Instant Fantasy Analysis - RB Clyde Edwards-Helaire, Chiefs

[justforbeer 41]

On 9/8/2020 at 8:32 AM, LoOnAtIk said:

It’s a case of immediate value with little to no risk. Similar to Saquon, Zeke, Gurley rookie seasons. 
 

You know he’s talented, you know he’s gonna get the ball a bunch, and you also know he’s in an extremely high powered offense, if not the best offense. 
 

I have CEH ranked right there with Kamara. I’d probably take him over Dalvin Cook and the other RBs at that tier.

Doh!

[justforbeer 41]

CEH is looking more like a 1st rd bust after 8 games. Trending downward fast.

 

[cmh6476 1,011]

7 hours ago, justforbeer said:

CEH is looking more like a 1st rd bust after 8 games. Trending downward fast.

 

Not in real life

[LoOnAtIk 75]

10 hours ago, justforbeer said:

CEH is looking more like a 1st rd bust after 8 games. Trending downward fast.

 

Trending downward yes. Bust? No. You don’t delete the good games he’s already had. The Bell signing was the writing on the wall. 2 weeks removed from 26 carries for 161 and you’re ready to call him a bust? Get a grip.

[weepaws 3,158]

Only one td through his first six games, he was a borderline rb1 before Bell was sign. 

I agree he is a first round bust. 

[justforbeer 41]

46 minutes ago, LoOnAtIk said:

Trending downward yes. Bust? No. You don’t delete the good games he’s already had. The Bell signing was the writing on the wall. 2 weeks removed from 26 carries for 161 and you’re ready to call him a bust? Get a grip.

 He is LOOKING More like a bust I and trending down.  Clearly.

Six out of eight games he has rushed for 64 yards or less. In the last two games he has been essentially nonexistent.

Top-five running back’s taken before him except for McCaffrey(injury) are the top four current running backs in the league.

[TBayXXXVII 2,488]

At this point, he's definitely a bust.  I expect 18+ ppw from my 1st round pick and Hellaire did that in 3 of 8 games this year and he's only averaging 14 (PPR), this year.  I drafted him 10th in one league.  Not really very confident in him.

[LoOnAtIk 75]

9 minutes ago, justforbeer said:

  He is LOOKING More like a bust I and trending down.  Clearly.

Six out of eight games he has rushed for 64 yards or less. In the last two games he has been essentially nonexistent.

Top-five running back’s taken before him except for McCaffrey(injury) are the top four current running backs in the league.

But what about everyone drafted after him? Jacobs, Carson, Mixon, Chubb, Aaron Jones, Miles Sanders, Kenyan Drake... 

 

Can even add Michael Thomas and Julio Jones to this list. He’s trending downward but you can’t call him a bust after 2 bad weeks. 

[LoOnAtIk 75]

4 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

At this point, he's definitely a bust.  I expect 18+ ppw from my 1st round pick and Hellaire did that in 3 of 8 games this year and he's only averaging 14 (PPR), this year.  I drafted him 10th in one league.  Not really very confident in him.

This is idiotic. By that same exact criteria Henry has only 3 weeks above 18. Only Cook, Kamara, and Zeke fit your description of non-bust and speaking of zeke he’s been worse than CEH last 3 weeks.

[TBayXXXVII 2,488]

4 minutes ago, LoOnAtIk said:

This is idiotic. By that same exact criteria Henry has only 3 weeks above 18. Only Cook, Kamara, and Zeke fit your description of non-bust and speaking of zeke he’s been worse than CEH last 3 weeks.

I don't really care if you think that it's idiotic.

[LoOnAtIk 75]

13 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I don't really care if you think that it's idiotic.

No no. It’s not my opinion. It’s objectively idiotic. By your criteria Henry is a bust too? What about Zeke?

[cmh6476 1,011]

The Jets did what any smart football team would do; shut down the run and force Mahomes to beat you.

 

Oh wait...

[TBayXXXVII 2,488]

1 minute ago, LoOnAtIk said:

No no. It’s not my opinion. It’s objectively idiotic. By your criteria Henry is a bust too? What about Zeke?

Yes, it is your opinion.  Henry is a bust at this point in time because the return wasn't worth the investment.  Just because you don't like it, doesn't make it false.

