Denver +3.5 at home. How good can they be?

[tanatastic 2,061]

 

Yeah...the guy that does not understand what maximize means declaring victory is funny.

You should have left it to Megla...he at least brings knowledge and not just the long accepted "facts".

Yes, long accepted facts are pretty pathetic ammo to bring to an argument...got me. They are facts, not "facts".

[tanatastic 2,061]

Bookies want an edge. Yea and I want to be the king of spain. Good luck with that in the nfl where anything can happen. They want the bets split 50/50 period. Its not you vs the bookies number.

[Magnificent Bastard 190]

Middles are for suckers, they hit less than 5% of the time even with a move as big as 4 points

Tell that to the sportsbooks for the Cowboys Steelers super bowl Jan of 79. It's referred to as Black Sunday in Vegas.

[Mike Honcho 4,143]

 

Have you considered the possibility that the guys you're listening to aren't being totally honest? I realize no one in the gambling world does that, but you do acknowledge that these aren't like your best buddies who you can trust implicitly, right?

 

Wait, that guy on ESPN Radio, Sunday mornings who's telling me he's got Vegas wired and for 2.99 a minute he can give me the inside scoop isn't 100% legit.

[Meglamaniac 380]

Tell that to the sportsbooks for the Cowboys Steelers super bowl Jan of 79. It's referred to as Black Sunday in Vegas.

I didn't say they didn't happen, it's a calculated risk like all GAMBLING.

[vuduchile 1,941]

 

Yeah...the guy that does not understand what maximize means declaring victory is funny.

You should have left it to Megla...he at least brings knowledge and not just the long accepted "facts".

I guess it's possible you misinterpreted something you heard on a radio show.

 

Either that, or you're just being obstinate in order to save face.

 

Bigger picture:

 

Why is it so hard for people to admit they were wrong here? Just step up, admit it, and take comfort knowing that you learned something new today.

 

Our collective inability to consider that we might not know EVERYTHING is the reason why there are so many sissy p1ss fights around here.

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

Have you considered the possibility that the guys you're listening to aren't being totally honest? I realize no one in the gambling world does that, but you do acknowledge that these aren't like your best buddies who you can trust implicitly, right?

I trust guys saying their goal is to make the most money.

I trust when they are trying hard not to admit they want to goad some into betting a certain way but don't deny it.

Logically makes more sense than the panacea of there are half winners and half losers and we are just the innocent middle men. Which is the crap you all have been lead to believe are "facts".

[Magnificent Bastard 190]

 

One of the greatest and mos lucrative gambling times in my life. It was just after bookies started using the internet to get updated hour to hour line changes. But you could find and old school bookie who still "booked out of the paper". You'd call Sunday morning to him and the Giants -4, because that's what Saturday nights line was. Then you call your new guy, who used the internet and he had the Giants -1.

 

It only lasted for two years before the old guy caught on to the times and realized he was giving out old (bad) numbers.

Had a friend of mine that was playing a guy like tha one college basketball season. Made a 10k middle bet on the final, didn't middle, but the bookie on the loss side died. Got paid on the 5k winning side.

[KSB2424 3,087]

Middles are for suckers, they hit less than 5% of the time even with a move as big as 4 points

 

I'm not saying you are wrong, but I'll pay 10% juice to shoot for a 4 point middle. I guess I'm a sucker, but in my experience I made more on middles than anything else. This was right when the internet came about and you could get an old line from your local bookie who was "booking out of the paper" and then the up to minute lines on the internet.

 

Where did you get that 5% figure? I'd like to see it.

[tanatastic 2,061]

 

Why is it so hard for people to admit they were wrong here? Just step up, admit it, and take comfort knowing that you learned something new today.

 

Our collective inability to consider that we might not know EVERYTHING is the reason why there are so many sissy p1ss fights around here.

So true, people get rooted too deep and its human nature to defend. they fear the endless messages of "I told you so" so instead try to just power through it.

