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18 questions in 2018 about Russia and the FBI. The American people deserve answers...

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1) Did the FBI pay Christopher Steele, author of the dossier?

2) Was the dossier the basis for securing FISA warrants to spy on Americans? And why wont the FBI show Congress the FISA application?

3) When did the FBI get the complete dossier and who gave it to them?

 

Dossier author Christopher Steele?

Fusion GPS?

Clinton campaign/DNC?

Sen. McCains staffer?

4) Did the FBI validate and corroborate the dossier?

5) Did Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, or Bruce Orr work on the FISA application?

6) Why and how often did DOJ lawyer Bruce Orr meet with dossier author Christopher Steele during the 2016 campaign?

7) Why did DOJ lawyer Bruce Orr meet with Fusion GPS founder Glenn Simpson after the election? To get their story straight after their candidate Clinton lost? Or to double down and plan how they were going to go after President-elect Trump?

8) When and how did the FBI learn that DOJ lawyer Bruce Orrs wife, Nellie Orr, worked for Fusion GPS? And what exactly was Nellie Orrs role in putting together the dossier?

9) Why did the FBI release text messages between Peter Strzok and Lisa Page? Normally, ongoing investigation is reason not to make such information public.

10) And why did FBI release only 375/10,000+ texts? Were they the best? Worst? Or part of a broader strategy to focus attention away from something else? And when can Americans see the other 96% of texts?

11) Why did Lisa Page leave Mueller probe two weeks before Peter Strzok? This was two weeks before FBI and Special Counsel even knew about the texts.

12) Why did the intelligence community wait two months after the election to brief President-elect Trump on the dossier (January 6, 2017)? Why was James Comey selected to do the briefing?

13) Was the briefing done to legitimize the dossier? And who leaked the fact that the briefing was about the dossier?

14) The New York Times reported last week that George Popadopoulos loose lips were a catalyst for launching the Russia investigation. Was President-elect Trump briefed on this?

15) Why did Fusion GPS founder Glenn Simpson meet with Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya before and after her meeting with Donald Trump Jr.?

16) Why was FBI General Counsel Jim Baker reassigned two weeks ago? Was he the source for the first story on the dossier by David Corn on October 31, 2016? Or was it someone else at the FBI?

17) Why wont the FBI give Congress the documents its requesting?

18) And why would @SenSchumer, leader of the Democrat party, publicly warn President-elect Trump on Jan. 3, 2017 that when you mess with the intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you?

It doesnt work that way in America. We are not ruled by unelected bureaucrats, police forces, or intelligence agencies. In America, We The People ELECT officials who govern.

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I don't mind answering if you're interested. I already posted quite a bit further up.

 

Let say first off that I'm not sure why Jordan is on about this if the dossier plays no role in any further prosecutions, because it hasn't played a role yet.

 

I saw this interview with Jordan on CNN a while back.

 

CNN asked some questions

  • Why did Comey and the FBI never tell the public about the investigation into the Trump campaign? - Jordan has no answer. - @10:20.

     

  • Why did Comey come out and reopen the Hillary investigation on the eve of the election? - Jordan has no answer. - @10:30.

     

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I don't mind answering if you're interested. I already posted quite a bit further up.

 

Let say first off that I'm not sure why Jordan is on about this if the dossier plays no role in any further prosecutions, because it hasn't played a role yet.

 

I saw this interview with Jordan on CNN a while back.

 

CNN asked some questions

  • Why did Comey and the FBI never tell the public about the investigation into the Trump campaign? - Jordan has no answer. - @10:20.

  • Why did Comey come out and reopen the Hillary investigation on the eve of the election? - Jordan has no answer. - @10:30.

I'll take a stab at why Comey re-opened. He lost control of the investigation when the NYPD was in on the Weiner bust and he didn't know what they knew.

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I'll take a stab at why Comey re-opened. He lost control of the investigation when the NYPD was in on the Weiner bust and he didn't know what they knew.

a better question would be, after we know what we now know, how did he not press charges on anybody ?

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I don't mind answering if you're interested. I already posted quite a bit further up.