 

Elliott isn't a bust because his situation changed.  He got 18 (17.8 is close enough), points every week before the last 3.

[TBayXXXVII 2,488]

4 minutes ago, cmh6476 said:

The Jets did what any smart football team would do; shut down the run and force Mahomes to beat you.

 

Oh wait...

A smart team wouldn't stop the run against the Chiefs, they'd stop the big plays.  Force the short game/running game to beat you.

The more big plays you give up, the more possessions are likely.  Giving up big plays leads to teams having more possessions.  Tampa vs the 2000 Rams proved that.

[AxeElf 787]

2 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Henry is a bust at this point in time because the return wasn't worth the investment.

The #3 RB in both standard and PPR scoring is a bust?

You and weepeen should get a room.

[TBayXXXVII 2,488]

Just now, AxeElf said:

The #3 RB in both standard and PPR scoring is a bust?

You and weepeen should get a room.

Fantasy teams who had Henry needed someone else to carry their team at least 5 times this season.  Considering they played 8 games, yes, that's a bust at this point in time.  Assuming he plays well the rest of the year, things will change at that point. 

[jrokh 608]

There is a difference between not meeting expectations/draft cost and bust. A player drafted at an rb1 draft spot that gives you an rb2 performance, while disappointing is not a bust...

[AxeElf 787]

1 hour ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Fantasy teams who had Henry needed someone else to carry their team at least 5 times this season.  Considering they played 8 games, yes, that's a bust at this point in time.

The Titans have played 7 games, not 8.  Henry's performances in each of those 7 games are:

Week 1:  16.1

Week 2:  8.4

Week 3:  27.0

Week 4:  Bye

Week 5:  19.3

Week 6:  40.4

Week 7:  15.2

Week 8:  17.2

I see one single-digit score that might have been somewhat disappointing, but even the best players in the league throw up a clunker now and again.  A single 8-point clunker over the course of half a season when every other outing is 15+ isn't a bust.

In fact, I would guess that most owners who don't have Cook or Kamara would be pretty happy if they had those games from their RB1.

[justforbeer 41]

Seem to keep having to repeat what I said.

He is looking like a bust.... and trending that direction. 

[LoOnAtIk 75]

5 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Yes, it is your opinion.  Henry is a bust at this point in time because the return wasn't worth the investment.  Just because you don't like it, doesn't make it false.

 

Elliott isn't a bust because his situation changed.  He got 18 (17.8 is close enough), points every week before the last 3.

Elliott’s situation changed but CEH situation didn’t change? Cmon dude. 
 

And you have Henry, the 3rd highest scoring RB currently as a bust because he doesn’t meet your criteria. 
 

Wooofffff...
 

 

[LoOnAtIk 75]

4 hours ago, jrokh said:

There is a difference between not meeting expectations/draft cost and bust. A player drafted at an rb1 draft spot that gives you an rb2 performance, while disappointing is not a bust...

Agree with this completely. Basically Tbay is saying if you didn’t draft Cook or Kamara it’s a bust. Elliott gets a free pass cuz of Dak and CMC, MT, Davante get a free pass for being hurt.

 

No one on here had CEH busting in preseason because the Chiefs would sign Le’Veon Friggin Bell midway thru the season.

 

Armed with the knowledge that he’d be sharing with Bell of course that crushes his value. No one saw that coming, especially after they passed on Fournette.

[jrokh 608]

8 minutes ago, LoOnAtIk said:

Agree with this completely. Basically Tbay is saying if you didn’t draft Cook or Kamara it’s a bust. Elliott gets a free pass cuz of Dak and CMC, MT, Davante get a free pass for being hurt.

 

No one on here had CEH busting in preseason because the Chiefs would sign Le’Veon Friggin Bell midway thru the season.

 

Armed with the knowledge that he’d be sharing with Bell of course that crushes his value. No one saw that coming, especially after they passed on Fournette.

I actually looked at my League's draft results there were very few non-injury busts at RB this year. Drake perhaps, maybe Ingram. Everyone else who could be considered a 'bust' got hurt. Barkley, CMC, Ekler, Chubb, Miles Sanders, et.al. If I were to vote for Bust of the year, even though he's been hurt, it would be Michael Thomas...

