Bernie Sanders defends Fidel Castro's socialist Cuba: 'Unfair to simply say everything is bad'

[Utilit99 4,099]

1 minute ago, The Observer said:

Here is the problem Team Trump has been having getting traction on throwing dirt on his opponents. Everything they try to pin on an opponent, Trump has done ten times worse.  When they were scared of Biden, they would post videos of him putting his hands on a little girl's shoulders.  Or hugging a woman a few seconds too long. They were trying to promote a 'creepy Joe'  vibe. But the public knows that Trump has nearly 20 different women who have come forward with sexual assault accusations.  So a 4 second hug isn't exactly disgusting anyone in comparison.  Then it was Bloomberg they were scared of.  "Stop and Frisk"!! He's a racist. Ummm, Trump has settled lawsuits because he refused to rent to black people. Made up the entire birtherism scam, and calls african countries sh*tholes.  Uhhh, next.  lol   And now accusing Bernie of defending a dictator when he had no problem with all with the bone saw Prince cutting up a journalist or snuggling up to his best buddy, Putin. 

I guess Trump never said he was native american. He should probably root for Warren to win the nomination. 

Retarded AND TDS. Quite the combo you have going on here.

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1 minute ago, Utilit99 said:

Retarded AND TDS. Quite the combo you have going on here.

Cool attack.  Any thoughts on the thread subject or post you quoted?  

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21 minutes ago, The Observer said:

A dead ex-dictator.  I know.,That was my point.  Trump idolizes current day dictators. hth

Yeah, all those sanctions he’s imposed over and above Obama’s is the epitome of idolization. You were wrong just say it. 

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6 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yeah, all those sanctions he’s imposed over and above Obama’s is the epitome of idolization. You were wrong just say it. 

Trump has lifted sanctions.  Putin loves him. He'd want Trump to be president as long as he lives.

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2 minutes ago, The Observer said:

Trump has lifted sanctions.  Putin loves him. He'd want Trump to be president as long as he lives.

So you’re claiming Trump hasn’t put additional sanctions on Russia? 

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Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

So you’re claiming Trump hasn’t put additional sanctions on Russia? 

I'm claiming he's removed sanctions that Obama had in place. 

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6 minutes ago, The Observer said:

I'm claiming he's removed sanctions that Obama had in place. 

Ok, but if he was in Putin’s pocket like you claim, why did he put other ones on him? And just curious, what do you think is the lifeblood of Russia’s economy? 

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Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Ok, but if he was in Putin’s pocket like you claim, why did he put other ones on him? And just curious, what do you think is the lifeblood of Russia’s economy? 

I'm sure any sanctions put on Russia by Trump were discussed in advance during one of their secret closed-door meetings. Trump would never in a million years do anything to upset Putin. He's terrified of him. 

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Don't argue with that retard, just put his ass on ignore. He doesn't want to do anything except waste your time.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,777]

8 minutes ago, The Observer said:

I'm sure any sanctions put on Russia by Trump were discussed in advance during one of their secret closed-door meetings. Trump would never in a million years do anything to upset Putin. He's terrified of him. 

Ok. So, what do you think is the lifeblood of Russia’s economy? 

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8 minutes ago, lickin_starfish said:

Don't argue with that retard, just put his ass on ignore. He doesn't want to do anything except waste your time.

You seem nice.  Any opinion of Bernie's comments on Castro? Or just looking to wreck a thread?

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2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Ok. So, what do you think is the lifeblood of Russia’s economy? 

Is this a quiz? Authentic Olympic hockey jerseys?

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Just now, The Observer said:

Is this a quiz? Authentic Olympic hockey jerseys?

Can’t answer it I guess. Aren’t you the one claiming people just attack you instead of having a substantive conversation? You wonder why? 

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22 minutes ago, The Observer said:

I'm claiming he's removed sanctions that Obama had in place. 

Good, maybe he can get our uranium back next. 

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Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Can’t answer it I guess. Aren’t you the one claiming people just attack you instead of having a substantive conversation? You wonder why? 

Sorry. I don't know that answer. I'd be more than happy for you to tell me your opinion though. But it'ds not going to change the fact that attacking Bernie for his opinion on Castro is silly when Trump coddles Putin, Ardogen, and the bone saw Prince.

