IGotWorms 4,062 Posted April 2, 2014 www.nytimes.com WASHINGTON The Supreme Court on Wednesday issued a major campaign finance decision, striking down limits on federal campaign contributions for the first time. The ruling, issued near the start of a campaign season, will change and most likely increase the role money plays in American politics. The decision, by a 5-to-4 vote along ideological lines, was sort of a sequel to Citizens United, the 2010 decision that struck down limits on independent campaign spending by corporations and unions. But that ruling did nothing to disturb the other main form of campaign finance regulation: caps on direct contributions to candidates and political parties. Wednesdays decision in McCutcheon v. Federal Election Commission, No. 12-536, addressed that second kind of regulation. It did not disturb familiar base limits on contributions from individuals to candidates, currently $2,600 per candidate in primary and general elections. But it said that overall limits of $48,600 every two years for contributions to all federal candidates violated the First Amendment, as did separate aggregate limits on contributions to political party committees, currently $74,600. The decision chipped away at the central distinction drawn by the Supreme Court in its seminal 1976 campaign finance decision, Buckley v. Valeo. Independent spending, the court said in Buckley, is political speech protected by the First Amendment. But contributions may be capped, the court said, in the name of preventing corruption. The court added that aggregate contribution limits were a quite modest restraint upon protected political activity that serves to prevent evasion of the base limits. Wednesdays decision only concerned contributions from individuals. Federal law continues to ban contributions by corporations and unions. The court led by Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. has been consistently hostile to campaign finance limits in its half-dozen decisions in argued cases on the subject so far. The five more conservative justices have voted together in all of those cases, though Chief Justice Roberts and Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr. have taken a more incremental approach than the bolder one called for by Justices Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas and Anthony M. Kennedy. Oh great, just what we need: more money in politics Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mungwater 601 Posted April 2, 2014 I guess we will see who has more money, Koch brothers or unions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,062 Posted April 2, 2014 I guess we will see who has more money, Koch brothers or unions. That is no contest. Koch Brothers and their ilk will always win out in the big money game. Fortunately it seems that many voters are ignoring or actively fighting against their bought-and-paid-for influence. So far at least Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JT 137 Posted April 2, 2014 Very unfortunate. Very unsurprising. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kilroy69 1,265 Posted April 2, 2014 after the citizens united ruling this is just another ho hum day at the office for the roberts court. Also clarence thomas may be one of the worst supreme court justices ever. He should be forced to wear a robe that looks like a nascar track suit. Patches that show who bought him. The largest of course would be monsanto. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Googballz 39 Posted April 3, 2014 So, basically the playing field is even? Anyone can donate any amount to anyone they want? This is so unfair. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,783 Posted April 3, 2014 I don't like it, but they voted the right way. How else could a common man stand a chance in an election vs. a billionaire? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mungwater 601 Posted April 3, 2014 Who said unfair? If you thought the last two were bad, next one is bound to be a doozy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 5,453 Posted April 3, 2014 It's disgusting. Citizens United is still the worse of the two. Once that went into effect, this was bound to happen. I'd as soon the candidates get the money themselves than funneled through the shady political action committees. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kilroy69 1,265 Posted April 3, 2014 This was something to be expected from the roberts court though. I lost all faith in the court after citizens united as I think a lot of people did. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 5,453 Posted April 3, 2014 This was something to be expected from the roberts court though. I lost all faith in the court after citizens united as I think a lot of people did. Mixed bag. Citizens United is by far the worst thing they've done. But I really, really would love for the conservatives on the court to sh*tcan race-based affirmative action. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745 Posted April 3, 2014 This is a terrible thing. Our democracy was already bought and sold, now it will be worse. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,783 Posted April 3, 2014 Citizens United is still the worse of the two. Once that went into effect, this was bound to happen. I'd as soon the candidates get the money themselves than funneled through the shady political action committees. Perhaps they will be less shady now that they do not have to hide anything. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phurfur 70 Posted April 3, 2014 I guess we will see who has more money, Koch brothers or unions. I guess you have never heard of George Soros Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,824 Posted April 3, 2014 Thank god we've finally allowed corporations to compete on a level playing field with regular people. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phurfur 70 Posted April 3, 2014 That is no contest. Koch Brothers and their ilk will always win out in the big money game. Fortunately it seems that many voters are ignoring or actively fighting against their bought-and-paid-for influence. So far at leastLink you uninformed loser, here are mine. Evil Koch Brothers Rank #59 in Political Donations Behind 18 Different Unions http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/02/evil-koch-brothers-rank-59-in-political-donations-behind-18-different-unions/ 14 of America's 25 biggest campaign donors are unions. Yesterday, Senate majority leader Harry Reid went on a rant on the Senate floor about the Koch brothers. Reid seems to believe that the fraternal billionaires are buying America with their campaign contributions, saying whoever has the most money gets the most free speech implying, I suppose, that Charles and David Koch, as some of the richest men in the world, control the most political speech. However, as the Washington Examiners Mark Tapscott noted a few weeks ago, the biggest donors in America may not be what youd expect. I reproduced this chart that shows the top 25 donors to political campaigns between 1989 and 2014, according to the Center for Responsive Politics: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/372630/fourteen-americas-25-biggest-campaign-donors-are-unions-veronique-de-rugy Worms is just another victim of MK-Ultra Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,172 Posted April 3, 2014 So there is still a limit on how much you can give one canidate, just not a cap on how many canidates right? Meh.... If the uncapped the dollar limit you can give to a single canidate that would be outreageous. This, I get. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,875 Posted April 3, 2014 Nytimes No agendas, like fox news Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted April 3, 2014 No agendas, like fox news Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,062 Posted April 3, 2014 Nytimes So are you suggesting that the story is false? The Supreme Court actually did not strike down aggregate contribution limits? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,172 Posted April 3, 2014 So are you suggesting that the story is false? The Supreme Court actually did not strike down aggregate contribution limits? I think he was being sarcastic to underscore the stupidity of some of you who do the whole " FoxNews " bit even if the story is factually true. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phurfur 70 Posted April 3, 2014 So are you suggesting that the story is false? The Supreme Court actually did not strike down aggregate contribution limits? I am still waiting on your link. See post #17 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phurfur 70 Posted April 6, 2014 That is no contest. Koch Brothers and their ilk will always win out in the big money game. Fortunately it seems that many voters are ignoring or actively fighting against their bought-and-paid-for influence. So far at leasti am still waiting on that Link. Are you a liar, uninformed, misinformed? Evil Koch Brothers Rank #59 in Political Donations Behind 18 Different Unions http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/02/evil-koch-brothers-rank-59-in-political-donations-behind-18-different-unions/ 14 of America's 25 biggest campaign donors are unions. Yesterday, Senate majority leader Harry Reid went on a rant on the Senate floor about the Koch brothers. Reid seems to believe that the fraternal billionaires are buying America with their campaign contributions, saying whoever has the most money gets the most free speech implying, I suppose, that Charles and David Koch, as some of the richest men in the world, control the most political speech. However, as the Washington Examiners Mark Tapscott noted a few weeks ago, the biggest donors in America may not be what youd expect. I reproduced this chart that shows the top 25 donors to political campaigns between 1989 and 2014, according to the Center for Responsive Politics:http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/372630/fourteen-americas-25-biggest-campaign-donors-are-unions-veronique-de-rugy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,824 Posted April 6, 2014 i am still waiting on that Link. Are you a liar, uninformed, misinformed? Evil Koch Brothers Rank #59 in Political Donations Behind 18 Different Unions http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/02/evil-koch-brothers-rank-59-in-political-donations-behind-18-different-unions/ 14 of America's 25 biggest campaign donors are unions. ] Do they each have 2 members? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phurfur 70 Posted April 6, 2014 Do they each have 2 members?I guess you are just stupid, what he said was That is no contest. Koch Brothers and their ilk will always win out in the big money game. Fortunately it seems that many voters are ignoring or actively fighting against their bought-and-paid-for influence. So far at least BTW: doesn't it bother you that people are forced to join unions or lose their jobs and are forced to make campaign contributions they do not agree with? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,824 Posted April 6, 2014 I guess you are just stupid, what he said was That is no contest. Koch Brothers and their ilk will always win out in the big money game. Fortunately it seems that many voters are ignoring or actively fighting against their bought-and-paid-for influence. So far at least BTW: doesn't it bother you that people are forced to join unions or lose their jobs and are forced to make campaign contributions they do not agree with? As usual my point flew right over your pointy head. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phurfur 70 Posted April 6, 2014 As usual my point flew right over your pointy head. You act like union members have a choice on were their campaign contributions go. Unfortunately it is the decision of a very Few people at the top. HTH Your point was stupid and meaningless, now go look at the point on the top of your head. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,824 Posted April 6, 2014 You act like union members have a choice on were their campaign contributions go. Unfortunately it is the decision of a very Few people at the top. HTH Your point was stupid and meaningless, now go look at the point on the top of your head. Still flailing grandpa. Old and dumb. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted April 6, 2014 Mingya mdc taking it hard in the face on this one, its almost like he likes it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,824 Posted April 6, 2014 Mingya mdc taking it hard in the face on this one, its almost like he likes it. Whoosh! Right over dumbeski's blockhead, stunner. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted April 6, 2014 Know how you are doing well in any argument. Drobeski claims you are getting your ass kicked. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Googballz 39 Posted April 7, 2014 Know how you are doing well in any argument. You are having the argument with you? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites