edjr 5,567 Posted October 18, 2017 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkFJvHepN2g Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IMMensaMind 459 Posted October 18, 2017 Meh. They're battling over two different brands (pun intended) which offer the same flavor. Both sides are decrying that voters should be able to vote for things which involve taking money out of the pockets of other people. Trump's voters support putting that money back, regardless of the imperfection of the POTUS himself; regardless the institutional establishment of entitlements which is going to take revolution to truly reverse. This is about collectivism/redistributionism versus rebuilding individualism. In the same sense, it is about retaining US sovereignty - individualism - versus globalist 'redistributionism'. There is no real opposition. Brand is clearly hyper intelligent; by far the most intelligent person on that panel. But that panel was all speaking the same collectivist language. It, though, turns on itself...just as Hillary's entrenched political interests manifested themselves within the DNC to railroad Bernie out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 5,206 Posted October 18, 2017 I enjoy Maher, but I'm fascinated by his belief that Hillary beat Sanders fair and square. Is he unaware of the superdelegate process which rammed Hillary down our throats? Brand seems to be saying "stop with this 'if only Hillary were president' crap, she is a shill as well, give us some real candidates." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 3,315 Posted October 18, 2017 I enjoy Maher, but I'm fascinated by his belief that Hillary beat Sanders fair and square. Is he unaware of the superdelegate process which rammed Hillary down our throats? Brand seems to be saying "stop with this 'if only Hillary were president' crap, she is a shill as well, give us some real candidates." I sure wish Sanders had won, but is there something I'm missing? IIRC Hillary had an edge on the elected delegates so super delegates didn't end up deciding it -- thankfully. The reason she won the primary was the black vote, especially in the south. Now the DNC certainly didn't help and they can go fock themselves. But again it does not seem that was the determining factor. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vikings4ever 496 Posted October 18, 2017 I sure wish Sanders had won, but is there something I'm missing? IIRC Hillary had an edge on the elected delegates so super delegates didn't end up deciding it -- thankfully. The reason she won the primary was the black vote, especially in the south. Now the DNC certainly didn't help and they can go fock themselves. But again it does not seem that was the determining factor. You could argue the superdelegate advantage disenfranchised Bernie voters enough or the DNC's actively supporting Hillary was enough to put her over the top. But the RNC was also supporting anyone but Trump, and that wasn't enough to bury him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 3,315 Posted October 18, 2017 You could argue the superdelegate advantage disenfranchised Bernie voters enough or the DNC's actively supporting Hillary was enough to put her over the top. But the RNC was also supporting anyone but Trump, and that wasn't enough to bury him. I guess you could argue but it isn't very compelling. And I'd be the first one b1tching if it was some inside job, especially considering what an awful focking candidate Hillary was. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,590 Posted October 18, 2017 Thank god it's not sanders Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mobb_deep 917 Posted October 18, 2017 Thank god it's not sanders America doesn't deserve a president that actually believes and does what he says. A guy that actually wants to restore the middle class. We deserve a bunch of rich a-holes pitting us against one another, while they steal our money and hand it over to whatever special interests are running the show behind the curtain. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 5,567 Posted October 18, 2017 America doesn't deserve a president that actually believes and does what he says. A guy that actually wants to restore the middle class. We deserve a bunch of rich a-holes pitting us against one another, while they steal our money and hand it over to whatever special interests are running the show behind the curtain. stop Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted October 18, 2017 America doesn't deserve a president that actually believes and does what he says. A guy that actually wants to restore the middle class. We deserve a bunch of rich a-holes pitting us against one another, while they steal our money and hand it over to whatever special interests are running the show behind the curtain. he's filthy rich HtH Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,645 Posted October 18, 2017 Russell Brand is in direct competition with Tom Green for the Most Unfunny FotherMocker ever. I mean, I get that humor is subjective, but with these two? Geesus, all humor at least has some kind of baseline where you can go "Well, I don't find that funny, but I see what's he's doing there." These two just suck, but I give extra shiit points to Brand for being even more annoying. And Frankly - At this point, I would vote for a Travel Ban that Excludes any focking Limey (Scot, Canadian, Australian too - Anything under the British Thumb) from coming over here - biitching about how focked up we are - and then instantly applying for citizenship because their countries are such raging bags of shiit. (or, shiite) Fock him. Fock them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IMMensaMind 459 Posted October 18, 2017 You could argue the superdelegate advantage disenfranchised Bernie voters enough or the DNC's actively supporting Hillary was enough to put her over the top. But the RNC was also supporting anyone but Trump, and that wasn't enough to bury him. Since major elements of the RNC were the target of Trump - and his supporters, by direct extension - it very likely helped Trump to have GOP voters perceive that the RNC wanted anyone but. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IMMensaMind 459 Posted October 18, 2017 America doesn't deserve a president that actually believes and does what he says. A guy that actually wants to restore the middle class. We deserve a bunch of rich a-holes pitting us against one another, while they steal our money and hand it over to whatever special interests are running the show behind the curtain. Bernie believes what he says, you say? Is that why he's got three houses now, and a wife under investigation for corruption? Because he believes what he says? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,590 Posted October 18, 2017 America doesn't deserve a president that actually believes and does what he says. A guy that actually wants to restore the middle class. We deserve a bunch of rich a-holes pitting us against one another, while they steal our money and hand it over to whatever special interests are running the show behind the curtain. can't tell if serious Bernie doesn't want to restore the middle class, he wants socialism and government controlled business, he thinks college is a human right and should be free gimme a break Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mobb_deep 917 Posted October 18, 2017 stop blow me. you never know. you might like something other than fat chicks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reality 2,710 Posted October 18, 2017 America doesn't deserve a president that actually believes and does what he says. A guy that actually wants to restore the middle class. We deserve a bunch of rich a-holes pitting us against one another, while they steal our money and hand it over to whatever special interests are running the show behind the curtain. :lol: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 3,315 Posted October 19, 2017 Bernie believes what he says, you say? Is that why he's got three houses now, and a wife under investigation for corruption? Because he believes what he says? Political hit job to discredit him, most likely. I don't think most people are buying it but they'll trot it back out in 2020 if he runs again Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mungwater 588 Posted October 19, 2017 Political hit job to discredit him, most likely. I don't think most people are buying it but they'll trot it back out in 2020 if he runs again How old would he be? Just googled, he'll be 80, no way he runs again Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 3,315 Posted October 19, 2017 How old would he be? Just googled, he'll be 80, no way he runs again Seems unlikely, but he's acting like he might run again, keeping his name and face out there and all. I suspect he just wants to have a say in who the nominee is (via endorsement and donor lists) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mungwater 588 Posted October 19, 2017 Seems unlikely, but he's acting like he might run again, keeping his name and face out there and all. I suspect he just wants to have a say in who the nominee is (via endorsement and donor lists) That makes sense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites