Mike Honcho 5,294 Posted October 10, 2014 Cool. You found one old guy out of every voter in America. Let's keep the bar low for you as well and use your standard.........get back to me when you get to .05% disenfranchisement. I can bring dozens of documented cases of voter fraud, so you are still way behind. Oh, and in each of those cases someone who cast a legitimate ballot had it nullified by fraud, and they were DISENFRANCHISED. LOL...Dozens really. WOW!!!!! :lol: You asked for one, you got one, now prove there is a need for the laws, I want real numbers, .05% Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HenryHill9323 65 Posted October 10, 2014 It doesn't prove either of those things. RMFF! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HenryHill9323 65 Posted October 10, 2014 LOL...Dozens really. WOW!!!!! :lol: You asked for one, you got one, now prove there is a need for the laws, I want real numbers, .05% lol......ONE really. WOW,!!!! :lol: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Honcho 5,294 Posted October 10, 2014 Disenfranchised? Maybe. Did the guy know ahead of time he needed an ID to vote? Yet he still got a ride there (someone still took him there knowing he had no ID and couldn't vote?) knowing he would not be allowed to vote? Though, looks like they screwed up and did not allow him to cast a provisional ballot by the rule of the law. Could the man have obtained an ID by a reasonable means? We don't know this...if there was something really preventing him from obtaining the ID, then you may have a point. If not, seems more out of laziness or to create a story. The entire purpose of these laws is to disenfranchise minority and poor voters and we know this because Republicans keep admitting that is the goal and not to protect the sanctity of elections. Republicans Admit Voter-ID Laws Are Aimed at Democratic Voters Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Honcho 5,294 Posted October 10, 2014 lol......ONE really. WOW,!!!! :lol: You were the one who asked dumb ass. I guess this is your attempt at avoiding showing we need this law, thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted October 10, 2014 The entire purpose of these laws is to disenfranchise minority and poor voters and we know this because Republicans keep admitting that is the goal and not to protect the sanctity of elections. Republicans Admit Voter-ID Laws Are Aimed at Democratic Voters Not sure what you were trying to link to there...but you linked to this thread. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HenryHill9323 65 Posted October 10, 2014 The entire purpose of these laws is to disenfranchise minority and poor voters and we know this because Republicans keep admitting that is the goal and not to protect the sanctity of elections. Republicans Admit Voter-ID Laws Are Aimed at Democratic Voters Nice link, dumbass. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Honcho 5,294 Posted October 10, 2014 Not sure what you were trying to link to there...but you linked to this thread. Link fixed. Point being that these laws have 0% to do with election fraud. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HenryHill9323 65 Posted October 10, 2014 Link fixed. Point being that these laws have 0% to do with election fraud. Your opinion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Honcho 5,294 Posted October 10, 2014 Nice link, dumbass. Cool, you got me, I copied and pasted the wrong window. Congrats I guess on your win. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted October 10, 2014 Link fixed. Point being that these laws have 0% to do with election fraud. Um...now all you linked to was an opinion piece on a pretty terribly biased website. And his proof was because someone on another biased right win website admitted it? And in that they were talking about early voting laws. (which I would agree, limiting time on those to limit the voting is ridiculous) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Honcho 5,294 Posted October 10, 2014 Your opinion. No, those are the stated goals of the GOP and the intention of these laws, Jim Crow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Giants Fan 85 Posted October 10, 2014 Not sure what you were trying to link to there...but you linked to this thread.Prolly the article I posted in this thread that you are ignoring. "Just one!" ... i believe is what you said. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Honcho 5,294 Posted October 10, 2014 Um...now all you linked to was an opinion piece on a pretty terribly biased website. And his proof was because someone on another biased right win website admitted it? And in that they were talking about early voting laws. (which I would agree, limiting time on those to limit the voting is ridiculous) That doesn't change the fact that the GOP is actively working to suppress votes, that's just another way. I'm getting back to work, you can google yourself, but here... Pennsylvania GOP Chief Admits Voter ID Laws Suppressed Democratic Vote In 2012 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Giants Fan 85 Posted October 10, 2014 Pretending things didn't happen, and them actually not happening are 2 different things. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BunnysBastatrds 2,450 Posted October 10, 2014 The entire purpose of these laws is to disenfranchise minority and poor voters and we know this because Republicans keep admitting that is the goal and not to protect the sanctity of elections. Republicans Admit Voter-ID Laws Are Aimed at Democratic Voters You have to have an ID to vote in Louisiana. We have a large minority population here. Nobody complains or screams disenfranchisement here. The ID system works and we've proven it here. It's actually the one thing we're really good at compared to other states. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bert 1,128 Posted October 10, 2014 So, your worry is the theft of a voter registration card? Do you think that is a very large number that would affect any election? I don't really care. American voter participation is so pathetic picture ID or no picture ID it really won't make a significant difference. It is more a principal issue. You can't fly into this country without a picture ID but you can vote? That is just stupid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted October 10, 2014 If you have to show an ID to register how does it disenfranchise that same person to require an ID to vote?good question ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted October 10, 2014 I don't really care. American voter participation is so pathetic picture ID or no picture ID it really won't make a significant difference. It is more a principal issue. You can't fly into this country without a picture ID but you can vote? That is just stupid. Comparing flying to voting...great logic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted October 10, 2014 Prolly the article I posted in this thread that you are ignoring. "Just one!" ... i believe is what you said. Just one?when did I ever say that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frank M 181 Posted October 10, 2014 LOL...Dozens really. WOW!!!!! :lol: You asked for one, you got one, now prove there is a need for the laws, I want real numbers, .05% He did the same thing a few years back when he asked for one example, I gave him one, he didn't like it, then he started spinning. Some things never change. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HenryHill9323 65 Posted October 10, 2014 He did the same thing a few years back when he asked for one example, I gave him one, he didn't like it, then he started spinning. Some things never change. You really think one example justifies the way Dems trot to DISENFRANCHISEMENT!!!!!! as much as they do to scare the weak minded low information types? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,058 Posted October 10, 2014 You really think one example justifies the way Dems trot to DISENFRANCHISEMENT!!!!!! as much as they do to scare the weak minded low information types? "Low information"! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redtodd 7 Posted October 10, 2014 Dumb to not make people show ID. Makes absolutely no sense to me, especially considering that I have to show ID for so many other things. Here's an idea if the lack of ID is the issue, how about making it easier for people to have appropriate identification? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HenryHill9323 65 Posted October 10, 2014 Dumb to not make people show ID. Makes absolutely no sense to me, especially considering that I have to show ID for so many other things. Here's an idea if the lack of ID is the issue, how about making it easier for people to have appropriate identification? Texas gives you one for free. Hard to get any easier, yet these activist judges decided to legislate from the bench. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted October 10, 2014 Dumb to not make people show ID. Makes absolutely no sense to me, especially considering that I have to show ID for so many other things. Here's an idea if the lack of ID is the issue, how about making it easier for people to have appropriate identification? This is part of my support for voter ID...they have to make IDs more accessible to some (there are areas where there simply is not a place close to obtain an ID). With that though, comes cost. If the cost is negligible...Im all for it. If its a high cost to the tax payer? Then we have issues. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,491 Posted October 10, 2014 Google Dooshtard got clobbered in this thread. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cloaca du jour 2,151 Posted October 11, 2014 Cant get the illegals feeding off our system to vote if you make them show ID. Then how would these Dems get elected? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,148 Posted October 11, 2014 24 Things that require a photo ID. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCcQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwashingtonexaminer.com%2F24-things-that-require-a-photo-id%2Farticle%2F2534254&ei=r4w4VO6fJ4TygwSv3IHAAg&usg=AFQjCNFzGS2WnipSheCswpPRnDq7dtWPoA&bvm=bv.77161500,d.eXYIs #6 Sux or what? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted October 11, 2014 24 Things that require a photo ID. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCcQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwashingtonexaminer.com%2F24-things-that-require-a-photo-id%2Farticle%2F2534254&ei=r4w4VO6fJ4TygwSv3IHAAg&usg=AFQjCNFzGS2WnipSheCswpPRnDq7dtWPoA&bvm=bv.77161500,d.eXY Is #6 Sux or what? To those I always say...so what? What do those things have to do with voting? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JTB 52 Posted October 11, 2014 What I find interesting are Democrats who are proud to be part of a political party that embraces a bunch of old, lazy minorities who can't find their way to get a valid photo ID. Thank God I keep company with the opposition. After all, " You are the company you keep." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted October 11, 2014 What I find interesting are Democrats who are proud to be part of a political party that embraces a bunch of old, lazy minorities who can't find their way to get a valid photo ID. Thank God I keep company with the opposition. After all, " You are the company you keep." If those people tended to vote Republican...the Republican party would embrace them and pander to them as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,829 Posted October 11, 2014 If anything, voter ID laws are poorist, not racist. I admit that I am both a poorist and a stupidist. I'm OK with the poor and stupid voting on people for positions, since everyone should have a say in who represents them. But ballot initiatives that dictate where tax money is spent... poor people have a bit of a conflict of interest. Similarly, if you aren't familiar with the issues, you shouldn't be allowed to vote on them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,148 Posted October 11, 2014 To those I always say...so what? What do those things have to do with voting? 1. Because the memes are funny. 2. Let's take buying a gun as one example. The right to bear arms, like the right to vote is a protected right via the constitution of this country. For Democrats, showing ID for one isn't near enough, but somehow obscene for the other. It's absurd. We have free speech, but you can't yell fire in a crowded theatre. Protected rights are not without common sense requirements. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted October 11, 2014 Similarly, if you aren't familiar with the issues, you shouldn't be allowed to vote on them. Sure...but how would you test that? Even a large portion of people who feel they are informed are only informed on what their side says about it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted October 11, 2014 1. Because the memes are funny. 2. Let's take buying a gun as one example. The right to bear arms, like the right to vote is a protected right via the constitution of this country. For Democrats, showing ID for one isn't near enough for one, but somehow obscene for the other. It's absurd. We have free speech, but you can't yell fire in a crowded theatre. Protected rights are not without common sense requirements. 1. Some are. 2. You have the right to own a gun...you don't have the right to purchase one or to own a weapon without the ability of the government to track the weapon. Again, I am for voter ID laws...but this argument is one of the weakest out there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,148 Posted October 11, 2014 1. Some are. 2. You have the right to own a gun...you don't have the right to purchase one or to own a weapon without the ability of the government to track the weapon. Again, I am for voter ID laws...but this argument is one of the weakest out there. It's not an argument dummy. It's called drawing a parallel. Stop for one second and think, like really think about what you just typed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,829 Posted October 11, 2014 Sure...but how would you test that? Even a large portion of people who feel they are informed are only informed on what their side says about it. That's an implementation issue, if the populace thinks that the idea has merit. Theoretically you could have some basic questions about the topics of consideration which are party independent. But we as a society think it is an unreasonable imposition to prove who you are before you cast your vote, so the idea of proving that you have a basic idea about the issues would send too many people into a frenzy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,058 Posted October 11, 2014 If anything, voter ID laws are poorist, not racist. I admit that I am both a poorist and a stupidist. I'm OK with the poor and stupid voting on people for positions, since everyone should have a say in who represents them. But ballot initiatives that dictate where tax money is spent... poor people have a bit of a conflict of interest. Similarly, if you aren't familiar with the issues, you shouldn't be allowed to vote on them. The super rich have always had a conflict of interest when buying off legislators for tax breaks, punitive labor laws, etc. Never stopped them Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,829 Posted October 11, 2014 The super rich have always had a conflict of interest when buying off legislators for tax breaks, punitive labor laws, etc. Never stopped them I don't disagree. Do you think having ignorant people vote is the best way to combat this? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