 

Let say first off that I'm not sure why Jordan is on about this if the dossier plays no role in any further prosecutions, because it hasn't played a role yet.

 

I saw this interview with Jordan on CNN a while back.

 

CNN asked some questions

  • Why did Comey and the FBI never tell the public about the investigation into the Trump campaign? - Jordan has no answer. - @10:20.

  • Why did Comey come out and reopen the Hillary investigation on the eve of the election? - Jordan has no answer. - @10:30.

There wouldn't have been FISA aarrants without the Dossier therefore Flynn and Pappadopolis wouldn't have been questioned by FBI. So yes, the Dossier has been used to threaten prosecuting people.

 

Why didn't Comey tell the public about investigating Trump? Because he couldn't admit the FBI was wiretapping the entire Trump campaign.

 

Why did Comey reopen the email investigation right before election? I've posted this before so write this down. The NY FBI field office had Weiner's laptop for 2+ weeks before telling Comey. He couldn't contain it at that point so he opened the investigation back up then declare still no prosecution despite there being more evidence of HRC guilt.

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a better question would be, after we know what we now know, how did he not press charges on anybody ?

He thought,and hoped she would win. It's sickeningly obvious. Arrogant, corrupt bastards.

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Funny how much boot licking Comey, Clapper and Brennan did early after Trump won. Once NSA Chief Mike Rogers let Trump know he was being spied on, they all knew their a$$es were finished.

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18 questions in 2018 about Russia and the FBI. The American people deserve answers...

Rep. Jim Jordan

@Jim_Jordan

1) Did the FBI pay Christopher Steele, author of the dossier?

 

- Supposedly they paid or offered to pay expenses, which basically means no profit, for someone with their own business who is paid for their effort that's practically working for for free, to validate certain claims. This was payment for future work - at cost - not past work or the dossier itself.

 

2) Was the dossier the basis for securing FISA warrants to spy on Americans? And why wont the FBI show Congress the FISA application?

 

- This has been reported several times. - Supposedly it was intelligence intercepts from Eastern Europe that our allies alerted us to. - For starters look at Paul Wood, BBC, January 2017.

 

3) When did the FBI get the complete dossier and who gave it to them?

Dossier author Christopher Steele?

Fusion GPS?

Clinton campaign/DNC?

Sen. McCains staffer?

 

- I'm pretty sure McCabe has testified to this, Supposedly Steele brought it to the FBI's attention after it seemed his report was being buried.

 

4) Did the FBI validate and corroborate the dossier?

 

- I think McCabe said they tried but did not or could not verify much of it.

 

5) Did Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, or Bruce Orr work on the FISA application?

 

- No idea on this one.

 

6) Why and how often did DOJ lawyer Bruce Orr meet with dossier author Christopher Steele during the 2016 campaign?

 

- I'd have to imagine this has been testified to, but I don't know.

 

7) Why did DOJ lawyer Bruce Orr meet with Fusion GPS founder Glenn Simpson after the election? To get their story straight after their candidate Clinton lost? Or to double down and plan how they were going to go after President-elect Trump?

 

- This seems really easy to me. Ex head of Russian desk at MI6 tells the FBI that he has uncovered alleged contacts between Russians agents and the Trump campaign. Of course someone from the FBI would meet to find out more about the claims and sources.

 

8) When and how did the FBI learn that DOJ lawyer Bruce Orrs wife, Nellie Orr, worked for Fusion GPS? And what exactly was Nellie Orrs role in putting together the dossier?

 

- I have no idea but this is a big 'who cares' to me. The FBI agent is married to someone with an intelligence background in Russian affairs? Are you seriously suggesting this is a bad idea?

 

9) Why did the FBI release text messages between Peter Strzok and Lisa Page? Normally, ongoing investigation is reason not to make such information public.

 

- Uhhh this is Jordan's committee, they demanded it from the DOJ IG, the same DOJ IG that initiated the Hillary investigation. I personally don't think the IG was right to hand them over but it sounds like he was compelled to. The texts were obtained pursuant to requests from Dems to validate if there was pro-GOP bias in the Hillary investigation.

