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Could he? Sure - he has all the skills to do it still. But unlike Couples' syrupy swing, and Watson's rythmic timing - TW's swing is a violent collision of force. He's only 38 and yet his body is about as broken down as a 10-year NFL starting rb. This combined with the fact that his short game is miles and miles away from where it used to be, and the fact he's become too damn mechanical - I just don't see it happening. The British Open would prolly be his best shot - but I'd certainly kiss away our national Open.

Is tiger Shaun Alexander or Ricky Watters?

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3rd $6500.00
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1 Rory McIlroyNorthern Ireland 7 5 4 3 $28,717
2 Adam ScottAustralia 2 5 5 3 $27,672
3 Phil MickelsonUnited States 5 9 6 0 $26,523
4 Jason DayAustralia 4 3 2 2 $23,977
5 Matt KucharUnited States 11 9 7 6 $22,502
6 Henrik StensonSweden 3 6 4 1 $21,323
8 Dustin JohnsonUnited States 10 7 5 5 $20,526
9 Bubba WatsonUnited States 12 8 6 5 $20,127
10 Justin RoseEngland 6 6 4 2 $19,866
11 Zach JohnsonUnited States 9 10 9 4 $18,875
12 Brandt SnedekerUnited States 20 10 7 1 $18,425
14 Keegan BradleyUnited States 18 11 9 2 $17,972
15 Jordan SpiethUnited States 13 11 8 4 $17,539
16 Jason DufnerUnited States 16 7 6 3 $16,774
17 Hunter MahanUnited States 32 8 6 4 $16,728
18 Louis OosthuizenSouth Africa 35 6 2 1 $16,635
20 Luke DonaldEngland 27 6 5 2 $16,264
21 Lee WestwoodEngland 38 9 6 0 $16,071
22 Patrick ReedUnited States 22 11 8 2 $15,998
24 Graeme McDowellNorthern Ireland 14 6 5 5 $15,678
25 Jimmy WalkerUnited States 26 13 11 4 $15,650
26 Hideki MatsuyamaJapan 25 9 6 2 $14,806
27 Harris EnglishUnited States 36 13 12 6 $14,769
28 Webb SimpsonUnited States 24 10 8 5 $14,746
30 Rickie FowlerUnited States 40 11 6 2 $14,485
32 Victor DubuissonFrance 21 5 4 1 $13,935
33 Bill HaasUnited States 31 11 10 2 $13,918
34 Graham DeLaetCanada 30 10 8 5 $13,892
35 Gary WoodlandUnited States 48 10 8 3 $13,661
36 Matt JonesAustralia 90 12 9 1 $13,501
37 Ryan MooreUnited States 33 10 8 4 $13,486
38 Thorbjorn OlesenDenmark 66 4 0 0 $13,373
39 Nick WatneyUnited States 44 9 6 0 $13,231
40 Marc LeishmanAustralia 68 9 6 2 $13,197
41 K.J. ChoiSouth Korea 99 9 7 1 $12,791
42 Jamie DonaldsonWales 28 5 4 2 $12,715
43 Peter HansonSweden 69 6 3 0 $12,601
44 Ernie ElsSouth Africa 34 8 5 1 $12,586
45 Matt EveryUnited States 42 11 10 5 $12,417
46 Fred CouplesUnited States 515 1 0 0 $12,269
47 Francesco Molin…Italy 46 5 4 1 $12,221
48 Billy HorschelUnited States 47 12 7 1 $12,211
49 Matteo ManasseroItaly 51 6 4 1 $12,122
50 Trevor ImmelmanSouth Africa 222 13 7 1 $12,012
51 Russell HenleyUnited States 49 13 8 2 $11,692
52 Martin KaymerWest Germany 60 6 3 1 $11,654
53 Gonzalo Fernand…Spain 41 8 5 0 $11,564
54 Branden GraceSouth Africa 57 6 3 0 $11,503
55 Chris KirkUnited States 52 12 11 2 $11,414
56 Thomas BjornDenmark 29 4 3 0 $11,324
57 Brendon de JongeZimbabwe 79 13 9 0 $11,289
58 Stephen GallacherScotland 37 4 2 1 $11,083
59 John SendenAustralia 58 12 10 2 $11,051
60 Joost LuitenNetherlands 43 3 1 0 $10,995
61 Jonas BlixtSweden 54 11 6 0 $10,777
62 Miguel Angel Ji…Spain 39 3 2 0 $10,680
63 Kevin StreelmanUnited States 45 9 7 1 $10,661
64 Stewart CinkUnited States 177 11 8 0 $10,604
65 Tim ClarkSouth Africa 114 10 6 1 $10,586
66 Kevin StadlerUnited States 59 11 9 2 $10,513
67 Scott StallingsUnited States 61 12 4 1 $10,317
68 Sang-Moon BaeSouth Korea 123 11 7 0 $10,298
69 John HuhUnited States 144 12 7 0 $10,129
70 David LynnEngland 65 9 5 0 $10,110
71 Y.E. YangSouth Korea 350 13 9 0 $10,077
72 Thongchai JaideeThailand 50 3 2 1 $9,982
73 Vijay SinghFiji 159 11 6 1 $9,916
74 Boo WeekleyUnited States 67 10 8 0 $9,775
75 Lucas GloverUnited States 313 14 4 0 $9,744
76 Steven BowditchAustralia 134 14 8 1 $9,534
77 Roberto CastroUnited States 86 10 6 0 $9,533
78 Ken DukeUnited States 129 11 9 0 $9,325
79 Bernhard LangerWest Germany 916 - - - $9,311
80 D.A. PointsUnited States 87 12 7 0 $9,203
81 Darren ClarkeNorthern Ireland 312 7 3 0 $9,137
82 Mike WeirCanada 690 14 4 0 $9,081
83 Chang-woo LeeSouth Korea 566 - - - $8,938
84 Matthew Fitzpat… 995 1 0 0 $8,770
85 Garrick PorteousEngland - - - - $8,738
86 Jordan NiebruggeUnited States - - - - $8,702
87 Oliver GossEngland 963 - - - $8,670
88 Tom WatsonUnited States 995 - - - $8,480
89 Mike McCoyUnited States - - - - $8,453
90 Jose Maria Olaz…Spain 482 - - - $8,451
91 Derek ErnstUnited States 168 14 5 0 $8,414
92 Mark O'MearaUnited States - - - - $8,186
93 Sandy LyleEngland 981 - - - $8,086
94 Ian WoosnamWales - - - - $7,950
95 Craig StadlerUnited States - - - - $7,913
96 Larry MizeUnited States - - - - $7,900
97 Ben CrenshawUnited States - - - - $7,693

