I find it hard to not see trans as mental illness...

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Unlike @The Real timschochet, as much as possible I support my assertions with data.  To his proclamation that there is broad consensus in the scientific community, the experts as opposed to us "laymen", here is proof that is not the case:

https://www.thecollegefix.com/leading-scientists-spar-about-trump-order-stating-sex-is-binary/

https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2025/02/13/a-group-letter-to-the-presidents-of-three-evolution-ecology-societies-objecting-to-their-characterization-of-sex-as-a-spectrum-in-humans-and-all-other-species/

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22 minutes ago, Strike said:

Unlike @The Real timschochet, as much as possible I support my assertions with data.  To his proclamation that there is broad consensus in the scientific community, the experts as opposed to us "laymen", here is proof that is not the case:

https://www.thecollegefix.com/leading-scientists-spar-about-trump-order-stating-sex-is-binary/

https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2025/02/13/a-group-letter-to-the-presidents-of-three-evolution-ecology-societies-objecting-to-their-characterization-of-sex-as-a-spectrum-in-humans-and-all-other-species/

There are always wackos looking for attention. Like the climate change skeptics, the vaccine skeptics, the Holocaust deniers. All of these groups deserve the same amount of respect (which is none.) 

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9 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

There are always wackos looking for attention. Like the climate change skeptics, the vaccine skeptics, the Holocaust deniers. All of these groups deserve the same amount of respect (which is none.) 

what a deranged lunatic. You put a holocaust denier on the same level as people questioning certain vaccines and questioning the climate religion/grift?

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24 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

There are always wackos looking for attention. Like the climate change skeptics, the vaccine skeptics, the Holocaust deniers. All of these groups deserve the same amount of respect (which is none.) 

Idiotic.  I bet you didn't even read the links.  Calling a group of well respected scientists in the field of biology wackos just makes you look stupid, especially after you conceded that you are woefully unqualified to comment on biology or scientific matters.  Linked in one of the articles I already linked to is the following, which was a fascinating if very long read:

https://richarddawkins.substack.com/p/is-the-male-female-divide-a-social

Many of us have been arguing that sex is defined by chromosomes but the article above very clearly explains why that is not so and what biologists UNIVERSALLY do use to determine sex, across ALL species.   Here is a link to a University textbook supporting this definition of sex:

https://open.lib.umn.edu/evolutionbiology/chapter/7-4-sex-its-about-the-gametes-2/

 

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1 minute ago, Strike said:

Idiotic.  I bet you didn't even read the links.  Calling a group of well respected scientists in the field of biology wackos just makes you look stupid, especially after you conceded that you are woefully unqualified to comment on biology or scientific matters.  Linked in one of the articles I already linked to is the following, which was a fascinating if very long read:

https://richarddawkins.substack.com/p/is-the-male-female-divide-a-social

Many of us have been arguing that sex is defined by chromosomes but the article above very clearly explains why that is not so and what biologists UNIVERSALLY do use to determine sex, across ALL species.   Here is a link to a University textbook supporting this definition of sex:

https://open.lib.umn.edu/evolutionbiology/chapter/7-4-sex-its-about-the-gametes-2/

 

Here’s what I think: you WANT to believe that trans is a disease because it fits your world view and bigoted ideology. So you pick and choose and find a few scientists that agree with you and ignore the views of the vast majority of highly respected scientists. And yes you do the same thing with climate change, with vaccines, and with the news media in general.

This is why it’s almost impossible for reasonable people to have conversations with folks like @Strike. They have created, in recent years, their own facts and their own reality. Nicolle Wallace on MSNBC has a word for this: Earth 2. That’s where you live. 

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1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Here’s what I think: you WANT to believe that trans is a disease because it fits your world view and bigoted ideology. So you pick and choose and find a few scientists that agree with you and ignore the views of the vast majority of highly respected scientists. And yes you do the same thing with climate change, with vaccines, and with the news media in general.

This is why it’s almost impossible for reasonable people to have conversations with folks like @Strike. They have created, in recent years, their own facts and their own reality. Nicolle Wallace on MSNBC has a word for this: Earth 2. That’s where you live. 

Sorry, but your "vast majority" fallacy is just that: a fallacy.  You have absolutely no idea so you're just wish-casting again, as usual.  

You're on the wrong side of history again, Tim.  Seems like this is a pattern for you.  You pro-trans knuckleheads are the new Flat Earthers.  Enjoy your label.  You've earned it. 

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Just now, The Real timschochet said:

Here’s what I think: you WANT to believe that trans is a disease because it fits your world view and bigoted ideology. So you pick and choose and find a few scientists that agree with you and ignore the views of the vast majority of highly respected scientists. And yes you do the same thing with climate change, with vaccines, and with the news media in general.

