Score two for democracy

[IGotWorms 4,058]

I don't disagree. Do you think having ignorant people vote is the best way to combat this?

Well....no

[jerryskids 6,827]

Well....no

Well then we have an implementation problem. Two wrongs don't make a right. Personally I would like to see congresspeople get paid a hella lot more so that it attracts a higher caliber person who wouldn't feel beholden to special interests to get a few more bucks. The pay difference would be mice nuts in the giant scheme of what our government spends.

 

How to avoid ignorant voters is more challenging, because everyone should vote dambit$#@!

[IGotWorms 4,058]

Well then we have an implementation problem. Two wrongs don't make a right. Personally I would like to see congresspeople get paid a hella lot more so that it attracts a higher caliber person who wouldn't feel beholden to special interests to get a few more bucks. The pay difference would be mice nuts in the giant scheme of what our government spends.

 

How to avoid ignorant voters is more challenging, because everyone should vote dambit$#@!

It's not their pay so much as it is the cost of re-election. Term limits or campaign finance reform. Apparently the Roberts Court won't allow the latter so that makes the choice pretty easy

[Sho Nuff 720]

It's not an argument dummy. It's called drawing a parallel. Stop for one second and think, like really think about what you just typed.

 

I thought about it...comparing it or drawing a parallel to that is still one of the dumbest things you can do.

Not surprised that the hacks of this site make such a parallel, but a bit surprised you would do so and defend it too.

[mobb_deep 920]

Every American should get a mandatory barcode tattoo from Walmart. No more voter fraud and more money for our Walton overlords. Win win.

[Mike Honcho 5,294]

What I find interesting are Democrats who are proud to be part of a political party that embraces a bunch of old, lazy minorities who can't find their way to get a valid photo ID.

 

Thank God I keep company with the opposition. After all, " You are the company you keep."

 

My company wants as many people to exercise their RIGHT to vote as possible, you company doesn't want "THOSE" people from voting.

[Mike Honcho 5,294]

Texas gives you one for free. Hard to get any easier, yet these activist judges decided to legislate from the bench.

 

Hey Jim Crow, free isn't always free.

 

Texas has no driver's license offices in almost a third of the state's counties. Meanwhile, close to 15 percent of Hispanic Texans living in counties without driver's license offices don't have ID. A little less than a quarter of driver's license offices have extended hours, which would make it tough for many working voters to find a place and time to acquire the IDs. Despite this, the Texas legislature struck an amendment that would have reimbursed low-income voters for travel expenses when going to apply for a voter ID, and killed another that would have required offices to remain open until 7:00 p.m. or later on just one weekday, and four or more hours at least two weekends.

 

How Voter ID Laws Are Being Used to Disenfranchise Minorities and the Poor

 

 

ps...how you coming on finding .05% cases of voter fraud? I mean seriously, that should be easy.

[drobeski 3,061]

Mike needs his team to have the ability to cheat, if you take that right to cheat away you're a racist.

 

Mike is the the moonbat of all moonbats.

 

What am imbecile and a loser.

[KSB2424 3,148]

 

I thought about it...comparing it or drawing a parallel to that is still one of the dumbest things you can do.

Not surprised that the hacks of this site make such a parallel, but a bit surprised you would do so and defend it too.

 

Your posts make no sense. You come on this board and talk in circles every day, its sort of weird. Just sayin'.

 

My point is that I'm drawing a parallel between the 2nd Amendment and the 15th Amendment. And how the oppositions/proponents of those two are using the same arguments only flipped.

 

Gun nuts say by having background checks and other limits (far far greater than just a simple photo ID btw) is taking away a protected right from people.

 

Ultra Liberals say that having a simple photo ID that limits / disenfranchise a person from a protected right to vote.

 

Both keep yelling about how "its in the constitution!@#!" as their backbone argument. Just look at the thread title.

 

I'm drawing the parallel to illustrate to the liberals in this thread that putting in common sense limits on a protected right is not only okay but done with other constitutional amendments. There are gun restrictions / background checks / ID's to purchase and own one. Free Speech doesn't mean ALL free speech, there are restrictions like carrying pornographic signs near a school or yelling fire in a theater as an example.

