**2014 Masters Thread**

[joeshushu 51]

Bye bye Freddy. Hate to see you sink into the H2O

[DankNuggs 305]

Speith is proving to be a whiny punk. Sounds like the type of you hate playing with

[Fumbleweed 555]

I am setting myself up for a huge fall. That is now 4 of the last 5 majors that I've picked the winner correctly. I couldn't do that again in 100 years.

[Cruzer 1,996]

Man, Cruzer...you are Mr. Bummer Man/Killjoy this week. Why the negative spin on everything?

Just bcoz one doesn't pop a boner over every named mentioned doesn't mean it's a negative vibe - it's reality. My picks sucked balls, but I did call the cut # and I was Also pretty dead on about the likes of DJ, Sneds, Stricker, Donald, DeLaet, and the rest of first timers.

 

Bubba is a great champion, he's doing to this course what mist feel DJ should be doing. After the last group both birdied 4 and 6, was shaping up to be one of the best Masters ever. Then it kind of turned into a snooze.

[edjr 7,012]

I didn't know Bubba married Brienne of Tarth

[NewbieJr 541]

Are the TV ratings out yet? I'd have to imagine they weren't very good. No Tiger. Phil missing the cut. No one really challenging Bubba on the back nine.

 

The best thing for golf would have been Spieth winning. The 20 year-old phenom who could have been billed as the next big thing.

[edjr 7,012]

Are the TV ratings out yet? I'd have to imagine they weren't very good. No Tiger. Phil missing the cut. No one really challenging Bubba on the back nine.

 

The best thing for golf would have been Spieth winning. The 20 year-old phenom cry baby who could have been billed as the next big thing.

 

I blame Tiger for the way Speith and so many other golfers act on the course now.

 

Did anyone drop their club after they hit the ball before tiger started doing it seven times a round?

 

For fock sakes. Speef dropped his club and made a remark and the ball still ended up 20 feet from the pin. I'm tired of it

[KSB2424 3,174]

 

I blame Tiger for the way Speith and so many other golfers act on the course now.

 

Did anyone drop their club after they hit the ball before tiger started doing it seven times a round?

 

For fock sakes. Speef dropped his club and made a remark and the ball still ended up 20 feet from the pin. I'm tired of it

 

Whats wrong with a little bit of emotion on the golf course? Both negative emotion and positive emotion is welcomed as far as I'm concerned. Obviously throwing clubs or wrapping one around a tree or things like that are way over the top, I'm not talking about that, but a little emotion is not only okay but good. A "come on Jordan, what are you doing?!?!" after a bad shot or a fist pump after a made putt makes them more human and not just lame ass robot golfers. It shows to me how much they are grinding, and how much they actually 'care'.

 

Just my opinion of course.

[KSB2424 3,174]

I am setting myself up for a huge fall. That is now 4 of the last 5 majors that I've picked the winner correctly. I couldn't do that again in 100 years.

 

Fumble, you're on fire with our picks. Well done sir, and well done with this thread as always. I look forward to your golf threads during the majors, keep em' coming.

[TimmySmith 2,783]

I am finally getting the picture that Masters Champions are born. The same players continue to play well there even when they are not significant (Couples, Langer, Mize, Wier) and win there (Bubba, Woods, Mick). Watson will win again, Speith win win in the future.

[KSB2424 3,174]

I am finally getting the picture that Masters Champions are born. The same players continue to play well there even when they are not significant (Couples, Langer, Mize, Wier) and win there (Bubba, Woods, Mick). Watson will win again, Speith win win in the future.

 

A lot has to do that the Masters is played on the same course every year. It's why they keep talking about how you "learn" to play that course over time. Whereas the US Open, The British Open, and the PGA rotate courses. It seems that certain players have either the game or the "eye" for Augusta over others. Angel Cabrera is another who seems to play well there too (even if not this year). Augusta fits Bubbas long and right to left shot making, so when he's dialed in he will be a factor.

[Cruzer 1,996]

 

I blame Tiger for the way Speith and so many other golfers act on the course now.

 

Did anyone drop their club after they hit the ball before tiger started doing it seven times a round?