 

10) And why did FBI release only 375/10,000+ texts? Were they the best? Worst? Or part of a broader strategy to focus attention away from something else? And when can Americans see the other 96% of texts?

 

- I also don't get this one. Supposedly Fox and maybe CBS and mayeb one other network got the whole cache, which seems exactly like the kind of invasion of privacy and due process that Trumpublicans have been claiming happened with them.

 

11) Why did Lisa Page leave Mueller probe two weeks before Peter Strzok? This was two weeks before FBI and Special Counsel even knew about the texts.

 

- No idea. But if it was related to the IG investigation it only speaks well of the Mueller team that they did not want even the appearance of impropriety if that's what happened.

 

12) Why did the intelligence community wait two months after the election to brief President-elect Trump on the dossier (January 6, 2017)? Why was James Comey selected to do the briefing?

 

- I think Trump was briefed a few times on supposed Russian attempts to penetrate the campaign. My understanding is that Trump got the briefing on the IC report the same time almost as Obama. - Jordan doesn't note this but the dossier did not form any basis of the report and was not referenced in the body. It was appended along with the rest of the kitchen sink of intelligence that typically accompanies such reports.

 

13) Was the briefing done to legitimize the dossier? And who leaked the fact that the briefing was about the dossier?

 

- Sounds to me like the IC was trying to tell Obama and Trump everything they know. Trump has the whole report right now and I don't think the dossier forms any basis of it... if that's the case why does Jordan keep acting differently?

 

14) The New York Times reported last week that George Popadopoulos loose lips were a catalyst for launching the Russia investigation. Was President-elect Trump briefed on this?

 

- IIRC the news reports were that yes he was briefed at least on the point that he was warned that Russians were trying to infiltrate his campaign.

 

15) Why did Fusion GPS founder Glenn Simpson meet with Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya before and after her meeting with Donald Trump Jr.?

 

- I'd say read this.

 

- Personally I'm not a fan of Fusion either. They worked to damage Bill Broward and kill the Magnitsky sanctions. They don't have to be good guys here under any circumstances. However Simpson testified for 13 hours and claimed that Steele had no knowledge of the client or the existence of the work for the Veselnitskaya client.

 

16) Why was FBI General Counsel Jim Baker reassigned two weeks ago? Was he the source for the first story on the dossier by David Corn on October 31, 2016? Or was it someone else at the FBI?

 

- Sounds like a DOJ decision.

 

- It's been established that Baker had no association with the Corn report. This is already known.

 

17) Why wont the FBI give Congress the documents its requesting?

 

- Dunno, I'd imagine this is why Rosenstein just met with Ryan, who is actually Nunes' boss.

 

18) And why would @SenSchumer, leader of the Democrat party, publicly warn President-elect Trump on Jan. 3, 2017 that when you mess with the intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you?

 

- Yeah I agree on this, people need to not politicize the FBI/DOJ going in either direction. Totally inappropriate conduct by Schumer there.

 

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Ok since I was asked I'll take a shot at this. This isn't an assertion of facts, it's just what I understand to be the case.

 

Anyway my thoughts are above.

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I'll take a stab at why Comey re-opened. He lost control of the investigation when the NYPD was in on the Weiner bust and he didn't know what they knew.

 

- I might buy that, and I agree that's possible - but that's an argument for anti-Clinton bias at FBI-NYC, not anti-Trump bias.

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There wouldn't have been FISA aarrants without the Dossier therefore Flynn and Pappadopolis wouldn't have been questioned by FBI. So yes, the Dossier has been used to threaten prosecuting people.

 

Why didn't Comey tell the public about investigating Trump? Because he couldn't admit the FBI was wiretapping the entire Trump campaign.

 

Why did Comey reopen the email investigation right before election? I've posted this before so write this down. The NY FBI field office had Weiner's laptop for 2+ weeks before telling Comey. He couldn't contain it at that point so he opened the investigation back up then declare still no prosecution despite there being more evidence of HRC guilt.

 

I don't know why you constantly do this. I enjoy the convos but I post news reports stating the Fisa warrants stemmed out of reports from allies and you blow it off.

