Score two for democracy

[IGotWorms 4,058]

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/10/us/politics/supreme-court-blocks-wisconsin-voter-id-law.html

 

WASHINGTON The Supreme Court on Thursday evening stopped officials in Wisconsin from requiring voters there to provide photo identification before casting their ballots in the coming election.

 

Three of the courts more conservative members dissented, saying they would have allowed officials to require identification.

 

Around the same time, a federal trial court in Texas struck down that states ID law, saying it put a disproportionate burden on minority voters.

 

The Wisconsin requirement, one of the strictest in the nation, is part of a state law enacted in 2011 but mostly blocked by various courts in the interim. A federal trial judge had blocked it, saying it would deter or prevent a substantial number of the 300,000-plus registered voters who lack ID from voting and would disproportionately affect black and Hispanic voters.

Glad to see there are still some Americans out there who believe in the fundamental right to vote

[Frank M 181]

[Giants Fan 85]

THARS VOTER FRAUD NOW!

 

Thanks Obama!

[NorthernVike 2,087]

Legislating from the bench again. Stupid liberals.

[MDC 7,491]

Legislating from the bench again. Stupid liberals.

It's always "legislating from the bench" when crybaby Repubtards don't like the outcome.

[NorthernVike 2,087]

It's always "legislating from the bench" when crybaby Repubtards don't like the outcome.

[Giants Fan 85]

It's always "legislating from the bench" when crybaby Repubtards don't like the outcome.

Yeah or the liberal weighted Supreme court that decided who the president was gonna be, cause of Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton appointing liberal judges.

 

8 years of Al Gore really left a mess for McCain/Palin to clean up. Right?

 

Oh wait, it went the other way around. Things were great under Clinton, horrible under Bush and then, on the road towards great again under Obama, morons and racists are still crying foul.

 

That about get me up to speed?

[KSB2424 3,148]

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/10/us/politics/supreme-court-blocks-wisconsin-voter-id-law.html

 

 

Glad to see there are still some Americans out there who believe in the fundamental right to vote

 

Where was this "taking away people's right to vote" part exactly?

[Giants Fan 85]

Some ppl don't have proper ID. But are legal to vote. Preventing them from voting, is disenfranchising them. Passing voter ID laws is tantamout to racism. Those most likely affected will often be minorities and undereducated poor people.

 

It's amazing to me, that anyone who is for freedom and democracy, could also be for voter-id laws. It's been proven .... mericans dont give enough of a shiat. If we let the courts decide our presidential elections ... we lose all the freedom we fought for, for hundreds of years.

[Bert 1,128]

Why are people so against having to prove you are who you say you are to vote?

[Sho Nuff 720]

Id like to see their actual proof that it would hurt hispanic and black votes before agreeing with the courts.

 

And its not legislating from the bench...just a dumb claim to make on that one.

[Giants Fan 85]

It's a sad truth .... but a dumbass mfer has the exact same voting rights as you and me.

[Mike Honcho 5,294]

Why are people so against having to prove you are who you say you are to vote?

 

You already prove who you are through the registration process...why are so many people in favor of something that essentially amounts to a poll tax?

[MDC 7,491]

Why are people so against having to prove you are who you say you are to vote?

I had to prove who I am to register.

[Giants Fan 85]

Id like to see their actual proof that it would hurt hispanic and black votes before agreeing with the courts.

There's now a search function for the whole internet where you can find lot's of stuff. Like Actual Proof. What is that tequilla? Let's do some.

 

You just type it in and it finds it.

[Bert 1,128]

Id like to see their actual proof that it would hurt hispanic and black votes before agreeing with the courts.

 

And its not legislating from the bench...just a dumb claim to make on that one.

It wouldn't. The voter turnout for those groups is already so low it would not make a bit of difference.

[Bert 1,128]

 

You already prove who you are through the registration process...why are so many people in favor of something that essentially amounts to a poll tax?

Without a picture you could take my voter registration card and walk into a polling place and vote. That is not proving who you are.

[Giants Fan 85]

That'd be a great name for a boat. "Actuall Proof". Unless, you were planning on killing someone out at sea on the boat and you left blood stains everywhere. Then it would be a bad name for a boat.

[Sho Nuff 720]

There's now a search function for the whole internet where you can find lot's of stuff. Like Actual Proof. What is that tequilla? Let's do some.

 

You just type it in and it finds it.

 

Actual proof?

Or one sided crap put out by the side that opposes voter ID?

Sorry, not interested in propaganda. But actual facts.

[Giants Fan 85]

Without a picture you could take my voter registration card and walk into a polling place and vote. That is not proving who you are.

Sounds like fraud. Doesn't happen very often, if at all. I believe it's a federal crime.

[Sho Nuff 720]

It wouldn't. The voter turnout for those groups is already so low it would not make a bit of difference.

 

You are not making a very good case.

If the voter turnout for those groups is so low...why require ID and claim there is massive fraud that is basically usually said to come from those groups (at least the hispanic group).

[Sho Nuff 720]

Without a picture you could take my voter registration card and walk into a polling place and vote. That is not proving who you are.

 

So, your worry is the theft of a voter registration card?

Do you think that is a very large number that would affect any election?