This is why it’s almost impossible for reasonable people to have conversations with folks like @Strike. They have created, in recent years, their own facts and their own reality. Nicolle Wallace on MSNBC has a word for this: Earth 2. That’s where you live. 

 

You're wrong as usual.   First of all, I didn't "find" anything.  Secondly, it's not just a few.  Thirdly, these are highly respected scientists who used to have high level positions in the organizations that you cite.  They just happened to have the ethics to step down from their posts when the organizations stopped following scientific protocols and ethics.  Calling them wackos makes you look like a retard.  Fourth, how about responding to the data and arguments being made by RESPECTED SCIENTISTS instead of repeating talking points?  Lastly,  you didn't answer my question. Did you even read the articles?

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4 minutes ago, Strike said:

 

You're wrong as usual.   First of all, I didn't "find" anything.  Secondly, it's not just a few.  Thirdly, these are highly respected scientists who used to have high level positions in the organizations that you cite.  They just happened to have the ethics to step down from their posts when the organizations stopped following scientific protocols and ethics.  Calling them wackos makes you look like a retard.  Fourth, how about responding to the data and arguments being made by RESPECTED SCIENTISTS instead of repeating talking points?  Lastly,  you didn't answer my question. Did you even read the articles?

No and I won’t. It’s like asking me to read the opinion of a nuclear physicist who thinks Einstein is full of sh!t and the Theory of Relativity is total crap. I don’t read pseudo science. 
 

When the American Psychiatric Association, the American Medical Association, the CDC, the World Health Organization tell me that trans is a mental disease, then I’ll believe it. Not before. Until that happens I will ignore all your “evidence” because I know it’s BS. 

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16 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Here’s what I think: you WANT to believe that trans is a disease because it fits your world view and bigoted ideology. So you pick and choose and find a few scientists that agree with you and ignore the views of the vast majority of highly respected scientists. And yes you do the same thing with climate change, with vaccines, and with the news media in general.

This is why it’s almost impossible for reasonable people to have conversations with folks like @Strike. They have created, in recent years, their own facts and their own reality. Nicolle Wallace on MSNBC has a word for this: Earth 2. That’s where you live. 

You must work at being stupid. Like a full 40 hour week of just filling your brain with the dumbest things ever. I am soooo happy that this fad is going to burn out without someone constantly validating them. 

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4 minutes ago, kilroy69 said:

You must work at being stupid. Like a full 40 hour week of just filling your brain with the dumbest things ever. I am soooo happy that this fad is going to burn out without someone constantly validating them. 

Yeah the vast majority of the world’s doctors and scientists are stupid .(And yes it’s the vast majority, a near universal consensus no matter what people here think.) instead I should listen to a bunch of narrow minded bigots on the internet. That would be the “smart” move, right? 

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1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Yeah the vast majority of the world’s doctors and scientists are stupid .(And yes it’s the vast majority, a near universal consensus no matter what people here think.) instead I should listen to a bunch of narrow minded bigots on the internet. That would be the “smart” move, right? 

Again with the "vast majority" fallacy.  You're lying and you know it but want to push your wish-casting as fact.  It's not. 

You Trans Flat Earthers are a hoot.

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1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

There are always wackos looking for attention. Like the climate change skeptics, the vaccine skeptics, the Holocaust deniers. All of these groups deserve the same amount of respect (which is none.) 

I don't think you're this stupid which is why I have no doubt you're 100% a sore loser troll.  Maybe you are this stupid?

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2 minutes ago, CaptainObvious1 said:

I don't think you're this stupid which is why I have no doubt you're 100% a sore loser troll.  Maybe you are this stupid?

All of you guys calling me stupid for believing the scientists is pretty hilarious. It just makes you look even worse. 
 

Why not just admit you hate trans people because you think it’s weird and gross and you’re secretly afraid that your son or daughter or you yourself might have such tendencies? Just admit that there’s no science to back up your bigotry, it’s all a bunch of hateful garbage, that your fear of these folks is much closer to a mental disease than any aspect of what they do. If you’re willing to admit these things then we can have a fruitful discussion. 

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Just now, The Real timschochet said:

All of you guys calling me stupid for believing the scientists is pretty hilarious. It just makes you look even worse. 
 

Why not just admit you hate trans people because you think it’s weird and gross and you’re secretly afraid that your son or daughter or you yourself might have such tendencies? Just admit that there’s no science to back up your bigotry, it’s all a bunch of hateful garbage, that your fear of these folks is much closer to a mental disease than any aspect of what they do. If you’re willing to admit these things then we can have a fruitful discussion. 

I am calling you stupid for comparing vaccine beliefs to holocaust beliefs.  That's idiotic nonsense.  Shove your bigotry stuff up your fat a$$

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34 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Here’s what I think: you WANT to believe that trans is a disease because it fits your world view and bigoted ideology. So you pick and choose and find a few scientists that agree with you and ignore the views of the vast majority of highly respected scientists. And yes you do the same thing with climate change, with vaccines, and with the news media in general.