[Meglamaniac 380]

 

Wait, that guy on ESPN Radio, Sunday mornings who's telling me he's got Vegas wired and for 2.99 a minute he can give me the inside scoop isn't 100% legit.

He's right depending on weather or not you are an even numbered caller or an odd numbered caller

[tanatastic 2,061]

I trust guys saying their goal is to make the most money.

I trust when they are trying hard not to admit they want to goad some into betting a certain way but don't deny it.

Logically makes more sense than the panacea of there are half winners and half losers and we are just the innocent middle men. Which is the crap you all have been lead to believe are "facts".

I see the logic, of course they want to win. But they cant control that nomatter how smart they are. The whole middleman concept is the very foundation of sports betting. Its the entire root of the tree.

[Meglamaniac 380]

 

I'm not saying you are wrong, but I'll pay 10% juice to shoot for a 4 point middle. I guess I'm a sucker, but in my experience I made more on middles than anything else. This was right when the internet came about and you could get an old line from your local bookie who was "booking out of the paper" and then the up to minute lines on the internet.

 

Where did you get that 5% figure? I'd like to see it.

From my books at the time I was booking.

[Sho Nuff 720]

I guess it's possible you misinterpreted something you heard on a radio show.

 

Either that, or you're just being obstinate in order to save face.

 

Bigger picture:

 

Why is it so hard for people to admit they were wrong here? Just step up, admit it, and take comfort knowing that you learned something new today.

 

Our collective inability to consider that we might not know EVERYTHING is the reason why there are so many sissy p1ss fights around here.

Why would I admit to being wrong when I don't believe I am?

I heard what was said just fine.

It was clear that a simple 50/50 split is not what they are wanting every time

[KSB2424 3,087]

From my books at the time I was booking.

 

Oh, I thought you had some Vegas statistic or something. While that figure might have been true for you, I don't think its correct. Ball games often times fall somewhere close to the number. If you can get a 4 point middle around that number I'll take a 1 in 10 shot to hit it. I actually think you flip it where the odds are in your favor if you ask me. Based on my experience.

 

But its hard to do these days....at least harder than back in the day. You have to bet a game when it comes out, wait until it moves (at least 3 points) which is rarely does that much, then bet again. It doesn't happen that often and takes real dedication.

[edjr 5,719]

He's right depending on weather or not you are an even numbered caller or an odd numbered caller

 

he was giving the weather too? Multitasker!

[Magnificent Bastard 190]

Why would I admit to being wrong when I don't believe I am?

I heard what was said just fine.

It was clear that a simple 50/50 split is not what they are wanting every time

Ok, so you were told that from a bad bookie. Got it.

[edjr 5,719]

FFT where no one is ever wrong, or will admit it.

[Meglamaniac 380]

 

Oh, I thought you had some Vegas statistic or something. While that figure might have been true for you, I don't think its correct. Ball games often times fall somewhere close to the number. If you can get a 4 point middle around that number I'll take a 1 in 10 shot to hit it. I actually think you flip it where the odds are in your favor if you ask me. Based on my experience.

Spreads are not as close to the actual as you may think.

Also a decent read

 

https://en.surebet.com/wiki/middles

[Sho Nuff 720]

Ok, so you were told that from a bad bookie. Got it.

If it was just one that I had heard this from...sure.

From 3 now...yeah, you keep thinking that.

[IGotWorms 3,430]

Poor Sho Nuff.

'Twas a bloodbath

[vuduchile 1,941]

Why would I admit to being wrong when I don't believe I am?

I heard what was said just fine.

It was clear that a simple 50/50 split is not what they are wanting every time

It's important to note that moving a line to get more money on one side is the goal, but it doesn't always happen.

 

Sometimes, the house may still end up with 65-70% of the money on one side. At that point, they have to make a decision whether they're comfortable with that risk.

 

Many large casinos will roll with it since a single game loss won't break them. They'll still win over the long haul. However, the local bookie will be laying off some of that action 99% of the time.