 

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Last year's hot, trendy pick was Matteo Manassero - I predicted he'd miss the cut, he did. This year the name seems to be Graham Delaet. Like Manassero, DeLaet has game - but 1st time Masters rookies do not win Green Jackets. You have to go back 35 years to Fuzzy Zoeller - don't see it happening here. For that matter J. Spieth won't contend either. I look for both to struggle to make the cut.

 

As they said on the GC this morning - when Rory putts bad he's still good. When he putts great Rory is damn near unbeatable. If his finds his stroke this week we could see another repeat of what he did to Congressional at the US Open.

 

Outside of Rory, I'm not in love with any of the other top 10 or so obvious favorites. There are a handful of young guys who could win this thing - but again, forget about any 1st timers. I still Like Z. Johnson, Kooch, and C. Schwartzel, and maybe H. Mahan.

 

Manassero doesn't have the length for Augusta. He might do well at Hoylake this summer, though. I know Delaet is a trendy pick, but I didn't want to shy away from him for that reason alone. Sometimes, a guy is a trendy pick simply because lots of people recognize that his game fits a course well. I do agree with you about Spieth, though. I think he'll break through at a major sometime in the next 2-3 years, but I don't think it will be this one. One guy I do like that you mentioned is Schwartzel. He has the game for Augusta (obviously) and his game is fairly sharp right now. I have him at #12 on my list behind Stenson...

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I also think that if there is a year for a first-timer to claim the title, it is this year. It PROBABLY won't happen, but seeing Harris English or Patrick Reed or Victor Dubuisson slip on a green jacket come Sunday would honestly not surprise me all that much.

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i know the forecast now is dry for the tourney, but if the course is wet (long) at all, Zach is gonna struggle. I believe he laid up a million times the year he won and his wedge play was out of this world that week. I am not sure he has that kind of week in him right now.

Zack did lay up to all the par 5's that week. That's his game, and he's really good at it. It's actually more unusual for him not to have it than to have it.

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I'd take Ryan Palmer over 3/4's of the ones listed on Edjr's post??

 

why?

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Zack did lay up to all the par 5's that week. That's his game, and he's really good at it. It's actually more unusual for him not to have it than to have it.

I recall him playing out of his mind with the wedge, like once in a career type week.

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i know the forecast now is dry for the tourney, but if the course is wet (long) at all, Zach is gonna struggle. I believe he laid up a million times the year he won and his wedge play was out of this world that week. I am not sure he has that kind of week in him right now.

Augusta drains beautifully. After tonight, there doesn't look to be any precipitation in the forecast for the rest of the week.

 

Looking at Zach's Masters record, other than the win it's rather unimpressive. T20, T32 twice, T35, 40th and cut three times in 9 appearances.

 

I still like the way he's been playing this year. I'll stick with him.

 

On a side note with this Patrick Reed fella. How great would it be if he had the 54 hole lead and waltz'd out onto the course Sunday afternoon wearing his red shirt and black pants a la tiger?? Which he will do.

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Thanks for the help fuckwads

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On a side note with this Patrick Reed fella. How great would it be if he had the 54 hole lead and waltz'd out onto the course Sunday afternoon wearing his red shirt and black pants a la tiger?? Which he will do.

Yea Reed makes no bones about it. Openly says that the reason he wears the red/black is bcoz TW is his idol - does it totally bcoz of him.... Normally Masters rookies do not fair well - but Reed is a special kind of 1st timer. Having played his college golf at Augusta St. - he isn't exactly new to the course. He could make some noise.

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Matt Jones :pointstosky:

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I recall him playing out of his mind with the wedge, like once in a career type week.

You haven't follwed his career much then.

