7 dead in shooting rampage in cali, hunger games directors kid

[cyclone24 1,836]

-- Edinboro, Pa., 1998: A student shoots up a junior high school dance being held at a restaurant; restaurant owner pulls out his shotgun and stops the gunman. Total dead: One.

 

 

 

First.....that one doesnt even qualify as a mass shooting.....if you did ANY research instead of copy and pasting....he had a specific target..and LEFT....police reports couldnt determine if he had any plans on shooting anyone else.

 

Im giving you one more shot at this....because AGAIN....youre failing miserably.

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Three men were fatally shot and two other people were injured early Sunday at a bar in the northern Nevada town of Winnemucca, police said, and the shootings may have stemmed from a longstanding feud between several local families.

Winnemucca Police Chief Bob Davidson said a man entered Players Bar and Grill and fatally shot two members of a rival family before he was shot and killed by a patron. All three were pronounced dead at the scene.

The deceased shooter was identified as Ernesto Villagomez, 30, of Winnemucca. The other deceased men were identified as Jose Torres, 20, and his brother, Margarito Torres, 19, both of Winnemucca.

A 34-year-old man and a 22-year-old woman were listed in stable condition with gunshot wounds at the Winnemucca hospital. Their names weren't immediately released.

Sunday's shooting may have been in retaliation for an earlier drive-by shooting involving the families in the town of about 8,000 located 160 miles northeast of Reno, Davidson told Reno's KRNV-TV.

The 48-year-old patron from Reno who killed the shooter was initially taken into custody as a person of interest, but was later released after Humboldt County District Attorney Russell Smith determined the shooting was justifiable homicide.

The patron was in possession of a valid concealed weapons permit issued by the Washoe County Sheriff's office, Davidson said.

While the shootings occurred during the town's annual Runnamucca motorcycle rally, there's no evidence linking them to any rival motorcycle gangs or clubs, Davidson said.

About 300 people were inside the bar at the time.

The case is under investigation.

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Who will buy up the movie rights?

[cyclone24 1,836]

 

Three men were fatally shot and two other people were injured early Sunday at a bar in the northern Nevada town of Winnemucca, police said, and the shootings may have stemmed from a longstanding feud between several local families.

Winnemucca Police Chief Bob Davidson said a man entered Players Bar and Grill and fatally shot two members of a rival family before he was shot and killed by a patron. All three were pronounced dead at the scene.

The deceased shooter was identified as Ernesto Villagomez, 30, of Winnemucca. The other deceased men were identified as Jose Torres, 20, and his brother, Margarito Torres, 19, both of Winnemucca.

A 34-year-old man and a 22-year-old woman were listed in stable condition with gunshot wounds at the Winnemucca hospital. Their names weren't immediately released.

Sunday's shooting may have been in retaliation for an earlier drive-by shooting involving the families in the town of about 8,000 located 160 miles northeast of Reno, Davidson told Reno's KRNV-TV.

The 48-year-old patron from Reno who killed the shooter was initially taken into custody as a person of interest, but was later released after Humboldt County District Attorney Russell Smith determined the shooting was justifiable homicide.

The patron was in possession of a valid concealed weapons permit issued by the Washoe County Sheriff's office, Davidson said.

While the shootings occurred during the town's annual Runnamucca motorcycle rally, there's no evidence linking them to any rival motorcycle gangs or clubs, Davidson said.

About 300 people were inside the bar at the time.

The case is under investigation.

 

 

 

The guy was a marine. SMH.....this is too easy at this point. Do research.

 

The bystander was identified only as a 48-year-old Reno man with a valid permit to carry a concealed weapon. Authorities confirmed he was a U.S. Marine, but it was not clear whether he was on active duty or had finished his term of service.

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The guy was a marine.

Really? link?

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How do those compare to the odds of them accidentally shooting someone, an assailant taking their gun, or their kids finding it?

 

To be fair, I guess you'd also have to calculate the odds that a gun ban would deter a kid like him.