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47 minutes ago, The Observer said:

Should have said for 18 holes.  Is that really your way of disputing that Trump is fat and in horrible shape?  Face it, Bernie and Trump are both huge risks, health-wise. Would still love to know why he was rushed to the hospital. 

I think it's safe to say that 98% of all people over the age of 70 are a huge risk, health-wise.  Outside of Klobuchar and Buttigeig, every other candidate falls in the that range.  While not quite knocking on the door of that range, Klobuchar is at least in the driveway.  That said, I'm willing to bet that most politicians that are 70+ years old are more likely to be in that 2% and not the 98%.  Meaning, I think it's a moot point to discuss this from either side.

[Utilit99 4,099]

45 minutes ago, The Observer said:

Cool attack.  Any thoughts on the thread subject or post you quoted?  

Nah. I just do as you do now. No reason to give if someone asks why you went off topic. Need a reminder of that? Or were you drunk again at the time?

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12 minutes ago, The Observer said:

Sorry. I don't know that answer. I'd be more than happy for you to tell me your opinion though. But it'ds not going to change the fact that attacking Bernie for his opinion on Castro is silly when Trump coddles Putin, Ardogen, and the bone saw Prince.

It’s oil. And it’s not an opinion. So, Putin would rather have Trump, than the guy who promises to end fracking, off shore drilling and every other stupid thing in that green deal. Makes sense. 

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7 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

It’s oil. And it’s not an opinion. So, Putin would rather have Trump, than the guy who promises to end fracking, off shore drilling and every other stupid thing in that green deal. Makes sense. 

What does that have to do with my point?  That Trump supporters want to attack Bernie because he said something nice about a murderous dictator yet have no problem  with the cozy relationship Trump has with multiple current day murderous dictators? 

[Hardcore troubadour 12,777]

2 minutes ago, The Observer said:

What does that have to do with my point?  That Trump supporters want to attack Bernie because he said something nice about a murderous dictator yet have no problem  with the cozy relationship Trump has with multiple current day murderous dictators? 

And what does he get out of this “cozy” relationship? More importantly, what are they getting out of it? Russia already got Crimea and the Uranium from the last guy.  

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Back on topic.

It's one thing to acknowledge that Russia, is putting out misinformation to cause chaos and interfere with our election process.  It's a whole other to call Trump or Tulsi Gabbard "Russian Assets!!@#!"  which is what prominent DNC persons have said as well as prominent cable tv news personalities. 

That's the part that drives me insane.

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1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

And what does he get out of this “cozy” relationship? More importantly, what are they getting out of it? Russia already got Crimea and the Uranium from the last guy.  

Cool deflect. What was Bernie getting out of complimenting Castro?  I thought the entire Bernie outrage was because you are only ever supposed to say horrible things about a repressive dictator.

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1 minute ago, KSB2424 said:

Back on topic.

It's one thing to acknowledge that Russia, is putting out misinformation to cause chaos and interfere with our election process.  It's a whole other to call Trump or Tulsi Gabbard "Russian Assets!!@#!"  which is what prominent DNC persons have said as well as prominent cable tv news personalities. 

That's the part that drives me insane.

I'm still up in the air on the Tulsi Gabbert stuff.  I'll let you know shortly. If she runs as a third party candidate, it is definitely a Russia/Trump collaboration. 

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31 minutes ago, The Observer said:

You seem nice.  Any opinion of Bernie's comments on Castro? Or just looking to wreck a thread?

The fundamental issue with Bernie's comments, and I've said it here many many times as it is the fatal flaw of liberals, is that they want to have their cake and eat it too.  Bernie thinks we can have M4A, free college, etc. with no impact on our economy.  There is a reason communism is 0 for forever, it simply doesn't work, for multiple reasons:  there are no incentives for advancement, humans are inherently selfish, and as such some animals are more equal than others.

Candidates like Klobuchar who support "the perfect not being the enemy of the good" concepts like changes in prescription drug models, I think those are interesting ideas worthy of adult discussion.  But Bernie has a life history of being a communist, while never having any successes to speak of outside of government.  You can argue that congress won't pass many/most/any of his ideas, but this is the mindset of the guy you want to put into office.

