pm is Amen Corner Hell I'll take it! If going to have to watch a 3 hole stretch, ain't any better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruzer 1,995 Posted April 10, 2014 Watching Crenshaw putt never, never, gets old. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
parrot 789 Posted April 10, 2014 There is no live feed, (amen corner only) you're fulla sh1t The only live feed until 3pm is Amen Corner If Amen Corner is a live feed, how is he 'fulla sh1t'? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dain11279 968 Posted April 10, 2014 Damn there isn't a breath of wind at that place right now. Flags aren't budging Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fumbleweed 543 Posted April 10, 2014 Edjr...don't know why you have to be so rude. Masters.com has live feeds of Amen Corner, 15 & 16, and a couple of Featured Groups. Not full of anything. Calm down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fumbleweed 543 Posted April 10, 2014 Adam Scott and Rory have both started strong....-2 through six holes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,580 Posted April 10, 2014 Edjr...don't know why you have to be so rude. Masters.com has live feeds of Amen Corner, 15 & 16, and a couple of Featured Groups. Not full of anything. Calm down. Sorry Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fumbleweed 543 Posted April 10, 2014 I doubt if anyone wants to win this tournament more than Brandt Snedeker. Off to a nice start again at -3 through 10. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fumbleweed 543 Posted April 10, 2014 Adam Scott now clear of the field by two shots. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BunnysBastatrds 2,409 Posted April 10, 2014 http://sports.yahoo.com/news/-phil-mickelson-decides-he-can-win-masters-without--special--clubs-192645685.html I like Phil but that's pretty damn arrogant. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fumbleweed 543 Posted April 10, 2014 Adam Scott puts it in the water at 12 and double-bogeys. Bill Haas now -4 and clear of the field by 2 shots. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruzer 1,995 Posted April 10, 2014 I doubt if anyone wants to win this tournament more than Brandt Snedeker. Off to a nice start again at -3 through 10. Un - except Westwood, Garcia, and local & fellow GT alum Kooch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fumbleweed 543 Posted April 10, 2014 Have you ever seen Snedeker interviewed about the Masters? It is his singular focus in golf. But, I agree that winning a major at this point in their careers would mean everything to Westwood and/or Garcia. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruzer 1,995 Posted April 10, 2014 Have you ever seen Snedeker interviewed about the Masters? It is his singular focus in golf. But, I agree that winning a major at this point in their careers would mean everything to Westwood and/or Garcia. Yes I have. And as focused and passionate as Sneds is about the Masters - multiply that times 100 and you might sniff what this would mean to Kooch. Walking these grounds as a kid, attending GT in Bobby Jones' footsteps, playing as an amateur in '98 to the roars of "Kooch, Kooch, Kooch". It's not even close........ And then there are the likes of you and countless others beating Westwood & Garcia's balls into the dirt about being chokers and major failures - not just this week, but for years. Sneds may want it - but he's way in the back of the line as far as how bad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fumbleweed 543 Posted April 10, 2014 -2 for Spieth now through 13. Would be awesome to see him in the mix on the weekend. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fumbleweed 543 Posted April 10, 2014 Huh? When have I beat anyone's balls into the dirt? Not following you there at all. I am very positive when it comes to golfers- all golfers. And, I root hard for Westwood. What the hell are you talking about? (Very confused) You must have me mixed up with someone else. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