That's a fair question. I'm not sure what the stats are on CCW permit holders and accidental shootings. I would expect the numbers to be extremely low simply because of the extra training they go through and the strong desire to not have their permits revoked. Permit holders are generally more cognizant of the responsibilities that come with gun ownership than your average Joe who takes his gun to the range once a year.

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First.....that one doesnt even qualify as a mass shooting.

By what definition of "mass shooting"

[Googballz 39]

 

 

ran out to his own vehicle, grabbed a handgun he kept there, and then approached the shooter, subduing him at gunpoint until authorities arrived.

 

.nobody stepped in.

By what definition of "stepped in"?

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Any thought on how easy it is for a focking psycho to legally get ahold of firearms?

now where gettin somewhere, still boils down to the ones who know they are nuts intervening

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So killing 7 people already......the cops NOT killing him (nor anyone else)....and the killer committing suicide is "stepping in"?

 

Jesus...hate to see what NOT stepping in looks like. 50 people?

Does a deputy shooting him in the hip not count for "stepping in". Just wondering

[cyclone24 1,836]

Really? link?

 

 

http://elkodaily.com/news/local/shootout-in-winnemucca-three-dead-two-injured-in-early-morning/article_83fe3832-cc3b-528b-88bd-a85ce65f5967.html

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http://elkodaily.com/news/local/shootout-in-winnemucca-three-dead-two-injured-in-early-morning/article_83fe3832-cc3b-528b-88bd-a85ce65f5967.html

Link says they are not sure if he was active duty or not.

 

Keep looking.

[Googballz 39]

SPRINGFIELD —

 

 

A man who was shot twice by a customer during an alleged robbery attempt has a criminal record and could be connected to similar weekend crimes in the city.

Lajuane M. White, 24, was listed in critical condition Monday at Miami Valley Hospital, where he was taken to by Careflight medical helicopter Sunday night following a shooting at Domino’s, 1756 South Limestone St.

According to Springfield police, White displayed a handgun as he tried to rob a pizza delivery driver in the restaurant parking lot.

Another Domino’s employee, who was off duty and identified himself as a customer that night, 24-year-old Stephen P. Carroll, intervened in the attempted robbery. Witnesses told police that Carroll warned White to put the weapon down and then shot the suspect twice in the stomach after White pointed a gun at him, according to the police report.

A witness kicked White’s handgun away at the direction of a dispatcher after White kept trying to pick up the weapon before police arrived, according to 911 calls obtained by the Springfield News-Sun.

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That's a fair question. I'm not sure what the stats are on CCW permit holders and accidental shootings. I would expect the numbers to be extremely low simply because of the extra training they go through and the strong desire to not have their permits revoked. Permit holders are generally more cognizant of the responsibilities that come with gun ownership than your average Joe who takes his gun to the range once a year.

 

Maybe it's a "fair" question, but it's totally irrelevant to why we don't see more active shooting stopped by armed private citizens.

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Looks like the love child of Michael Jackson and Keanu Reaves

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Maybe it's a "fair" question, but it's totally irrelevant to why we don't see more active shooting stopped by armed private citizens.

True, I just figured the doc was trying to make a bigger point about "the dangers of gun ownership" rather than discussing this particular incident.

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Any thought on how easy it is for a focking psycho to legally get ahold of firearms?

Too easy?

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Who will buy up the movie rights?

His dad?

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Maybe it's a "fair" question, but it's totally irrelevant to why we don't see more active shooting stopped by armed private citizens.

It's completely relevant if you are trying to weigh the risks vs. benefits of public access to firearms.

 

The answer to your question is likely people don't want to risk their lives if they don't have to or are trained to do so. Plus there aren't that many mass shootings.

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Link says they are not sure if he was active duty or not.

 

Keep looking.

 

" Authorities confirmed he was a U.S. Marine, but it was not clear whether he was on active duty or had finished his term of service." ???

 

No different than a former police, or security... a highly trained expert.....not Joe Blow.

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It's completely relevant if you are trying to weigh the risks vs. benefits of public access to firearms.