Well actually, they did. Tiger may have made it more visible, but that's only bcoz every time he tees it up there are 17 cameras on him. But long before him the likes of Tommy Bolt, Andy Bean, and Tom Weiskopf were notroious for losing it on the golf course. Hell, Weiskopf was so volatile during his day that he actually had the nickname "Towering Inferno." Of course there were others - names like Woody Austin, Davis Love III, Pat Perez, and Charley Hoffman are all well known temper tantrum offenders.

[edjr 7,012]

Well actually, they did. Tiger may have made it more visible, but that's only bcoz every time he tees it up there are 17 cameras on him. But long before him the likes of Tommy Bolt, Andy Bean, and Tom Weiskopf were notroious for losing it on the golf course. Hell, Weiskopf was so volatile during his day that he actually had the nickname "Towering Inferno." Of course there were others - names like Woody Austin, Davis Love III, Pat Perez, and Charley Hoffman are all well known temper tantrum offenders.

 

But why do the kids of today do it? Because they saw Tiger do it again and again and again.

[porkbutt 897]

 

Whats wrong with a little bit of emotion on the golf course? Both negative emotion and positive emotion is welcomed as far as I'm concerned. Obviously throwing clubs or wrapping one around a tree or things like that are way over the top, I'm not talking about that, but a little emotion is not only okay but good. A "come on Jordan, what are you doing?!?!" after a bad shot or a fist pump after a made putt makes them more human and not just lame ass robot golfers. It shows to me how much they are grinding, and how much they actually 'care'.

 

Just my opinion of course.

talking in the 3rd person is never okay

[Cruzer 1,996]

 

But why do the kids of today do it? Because they saw Tiger do it again and again and again.

True - but I don't think it's entirely fair to paint the picture that Tiger (basically) invented the golf course tantrum. My funniest, up close, personal moment was back at Colonial - sometime during the 70's. Andy Bean was coming out of the junk and clipped a tree, went bounding into even more shiat. When passing the tree, Bean flipped it off and said, "Fock You!" Ha, my dad didn't know what to say - he just kind of looked at me and giggled.

[Fumbleweed 555]

 

 

Are the TV ratings out yet? I'd have to imagine they weren't very good. No Tiger. Phil missing the cut. No one really challenging Bubba on the back nine.

The best thing for golf would have been Spieth winning. The 20 year-old phenom who could have been billed as the next big thing.

Does it matter? I guess it does some, but I don't know why people get so wrapped up in TV ratings. The "best thing for golf" from my perspective is just to let it play out. If I wanted something scripted, I would watch a tv show...or the NBA playoffs. In golf, there's really no way to cheat, so you get what you get, which is what I love about it. No phantom holding calls or anything like that. One of the things I love so much about watching golf is that the "best thing for golf" doesn't always happen. It must be earned. That's cool to me.

[Cruzer 1,996]

I am finally getting the picture that Masters Champions are born.

I still can't wrap my head around the fact Ernie nor Duval ever won one. I'm not sure 2 people were ever born more to win Green Jackets than them. The kicks to the balls these two took over the years at Augusta National - just brual.

[edjr 7,012]

I still can't wrap my head around the fact Ernie nor Duval ever won one. I'm not sure 2 people were ever born more to win Green Jackets than them. The kicks to the balls these two took over the years at Augusta National - just brual.

 

Not as bad as The Shark.

 

I would say other than Nippleson, Norman won less with the most talent. Speaking majors of course.

[KSB2424 3,174]

 

But why do the kids of today do it?

 

The same reasons golfers have always done it, because its golf, one of the most maddening sports/hobbies ever invented.

[drobeski 3,061]

Doesn't ed throw his clubs ?

[KSB2424 3,174]

talking in the 3rd person is never okay

 

Good point.

[KSB2424 3,174]

Doesn't ed throw his clubs ?

 

Everything is Tigers fault, didn't you get the memo?

 

He even faked back surgery, so people wouldn't think he faked his other injuries. It's one big conspiracy. :facepalm:

[drobeski 3,061]

 

Everything is Tigers fault, didn't you get the memo?

 

He even faked back surgery, so people wouldn't think he faked his other injuries. It's one big conspiracy. :facepalm:

yeah it sucked watching one of the greatest ever, he was terrible for the sport

[TimmySmith 2,783]

 

A lot has to do that the Masters is played on the same course every year. It's why they keep talking about how you "learn" to play that course over time. Whereas the US Open, The British Open, and the PGA rotate courses. It seems that certain players have either the game or the "eye" for Augusta over others. Angel Cabrera is another who seems to play well there too (even if not this year). Augusta fits Bubbas long and right to left shot making, so when he's dialed in he will be a factor.

The Masters rewards iron play and putting. It does not necessarily penalize poor driving. All of which sets up great for Bubba, Tiger, and Phil.

[swirvenirvin 25]

Doesn't ed throw his clubs ?

yep he has broken several of them.

[TimmySmith 2,783]

I still can't wrap my head around the fact Ernie nor Duval ever won one. I'm not sure 2 people were ever born more to win Green Jackets than them. The kicks to the balls these two took over the years at Augusta National - just brual.

Ernie, yes, Duval, not as much. IMO Ernie's only problem was he was the 2nd best player that week. Somebody always rose up to steal it from him. Norman, on the other hand always seemed to play 2-3 holes horribly. Never knew the proper time to take the foot off the gas.

[Cruzer 1,996]

The Masters rewards iron play and putting. It does not necessarily penalize poor driving. All of which sets up great for Bubba, Tiger, and Phil.

Names like Langer, Ballesteros, Olazabal, and Faldo also fit this mode. No coincidence they all also have multiple Green Jackets.

[drobeski 3,061]

yep he has broken several of them.

I've never thrown a club or broken one, on purpose anyway, who do i blame since i've been a tiger fan

[KSB2424 3,174]

I've never been able to attend but I did have two buddies go this year for Thursday and Friday rounds. They are Wake Forest grads and followed Bill Haas who played well on Thursday (iirc). They said the course is just as awesome/beautiful in real person as on TV. They said that even with all those large galleries he didn't see one single piece of trash on the ground until Friday as they were leaving he saw one cigarette butt on the ground walking out. The food wrappers and napkins are green so if dropped it blends in and you can't see it on TV. Every way you look was picturesqe. They raved and raved and I'm for sure going next year if I can.

[edjr 7,012]

Doesn't ed throw his clubs ?

 

I'm not sure I've seen Ed on TV. You'd have to refresh my memory.

 

I did throw a ball when we played. Bounced off the golf cart and nearly hit someone.

[Cruzer 1,996]

Ernie, yes, Duval, not as much. IMO Ernie's only problem was he was the 2nd best player that week. Somebody always rose up to steal it from him. Norman, on the other hand always seemed to play 2-3 holes horribly. Never knew the proper time to take the foot off the gas.

Ernie always seemed to be in the hunt on Saturdays - then he would fade away come Sunday afternoon. For all his gifts, Els only ever really had 1 Masters slip away (or taken away) from him. That 2004 battle with Mickelson was epic - Els eagled both #8 and #13. Sitting in the clubhouse he was tied for the lead when Mickelson teed off on 18. Of course he made the memorable birdie putt - and that was that. Duval, too, has had 1 Masters snatched from his clutches as well. The '98 Masters (one of my top 5 masters ever) was one for the ages too. Playing 2 groups ahead of Couples and Omeara, Duval started his day with a bogey at #1, but then ran off 7 birdies to grab the lead. Standing on #16 tee - Duval had a 3 shot lead. But he 3 putted 16 for a bogey and behind him Couples was making eagle at 15, while Omeara was making noise of his own. Waiting in the clubhouse Duval was tied for the lead at -8, of course we all know what happened. Omeara birdied 15, 17, and 18 to win by 1. Duval was mind focked for a quite a while after that.

[cbfalcon 828]

 

Not as bad as The Shark.

 

I would say other than Nippleson, Norman won less with the most talent. Speaking majors of course.

All time PGA Wins:

1. Snead

2. Woods

3. Nicklaus

4. Hogan

5. Palmer

6. Byron Nelson

7. Billy Casper

8. Walter Hagen

9. Phil Mickelson

 

All Time Majors:

1. Nicklaus

2. Woods

3. Hagen

4. Hogan

5. Gary Player

6. Tom Watson

7. Gene Sarazen

8. Arnold Palmer

9. San Snead

10. Bobby Jones

11. Harry Vardon

12. Lee Trevino

13. Nick Faldo

14. Phil Mickelson

 

Mickelson has underachieved based on his talent? I'm sure with every great golfer, you can think "they should have won that one, that one, and that one also". But what names on either list do you feel he should have passed?

