Which rb would be ranked 4 after the top 3 are gone? Gordon? Mccoy? Freeman?

[Super Cubs 154]

Rotoworld has Gurley getting more involved in the passing game.

[weepaws 3,193]

With the news about Dunbar being out.

 

That made me raise up Gurley on my ppr rankings.

 

I can easily see him as a low rb1.

 

I think expect for the first two games of the season Howard was the leading rusher in terms of number of rushes.

 

So if he does indeed lose one yard per carry and it drops from an amazing 5.2 to more of a 4.3 lets just say I don't see his number going up.

 

I don't see him scoring more then the 7 total tds he scored last season.

 

So his rushing yard total will drop and so will his ff numbers, I would think so.

 

Now I do like the fact that he was targeted 50 times last season so I'm ppr I still like him as a rb1.

[TBayXXXVII 2,545]

LOL @ RB3. There are at least 24 RBs ahead of him?

 

There doesn't have to be 24... just 2 that I can get that I like more. As I said, I don't think he's really all that good. For example, I would take both Crowell and Hyde over him where I think most others will not. Gurley is one of the most over rated RB's I can think of in recent history.

[Maulers1973 117]

 

There doesn't have to be 24... just 2 that I can get that I like more. As I said, I don't think he's really all that good. For example, I would take both Crowell and Hyde over him where I think most others will not. Gurley is one of the most over rated RB's I can think of in recent history.

 

You're being a little off the cuff here. There have been reports that Hyde could possibly get cut. There have been no such reports for Gurley. Plus, in terms of FF, when you say a RB3 that does indeed imply that you believe 24 other RB are better than him. Unless you're in a 8 team league with a bunch of morons.

 

I like Crowell a lot this year, and I think he's going to have a big season. I still wouldn't take him over Gurley. Makes me wonder if you had Gurley last year and can't shake loose the sting of that bad season.

[tanatastic 2,062]

Weeps, please stop saying "forth", it's triggering me. It's fourth.

 

I am still torn on RB rankings as it seems we all get it wrong every year, but that's FF and RBs for ya. I would lean McCoy or Freeman as safe bets but have no problem with Gordon. I also think Dallas magic season comes back to earth. We rarely see Cinderella at back to back balls, ya dig.

 

Also I agree there's just no value in chasing stats for guys who broke out with early picks. I'm picking a wr over an RB who broke out after not looking great his rookie year (Gordon).

[Bier Meister 1,710]

Also I agree there's just no value in chasing stats for guys who broke out with early picks. I'm picking a wr over an RB who broke out after not looking great his rookie year (Gordon).

 

always need to be cautious with players who come off of a career high seasons.

 

to the bold- for me it completely depends on my draft position and my risk management.

 

ie: this year if i have the 7th pick and both mccoy and gordon are there, i would likely grab mccoy and then best wr in the 2nd (looking like dez, cooper, hilton, gronk could all be options)

 

if i have the 8th pick and assume mccoy is gone, the choice is gordon vs evans/green. good chance i go with the wr and grab best rb in the 2nd (not as many options- gurley, maybe howard, maybe gronk or kelce).

 

i do not love those backs as my number 1 but the wr should help balance it out.

[TBayXXXVII 2,545]

 

You're being a little off the cuff here. There have been reports that Hyde could possibly get cut. There have been no such reports for Gurley. Plus, in terms of FF, when you say a RB3 that does indeed imply that you believe 24 other RB are better than him. Unless you're in a 8 team league with a bunch of morons.

 

I like Crowell a lot this year, and I think he's going to have a big season. I still wouldn't take him over Gurley. Makes me wonder if you had Gurley last year and can't shake loose the sting of that bad season.

 

I don't buy for one second that Hyde would get cut. Even if he did, I bet there would be teams like Detroit, Seattle, Green Bay, New England, and a few others who would scoop him up in a second. Heck, last year it could be argued that Hyde had a worse situation in SF than Gurley did with the Rams, yet he managed to get over 100 yards closer to a 1,000 yard season and managed 2 games with 100 yards... which happens to be 2 more than Gurley. Also, if it weren't for the fact that he had 4 huge games to start his career, no one would even be talking about him as an RB2. Those 4 games were 24 games ago. Since then, he has only one 100 yard game to his credit. In other words, he was figured out.