 

The answer to your question is likely people don't want to risk their lives if they don't have to or are trained to do so. Plus there aren't that many mass shootings.

1. True. Too bad we weren't doing that.

 

2. There aren't that many mass shootings, and there aren't that many people who carry, thus it's not all that surprising that they don't intersect very often. That's the point.

[cyclone24 1,836]

 

SPRINGFIELD —

 

 

A man who was shot twice by a customer during an alleged robbery attempt has a criminal record and could be connected to similar weekend crimes in the city.

Lajuane M. White, 24, was listed in critical condition Monday at Miami Valley Hospital, where he was taken to by Careflight medical helicopter Sunday night following a shooting at Domino’s, 1756 South Limestone St.

According to Springfield police, White displayed a handgun as he tried to rob a pizza delivery driver in the restaurant parking lot.

Another Domino’s employee, who was off duty and identified himself as a customer that night, 24-year-old Stephen P. Carroll, intervened in the attempted robbery. Witnesses told police that Carroll warned White to put the weapon down and then shot the suspect twice in the stomach after White pointed a gun at him, according to the police report.

A witness kicked White’s handgun away at the direction of a dispatcher after White kept trying to pick up the weapon before police arrived, according to 911 calls obtained by the Springfield News-Sun.

 

 

 

Not a mass shooting....thats a holdup.

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Not a mass shooting....thats a holdup.

One could say he prevented a "mass shooting"....whatever that is.

 

What is your position on CC, Cyclone? Are you for it, or against it?

[cyclone24 1,836]

One could say he prevented a "mass shooting"....whatever that is.

 

What is your position on CC, Cyclone? Are you for it, or against it?

 

 

Most overrated guitartist of our generation

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How about a criminal background check and proof of psychological evaluation before purchasing a handgun. Seems reasonable.

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1. True. Too bad we weren't doing that.

 

2. There aren't that many mass shootings, and there aren't that many people who carry, thus it's not all that surprising that they don't intersect very often. That's the point.

No, I was trying to make that point, because it is very relevant. Short of mandating concealed carriage of weapons, I think the likelihood of private citizens without special training shooting a mass murderer before the authorities is exceeded by the risks of such widespread gun ownership.

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Most overrated guitartist of our generation

Dodge

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How about a criminal background check and proof of psychological evaluation before purchasing a handgun. Seems reasonable.

So anyone who wants to own a gun must be evaluated by a psychiatrist first?

 

Do you think there are any clinically validated tools which predict sociopathic behavior? There aren't, and thereis a ton of psychiatric illness - depression, anxiety/PTSD, etc. Should all those people not be allowed to own a gun?

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So anyone who wants to own a gun must be evaluated by a psychiatrist first?

 

Do you think there are any clinically validated tools which predict sociopathic behavior? There aren't, and thereis a ton of psychiatric illness - depression, anxiety/PTSD, etc. Should all those people not be allowed to own a gun?

Yeah, it's just an unworkable solution. There is very little consensus and real understanding of most psychiatric illnesses. Hell some researchers think that the label "schizophrenia" is in actuality applied to something like 20 distinct forms of mental illness.

[cyclone24 1,836]

Dodge

 

 

Joking aside id be against it. I dont want a bunch of fairly untrained folks trying to play hero if a mass shooter did break out. My odds of getting killed.....since i dont keep a gun...is in a mass shooting at a mall, ball game, theatre, etc........more folks with guns wizzing bullets around doesnt decrease my odds of getting hit.

 

BUT.....on the other hand....concealed weapons folks typically dont step in anyway...so theres that side too.

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Yeah, it's just an unworkable solution. There is very little consensus and real understanding of most psychiatric illnesses. Hell some researchers think that the label "schizophrenia" is in actuality applied to something like 20 distinct forms of mental illness.

Some people even think all psychiatric illness is just a flavor of normal.