If I have to pick between one president who puts up visiting diplomats at his resort, vs. another who at his core wants to change the fundamental fabric of what made this country the greatest in the world, I'll take the former. 

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7 minutes ago, The Observer said:

I'm still up in the air on the Tulsi Gabbert stuff.  I'll let you know shortly. If she runs as a third party candidate, it is definitely a Russia/Trump collaboration. 

So it's either the Dem's or right or Trump is wrong?  It can't be that the Dem's are wrong/the problem?  Meaning, if Gabbert runs as an Independent, it can't be because Hillary and the party are corrupt... it must be a Trump/Russia thing?

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3 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

The fundamental issue with Bernie's comments, and I've said it here many many times as it is the fatal flaw of liberals, is that they want to have their cake and eat it too.  Bernie thinks we can have M4A, free college, etc. with no impact on our economy.  There is a reason communism is 0 for forever, it simply doesn't work, for multiple reasons:  there are no incentives for advancement, humans are inherently selfish, and as such some animals are more equal than others.

Candidates like Klobuchar who support "the perfect not being the enemy of the good" concepts like changes in prescription drug models, I think those are interesting ideas worthy of adult discussion.  But Bernie has a life history of being a communist, while never having any successes to speak of outside of government.  You can argue that congress won't pass many/most/any of his ideas, but this is the mindset of the guy you want to put into office.

If I have to pick between one president who puts up visiting diplomats at his resort, vs. another who at his core wants to change the fundamental fabric of what made this country the greatest in the world, I'll take the former. 

I hate the fact that it looks like Bernie is going to be the nominee.  I could get behind the free college. We have 12 free grades now. You could eliminate all the general courses that the colleges use as a money grab that most have already had in high school. And the effect of all the young americans having the money to spend on clothes, housing, entertainment instead of paying back loans would have a great effect on the economy. I would need way more detail than is being released now in order to form a definite opinion.

I am not at all supportive of medicare for all.  And if Bernie should somehow become president, I would hope that his big campaign promise would fail in the same way Trump's repeal of Obamacare and the wall did for him.  We have to realize that just because a candidate uses something as their platform to run on, doesn't mean it gets passed into law.  So I would definitely be rooting against that bill.  

Bernie is by far my least-liked of the remaining candidates, but I will obviously support him if he gets the nomination. 

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5 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

So it's either the Dem's or right or Trump is wrong?  It can't be that the Dem's are wrong/the problem?  Meaning, if Gabbert runs as an Independent, it can't be because Hillary and the party are corrupt... it must be a Trump/Russia thing?

There were 22 democratic candidates. And there's always been a buzz among Democrats that Gabbert had a side agenda. It's also common knowledge that a viable third party candidate helps Trump immensely.  So when someone gets the nomination, there will be 21 other candidates who lost. If Gabbert ends up being the 1 in 21 who runs as a third party candidate, it obviously won't be a coincidence. 

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8 minutes ago, The Observer said:

There were 22 democratic candidates. And there's always been a buzz among Democrats that Gabbert had a side agenda. It's also common knowledge that a viable third party candidate helps Trump immensely.  So when someone gets the nomination, there will be 21 other candidates who lost. If Gabbert ends up being the 1 in 21 who runs as a third party candidate, it obviously won't be a coincidence. 

There were 22, yes, but I think we can all agree that 18 weren't/aren't real candidates to begin with, including Gabbert.  If (probably when), Bernie gets screwed by the DNC (again)... if he runs as an Independent, will he then also be a Russian / Trump asset too?  I mean, after all, it would have been 22 at the start and then 1 in 21 run as a 3rd party.  Oh, and this time, the 1 would have a significant impact on the election.  Also, Gabbert running as an Independent won't swing the vote at all.  She wasn't even getting love from the party before the bashing began.  She was polling at what, 1... 2%?  Hell, Gary Johnson got more than what she would get.

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5 minutes ago, The Observer said:

I hate the fact that it looks like Bernie is going to be the nominee.  I could get behind the free college. We have 12 free grades now. You could eliminate all the general courses that the colleges use as a money grab that most have already had in high school. And the effect of all the young americans having the money to spend on clothes, housing, entertainment instead of paying back loans would have a great effect on the economy. I would need way more detail than is being released now in order to form a definite opinion.