This is why it’s almost impossible for reasonable people to have conversations with folks like @Strike. They have created, in recent years, their own facts and their own reality. Nicolle Wallace on MSNBC has a word for this: Earth 2. That’s where you live. 

This would describe a majority of those who post here. They're seriously out of touch with common sense and reality.

There would be no Texas outbreak of measles - which we should have been rid of decades ago - if those people had been vaccinated.

Anti-vaxxers are going to fook around and find out, and that's the best thing that could happen to get people to trust the science.

That doesn't mean everyone should go out and the shingles shot or the annual flu and COVID shots. 

Vaccines eradicated polio, small pox, tetanus, diptheria and pertussis, and that's 100 percent factual. Those vaccines changed and saved the world, making it a healthier place.

I love asking anti-vaxxers what they would do if a rabid animal bit their child, and almost every time they say, "Well, that won't happen." 

The thing is, it DOES happen.

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Just now, CaptainObvious1 said:

I am calling you stupid for comparing vaccine beliefs to holocaust beliefs.  That's idiotic nonsense.  Shove your bigotry stuff up your fat a$$

People who believe that vaccines are dangerous are accepting pseudo-science in the place of real science. People who believe that the Holocaust never happened are accepting pseudo-history in the place of real history. It’s actually quite similar. 

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28 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

No and I won’t. It’s like asking me to read the opinion of a nuclear physicist who thinks Einstein is full of sh!t and the Theory of Relativity is total crap. I don’t read pseudo science. 
 

When the American Psychiatric Association, the American Medical Association, the CDC, the World Health Organization tell me that trans is a mental disease, then I’ll believe it. Not before. Until that happens I will ignore all your “evidence” because I know it’s BS. 

ROFLMAO.  Such a pathetic, ignorant person. 

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Just now, Strike said:

ROFLMAO.  Such a pathetic, ignorant person. 

Then get educated and you won’t be one. 

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4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

People who believe that vaccines are dangerous are accepting pseudo-science in the place of real science. People who believe that the Holocaust never happened are accepting pseudo-history in the place of real history. It’s actually quite similar. 

Like I said, you're an idiot.

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Castrating confused young men isn’t science. 

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4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Then get educated and you won’t be one. 

The guy who refuses to read multiple articles handed to him should not be the one suggesting the person who GAVE them those articles isn't educated.  But you are a retard so there's that.

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2 minutes ago, Strike said:

The guy who refuses to read multiple articles handed to him should not be the one suggesting the person who GAVE them those articles isn't educated.  But you are a retard so there's that.

Are you a psychiatrist? Are you studying to be one? 

If the answer to these questions is no then you don’t get a say on this subject. Neither do I. It’s not a subject we should be debating, anymore than we should be debating the efficiency factors of two different airplanes if neither of us are pilots or flight engineers. This is a question of science and we need to leave it to the scientists. And we don’t get to pick or choose between them based on ideological beliefs. We have to go with the ones who are the most highly respected, because they are the only people in position to know. 
Thats why I won’t read your silly articles and that’s why your insistence on them shows you to be the stupid one not me. And that’s why I said educate yourself. You’re not qualified to offer an opinion. 

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2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Are you a psychiatrist? Are you studying to be one? 

If the answer to these questions is no then you don’t get a say on this subject. Neither do I. It’s not a subject we should be debating

If neither one of us gets a say on this subject then neither one of us should be posting in this thread.  But I reject that notion on it's face so I won't follow that.  But If you truly believe that anyone who isn't a psychiatrist shouldn't be talking about this subject I'll expect you to exit the thread post haste.   I bet that doesn't happen though

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15 minutes ago, Strike said:

If neither one of us gets a say on this subject then neither one of us should be posting in this thread.  But I reject that notion on it's face so I won't follow that.  But If you truly believe that anyone who isn't a psychiatrist shouldn't be talking about this subject I'll expect you to exit the thread post haste.   I bet that doesn't happen though

I can keep talking about this subject so long as I accept the science. You don’t get to because you reject the science. See how easy that is? 

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22 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Are you a psychiatrist? Are you studying to be one? 

If the answer to these questions is no then you don’t get a say on this subject. Neither do I. It’s not a subject we should be debating, anymore than we should be debating the efficiency factors of two different airplanes if neither of us are pilots or flight engineers. This is a question of science and we need to leave it to the scientists. And we don’t get to pick or choose between them based on ideological beliefs. We have to go with the ones who are the most highly respected, because they are the only people in position to know. 
Thats why I won’t read your silly articles and that’s why your insistence on them shows you to be the stupid one not me. And that’s why I said educate yourself. You’re not qualified to offer an opinion. 