 

Similarly, by requiring a voter to a.) register then b.) simply have a photo ID when voting are very easy and mild common sense restrictions on the 15th amendment. Nobody is asking for anything crazy or out of the ordinary,nore are they restricting any group, everyone of age can vote if they want to. It just makes sense. All the people scouring the Internets trying to find one 93 year old dude or a town in Texas that is 30 miles away from a DMV is just them reaching for straws. Just like the gun nut who scours the internet finding that this one Texas Rancher uses his assault rifle to kill viral hogs and thus this is proof those guns are needed for all. Straw reaching.

[wiffleball 4,790]

just for a little bit of context, you guys do realize that you have to provide ID Just to get f****** cold medicine these days right?

[KSB2424 3,148]

just for a little bit of context, you guys do realize that you have to provide ID Just to get f****** cold medicine these days right?

 

Not only that but you need ID to receive medicaid, obamacare, SS, unemployment, and food stamps. To be honest if everyone had an ID to prove who they are then all these entitlements and safety nets could be more easily, efficiently and better handed out to those in real need.

 

Attention poor people, ghetto people, rural white trash, and old people. Go get your FREE photo ID so you can not only get all your free stuff from the gov't but you can vote easily too!@#!

[HenryHill9323 65]

1. Because the memes are funny.

 

2. Let's take buying a gun as one example. The right to bear arms, like the right to vote is a protected right via the constitution of this country. For Democrats, showing ID for one isn't near enough, but somehow obscene for the other. It's absurd. We have free speech, but you can't yell fire in a crowded theatre. Protected rights are not without common sense requirements.

Nailed it!

[HenryHill9323 65]

 

1. Some are.

2. You have the right to own a gun...you don't have the right to purchase one or to own a weapon without the ability of the government to track the weapon. Again, I am for voter ID laws...but this argument is one of the weakest out there.

The Constitution says nothing about he Govt having the ability to track a weapon. Those restrictions were added later to combat illegality.

 

The same can be said for the right to vote. ID laws are restrictions added to combat illegality.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Mike needs his team to have the ability to cheat, if you take that right to cheat away you're a racist.

 

Mike is the the moonbat of all moonbats.

 

What am imbecile and a loser.

 

Insults are pretty typical for you and your buddy when you don't agree with someone.

You make claims that he wants people to have the ability to cheat...so you also like to lie about what his position actually is.

Nor did he call you or anyone a racist.

Seems the person who needs to lie about what people are claiming and insult those that don't fall in line with their beliefs is the moon bat. There are several of you here like that.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

Right to vote >>> right to bear arms

 

HTH

[HenryHill9323 65]

Right to vote >>> right to bear arms

 

HTH

Yeah, that's why the Founding Fathers SPECIFICALLY gave us the right to bear arms, yet didn't specifically give us the right to vote.

[HenryHill9323 65]

Since the libtards think the cost of an ID violates the Constitutional right to vote shouldn't we be able to get free guns since we have a Constitutional right to bear arms?

 

If I don't get a free gun you are denying me my Constitutional right! See how fukking dumb your side's argument is?

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

Your posts make no sense. You come on this board and talk in circles every day, its sort of weird. Just sayin'.

 

My point is that I'm drawing a parallel between the 2nd Amendment and the 15th Amendment. And how the oppositions/proponents of those two are using the same arguments only flipped.

 

Gun nuts say by having background checks and other limits (far far greater than just a simple photo ID btw) is taking away a protected right from people.

 

Ultra Liberals say that having a simple photo ID that limits / disenfranchise a person from a protected right to vote.

 

Both keep yelling about how "its in the constitution!@#!" as their backbone argument. Just look at the thread title.

 

I'm drawing the parallel to illustrate to the liberals in this thread that putting in common sense limits on a protected right is not only okay but done with other constitutional amendments. There are gun restrictions / background checks / ID's to purchase and own one. Free Speech doesn't mean ALL free speech, there are restrictions like carrying pornographic signs near a school or yelling fire in a theater as an example.