[Meglamaniac 380]

 

he was giving the weather too? Multitasker!

[Strike 4,093]

FFT where no one is ever wrong, or will admit it.

 

Including you.

 

[tanatastic 2,061]

Why would I admit to being wrong when I don't believe I am?

I heard what was said just fine.

It was clear that a simple 50/50 split is not what they are wanting every time

If I put myself in your shoes this is what id say. "Guys, I heard what I heard from reliable sources. But after seeing the evidence presented here, articles, testimony, overwhelming facts and doing a bit of easy google research myself...Iv come to the conclusion that I must have misunterstood or they misunderstood or somewhere got mixed up. I was sure I had it right but when theres an entire thread of people telling you your wrong, that at least warrants a step back to do research myself and double check my facts. Wich i did and you were right. Sorry for the crossed lines. Also one time I saw Tanas kek and its bigger than mine. I also had a gay experience with Edjr. He touched my no nos and I made a white wee wee."

[Sho Nuff 720]

It's important to note that moving a line to get more money on one side is the goal, but it doesn't always happen.

 

Sometimes, the house may still end up with 65-70% of the money on one side. At that point, they have to make a decision whether they're comfortable with that risk.

 

Many large casinos will roll with it since a single game loss won't break them. They'll still win over the long haul. However, the local bookie will be laying off some of that action 99% of the time.

I was talking Vegas...not local bookies as I have said.

[Sho Nuff 720]

If I put myself in your shoes this is what id say. "Guys, I heard what I heard from reliable sources. But after seeing the evidence presented here, articles, testimony, overwhelming facts and doing a bit of easy google research myself...Iv come to the conclusion that I must have misunterstood or they misunderstood or somewhere got mixed up. Sorry for the crossed lines."

And then I'd be lying.

 

And lol at overwhelming facts. Good one.

[iam90sbaby 2,150]

 

Add Green Bay and take out Cincy. Is Marvin Lewis still the HC in cincy? they've no chance on that alone

 

6-0 with the best QB in the game? Okay Skip Bayless.

[vuduchile 1,941]

I think we're done here.

[edjr 5,719]

 

Including you.

 

 

I admit I am wrong all the time, because I am.

 

you should pay better attention CurlyNight

[edjr 5,719]

 

6-0 with the best QB in the game?

 

Red Rocket?

[tanatastic 2,061]

I think we're done here.

The horse is still taking a beating.

[tanatastic 2,061]

 

6-0 with the best QB in the game? Okay Skip Bayless.

Hes sticking up for the pack. Saying cincy doesnt belong.

[edjr 5,719]

Hes sticking up for the pack. Saying cincy doesnt belong.

 

Christ are people dumb

[edjr 5,719]

The horse is still taking a beating.

 

the ONE (and I mean one) good thing about FBG. The deadhorse emoticon

[tanatastic 2,061]

 

Christ are people dumb

Prob a simple mix up. I do it all the time. Ill write out some longwinded rant then reread the op just in case, see I was totally wrong and erase the whole thing.

[iam90sbaby 2,150]

Prob a simple mix up. I do it all the time. Ill write out some longwinded rant then reread the op just in case, see I was totally wrong and erase the whole thing.

 

Yep that is exactly what I did. I thought he was saying Cincy is a legitimate contender and GB was not. My apologies.

[edjr 5,719]

 

Yep that is exactly what I did. I thought he was saying Cincy is a legitimate contender and GB was not. My apologies.

 

I knew once you said best QB in the NFL you couldn't mean cincy

[tanatastic 2,061]

 

Yep that is exactly what I did. I thought he was saying Cincy is a legitimate contender and GB was not. My apologies.

I actually still think cincy is a contender. By that I mean they could make it past rnd1. I dont see them as frauds.

[edjr 5,719]

I actually still think cincy is a contender. By that I mean they could make it past rnd1. I dont see them as frauds.

 

Marvin Lewis is just a terrible HC.

 

coaches scared and coaches to not lose and always loses.

 

I don't think he has changed.