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Top 5 Payouts
1st $20000.00
2nd $10000.00
3rd $6500.00
4th $4500.00
5th $3500.00
You get 100,000 salary to pick 6 golfers
1 Rory McIlroyNorthern Ireland 7 5 4 3 $28,717
2 Adam ScottAustralia 2 5 5 3 $27,672
3 Phil MickelsonUnited States 5 9 6 0 $26,523
4 Jason DayAustralia 4 3 2 2 $23,977
5 Matt KucharUnited States 11 9 7 6 $22,502
6 Henrik StensonSweden 3 6 4 1 $21,323
8 Dustin JohnsonUnited States 10 7 5 5 $20,526
9 Bubba WatsonUnited States 12 8 6 5 $20,127
10 Justin RoseEngland 6 6 4 2 $19,866
11 Zach JohnsonUnited States 9 10 9 4 $18,875
12 Brandt SnedekerUnited States 20 10 7 1 $18,425
14 Keegan BradleyUnited States 18 11 9 2 $17,972
15 Jordan SpiethUnited States 13 11 8 4 $17,539
16 Jason DufnerUnited States 16 7 6 3 $16,774
17 Hunter MahanUnited States 32 8 6 4 $16,728
18 Louis OosthuizenSouth Africa 35 6 2 1 $16,635
20 Luke DonaldEngland 27 6 5 2 $16,264
21 Lee WestwoodEngland 38 9 6 0 $16,071
22 Patrick ReedUnited States 22 11 8 2 $15,998
24 Graeme McDowellNorthern Ireland 14 6 5 5 $15,678
25 Jimmy WalkerUnited States 26 13 11 4 $15,650
26 Hideki MatsuyamaJapan 25 9 6 2 $14,806
27 Harris EnglishUnited States 36 13 12 6 $14,769
28 Webb SimpsonUnited States 24 10 8 5 $14,746
30 Rickie FowlerUnited States 40 11 6 2 $14,485
32 Victor DubuissonFrance 21 5 4 1 $13,935
33 Bill HaasUnited States 31 11 10 2 $13,918
34 Graham DeLaetCanada 30 10 8 5 $13,892
35 Gary WoodlandUnited States 48 10 8 3 $13,661
36 Matt JonesAustralia 90 12 9 1 $13,501
37 Ryan MooreUnited States 33 10 8 4 $13,486
38 Thorbjorn OlesenDenmark 66 4 0 0 $13,373
39 Nick WatneyUnited States 44 9 6 0 $13,231
40 Marc LeishmanAustralia 68 9 6 2 $13,197
41 K.J. ChoiSouth Korea 99 9 7 1 $12,791
42 Jamie DonaldsonWales 28 5 4 2 $12,715
43 Peter HansonSweden 69 6 3 0 $12,601
44 Ernie ElsSouth Africa 34 8 5 1 $12,586
45 Matt EveryUnited States 42 11 10 5 $12,417
46 Fred CouplesUnited States 515 1 0 0 $12,269
47 Francesco Molin…Italy 46 5 4 1 $12,221
48 Billy HorschelUnited States 47 12 7 1 $12,211
49 Matteo ManasseroItaly 51 6 4 1 $12,122
50 Trevor ImmelmanSouth Africa 222 13 7 1 $12,012
51 Russell HenleyUnited States 49 13 8 2 $11,692
52 Martin KaymerWest Germany 60 6 3 1 $11,654
53 Gonzalo Fernand…Spain 41 8 5 0 $11,564
54 Branden GraceSouth Africa 57 6 3 0 $11,503
55 Chris KirkUnited States 52 12 11 2 $11,414
56 Thomas BjornDenmark 29 4 3 0 $11,324
57 Brendon de JongeZimbabwe 79 13 9 0 $11,289
58 Stephen GallacherScotland 37 4 2 1 $11,083
59 John SendenAustralia 58 12 10 2 $11,051
60 Joost LuitenNetherlands 43 3 1 0 $10,995
61 Jonas BlixtSweden 54 11 6 0 $10,777
62 Miguel Angel Ji…Spain 39 3 2 0 $10,680
63 Kevin StreelmanUnited States 45 9 7 1 $10,661
64 Stewart CinkUnited States 177 11 8 0 $10,604
65 Tim ClarkSouth Africa 114 10 6 1 $10,586
66 Kevin StadlerUnited States 59 11 9 2 $10,513
67 Scott StallingsUnited States 61 12 4 1 $10,317
68 Sang-Moon BaeSouth Korea 123 11 7 0 $10,298
69 John HuhUnited States 144 12 7 0 $10,129
70 David LynnEngland 65 9 5 0 $10,110
71 Y.E. YangSouth Korea 350 13 9 0 $10,077
72 Thongchai JaideeThailand 50 3 2 1 $9,982
73 Vijay SinghFiji 159 11 6 1 $9,916
74 Boo WeekleyUnited States 67 10 8 0 $9,775
75 Lucas GloverUnited States 313 14 4 0 $9,744
76 Steven BowditchAustralia 134 14 8 1 $9,534
77 Roberto CastroUnited States 86 10 6 0 $9,533
78 Ken DukeUnited States 129 11 9 0 $9,325
79 Bernhard LangerWest Germany 916 - - - $9,311
80 D.A. PointsUnited States 87 12 7 0 $9,203
81 Darren ClarkeNorthern Ireland 312 7 3 0 $9,137
82 Mike WeirCanada 690 14 4 0 $9,081
83 Chang-woo LeeSouth Korea 566 - - - $8,938
84 Matthew Fitzpat… 995 1 0 0 $8,770
85 Garrick PorteousEngland - - - - $8,738
86 Jordan NiebruggeUnited States - - - - $8,702
87 Oliver GossEngland 963 - - - $8,670
88 Tom WatsonUnited States 995 - - - $8,480
89 Mike McCoyUnited States - - - - $8,453
90 Jose Maria Olaz…Spain 482 - - - $8,451
91 Derek ErnstUnited States 168 14 5 0 $8,414
92 Mark O'MearaUnited States - - - - $8,186
93 Sandy LyleEngland 981 - - - $8,086
94 Ian WoosnamWales - - - - $7,950
95 Craig StadlerUnited States - - - - $7,913
96 Larry MizeUnited States - - - - $7,900
97 Ben CrenshawUnited States - - - - $7,693