I am not at all supportive of medicare for all.  And if Bernie should somehow become president, I would hope that his big campaign promise would fail in the same way Trump's repeal of Obamacare and the wall did for him.  We have to realize that just because a candidate uses something as their platform to run on, doesn't mean it gets passed into law.  So I would definitely be rooting against that bill.  

Bernie is by far my least-liked of the remaining candidates, but I will obviously support him if he gets the nomination. 

I disagree with the free college.  We are moving to more of a gig economy every day, and the brick and mortar college concept is increasingly archaic.  We still need it for studies like engineering and medicine (and finance and... everyone don't get butt hurt if I didn't list your major), but people can make great money getting certificates/training in specific areas of focus.  

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1 minute ago, TBayXXXVII said:

There were 22, yes, but I think we can all agree that 18 weren't/aren't real candidates to begin with, including Gabbert.  If (probably when), Bernie gets screwed by the DNC (again)... if he runs as an Independent, will he then also be a Russian / Trump asset too?  Also, Gabbert running as an Independent won't swing the vote at all.  She wasn't even getting love from the party before the bashing began.

Bernie knows he is widely disliked for how he handled losing in 2016 and has promised to support the Nominee whoever it ends up being. So he wouldn't run as a third party.  If he did, it wouldn't be because he's a Russian asset, it would be because he's a petulant child asswhole.  Gabbert can't even get 1% in her own party, what would be her purpose of running as a third party?  That has been a rumor for almost a year now.  And it's not because anyone thinks that Gabbert would finally be the third party candidate who has a chance to win. I know Hillary is bitter and I diregard most that she says these days, but if Gabbert goes rogue and runs, Hillary was spot on and read the situation like a book.

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Also Newbs, you asked for a response to the thread topic, I gave one, and other than saying Bernie is your least favorite candidate, you didn't really respond to me.  So doing a bit of a research, you were equating Bernie's fundamental communist beliefs with Trump establishing relationships with world leaders.  Do you think they are the same? 

[Baker Boy 1,490]

“These days, the American dream is more apt to be realized in South America, in places such as Ecuador, Venezuela and Argentina, where incomes are actually more equal today than they are in the land of Horatio Alger.” - Bernie Sanders

 

[Hardcore troubadour 12,777]

37 minutes ago, The Observer said:

Cool deflect. What was Bernie getting out of complimenting Castro?  I thought the entire Bernie outrage was because you are only ever supposed to say horrible things about a repressive dictator.

There’s just no point. And I don’t know what I’m doing attempting to have a discussion with someone  who has no clue about Russia’s economy but also knows what’s on Putin’s mind. Shame on me. 

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1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

Also Newbs, you asked for a response to the thread topic, I gave one, and other than saying Bernie is your least favorite candidate, you didn't really respond to me.  So doing a bit of a research, you were equating Bernie's fundamental communist beliefs with Trump establishing relationships with world leaders.  Do you think they are the same? 

No I do not. I believe that every move Trump makes is for the personal benefit of Trump and his family. I don't think that's the case with Bernie. 

Also, comparing socialism with communism is the plan of the right.  There are many very effective programs in this country that are examples of socialism. Social Security, medicaid, medicare, farmer bailouts...socialism become a buzzword when you change it to communism.  Like I said, I want nothing to do with M4A, and still need to hear more about the free college plan, so I'm not one to speak to if you're looking for a defender of Bernie's policies, but I'm also not ready to make the leap to communism simply because the right knows that word is evil in this country. 

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1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

There’s just no point. And I don’t know what I’m doing attempting to have a discussion with someone  who has no clue about Russia’s economy but also knows what’s on Putin’s mind. Shame on me. 

Lol  I always love this response when I refuse to go ten miles out of the way in an attempt to deflect from the thread topic. 

I'll say it one more time as you walk away. Trump cozies up to murderous dictators all day, every day.  If you are fine with that, then remain silent when you hear Bernie say something that's not hateful about Castro.  Your outrage can't be conditional on the R or the D.  

[Hardcore troubadour 12,777]

Imagine Trump said Mussolini made the trains run on time? 