[HenryHill9323 65]

You already prove who you are through the registration process...why are so many people in favor of something that essentially amounts to a poll tax?

If you have to show an ID to register how does it disenfranchise that same person to require an ID to vote?

[NewbieJr 541]

Greedy folks spent decades trying to make themselves richer and the less fortunate poorer. Then they realized there was a flaw in their plan.....they eliminated the middle class and created way too many poor people. And are having trouble winning elections. So they need to try to do something to eliminate a big percentage of the opposition votes. The rich got what they wanted but didn't quite think it through.

[MDC 7,491]

Without a picture you could take my voter registration card and walk into a polling place and vote. That is not proving who you are.

You could do that but it seems like committing an in person felony for exactly one vote is a pretty low upside / high risk way to go about curbing fraud.

[HenryHill9323 65]

Id like to see their actual proof that it would hurt hispanic and black votes before agreeing with the courts.

 

And its not legislating from the bench...just a dumb claim to make on that one.

Voter turnout for ,minorities went up in Texas after voter ID laws were passed. This proves the basis for the ruling wrong, and also proves it is nothing more than legislating from the bench.

[Mike Honcho 5,294]

If you have to show an ID to register how does it disenfranchise that same person to require an ID to vote?

 

You don't have to show an ID to register.

[MDC 7,491]

Voter turnout for ,minorities went up in Texas after voter ID laws were passed. This proves the basis for the ruling wrong, and also proves it is nothing more than legislating from the bench.

It doesn't prove either of those things.

[HenryHill9323 65]

You don't have to show an ID to register.

Hey, look who is here..........have you found a single instance of voter ID laws disenfranchising someone yet?

 

[HenryHill9323 65]

It doesn't prove either of those things.

Proves both.

 

Hth

[Sho Nuff 720]

It doesn't prove either of those things.

 

Yeah, that was some pretty faulty logic.

Turnout does not show who was or wasn't affected by ID laws.

 

Again, I support them...but citing voter turnout after a law was enacted shows something got those voters motivated. Not that the ID laws didn't affect other portions of their group more than other groups.

[Giants Fan 85]

Hey, look who is here..........have you found a single instance of voter ID laws disenfranchising someone yet?

What you mean ... I hafta provide a link and stuff?

 

How about this one:

 

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/voter-id-law-disenfranchises-93-year-old-black-man

[MDC 7,491]

Proves both.

 

Hth

I guess they don't teach logic at Buttmont Community College.

[Mike Honcho 5,294]

Hey, look who is here..........have you found a single instance of voter ID laws disenfranchising someone yet?

 

 

93-year-old black man disenfranchised by Alabama voter ID law

 

Now prove there are enough cases of fraud any where to that these laws are necessary. Let's keep the bar low. .05% cases of voter fraud per total turnout---and I'm being generous, you should have to prove that voter fraud is at a number that is comparable to the potential people who would be disenfranchised by these laws. By some estimates up to 5 million. GO

[Giants Fan 85]

Point is, more people are prevented from voting, than any fraud is prevented, by a lot, with voter ID laws.

 

Proven, scientific fact.

[Giants Fan 85]

93-year-old black man disenfranchised by Alabama voter ID law

 

Now prove there are enough cases of fraud any where to that these laws are necessary. Let's keep the bar low. .05% cases of voter fraud per total turnout.

 

Hey ... Stop stealing my facts. Go find your own.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Point is, more people are prevented from voting, than any fraud is prevented, by a lot, with voter ID laws.

 

Proven, scientific fact.

 

While there is little proof of real fraud...there is also little actual proof of people being prevented to vote.

[HenryHill9323 65]

93-year-old black man disenfranchised by Alabama voter ID law

 

Now prove there are enough cases of fraud any where to that these laws are necessary. Let's keep the bar low. .05% cases of voter fraud per total turnout.

 

Cool.

You found one old guy out of every voter in America.

 

Let's keep the bar low for you as well and use your standard.........get back to me when you get to .05% disenfranchisement.

 

 

I can bring dozens of documented cases of voter fraud, so you are still way behind. Oh, and in each of those cases someone who cast a legitimate ballot had it nullified by fraud, and they were DISENFRANCHISED.

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

93-year-old black man disenfranchised by Alabama voter ID law

 

Now prove there are enough cases of fraud any where to that these laws are necessary. Let's keep the bar low. .05% cases of voter fraud per total turnout---and I'm being generous, you should have to prove that voter fraud is at a number that is comparable to the potential people who would be disenfranchised by these laws. By some estimates up to 5 million. GO

 

Disenfranchised? Maybe.

Did the guy know ahead of time he needed an ID to vote? Yet he still got a ride there (someone still took him there knowing he had no ID and couldn't vote?) knowing he would not be allowed to vote?

Though, looks like they screwed up and did not allow him to cast a provisional ballot by the rule of the law.

 

Could the man have obtained an ID by a reasonable means? We don't know this...if there was something really preventing him from obtaining the ID, then you may have a point. If not, seems more out of laziness or to create a story.

[Mike Honcho 5,294]

I guess they don't teach logic at Buttmont Community College.

 

Another graduate of Buttmont...

 

http://www.critthink2.org/2011/05/23/lisa-simpson-demonstrates-causal-reasoning/