[LoOnAtIk 75]

39 minutes ago, justforbeer said:

Seem to keep having to repeat what I said.

He is looking like a bust.... and trending that direction. 

Based on the production he’s already given before Bell arrived and armed with the knowledge that he’s sharing the ball, that cannot make him a bust. If you start him, you assume the risk of him sharing, it’s not as if he’s playing bad.
 

Just gotta roll with the punches and play the matchups, he hasn’t gotten many touches lately but that’s not his fault. He had a decent matchup on paper vs Jets but KC aired it out. He can blow up and get 15-20 carries any given week. That’s just how the KC offense is. Case and point Mahomes barely did anything the week prior. Only 20 pass attempts. 
 

All I know is KC is still the most high powered offense in the league, it doesn’t hurt to have pieces, even if his stock took a hit. 
 

is CEH a buy low?!

[LoOnAtIk 75]

Just now, jrokh said:

I actually looked at my League's draft results there were very few non-injury busts at RB this year. Drake perhaps, maybe Ingram. Everyone else who could be considered a 'bust' got hurt. Barkley, CMC, Ekler, Chubb, Miles Sanders, et.al. If I were to vote for Bust of the year, even though he's been hurt, it would be Mike Thomas...

Julio Jones****
 

Fixed.

[jrokh 608]

2 minutes ago, LoOnAtIk said:

Julio Jones****
 

Fixed.

Julio is averaging over 15 pts a game in half ppr. Since he came back from injury he put up 30, 14, and 18 pts in the 3 games consecutively. Unfix your fix...

[LoOnAtIk 75]

1 hour ago, jrokh said:

Julio is averaging over 15 pts a game in half ppr. Since he came back from injury he put up 30, 14, and 18 pts in the 3 games consecutively. Unfix your fix...

According to TBay 15 ppg is a super bust lol 

 

However you shape it, the 2 single digit weeks combined with the missed games I’d call that a 1st round bust if he was drafted that high. In terms of position scarcity there’s plenty of WRs outperforming him.

[jrokh 608]

17 minutes ago, LoOnAtIk said:

According to TBay 15 ppg is a super bust lol 

 

However you shape it, the 2 single digit weeks combined with the missed games I’d call that a 1st round bust if he was drafted that high. In terms of position scarcity there’s plenty of WRs outperforming him.

Julio was rarely drafted in the 1st rd. In my league he went 24th. Not remotely in bust range. JuJu on the other hand...

[weepaws 3,158]

Non ppr Henry hasn’t been anywhere near a bust, he’s posted 13 plus points per game all but once.  

Now CeH in non ppr and posted 13 or more points 3 times , he’s a first round bust.  And it’s going to get worst , he and R Jones will starting losing value going forward, did you Mixon owners shop him after his one good game this season? I hope so, hey good luck going forward   

Thanks. 

[justforbeer 41]

On 11/3/2020 at 7:20 PM, jrokh said:

Julio was rarely drafted in the 1st rd. In my league he went 24th. Not remotely in bust range. JuJu on the other hand...

Now there’s your wide receiver best of the year, juju has been terrible.

 I kind of chuckled when you were talking about running backs and non-injury busts but then stated Michael Thomas was a bust. 

Running back non-injury busts of the year currently are

CEH, MIXON OR DRAKE.

[weepaws 3,158]

I think Mixon tops that list, Gio has been ff good last two weeks.  

 

[LoOnAtIk 75]

On 11/4/2020 at 4:46 AM, weepaws said:

Non ppr Henry hasn’t been anywhere near a bust, he’s posted 13 plus points per game all but once.  

Now CeH in non ppr and posted 13 or more points 3 times , he’s a first round bust.  And it’s going to get worst , he and R Jones will starting losing value going forward, did you Mixon owners shop him after his one good game this season? I hope so, hey good luck going forward   

Thanks. 

Almost everyone’s 1st round pick has struggled either with injury or consistency but when it’s all said and done leading up to now CEH has been excellent. Last 2 games not great but that’s essentially the floor. He’s gonna have more big games before the season is over. That offense is far too powerful.