 

Then there's the report about Papadopoulas where we are specifically told that the Australian Ambassador reported the Papa claims to the US IC, which has absolutely nothing to do with the dossier..... and yet you insist on bringing up .... the dossier.

 

- I'll give you points for answering the 2 questions - however, note that Jordan could not.

 

- Also that second point you mention there about the NYC field office of the FBI actually is an example of anti-Clinton bias by the FBI, not anti-Trump bias.

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The orange adolescent is going down

But his tax cuts and judges stay and all those illegals and refugees he didn't let in stay away. It's all good.

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My God, Trump is such a teen girl.

 

Regarding Bannon:

 

"Everybody HATES Bannon!"

 

 

Seriously, those of you with tween/teen girls, how many times have you heard something like that/"

 

"everybody hates you!:

 

"really? who?"

 

"Uh, EVERYbody!!!"

 

"Okay then..." LOL

 

"But what about the 33 times you said good things about Bannon?"

 

"FAKE NEWS!!!!"

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I don't know why you constantly do this. I enjoy the convos but I post news reports stating the Fisa warrants stemmed out of reports from allies and you blow it off.

 

Then there's the report about Papadopoulas where we are specifically told that the Australian Ambassador reported the Papa claims to the US IC, which has absolutely nothing to do with the dossier..... and yet you insist on bringing up .... the dossier.

 

- I'll give you points for answering the 2 questions - however, note that Jordan could not.

 

- Also that second point you mention there about the NYC field office of the FBI actually is an example of anti-Clinton bias by the FBI, not anti-Trump bias.

Why are the FBI/DOJ stonewalling Congress on whether or not the Dossier was used for the FISA Warrants? It's a simple yes or no answer for them yet they refuse to answer it or how the dossier was used by them. Senator Lindsey Graham confirmed it was used in that capacity.

 

And the FBI does not have an anti-Clinton bias about it. Hillary was guilty of numerous crimes that they overlooked or covered up. The New York office wanted to go forward with a criminal investigation against a criminal.

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Why are the FBI/DOJ stonewalling Congress on whether or not the Dossier was used for the FISA Warrants? It's a simple yes or no answer for them yet they refuse to answer it or how the dossier was used by them. Senator Lindsey Graham confirmed it was used in that capacity.

 

And the FBI does not have an anti-Clinton bias about it. Hillary was guilty of numerous crimes that they overlooked or covered up. The New York office wanted to go forward with a criminal investigation against a criminal.

My first guess it's a criminal investigation and the Feds are worried that Nunes will share evidence with people under investigation.

 

On your second point... see I'm happy to defend the FBI & Comey with what they did and how they handled her investigation. I'll defend that. But when you get into saying it's not bias when they spring a new notice of investigation on the eve of election and yet - at the same time - that they were trying to 'stop' Trump well that's just absurd. If they were trying to stop Trump they never would have done that.

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By the way since Trump is from NYC and that's where he was living wouldn't it have partly been the NYC field office which would have been investigating him?

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By the way since Trump is from NYC and that's where he was living wouldn't it have partly been the NYC field office which would have been investigating him?

Doesn't appear that way. I've read that HQ was handling this themselves.

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My first guess it's a criminal investigation and the Feds are worried that Nunes will share evidence with people under investigation.

 

On your second point... see I'm happy to defend the FBI & Comey with what they did and how they handled her investigation. I'll defend that. But when you get into saying it's not bias when they spring a new notice of investigation on the eve of election and yet - at the same time - that they were trying to 'stop' Trump well that's just absurd. If they were trying to stop Trump they never would have done that.

 

Alright man, I'm tapping out with you. We've reached a point where with all that is known about the corruption within the FBI (McCabe, Strzok, Comey, Lisa Page, etc....) as well as the DOJ (Ohr, Lynch, Holder) that if you're willing to defend all that no more needs to be said. Frankly I feel as if you're trolling with these responses.

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Alright man, I'm tapping out with you. We've reached a point where with all that is known about the corruption within the FBI (McCabe, Strzok, Comey, Lisa Page, etc....) as well as the DOJ (Ohr, Lynch, Holder) that if you're willing to defend all that no more needs to be said. Frankly I feel as if you're trolling with these responses.