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2 hours ago, The Observer said:

If it's Bernie vs Trump, I'd put the odds at about 10% that both are still around by 2024.  One has a bad heart and must have high blood pressure with the way he always yells and appears red faced, and the other is morbidly obese and eats KFC and inactive 23 hours a day.  Pay close attention to vice presidential candidates. Very good chance one of the two will be President before the 2024 election.

Money where your mouth is. How much you want to bet?

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31 minutes ago, The Observer said:

I hate the fact that it looks like Bernie is going to be the nominee.  I could get behind the free college. We have 12 free grades now. You could eliminate all the general courses that the colleges use as a money grab that most have already had in high school. And the effect of all the young americans having the money to spend on clothes, housing, entertainment instead of paying back loans would have a great effect on the economy. I would need way more detail than is being released now in order to form a definite opinion.

I am not at all supportive of medicare for all.  And if Bernie should somehow become president, I would hope that his big campaign promise would fail in the same way Trump's repeal of Obamacare and the wall did for him.  We have to realize that just because a candidate uses something as their platform to run on, doesn't mean it gets passed into law.  So I would definitely be rooting against that bill.  

Bernie is by far my least-liked of the remaining candidates, but I will obviously support him if he gets the nomination. 

As far as your education stance is concerned, I don't really disagree with you.  In my opinion, there should be standards in the general (K-12), education system that need to be met.  Those standards should be the basic common sense level of society.  The way I see it, if you are in the "general/basic" level in H.S., you should be required to take English 101 and 102 (as an example), to graduate.  If you are in College Prep, you should only be required to take English 102.  If you are in AP/Honors, you get full credit for English.  That goes for any other subject.  All testing for colleges should be done at the HS level, not colleges.  Colleges have a specific interest in grading you as poorly as possible.

The following are for state funded universities... There should be a standard credit cost for 12 and under and over 12, and not any varying scales.  Those amounts should be regulated by the state, not the universities.  If they want to set their own rates, then be a private school and take no government funding.  No liberal arts field, aside from a few specific ones, such as journalism, should be allowed to be offered as majors at a bachelors degree program... only as minors with an Associates degree level.  No one will get a job majoring in gender studies, music or art appreciation, and other stupid crap like that.  If you want those fields, then you should be in the teaching program geared towards those specialties because those are going to be the only jobs available to you.  The plus side is that when you can't get a teaching job in those fields because there's like only 1,000 of them available, then you can at least teach something else until a position opens up... and you'll at least have a job making money.  Things like this will drastically cut the costs of college education and maximize the education and future earnings of college students.

I think the K-12 school year should be longer and the classes should be staggered to keep the kids from getting bored with the same topic every day.  This would allow the kids to learn more while in the K-12 environment.  The biggest obstacle to that is the teachers/union (you know, the Democrats).  They already get paid full-time wages for part-time work, plus other benefits that don't show up in the paycheck like great medical coverage for peanuts and an excellent pension plan.  All they'll do is complain about how little they get paid.

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The biggest concern for law enforcement in the country should be the pending violence resulting from a Bernie loss. 

They have some real violent weirdos supporting this clown. Hopefully trump and governors across the country are prepared to deal with these losers. 

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14 minutes ago, The Observer said:

Bernie knows he is widely disliked for how he handled losing in 2016 and has promised to support the Nominee whoever it ends up being. So he wouldn't run as a third party.  If he did, it wouldn't be because he's a Russian asset, it would be because he's a petulant child asswhole.  Gabbert can't even get 1% in her own party, what would be her purpose of running as a third party?  That has been a rumor for almost a year now.  And it's not because anyone thinks that Gabbert would finally be the third party candidate who has a chance to win. I know Hillary is bitter and I diregard most that she says these days, but if Gabbert goes rogue and runs, Hillary was spot on and read the situation like a book.

Yeah, I don't see it that way.  If she runs 3rd party, she's going to take votes away from Trump because she's more moderate.  Any Democrat candidate that wins the primary is going to be more left... which appears to be the direction the DNC is moving towards.  With that being the case, people who want moderate will vote for Trump.  If Gabbert runs, she'll take the moderate vote from Trump and help the Democrat candidate.