[weepaws 3,158]

1 hour ago, LoOnAtIk said:

Almost everyone’s 1st round pick has struggled either with injury or consistency but when it’s all said and done leading up to now CEH has been excellent. Last 2 games not great but that’s essentially the floor. He’s gonna have more big games before the season is over. That offense is far too powerful.

Of course, injury’s happen, and bad games at times will happen, just look at A Jones weekly rankings last season, he had great games, and some really awfull games.  

CEH has been far from excellent as a first round pick, he’s right now 19th in avg per game in non ppr.  

 

[LoOnAtIk 75]

2 hours ago, weepaws said:

Of course, injury’s happen, and bad games at times will happen, just look at A Jones weekly rankings last season, he had great games, and some really awfull games.  

CEH has been far from excellent as a first round pick, he’s right now 19th in avg per game in non ppr.  

 

Once again who cares about non PPR?

Now do PPR.

[weepaws 3,158]

53 minutes ago, LoOnAtIk said:

Once again who cares about non PPR?

Now do PPR.

14 team non ppr, I do. 

Whos cares about what you think about non ppr, I don’t.  

Ps, he’s 20 based on avg in ppr.  

[LoOnAtIk 75]

20 hours ago, weepaws said:

14 team non ppr, I do. 

Whos cares about what you think about non ppr, I don’t.  

Ps, he’s 20 based on avg in ppr.  

I’m curious to know what rankings you’re using. 19th and 20th in what exactly? Who’s above him? 

[weepaws 3,158]

8 hours ago, LoOnAtIk said:

I’m curious to know what rankings you’re using. 19th and 20th in what exactly? Who’s above him? 

I just look at that great site known as ff today.  

[LoOnAtIk 75]

3 hours ago, weepaws said:

I just look at that great site known as ff today.  

Got it. 3rd on that list is Chase Edmonds. Were you able to snag him in the 1st or 2nd round?

 

9th on that list is Justin Jackson, 12th on that list is Damien Harris. 
 

Do you see my point? Find a better stat to support your argument. 
 

[weepaws 3,158]

1 hour ago, LoOnAtIk said:

Got it. 3rd on that list is Chase Edmonds. Were you able to snag him in the 1st or 2nd round?

 

9th on that list is Justin Jackson, 12th on that list is Damien Harris. 
 

Do you see my point? Find a better stat to support your argument. 
 

I don’t have any argument, I think your the only one with an argument, I’m making a point. 

Edmonds in ppr avg per game ranks 29th, non ppr per game avg Edmonds ranks 32nd. 

Harris in ppr avg per game ranks 35th, non ppr per game avg Harris ranks 27th.  

Jackson in ppr avg per game ranks 38th, in non ppr avg per game ranks 42nd.  

Ceh in ppr avg per game ranks 20th, non ppr per game avg ranks 19th, and still not worthy of a first round pick. 

Point.  

Thanks, I always appreciate your reply.  

[LoOnAtIk 75]

12 hours ago, weepaws said:

I don’t have any argument, I think your the only one with an argument, I’m making a point. 

Edmonds in ppr avg per game ranks 29th, non ppr per game avg Edmonds ranks 32nd. 

Harris in ppr avg per game ranks 35th, non ppr per game avg Harris ranks 27th.  

Jackson in ppr avg per game ranks 38th, in non ppr avg per game ranks 42nd.  

Ceh in ppr avg per game ranks 20th, non ppr per game avg ranks 19th, and still not worthy of a first round pick. 

Point.  

Thanks, I always appreciate your reply.  

Well then I’m looking at the wrong rankings which I asked you for earlier. Can you just provide the names of the 19 above CEH instead of me digging in circles?

[weepaws 3,158]

9 hours ago, LoOnAtIk said:

Well then I’m looking at the wrong rankings which I asked you for earlier. Can you just provide the names of the 19 above CEH instead of me digging in circles?

No I’m not going to type out all the names , now if I was looking for avg points per game, on the ff today, where would one look? Tic Toc  

Ps after today game vs the Panthers , he par for non ppr and behind in ppr, so he might drop a little bit in ppr, but shouldn’t in non. 

Hey good luck in finding the stats, lol, rankings.