Ok let's stay on good terms. I've talked too much here. Have a good one, thanks for the discussion. I'll check out.

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https://pjmedia.com/video/obama-dni-clapper-papadopoulos-not-name-radar-scope-left/

 

So Papadopoulos started the whole investigation, huh? Besides conflicting with stuff we already heard from FBI/DOJ, here's Clapper (DNI) saying Pappie wasn't even on his radar screen when he left office.

 

:doh:

 

What's the next angle the left tries as they try to redirect?

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https://pjmedia.com/video/obama-dni-clapper-papadopoulos-not-name-radar-scope-left/

 

So Papadopoulos started the whole investigation, huh? Besides conflicting with stuff we already heard from FBI/DOJ, here's Clapper (DNI) saying Pappie wasn't even on his radar screen when he left office.

 

:doh:

 

What's the next angle the left tries as they try to redirect?

Back to the puzzy grab. Russia is over. The Russia collusion farce is dumber than the birth certificate nonsense.

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For those of you playing the home game, every time Trump and his bafoon goons get caught up in their own lies, filthy and crew know they have no defense, so they revert to the "what about...." game.

 

It's not so much refuting as a piss poor attempt to misdirect.

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So, we're NEVER gonna know how those 3 to 5 MILLION illegal votes snuck into the system to give HRC the popular vote.

 

Remember all the fanfare and fallderall that Trump had when he announced he was forming a super special commission to 'find the truth' behind all this voter fraud?

 

Yeah, um, he just very quietly abandoned that commission entirely.

 

Good thing, because they were still busy 'finding the truth' about Obama's birth certificate - and we know how that ended up. LOL

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https://nypost.com/2017/09/11/bannon-dismisses-russia-probes-as-a-waste-of-time/

 

 

 

“There’s nothing to the Russia investigation. It’s a waste of time,” Bannon told CBS’s “60 Minutes” for Sunday’s episode. “Russian collusion is a farce.”

 

And here's Bannon himself calling the Russian investigation/collusion a farce.

 

Well wiff............you and a couple others bit on the Bannon and Pappi story the last couple days and they've both been shredded.

 

What's your next move? Trump touched your cooter?

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I swear, Trump's lawyers have got to be near a stroke right now.

 

Just in the last year hours:

 

1) Trump hires lawyers to sue Bannon for violating his NDA regarding his activities during the campaign.

a) Never mind that if they took this to court? Bannon gets to shiit all over them in open court / public record.

That's how these lawsuits work. Win-Win for Bannon.

 

2) THEN Trump fires off that Bannon had nothing to do with getting Trump elected and was only a 'staffer' AFTER Trump got elected.

a) Problem there? The NDA specifically is only limited to the activities during the campaign process.

B) Also - The author of the article citing Bannon and the rest of the staff? Was given access directly from Trump.

 

Soo.... The NDA protects Trump against - a time when Bannon (according to Trump) wasn't even around. Which means, Bannon's comments are completely unrestricted. - AND

In short, there's absolutely zero benefit to ANY direction Trump might take above.

AND, his poor attorneys literally couldn't find the lawsuit fast enough - before Trump obviated the already pointless - and self-destructive NDA lawsuit.

 

Wow.

 

Is it safe to say that THE single safest space in the world is to be the target of a threatened Trump lawsuit? Remember how he vowed to sue all them \wimmens? Yeah, ZERO.

 

 

But but Hillary filed a lawsuit once!!!!!! LOL

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https://nypost.com/2017/09/11/bannon-dismisses-russia-probes-as-a-waste-of-time/

 

 

 

 

And here's Bannon himself calling the Russian investigation/collusion a farce.

 

Well wiff............you and a couple others bit on the Bannon and Pappi story the last couple days and they've both been shredded.

 

What's your next move? Trump touched your cooter?

 

You're just furiously watching Hannity waiting for talking points? LOL.

 

Collusion - in and of itself - as has been said about eleventethousand times - isn't a crime. There's a REASON why Bannon went out of his way to say that the meeting was ALL ABOUT MONEY LAUNDERING.