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Joking aside id be against it. I dont want a bunch of fairly untrained folks trying to play hero if a mass shooter did break out. My odds of getting killed.....since i dont keep a gun...is in a mass shooting at a mall, ball game, theatre, etc........more folks with guns wizzing bullets around doesnt decrease my odds of getting hit.

 

BUT.....on the other hand....concealed weapons folks typically dont step in anyway...so theres that side too.

So you don't think people should be armed and able to protect themselves simply because you don't think they have ever stopped a "mass shooting"?

[cyclone24 1,836]

So you don't think people should be armed and able to protect themselves simply because you don't think they have ever stopped a "mass shooting"?

 

 

Armed where? Out in public? IMO it doesnt work......a mass shooter is interested in volume of people, not identifying gun free zones, so Joe Blow with his concealed weapon probably isnt stopping them anyway. And if not a mass shooter...where is one going where this is needed on a 1 on 1 basis? And how often is someone so paranoid that they will need a gun that they always go strapped? Doesnt make sense to me.

 

Armed at home? Sure...no problem with that. Although more likely to be killed with your own gun or an accident than some mythical shootout in your home with an intruder. Does it happen? Sure......but the accidents, murders with home weapon, or intruder using that weapon far outweigh the safety illusion for keeping one.

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Armed where? Out in public? IMO it doesnt work.

It does. You are just hung up on this "mass shooting" thing. Maybe because they are so rare that the odds of someone stopping one is astronomical.

 

It helps you ignore the thousands of times per year people who have guns prevent all kinds of crimes.

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How about a criminal background check and proof of psychological evaluation before purchasing a handgun. Seems reasonable.

Criminal background checks are required for most gun purchases. The problem with psych evals is they can be administered in such a way as to guarantee failure.

 

Not to mention it could disenfranchise the poor from exercising their 2A rights by forcing them to pay for the additional documentation. Or so we're told.

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Criminal background checks are required for most gun purchases. The problem with psych evals is they can be administered in such a way as to guarantee failure.

 

Not to mention it could disenfranchise the poor from exercising their 2A rights by forcing them to pay for the additional documentation. Or so we're told.

Had not thought about the poor angle.

 

How can it be a requirement to have a photo ID to exercise a Constitutional Right?

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How about a criminal background check and proof of psychological evaluation before purchasing a handgun. Seems reasonable.

 

Why a handgun? Handguns are inaccurate and generally shoot less lethal rounds than long guns. If someone is intent on doing something like this, we WANT them using a handgun.

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So anyone who wants to own a gun must be evaluated by a psychiatrist first?

 

Do you think there are any clinically validated tools which predict sociopathic behavior? There aren't, and thereis a ton of psychiatric illness - depression, anxiety/PTSD, etc. Should all those people not be allowed to own a gun?

The goal isn't to restrict guns from everyone who could potentially be a danger to himself or others, it's to prevent obviously deranged people from getting their hands on a weapon. I think a psychologist should be able to tell that Elliott Rodger had no business buying a firearm. The police did a check on him in April at the request of a mental health agency.

[cyclone24 1,836]

The goal isn't to restrict guns from everyone who could potentially be a danger to himself or others, it's to prevent obviously deranged people from getting their hands on a weapon. I think a psychologist should be able to tell that Elliott Rodger had no business buying a firearm. The police did a check on him in April at the request of a mental health agency.

 

 

Problem is thats way too diificult to determine. Jails are full of perfectly rational people who in a split second or moments of bad decisions made terrible mistakes because of desperation, anger, etc.

Rational and irrational...is a very fine line sometimes.

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The goal isn't to restrict guns from everyone who could potentially be a danger to himself or others, it's to prevent obviously deranged people from getting their hands on a weapon. I think a psychologist should be able to tell that Elliott Rodger had no business buying a firearm. The police did a check on him in April at the request of a mental health agency.

I think the parents reported him. But either way, I don't think limited psychologic testing is very effective in identifying sociopaths, as they tend to be intelligent enough to fake their way into appearing "normal." Though there are exceptions, usually casual acquaintances have no clue they are deranged; rather, they may be perceived as quiet or "loners."