 

Yeah, you're right, I only came up with 19, not 24... but that's because I didn't include rookies other than Fournette since they're not the prime ball carriers. I would be over 24 if I were talking about a keeper league though.

 

I actually never had Gurley in any league. I never saw what anyone else saw in him coming out of college. He looked like a guy who maxed out his potential in college. Never had him, never wanted him. I assure you, I'm not saying that I know more than the pundits/experts/scouts. I just think in Gurley's case, they got it wrong and I got it right. It rarely happens that way, but it does happen. I believe this is one of them.

 

Here's an example of what I see. This is a YouTube clip that a "Todd Gurley fan" put together. This is the "best" that Todd Gurley has to offer.

 

 

This video was put together in January... this past January. In 7 minutes of footage, all of it comes from just 6 games in his 25 game career. Even his best show's one constant... zero burst. He has no speed at all to out run anyone. Here's a draft profile. What are the first 4 things?

http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2015tgurley.php

Explosive - WRONG

Very fast; can break off long touchdown runs - WRONG

Threat to score on any carry - WRONG

Rare acceleration - WRONG

Simply, he's a perfectly good and capable third down back, not an every down back. In the grand scheme of things, he's a bust based on where he was drafted, but he is an NFL back... just not as good as what most expected. As a primary ball carrier, he's below average. As a third down/short yardage back, he's above average. You don't get many 3rd down backs in fantasy that are RB2's.

 

[weepaws 3,193]

He might just be a rb1.

[TBayXXXVII 2,545]

He might just be a rb1.

 

Not on any of my draft boards. Gurley is someone who has to prove me wrong before I believe in him. I generally give players the benefit of the doubt based on the words of a scout/expert/what have you, as they know better than me. But when I saw Gurley play (in college), and I didn't see what they saw, I had to go against the grain.

[weepaws 3,193]

I thought he was very good in college.

 

I like Hyde I can understand you liking him.

 

But there is just to much questions about what the Niners are going to do with him to make him worthy of a pick higher then Gurley.

 

Ps Sorry its Fourth.

[Brutal Brutus 182]

Gurley doesn't have the same confidence and swagger he had in college. Maybe it was blowing out his ACL, or maybe it's playing for the Rams, but something's different about his game.

[tanatastic 2,062]

Watch Fournette and DCook both be top 7 RBs. Young guys like this always lead people to the playoffs. Getting them at value is the tricky part.

[weepaws 3,193]

I like both Fournette who I think is a rb1.

 

And I like D Cook in ppr I have him ranked as a rb2.

 

I think that poor oline last season with the Rams was a big part of his problem.

 

Hard to start running down hill when you can't get to the top of the hill.

 

In college you can work with a poor Oline more then you can in the NFL.

 

Poor Oline play in the NFL is much more expose.

[weepaws 3,193]

What's the feeling about two other Rbs.

 

Blount with the Eagles in ppr?

 

And Lynch with the Raiders in ppr?

[weepaws 3,193]

Right now I have Hyde as a rb4.

 

Now that's darn low and I think that's too low.

 

But I can't trust anything that the Niners are saying.

 

I think it's going to be a three way RBBC and on the Falcons scoring machine offence last season that works.

 

With the Niners who have QB problems wr problems and te problems and their Defence is going to have a hard time stopping most teams they play. It's hard to target any players they play with the Niners.

[Bier Meister 1,710]

blount helped me a bit last year, but i do not love the situation in philly. he will get the goal line love but hard to know how the distribution goes.

 

lynch- i also see he getting plunges, but do not know how game shape he is in. he should get decent opportunity.... but just guessing that he is slow for a while (4-5 games). could result in injury-> thinks he can power his way through players, gets held up and takes hits from multiple defenders. i like the guy and hope he can play, but i see him as high risk.

[Ray_T 753]

Gurley doesn't have the same confidence and swagger he had in college. Maybe it was blowing out his ACL, or maybe it's playing for the Rams, but something's different about his game.

I think he got sick of the line opening no holes and getting hit in the backfield repeatedly.

 

a bad line can make even a very good running back look subpar.