 

Meanwhile, Trump just this weekend said in one interview alone - THERE WAS NO COLLUSION! - To no one in particular - TWELVE TIMES! . Trump's too dumb to even figure out what crimes to deny and lie about. :doublethumbsup:

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You're just furiously watching Hannity waiting for talking points? LOL.

 

Collusion - in and of itself - as has been said about eleventethousand times - isn't a crime. There's a REASON why Bannon went out of his way to say that the meeting was ALL ABOUT MONEY LAUNDERING.

 

Meanwhile, Trump just this weekend said in one interview alone - THERE WAS NO COLLUSION! - To no one in particular - TWELVE TIMES! . Trump's too dumb to even figure out what crimes to deny and lie about. :doublethumbsup:

So Trump was laundering money?

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Oh, and just bc I can ony read so much stupid so many times -

 

The DOJ has no compunction to give the GOP or Trump's cronies a 'tick toc' on every development in the case.

We KNOW why the investigaton didn't say much about the dossier being the basis for the investigation now.

 

Fock, the AUSIES THEMSELVES knew enough to call the FBI when Popadorkalous started bragging about the Russians having dirt of Clinton that they were going to share with the Trumpsters.

 

Fock, by your line of reasoning, Meuller should report each single card as he draws a natural straight. :clap:

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Here's probably my favorite part of that whole Aussie story.

 

 

Trumps kids can't make a doody without telling Daddy about it.

Daddy is a notorious control freak.

Trump's kid goes out of his way to VOLUNTEER to a foreign ally that he's got a super secret deal with the Russians.

 

...But Trump had absolutely no idea what was going on with this son...

 

But was actively complicit in lying about the meeeting - saying it was about 'adoptions'.

- Until Trump's kid releases the email streams completely refuting THAT lie too.

 

:doh:

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NOW REMEMBER: ALL OF THIS IS COMING FROM STEVE BANNON - TRUMP'S BESTIE - AND CHIEF STRATEGIST.

SO MUCH FOR BLAMING 'FAKE NEWS' OR THAT PESKY 'LIBRUHL MEDIA'.

 

On the Russia investigation.

 

"They're going to crack Don Junior like an egg on national TV."

 

On the Trump Tower meeting:

 

"The three senior guys in the campaign thought it was a good idea to meet with a foreign government inside Trump Tower in the conference room on the 25th floor — with no lawyers. They didn't have any lawyers. Even if you thought that this was not treasonous, or unpatriotic, or bad s--t, and I happen to think it's all of that, you should have called the FBI immediately."

 

 

On where Special Counsel Robert Mueller's investigation is headed:

 

"This is all about money laundering. Mueller chose [senior prosecutor Andrew] Weissmann first and he is a money-laundering guy. Their path to f--king Trump goes right through Paul Manafort, Don Jr., and Jared Kushner ... It's as plain as a hair on your face."

 

On how they're going to get there:

 

“It goes through Deutsche Bank and all the Kushner s--t. The Kushner s--t is greasy. They're going to go right through that. They're going to roll those two guys up and say play me or trade me.”

 

 

On the Trump team's chances to escape Mueller's probe: "They're sitting on a beach trying to stop a Category Five."

 

 

________________________________

 

Note: I don't even like Bannon, but he already sounds like the smartest guy in the room.

Then again, it's not that hard. We're talking about 'The Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight.'

They make Nixon's crew of nitwits look like Lex Luther.

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wiff resigned to: "I can't refute so I must pollute" defense.

 

Has he said word one about Ohrs meeting/working for Fusion GPS, Strzok text messages concerning insurance policy against Trump, FBI/DOJ refusing to hand over material on how Dossier was used, etc?

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So, after 56 pages of discussion...

 

Can somebody please tell me what law Trump has broken?

 

I realize it's stupid of me to even attempt to respond, but sometimes I need to reaffirm my instincts, as it benefits me long term.

 

There is an investigation that could last years and they aren't leaking much info to the public. Whether they have so far determined he broke zero laws or if they have so far determined he has broken a dozen laws, how would any of us be expected to have acquired that information given the previous sentence?

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