listen2me 23 1,827 Posted November 3, 2014 And your most compelling argument is that when given a greased slide into the last game of the season, every season, vs a hand picked opponent, the conference with the biggest media support has won. Shocking. Yes my stance is they have proven to beat other conf. Best teams in the game thst matters most. Yes that is my argument. I never said sec top to bottom has awedome teams. But it has 3 or 4 very top teams every year. Their best team has proven to best other conf best teams 7 out of 8 times. Almost 8 out of 8. The vaunted fla st team from the great ACC got by last year. Yes that is my reasoning. Yes I will use the results of thr sec's top team beating other top teams in the country....consistantly. But then again logic is useful to me. Perhaps you dont find it useful. Ill let you have your "it just is" arugument. Thats a rather dumb stance. But you are allowed it if that is all you have. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted November 3, 2014 Been sipping from Bunny's stash? Logic...what happened 8 years ago is not logic about any teams this year. Just to let you know. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JT 137 Posted November 3, 2014 Yes my stance is they have proven to beat other conf. Best teams in the game thst matters most. Yes that is my argument. I never said sec top to bottom has awedome teams. But it has 3 or 4 very top teams every year. Their best team has proven to best other conf best teams 7 out of 8 times. Almost 8 out of 8. The vaunted fla st team from the great ACC got by last year. Yes that is my reasoning. Yes I will use the results of thr sec's top team beating other top teams in the country....consistantly. But then again logic is useful to me. Perhaps you dont find it useful. Ill let you have your "it just is" arugument. Thats a rather dumb stance. But you are allowed it if that is all...." Unintentionally deleted the end of your condescending post. A tragic loss to all. If any other conference was virtually guaranteed a spot in the last game of the season due to the same shell game ie rank everyone in the conference too high, endlessly hype as the best to many voters who don't even watch games, and then was presented an opponent only from a hand selected group, I'd have the same issue. I don't like any game with a loaded deck. That's not to say that there haven't been years where the SEC representative was the best team in the country. But I don't believe they should have even had the chance some seasons, and others I feel like the most worthy opponent was not presented. College football has been, since the advent of ESPNs ties with the SEC, a popularity contest where only one of two spots was truly available. If one conference gets to be in the final game every year vs an opponent that annually is drawn from a different pool, the odds that that conference will show a pattern of success are pretty high. It also perpetuates the cycle, as they then get the best recruits etc. And as stated by others, what happened 8 years ago SHOULD have nothing to do with what happens today. It's just that the bell can't be unrung. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mungwater 593 Posted November 9, 2014 Gig em aggies This should be interesting Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,574 Posted November 9, 2014 Arizona State plays ND in Tempe this weekend. If they win that game, then I think they'll be in the discussion. Of course they would still need to beat Arizona, then Oregon in the championship game. What a weird game. Totally dominated the first half, then let ND get within 3, then score 21 unanswered. 55-31 final against a team that was a play away from beating FSU. If they win out they are in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mungwater 593 Posted November 9, 2014 What a weird game. Totally dominated the first half, then let ND get within 3, then score 21 unanswered. 55-31 final against a team that was a play away from beating FSU. If they win out they are in. I think so too, but where does that leave a team like Baylor or TCU? Need to expand already to eight. It's going to be interesting Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted November 9, 2014 What a weird game. Totally dominated the first half, then let ND get within 3, then score 21 unanswered. 55-31 final against a team that was a play away from beating FSU. If they win out they are in. They and TCU. Interesting going down to the wire in Baton Rouge tonight too. Ohio State with a big win...but they need help to get in. Interesting to see which SEC team will make it if Bama can't win tonight. (and that fumble may do it). Can Miss State hold on. AGain...still looking like no great teams out there. TCU may be... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745 Posted November 9, 2014 Down goes Bama... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drizzay 699 Posted November 9, 2014 Wow LSU totally focked that up. Athletes abound in the SEC, but they are still as dumb as rest of the country. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reality 3,102 Posted November 9, 2014 Down goes Bama... Terrible overtime sequence by LSU, Les strikes again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,574 Posted November 9, 2014 Wow LSU totally focked that up. Athletes abound in the SEC, but they are still as dumb as rest of the country. No, the SEC is awesome, they should just put the top 4 SEC teams into the playoff. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745 Posted November 9, 2014 Down goes Bama... Spoke too soon. What a choke job. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,148 Posted November 9, 2014 I can't believe that Utah WR. That was pass interference by Bama. ASU, TCU, Baylor, and Ohio St all looked impressive. I think we'll see: 1. Miss St. 2. FSU 3. Oregon 4. Bama 5. TCU 6. ASU 7. Baylor 8. Ohio St Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crackattack 520 Posted November 9, 2014 I can't believe that Utah WR. That was pass interference by Bama. ASU, TCU, Baylor, and Ohio St all looked impressive. I think we'll see: 1. Miss St. 2. FSU 3. Oregon 4. Bama 5. TCU 6. ASU 7. Baylor 8. Ohio St I agree. I think FSU and Miss St. should flip flop, but that's not all that important yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,148 Posted November 9, 2014 I agree. I think FSU and Miss St. should flip flop, but that's not all that important yet. Unless TCU, Baylor, ASU AND Ohio St. All lose a game I don't forsee a two loss SEC team in the playoffs. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crackattack 520 Posted November 9, 2014 Unless TCU, Baylor, ASU AND Ohio St. All lose a game I don't forsee a two loss SEC team in the playoffs. Agree with that also. Any one loss team from a major conference should get in first. Two loss teams are out unless those teams you mentioned lose a game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phillybear 366 Posted November 9, 2014 Make TCU the #1 seed, and then go from there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,574 Posted November 9, 2014 I can't believe that Utah WR. That was pass interference by Bama. ASU, TCU, Baylor, and Ohio St all looked impressive. I think we'll see: 1. Miss St. 2. FSU 3. Oregon 4. Bama 5. TCU 6. ASU 7. Baylor 8. Ohio St Good list. I agree. I think FSU and Miss St. should flip flop, but that's not all that important yet. Really? I think FSU is highly overrated. They consistently barely beat average teams. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted November 9, 2014 I can't believe that Utah WR. That was pass interference by Bama. ASU, TCU, Baylor, and Ohio St all looked impressive. I think we'll see: 1. Miss St. 2. FSU 3. Oregon 4. Bama 5. TCU 6. ASU 7. Baylor 8. Ohio St Probably...Id put TCU ahead of Bama now. Bama has their chance to slide up higher if they can beat MSU. You just already know one of them is dropping fromt he top 4 next week. Will be interesting if Bama can beat MSU, then lose to Auburn and MSU also lose to Ole Miss. 2 loss SEC team making the top 4 if all others stay with one loss (TCU, Oregon, FSU, OSU)? OSU has to hope the other side of the BIG doesn't fock this up. They have to get either a 1 loss Nebraska or a 2 loss Wisconsin in the BIG title game in order to really jump up. If Wisky beats Nebraska and someone like Minnesota beats Wisconsin and OSU has to play the Gophers...it won't help them all that much. They need someone in red to give them a boost. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745 Posted November 9, 2014 You know Mississippi state was pissed last night. They had all but punched their ticket to the sec title game till lsu chocked. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crackattack 520 Posted November 9, 2014 Good list. Really? I think FSU is highly overrated. They consistently barely beat average teams. Maybe, but they are the defending champions and haven't lost a game in almost two years Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drizzay 699 Posted November 10, 2014 OSU has to hope the other side of the BIG doesn't fock this up. They have to get either a 1 loss Nebraska or a 2 loss Wisconsin in the BIG title game in order to really jump up. If Wisky beats Nebraska and someone like Minnesota beats Wisconsin and OSU has to play the Gophers...it won't help them all that much. They need someone in red to give them a boost. I am expecting the Gophers to get blown out on Sat, but OSU better not over-look them. It will be the first top-ten opponent at home in a few years, and Coach Kill will have them ready. They just don't have the same type of athletes as OSU. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DankNuggs 305 Posted November 10, 2014 TCU will get jobbed by the committee and we will be having the same discussion we had about the BCS bowl system screwing mid majors Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,148 Posted November 10, 2014 TCU will get jobbed by the committee and we will be having the same discussion we had about the BCS bowl system screwing mid majors If TCU wins out I don't see how they don't make it in. Bama and Miss St. play one another. If Oregon and ASU both win out they'll play one another in the PAC12 Championship Game. Its pretty much going to be (unless all hell breaks loose) the SEC champ, the PAC12 champ, FSU and X If TCU wins out I think they are the last team in. Their only realy competition is Baylor. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
posty 2,612 Posted November 10, 2014 TCU will get jobbed by the committee and we will be having the same discussion we had about the BCS bowl system screwing mid majors The Big 12 isn't a mid-major... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mungwater 593 Posted November 10, 2014 The Big 12 isn't a mid-major... What I took it as, with the current system we will still have the same arguments that we had last year. I'm pretty sure he knows the big 12 isn't a mid major conference. Take it as, if we had last years system, would Marshall get a BCS bowl? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted November 10, 2014 If TCU wins out I don't see how they don't make it in. Bama and Miss St. play one another. If Oregon and ASU both win out they'll play one another in the PAC12 Championship Game. Its pretty much going to be (unless all hell breaks loose) the SEC champ, the PAC12 champ, FSU and X If TCU wins out I think they are the last team in. Their only realy competition is Baylor. And should Baylor jump them. Yes...TCU has the better resume...but head to head, they lost. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
posty 2,612 Posted November 10, 2014 What I took it as, with the current system we will still have the same arguments that we had last year. I'm pretty sure he knows the big 12 isn't a mid major conference. Take it as, if we had last years system, would Marshall get a BCS bowl? I think they would have to have been at least 16th in the BCS standings... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,148 Posted November 10, 2014 And should Baylor jump them. Yes...TCU has the better resume...but head to head, they lost. I'm not saying you are wrong as its an interesting conversation between who should be ranked higher betweeen TCU and Baylor. TCU has the better resume (quality wins / SOS) but Baylor beat TCU but Baylor lost to K-State who TCU just beat soundly If only they had a conference championship game like everybody else. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