 

 

Day, Spieth, Dustin Johnson, Sneds, Woodland, Choi

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You haven't follwed his career much then.

 

Agreed. Zach Johnson is one of if not the best wedge player of his generation. It wasn't something he just did once on a "career week".

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You haven't follwed his career much then.

I meant at Augusta. Agree he is a great wedge player, but that was a week like not many others at augusta. for him, Luke donald , jim furyk or any other good wedge player.

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I meant at Augusta. Agree he is a great wedge player, but that was a week like not many others at augusta. for him, Luke donald , jim furyk or any other good wedge player.

 

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i know the forecast now is dry for the tourney, but if the course is wet (long) at all, Zach is gonna struggle. I believe he laid up a million times the year he won and his wedge play was out of this world that week. I am not sure he has that kind of week in him right now.

 

 

He didn't go for one par five the entire tornament when he won it. He laid up on all of them. Very disciplined golfer. He's my pick also.

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Thanks for the help fuckwads

 

 

Zach Johnson- Previous winner who's playing very strong this year. Has a funny looking putter

Rory McLory- He's the number one seed for a reason. His nickname is "Rors"

Bubba Watson- Previous winner with some very large ones and the General Lee

Lee Westwood- He's come close a couple times. My wood points west also.

Web Simpson- Golf name. "Web Simpsong owns a green jacket" sounds right.

Brandt Snedeker- Candy bar name. I like the way the announcer with the English accent says his name.

 

What do I win?

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Zach Johnson- Previous winner who's playing very strong this year. Has a funny looking putter

Rory McLory- He's the number one seed for a reason. His nickname is "Rors"

Bubba Watson- Previous winner with some very large ones and the General Lee

Lee Westwood- He's come close a couple times. My wood points west also.

Web Simpson- Golf name. "Web Simpsong owns a green jacket" sounds right.

Brandt Snedeker- Candy bar name. I like the way the announcer with the English accent says his name.

 

What do I win?

 

$109 bucks gets you an entry and a chance at $20,000

 

http://www.draftstreet.com/

 

I'm pretty sure the team you picked is WAY over 100,000 though.

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$109 bucks gets you an entry and a chance at $20,000

 

http://www.draftstreet.com/

 

I'm pretty sure the team you picked is WAY over 100,000 though.

 

 

Drop McLlroy for Russel Henley. $54 under the cap.

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Masters eve!!!! :banana:

 

My wagers for the week:

 

Kuchar: $20 to win $400

English: $10 to win $500

Freddie: $5 to win $750

 

Good luck to everyone betting this week :cheers:

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Here is the team I am rolling with.

 

*gulp*

 

Sergio Garcia $20,692
Lee Westwood $16,071
Nick Watney $13,231
Harris English $14,769
Charl Schwartzel $18,044
Jason Dufner $16,774

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Ed is it possible for you to link the league page in this thread? New phone lost all my favorites

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I believe the depth of talent on tour today is misleading. I believe the skill level isn't any more today than it was 30 years ago. What has happened is that technology has leveled out the playing field - guys once at the bottom are hitting it the same as those at the top. The average tour stop is nothing but a display of bomb driver, flip wedge, and putt. Not many outside of Bubba and a couple others actually manipulate their golf ball. Watching sponsor exemptions and kids go driver, 5 iron to par 5's is not very exciting. It's one of the reasons I enjoy watching the LPGA so much. They actually play golf there - and they aren't exactly terrible to look at anymore.

 

I agree the technology is a big factor in evening out the playing fields. But the other factor is that these guys all grew up with teachers and infinite access to 100x more info on proper swing mechanics than anyone did 30 years ago. Just think, back then the only way to figure out something new was trial and error, or a buddy giving you a tip. These days a 12 handicap like me has access to more swing info and tips than Gary Player had access to in his entire career.

 

In any venture, when everyone has the same information, the gaps from one person to the next narrow. Then add in the technology, which makes mishits more foregiving and whatnot, and the gaps narrow even more. I often claim the fields are deeper today, but I don't mean to imply the players are more talented today. I simply believe this narrowed gap makes it much more difficult to win now.

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Last year's hot, trendy pick was Matteo Manassero - I predicted he'd miss the cut, he did. This year the name seems to be Graham Delaet. Like Manassero, DeLaet has game - but 1st time Masters rookies do not win Green Jackets. You have to go back 35 years to Fuzzy Zoeller - don't see it happening here. For that matter J. Spieth won't contend either. I look for both to struggle to make the cut.

 

As they said on the GC this morning - when Rory putts bad he's still good. When he putts great Rory is damn near unbeatable. If his finds his stroke this week we could see another repeat of what he did to Congressional at the US Open.

 

Outside of Rory, I'm not in love with any of the other top 10 or so obvious favorites. There are a handful of young guys who could win this thing - but again, forget about any 1st timers. I still Like Z. Johnson, Kooch, and C. Schwartzel, and maybe H. Mahan.

 

One thing I love about Rory....Most of these other guys lose and seem to say/think "I just didn't get it done this week. That's golf"....Whereas Rory seems to actually examine his failures and learn from them. I have no doubt that loss at Honda helped him long term. The result is that it feels like Rory is building his game as we head into the Masters, whereas with most of these other guys, it will just come down to whether or not they have their A-game this week.

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Here is the team I am rolling with.

 

*gulp*

 

Sergio Garcia $20,692
Lee Westwood $16,071

 

 

Be prepared to be dissapointed on Sunday.

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Day, Spieth, Dustin Johnson, Sneds, Woodland, Choi

Be prepared to be dissapointed on Sunday.

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Be prepared to be dissapointed on Sunday.

 

Touche' :)

 

But you must admit, Sergio and Westwood are notorious Weekend Chokers.......two of the most talented golfers of this era who never seem to get it done. A group of my friends have a draft every Major and I wager a little bit for fun on the majors too. The past like 5 freakin' years I've either drafted or picked Westwood thinking "This is the year!@#!" only to be teased and dissapointed.

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Touche' :)

 

...two of the most talented golfers of this era who never seem to get it done.

DJ and Woodland - agreed.

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DJ and Woodland - agreed.

 

They've not been around nearly as long as Sergio and Westwood. It takes years and years of coming up short to get in Sergio and Lee's choke level. HTH

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They've not been around nearly as long as Sergio and Westwood. It takes years and years of coming up short to get in Sergio and Lee's choke level. HTH

Choke is choke - you didn't quantify it. HTH

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Choke is choke - you didn't quantify it. HTH

 

Wow you're being rather an ass today. Congrats. :)

 

A choke is a choke. A singular event of which lots and lots of golfers come up short. To be labled a CHOKER takes years and years of evidence.

 

Dustin Johnson choking in one major doesn't/shouldn't label him a CHOKER. If he did it 8 other times in majors like Westwood and Sergio then we can talk.

 

As an analogy, a 25 year old person who has a couple bad relationships can and should just chalk it up bad luck or just not picking the right mate by happenstance. The 40 year old who is still having strings of bad relationships needs to look in the mirror as maybe its not dumb luck or the other poeple, its them thats the problem. HTH

 

And I actually do not dislike Sergio or Westwood. I'd be happy if, especially Lee, won the Masters. I'd be thrilled for him to fiiiiinaaallllyyyy breakthrough. I'm just saying it feels like we've been saying that for a decade now is all. I've sort of given up on the thought.

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