 

Similarly, by requiring a voter to a.) register then b.) simply have a photo ID when voting are very easy and mild common sense restrictions on the 15th amendment. Nobody is asking for anything crazy or out of the ordinary,nore are they restricting any group, everyone of age can vote if they want to. It just makes sense. All the people scouring the Internets trying to find one 93 year old dude or a town in Texas that is 30 miles away from a DMV is just them reaching for straws. Just like the gun nut who scours the internet finding that this one Texas Rancher uses his assault rifle to kill viral hogs and thus this is proof those guns are needed for all. Straw reaching.

 

How am I talking in circles?

Because I believe in voter ID but want to see actual data to support a few things on both sides of it?

Because I don't fall in line with one party or the other on the issue and don't want to believe the propaganda put forth by highly biased sources on either side and would rather see real data on fraud, on disenfranchisement, on the cost of providing free IDs in order to make sure all people may exercise their right to vote?

 

yeah...what a crazy position I am taking on the issue.

BTW...there is a common sense way to protect this right...people do have to prove who they are in some form in order to register to vote (note to the slow, proving who you are does not equal providing a photo ID in most states...so don't start the "you have to show ID to register, why can't you show to vote).

I still believe all should have a photo ID and that they should be made available to all (in those far reaching areas with no DL stations...and so on. But at what cost?

Questions that people on both sides of this issue can't really answer without pulling up completely biased crap written by people who support their side.

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

Not only that but you need ID to receive medicaid, obamacare, SS, unemployment, and food stamps. To be honest if everyone had an ID to prove who they are then all these entitlements and safety nets could be more easily, efficiently and better handed out to those in real need.

 

Attention poor people, ghetto people, rural white trash, and old people. Go get your FREE photo ID so you can not only get all your free stuff from the gov't but you can vote easily too!@#!

 

Who is providing the free ID? Who is transporting people?

Who is paying for it?

[Sho Nuff 720]

Right to vote is not the same as...nor comparable or a parallel to the right to bear arms

 

HTH

 

Fixed...since a few still are very fixated on comparing the right to vote (and the duty it actually is in a way) to owning a weapon or now buying medicine is now a right as well.

[drobeski 3,061]

If they need an I'd to register to vote, what's the problem with bringing it to the polls ?

 

Did they lose their ID's ?

 

 

Do you see how stupid and weak this fake outrage arguemnent from the moonbats is ?

[Sho Nuff 720]

If they need an I'd to register to vote, what's the problem with bringing it to the polls ?

 

Did they lose their ID's ?

 

 

Do you see how stupid and weak this fake outrage arguemnent from the moonbats is ?

 

 

 

 

(note to the slow, proving who you are does not equal providing a photo ID in most states...so don't start the "you have to show ID to register, why can't you show to vote).

 

[IGotWorms 4,058]

Yeah, that's why the Founding Fathers SPECIFICALLY gave us the right to bear arms, yet didn't specifically give us the right to vote.

 

The right to vote permeates the whole damn Constitution, dummy. Not to mention the Declaration of Independence

 

I can't believe some focktard is actually arguing the right to vote isn't fundamental in the world's greatest democracy

[IGotWorms 4,058]

Since the libtards think the cost of an ID violates the Constitutional right to vote shouldn't we be able to get free guns since we have a Constitutional right to bear arms?

 

If I don't get a free gun you are denying me my Constitutional right! See how fukking dumb your side's argument is?

They aren't the same you focking retard

[HenryHill9323 65]

The right to vote permeates the whole damn Constitution, dummy. Not to mention the Declaration of Independence

 

I can't believe some focktard is actually arguing the right to vote isn't fundamental in the world's greatest democracy

Really? The right to vote is spelled out in the Declaration of Independence???

 

 

Here is the text of it, Dumbfukk. Show us where they spell out the right of vote, or even mention it.

 

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/declaration_transcript.html

 

You are nothing more than a dumbukk pretend lawyer who is clueless on all things who is good at nothing except showing up here on a daily basis to prove you are nothing more than a dumbfukk pretend lawyer who is clueless on all things.

[Voltaire 5,317]

Yeah, that's why the Founding Fathers SPECIFICALLY gave us the right to bear arms, yet didn't specifically give us the right to vote.