Your credentials fallacy won't work here.  Sorry, but you don't need to be an expert to identify trans flat earth science.  The vast majority of scientists DO NOT support your trans flat earth garbage.

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2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I can keep talking about this subject so long as I accept the science. You don’t get to because you reject the science. See how easy that is? 

Your trans flat earth science is not, in fact, science.

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29 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Castrating confused young men isn’t science. 

No, and it's quite dangerous and damaging to their future.  They are preying on those with mental weakness or those whose parents have often groomed them into this belief.  I don't use that term loosely, but I feel it's appropriate.

That's why this kooky idea is a step too far beyond the left vs right arguments.  It's amazing how far we've devolved on some of these issues.  The right isn't perfect by any means, but this kind of stuff is why Trump won.  The majority of the American people view this as a kooky argument.  Even a good many of those who voted for Harris feel that way.  It's a 75/25 or 80/20 issue.  

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3 minutes ago, Mark Davis said:

No, and it's quite dangerous and damaging to their future.  They are preying on those with mental weakness or those whose parents have often groomed them into this belief.  I don't use that term loosely, but I feel it's appropriate.

That's why this kooky idea is a step too far beyond the left vs right arguments.  It's amazing how far we've devolved on some of these issues.  The right isn't perfect by any means, but this kind of stuff is why Trump won.  The majority of the American people view this as a kooky argument.  Even a good many of those who voted for Harris feel that way.  It's a 75/25 or 80/20 issue.  

But we were told that a VAST, VAST amount of "scientists" all supported the trans flat earth movement.  How can that be a lie?

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10 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I can keep talking about this subject so long as I accept the science. You don’t get to because you reject the science. See how easy that is? 

Be definition you are NOT accepting the science.  One of the main tenets of science is that it is NEVER written in stone.  It is always up for reevaluation based upon new observations, experiments, and data.  Otherwise, the concept of more than a binary choice between male and female wouldn't ever have been accepted by scientists.  The FACT that you refuse to educate yourself when given the ability to do so shows that you are actually anti-science, not accepting of it.  And saying you believe political lobbying organizations makes something scientific fact just makes you a fool on top of it.

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1 hour ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

 

Trans Flat Earthers 

Holy fuckk. I am stealing that 

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1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

I can keep talking about this subject so long as I accept the science. You don’t get to because you reject the science. See how easy that is? 

If you get your ballz or tittays cut off because your confused by Gender, then your mentally ill. 

 

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@timschochet you never answered my question.  Do you believe pedophiles are mentally ill?  

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52 minutes ago, kilroy69 said:

Holy fuckk. I am stealing that 

You are welcome to use it generously!

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14 hours ago, Beaker15 said:

@timschochet you never answered my question.  Do you believe pedophiles are mentally ill?  

Tim:  They are not "pedophiles".  They are "Minor-attracted Persons" and are just misunderstood and should be able to live how they want and you should be forced to accommodate their every whim and need..  A VAST MAJORITY of SCIENTISTS™ believe this.

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3 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Are you a psychiatrist? Are you studying to be one? 

If the answer to these questions is no then you don’t get a say on this subject. Neither do I. It’s not a subject we should be debating, anymore than we should be debating the efficiency factors of two different airplanes if neither of us are pilots or flight engineers. This is a question of science and we need to leave it to the scientists. And we don’t get to pick or choose between them based on ideological beliefs. We have to go with the ones who are the most highly respected, because they are the only people in position to know. 
Thats why I won’t read your silly articles and that’s why your insistence on them shows you to be the stupid one not me. And that’s why I said educate yourself. You’re not qualified to offer an opinion. 

JFC Tim, trans was removed as mental illness because of FEELINGS.  Literally.  There was ZERO science involved.  How can you not comprehend that and call this bullshat?   ZERO science.  Enough academics got enough power and said it wasn’t mental illness based on nothing but feelings.  It was literally removed because of concerns over how trans people would be perceived, so they quit calling it mental illness.  This is not my opinion, it’s literally the words of the American Psychiatry  Association who writes the DSM.

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I’ve gone to see the Led Zeppelin movie. I’ll return to this thread later 

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4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I’ve gone to see the Led Zeppelin movie. I’ll return to this thread later 

No one gives a sh!t where you're going

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2 hours ago, Beaker15 said:

@timschochet you never answered my question.  Do you believe pedophiles are mentally ill?  

I didn’t answer your question because it’s an offensive comparison. I won’t answer it now either. Draw your own conclusions, 

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51 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I’ve gone to see the Led Zeppelin movie. I’ll return to this thread later 

And when you do you will find that with this crowd, the song remains the same. 

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3 minutes ago, squistion said:

And when you do you will find that with this crowd, the song remains the same. 

Yep. Movie was great BTW