[TimmySmith 2,783]

Duval was mind focked for a quite a while after that.

Duval is a strange case. Obscurity, followed 4 years of domination, then back to obscurity. Almost like he roided up, and he might have. Justin Leonard is another guy who most thought would win multiple majors, but it never happened.

[remote controller 143]

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[DankNuggs 305]

 

Whats wrong with a little bit of emotion on the golf course? Both negative emotion and positive emotion is welcomed as far as I'm concerned. Obviously throwing clubs or wrapping one around a tree or things like that are way over the top, I'm not talking about that, but a little emotion is not only okay but good. A "come on Jordan, what are you doing?!?!" after a bad shot or a fist pump after a made putt makes them more human and not just lame ass robot golfers. It shows to me how much they are grinding, and how much they actually 'care'.

 

Just my opinion of course.

reminds me of playing with jackazzes who cuss and whine all round while im just trying to get drunk and smack the ball around and have a good time...

[BunnysBastatrds 2,683]

I keep hearing these jackoffs say that the course is set up perfect for Bubba and how, in a way, it's not fair. They said the same thing about Tiger. I remember the year Tiger was advised by Williams to hit driver on that short par 4 and he hit into the trees. Ended up with a double if memory serves me. And he lost the tournament by two. They still have to make the shots.

[Cruzer 1,996]

I keep hearing these jackoffs say that the course is set up perfect for Bubba and how, in a way, it's not fair. They said the same thing about Tiger. I remember the year Tiger was advised by Williams to hit driver on that short par 4 and he hit into the trees. Ended up with a double if memory serves me. And he lost the tournament by two. They still have to make the shots.

This talk always drives me crazy - and I agree with you.

 

Yes Bubba led the field in Driving Distance for the week. But guess what? He also finished 14th in Driving Accuracy - Saturday he freaking hit 13 of 14 fairways. Bubba also (of those making the cut) finished 20th in total putting - with only 2 3-putts. I hate to break to people but if the guy who leads the field in driving distance is also hitting 72% of the fairways, and who by the way, is also putting lights out - he's going to win no matter where the fock the tournament is at.

 

Bubba proofing the course only makes it easier for Bubba to win. Make the course shorter and then you have a tournament on your hands. Look at Merion this past year. Short ass course and we had one of the most compelling US Open's ever. And by the way - Bubba didn't win.

[edjr 7,012]

All time PGA Wins:

1. Snead

2. Woods

3. Nicklaus

4. Hogan

5. Palmer

6. Byron Nelson

7. Billy Casper

8. Walter Hagen

9. Phil Mickelson

 

All Time Majors:

1. Nicklaus

2. Woods

3. Hagen

4. Hogan

5. Gary Player

6. Tom Watson

7. Gene Sarazen

8. Arnold Palmer

9. San Snead

10. Bobby Jones

11. Harry Vardon

12. Lee Trevino

13. Nick Faldo

14. Phil Mickelson

 

Mickelson has underachieved based on his talent? I'm sure with every great golfer, you can think "they should have won that one, that one, and that one also". But what names on either list do you feel he should have passed?

 

Phil should be top 10 easy in majors, stop making excuses for him

 

5 wins and combined 15 2nd and 3rd?

 

Choker

[cbfalcon 828]

 

Phil should be top 10 easy in majors, stop making excuses for him

 

How many more do you think he should have won thus far?

 

I feel like he will win 2 more. If so, he ties for 7th with Palmer, Jones, Sarazen, Snead, and Vardon.

[Cruzer 1,996]

 

Phil should be top 10 easy in majors, stop making excuses for him

 

5 wins and combined 15 2nd and 3rd?

 

Choker

I'm not ready to say Phil should of had a top 10 major resume. Will say he could have though. Sure he choked a couple away - but he also just got beat in a lot of them. Everyone remember '06 at Winged Foot - and okay, he puked that one to Ogilvy. But he slso won a couple he prolly shouldn't have. For sure Phil had no biz winning the Claret Jug - took Scott bogeying the last 4 holes to give it to him? C'mon. And the '04 Masters - drained a 20 footer to get that..... Everybody talks about his six 2nd place finishes in our Open Championship. In reality, though, he really only blew 2 of them to the curb ('06 & '13). The rest he played outstanding golf only to come up short - or actually pull into 2nd place by playing so well.