[weepaws 3,193]

Thanks Bier for the reply.

 

I see them both as low rb2 in ppr.

[tanatastic 2,062]

For Blount I'm avoiding. I try to draft the situation and team first and the guy second. Players on new teams have completely different outlooks to me than before. Especially patriots.

[delchay 6]

I disagree. too many questions on that O line. 2 (possibly 3) new faces. It will take a half season for them to come together and work as a team.

 

I agree Gordon will be better, but not THAT much better and most of the improvement will be seen in the second half of the season.

 

I'm betting on Shady Mccoy as my #4 Ranked RB behind David Johnson, Bell, and Zeke.

 

 

Zeke will be hard to predict. Let's break it down. He should miss at least one game, two at the most for suspension. The Cowboys line will not be as good as it was the last two years. They lost some key players. Plus, the Cowboys play some tough run stopping teams this year. They have a brutal schedule. They start out with the Giants, Denver, Cardinals, and Rams in their first 4 games. UGLY for the run. However, they might have to use ZEKE more of a pass catching back this year to open up their running attack. I like him better in PPR leagues than in standard leagues this year because of this.....

[weepaws 3,193]

Ouch tough blow to my Gordon prodiction.

 

They lost their Oline draft pick Lamp for the season.

 

Now this is going to be an interesting situation for me.

 

Back to the drawing board.

[Kent 228]

Watch Fournette and DCook both be top 7 RBs. Young guys like this always lead people to the playoffs. Getting them at value is the tricky part.

They both went to garbage teams. I won't draft either. Rookies who go to teams with good lines are the safe bets. The Vikes have the worst run Line ever and the Jags suck too. Those two will suck right along with them.

 

Nether are Barry Sanders who was Line proof.

[weepaws 3,193]

Really in a ppr I think Cook is going to have a very good season.

 

And Fournette is going to be a very good rb1.

 

I'm praying to have a shot at one of them in ppr.

 

Of all the rookie Rbs , I have them ranked one and two going into this season in ppr.

[Kent 228]

Really in a ppr I think Cook is going to have a very good season.

 

And Fournette is going to be a very good rb1.

 

I'm praying to have a shot at one of them in ppr.

 

Of all the rookie Rbs , I have them ranked one and two going into this season in ppr.

I don't understand the Fournette love from anyone.

First he's a Jag. They thought Yeldon was gonna be a star. How'd that work out?

Second, he's a bruiser with an injury history.

Third and most important he's a Jag.

Lastly, he got drafted by the Jaguars. So he plays for the Jags.

[weepaws 3,193]

LOL great points.

[stonewall 647]

I don't understand the Fournette love from anyone.

 

 

Same.

 

In fact. I am going out on a limb and predicting that Joe Williams will outproduce Fournette in fantasy numbers over the 2nd half of season.

[Maulers1973 117]

They both went to garbage teams. I won't draft either. Rookies who go to teams with good lines are the safe bets. The Vikes have the worst run Line ever and the Jags suck too. Those two will suck right along with them.

 

Nether are Barry Sanders who was Line proof.

 

I actually agree with you on this one. I've never thought Fournette was a game changer at the college level. He was just a big, fast power back that was surrounded by talent. Cook is talented, but in a bad situation.

 

I saw the Chargers lost that G for the season. They have the worst luck with injuries! I might have to move Shady into the 4 spot.

 

 

For Tbay, I have Hyde ranked 33rd on my RB list. Joe Williams is 25th. I'd maybe have a bit more faith in Hyde if he could stay healthy.

[Ray_T 753]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000824930/article/chargers-rookie-ol-forrest-lamp-suffers-torn-acl

 

This may hinder Gordon for this year. one of the O linemen is out for the year.... already.

[TBayXXXVII 2,545]

For Blount I'm avoiding. I try to draft the situation and team first and the guy second. Players on new teams have completely different outlooks to me than before. Especially patriots.

 

I'm fine with Blount. I think Pederson will run an offensive that would serve Blount well, plus the Eagles have a solid OLine. I obviously don't expect 18 TD's, but I'd certainly take him as a mid-RB2.