 

Um... they specifically gave us both. In post 92 you highlighted a quote when KSB said the same thing and your comment was "nailed it" 

[rholio 339]

Mike needs his team to have the ability to cheat, if you take that right to cheat away you're a racist.

 

Mike is the the moonbat of all moonbats.

 

What am imbecile and a loser.

Okay, so it's Dr. Mike Obeski?

[IGotWorms 4,058]

You are nothing more than a dumbukk pretend lawyer who is clueless on all things who is good at nothing except showing up here on a daily basis to prove you are nothing more than a dumbfukk pretend lawyer who is clueless on all things.

That's a pretty weak burn, dude. You just said the same thing twice

[HenryHill9323 65]

Right to vote in DOI?????????????

 

[IGotWorms 4,058]

I can't believe some focktard is actually arguing the right to vote isn't fundamental to the world's greatest democracy

Bump. Holy hell, some people are just dumber than dogsh1t

[HenryHill9323 65]

Couldn't find it???????

I always love kicking your dumbfukk ass on legal issues.

[MDC 7,486]

IGW just curb stomped Welcher Dooshtard.

[HenryHill9323 65]

The right to vote permeates the whole damn Constitution, dummy. Not to mention the Declaration of Independence

 

I can't believe some focktard is actually arguing the right to vote isn't fundamental in the world's greatest democracy

Who is arguing that?

 

Also, found anything in the Declaration of Independence spelling out that fundamental right yet?

 

.....and we are a Representative Republic, not a Democracy.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

Who is arguing that?

 

Also, found anything in the Declaration of Independence spelling out that fundamental right yet?

 

.....and we are a Representative Republic, not a Democracy.

RP hates democracy so much he's trying to figure out how to call it something different now

[Sho Nuff 720]

RP hates democracy so much he's trying to figure out how to call it something different now

 

Not that I like to defend him...but we are a Representative Republic and not a flat out "democracy".

I hate direct democracy too...so did the founding fathers calling it dangerous even. You can't give the people all the power to make all the decisions.

 

Now are we truely a Republic now...more of a Representative Democracy...that is some minor detail really in how you want to describe what is really going on with our government IMO.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

 

Not that I like to defend him...but we are a Representative Republic and not a flat out "democracy".

I hate direct democracy too...so did the founding fathers calling it dangerous even. You can't give the people all the power to make all the decisions.

 

Now are we truely a Republic now...more of a Representative Democracy...that is some minor detail really in how you want to describe what is really going on with our government IMO.

 

Bingo!

 

Yes I am aware that not every single person in the country literally votes on every single law. We elect representatives to do that for us. Thanks for that, Captain Obvious

[HenryHill9323 65]

RP hates democracy so much he's trying to figure out how to call it something different now

You didn't answer either question.

 

And I called the USA what it is. You called something it isn't, dumbass.

 

Man, you should look up that Carribean "law school" you found on a matchbook and sue their ass for fraud and send them back your diploma etched on the side of a coconut. The $200 you sent them for it isn't where the big money is, the big money is in the pain and suffering you have endured on this bored for years whenever you comment on any legal issue.

[HenryHill9323 65]

The right to vote permeates the whole damn Constitution, dummy. Not to mention the Declaration of Independence

I can't believe some focktard is actually arguing the right to vote isn't fundamental in the world's greatest democracy

I see where you are fukking up here, Worms.

 

I said the Founding Fathers did not give individuals the right to vote. The Constitution, as amended , does. But nowhere in the document the Founding Fathers wrote does it say individuals have the right to vote.

 

 

Neither does the Declaration of Independence.

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

Bingo!

 

Yes I am aware that not every single person in the country literally votes on every single law. We elect representatives to do that for us. Thanks for that, Captain Obvious

 

Well, your bump to go back and forth with a poster who had it technically correct seemed a bit off...even if it was RP you were talking about.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

 

Well, your bump to go back and forth with a poster who had it technically correct seemed a bit off...even if it was RP you were talking about.

 

Technically correct my ass. You said we're a representative democracy which IS democracy. You're talking about pure democracy but no such thing exists in any nation state on this earth, so why in the fock should anyone have to specify that isn't the "democracy" they're talking about?