[TBayXXXVII 2,545]

 

I actually agree with you on this one. I've never thought Fournette was a game changer at the college level. He was just a big, fast power back that was surrounded by talent. Cook is talented, but in a bad situation.

 

I saw the Chargers lost that G for the season. They have the worst luck with injuries! I might have to move Shady into the 4 spot.

 

 

For Tbay, I have Hyde ranked 33rd on my RB list. Joe Williams is 25th. I'd maybe have a bit more faith in Hyde if he could stay healthy.

 

Last year Hyde played 13 games on a team worse than the Rams... and his final output was virtually the same as Gurley's. Injuries are an issue that I will not disagree with you on, but I'd rather put my faith in him than Gurley. I don't see nor understand the love for Joe Williams. While he's more likely to steal a credit card or pout and quit on his team than get hurt, Hyde is a much safer bet.

[Kent 228]

Sadly, I don't know anything about Joe Williams. Any insights? I need to do some research.

[TBayXXXVII 2,545]

Sadly, I don't know anything about Joe Williams. Any insights? I need to do some research.

 

From what I heard, John Lynch didn't want him and didn't have him on his draft board. Shanahan apparently thinks he could be another Tevan Coleman.

[weepaws 3,193]

I think D Cook is in a very good spot.

 

He's going to be the main focus in the run game, and he should receive pleanty of targets.

[Brutal Brutus 182]

I think D Cook is in a very good spot.

 

He's going to be the main focus in the run game, and he should receive pleanty of targets.

But that line is so bad. Sometimes opportunity is all a back needs, and his price isn't real high so I understand the optimism, but that line is so bad.

This is a year where I'm probably staying away from the rookie RB's. All seem to be over valued at this point. Preseason could change my mind. If Mixon gets the majority of first team snaps, Fournette appears to be the prodigy he was labeled coming out high school, the Vikings O-line looks serviceable,or if it looks as if the Panthers know how to use McCaffery. At this point, I think there's a Zeke effect on the rookies values. Zeke was a combination of top running back in the draft landing in an incredible situation. The same can't be said for this year.

[Ray_T 753]

But that line is so bad. Sometimes opportunity is all a back needs, and his price isn't real high so I understand the optimism, but that line is so bad.

This is a year where I'm probably staying away from the rookie RB's. All seem to be over valued at this point. Preseason could change my mind. If Mixon gets the majority of first team snaps, Fournette appears to be the prodigy he was labeled coming out high school, the Vikings O-line looks serviceable,or if it looks as if the Panthers know how to use McCaffery. At this point, I think there's a Zeke effect on the rookies values. Zeke was a combination of top running back in the draft landing in an incredible situation. The same can't be said for this year.

clearly not.

 

I think any of the top 5 backs in this draft would also have put up very good numbers in Dallas.

 

That line was dynamite.

 

I'm guessing it wont be nearly as dominant this year. We will find out what Zeke is made of this year.

[weepaws 3,193]

Zeke was an instant rb1.

 

I had him ranked number one going into my drafts at the Rb spot.

 

I know there are question marks with the Vikings Oline.

 

But they have sign some new players so hard to say what they will be like.

 

But I like him a lot because on the ppr leagues I'm in.

 

I think he could out target Mccaffery this season.

[TBayXXXVII 2,545]

Rewind to November 1, 2015... I had Elliott ranked as my #2 RB in the up coming 2016 fantasy season. The NFL draft meant nothing, it didn't change my rankings last year and I didn't change them this year. I never felt that way about any of these backs. They'll need to prove themselves to me.

[Ray_T 753]

Rewind to November 1, 2015... I had Elliott ranked as my #2 RB in the up coming 2016 fantasy season. The NFL draft meant nothing, it didn't change my rankings last year and I didn't change them this year. I never felt that way about any of these backs. They'll need to prove themselves to me.

I think I had him ranked #3 going into last year (behind bell and David Johnson)

 

but I also knew he was running behind a beast of a line. He looked great in pre season and I had no doubt he would deliver.

[Maulers1973 117]

Call me crazy, but I'm considering AP in the 4 spot. It's between McCoy and AP for me at this point.

[Squintz82 45]

Call me crazy, but I'm considering AP in the 4 spot. It's between McCoy and AP for me at this point.

I'll call you crazy. Explain why.