Hardcore troubadour 15,427 Posted November 22, 2023 Just now, jonmx said: Yes, because there was no planned conspiracy. Tell me what the plans were. To enter the Capitol and run around on the floor for a while and peacefully leave? What exactly were the conspiring to do, delay a meaningless rubber stamp vote? I am not even sure they had any idea they could breech the Capitol. Thst was just a result because of a total lack of security. Not because of some so-called conspiracy, which has bever been laid out what it was. They had a guillotine! Too bad they didn’t have the inflatable rat too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonmx 2,429 Posted November 22, 2023 1 minute ago, Dozer FBG said: My point is, that there were many dangerous actors on the scene that day. From instigators and others cheering on the crowd as it surrounded the Capitol, to the 40 or so found guilty of seditious conspiracy, to the many frothy psychos like Samsel. But no FBI. At least, no FBI in the capacity you imagine. Because the FBI always farms out the dirty work. They have hundreds of millions in off the book expenses they pay to operatives to do all kinds of questionable crap. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dozer FBG 325 Posted November 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, jonmx said: Yes, because there was no planned conspiracy. Tell me what the plans were. To enter the Capitol and run around on the floor for a while and peacefully leave? What exactly were the conspiring to do, delay a meaningless rubber stamp vote? I am not even sure they had any idea they could breech the Capitol. Thst was just a result because of a total lack of security. Not because of some so-called conspiracy, which has bever been laid out what it was. Here you go M’er F’er Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeachGuy23 642 Posted November 22, 2023 Just now, jonmx said: Because the FBI always farms out the dirty work. They have hundreds of millions in off the book expenses they pay to operatives to do all kinds of questionable crap. Does every CT nutjob consider themselves an expert on FBI operations? Weird because none of you idiots have the mental or emotional intelligence to even sniff becoming an FBI agent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeachGuy23 642 Posted November 22, 2023 4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Participating in their constitutional right to assemble? Got a problem with that? Ok we've established that the deplorable horde was in DC because they were specifically called there by their master. Now. True or not. Trump and his sycophants spent over an hour ginning up the crowd by telling them how the election had been stolen, how america was being destroyed, and to fight like hell. We agree on this fact yes? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonmx 2,429 Posted November 22, 2023 5 minutes ago, Dozer FBG said: Here you go M’er F’er Exactly. You can't put the plan to words either, so you point to some 48 page legal filings full of BS spin. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,413 Posted November 22, 2023 1 minute ago, jonmx said: Exactly. You can put the plan to words either, so you point to some 48 page legal filings full of BS spin. You read that fast! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonmx 2,429 Posted November 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said: Ok we've established that the deplorable horde was in DC because they were specifically called there by their master. Now. True or not. Trump and his sycophants spent over an hour ginning up the crowd by telling them how the election had been stolen, how america was being destroyed, and to fight like hell. We agree on this fact yes? Whose gay alias is this again? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dozer FBG 325 Posted November 22, 2023 8 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: You mean no FBI agents, right? I’m saying you can’t blame J6 on the FBI. I think blaming it on the FBI is the cowards way out of responsibility. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeachGuy23 642 Posted November 22, 2023 Just now, jonmx said: Whose alias is this again? Jesus what is it with you righties and aliases? It's freaking hard just to get registered on this board. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeachGuy23 642 Posted November 22, 2023 Just now, Dozer FBG said: I’m saying you can’t blame J6 on the FBI. I think blaming it on the FBI is the cowards way out of responsibility. Blame the FBI for what? Walking among the deplorable horde of misfits? I sure hope there are FBI agents on the ground at every gathering of MAGAtards. Violence is very likely. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dozer FBG 325 Posted November 22, 2023 4 minutes ago, jonmx said: Exactly. You can't put the plan to words either, so you point to some 48 page legal filings full of BS spin. Ok, well… I guess the FBI did it. Good night. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,427 Posted November 22, 2023 Just now, Dozer FBG said: I’m saying you can’t blame J6 on the FBI. I think blaming it on the FBI is the cowards way out of responsibility. Ok. It’s possible the FBI was there to keep an eye out, not to instigate. I’ll buy that. But what I won’t buy is that Pelosi has no responsibility for this. It’s a piss poor job at best, and if she wanted this to happen she would have done the things she did. She had a lot to gain with the unrest. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegeneral 3,209 Posted November 22, 2023 44 minutes ago, jonmx said: It is to blow smoke and make any rogue news media back off. It has no bearing on how the FBI handles him. They know exactly his role but will never disclose it. It is a serious flaw in our system to have people and agency act above the law. A big part of the reason the FBI has become so corrupt. Tucker and Fox have no problem paying out if it comes to that? Won’t there be some evidence brought up in this case to prove Epps was a Fed? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeachGuy23 642 Posted November 22, 2023 6 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Ok. It’s possible the FBI was there to keep an eye out, not to instigate. I’ll buy that. But what I won’t buy is that Pelosi has no responsibility for this. It’s a piss poor job at best, and if she wanted this to happen she would have done the things she did. She had a lot to gain with the unrest. What did Pelosi have to do with it? Do you just believe all the at right garbage you read? "The Speaker Nancy Pelosi is responsible for the police officers on Capitol Hill!!" Carr said in an email. "On January 6th they was understaffed due to her lack of over site (sic). With the lack of personnel, the United States capitol was breached which should have never happened. Now she is in charge of the investigation of what happened on January 6th." But that's wrong. The Capitol Police are overseen by a number of entities and individuals, none of whom are Pelosi. In March, Capitol Police spokesperson John Stolnis told USA TODAY that the agency is overseen by the Capitol Police Board. Several congressional committees also oversee the agency, including the House and Senate appropriations committees, the House administration commitee and the Senate rules committee. The Capitol Police Board is made up of the House and Senate sergeants-at-arms, as well as the Capitol architect. The Capitol Police chief serves in a non-voting capacity on the board, according to the Capitol Police website. Pelosi was not a chair or administrator of any committee supervising the Capitol Police at the time of the insurrection. She's not listed on any of those committees' websites today, either. More:Jan. 6 committee: DC Metro officer saw law enforcement support flag amid riots Jane L. Campbell, president of the U.S. Capitol Historical Society, told CNN "the Speaker of the House does not oversee security of the U.S. Capitol, nor does this official oversee the Capitol Police Board." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonmx 2,429 Posted November 22, 2023 34 minutes ago, thegeneral said: Tucker and Fox have no problem paying out if it comes to that? Won’t there be some evidence brought up in this case to prove Epps was a Fed? 60 years later and the FBI/CIA is still hiding information on the JFK assassination. The linkage between Oswald and the CIA did not come out until decades later and they still have not revealed all of it. There is no way to make the FBI reveal information. They can lie in court to protect assets and there is no way to prosecute them. As long as it is to 'protect national security' the FBI/CIA can get away with murder...literally. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,427 Posted November 22, 2023 I think the burning down of a police station in Minneapolis and the ensuing riot is worse than what happened on Jan 6. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
League Champion 1,911 Posted November 22, 2023 8 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: I think the burning down of a police station in Minneapolis and the ensuing riot is worse than what happened on Jan 6. The BLM Riots were FAR WORSE than a bunch of drunks taking selfies in the Capitol. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegeneral 3,209 Posted November 22, 2023 36 minutes ago, jonmx said: 60 years later and the FBI/CIA is still hiding information on the JFK assassination. The linkage between Oswald and the CIA did not come out until decades later and they still have not revealed all of it. There is no way to make the FBI reveal information. They can lie in court to protect assets and there is no way to prosecute them. As long as it is to 'protect national security' the FBI/CIA can get away with murder...literally. Oh boy. So Epps is FBi, but is covered by them of course, the defamation lawsuit is a cover, and Epps as an FBI plant was a lynch pin for rioters that day to make Trump and MAGA look bad? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dozer FBG 325 Posted November 22, 2023 5 minutes ago, League Champion said: The BLM Riots were FAR WORSE than a bunch of drinks taking selfies in the Capitol. Are you aware that 418 J6 defendants have been charged with assaulting officers? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,763 Posted November 22, 2023 1 minute ago, Dozer FBG said: Are you aware that 418 J6 defendants have been charged with assaulting officers? Also there were no BLM riots. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegeneral 3,209 Posted November 22, 2023 How do we know the FBI didn’t have informants in BLM and Antifa to start riots? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
League Champion 1,911 Posted November 22, 2023 1 minute ago, Dozer FBG said: Are you aware that 418 J6 defendants have been charged with assaulting officers? Wait, you're part of the Anti-Police Party. Now you care??? That's absolutely hilarious!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,058 Posted November 22, 2023 2 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said: I don’t think most people on the right are cool with what went down on Jan 6. I think many of us do make a distinction between the violent and destructive ones and the others that followed the crowd. That’s my two cents. Also, Trump didn’t tell them to do violence nor did he coordinate with anyone that did. This case is a farce. Underlined part is definitely fair. I assume prosecutors and the courts have been making the same distinctions, particularly when it comes to sentencing Bolded is just absurd and completely undercuts your effort to play the reasonable man here Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dozer FBG 325 Posted November 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, League Champion said: Wait, you're part of the Anti-Police Party. Now you care??? That's absolutely hilarious!! I’m a big fan of the police. Some of the finest people I’ve ever known work/worked in law enforcement. You are disrespectful to their service. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,058 Posted November 22, 2023 19 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: I think the burning down of a police station in Minneapolis and the ensuing riot is worse than what happened on Jan 6. Many of those people were also charged: https://www.police1.com/george-floyd-protest/articles/man-sentenced-to-4-years-for-minneapolis-police-station-fire-nKd5RboPPFKRy53f/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,763 Posted November 22, 2023 13 minutes ago, thegeneral said: How do we know the FBI didn’t have informants in BLM and Antifa to start riots? Well we know for sure they didn’t have them in BLM because BLM didn’t riot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegeneral 3,209 Posted November 22, 2023 11 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: Well we know for sure they didn’t have them in BLM because BLM didn’t riot. Just riffing here and speaking in general of the various riots that occurred following George Floyd murder and in midst of the pandemic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonmx 2,429 Posted November 22, 2023 15 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: Well we know for sure they didn’t have them in BLM because BLM didn’t riot. A tough list to crack, but that is definitely makes the list of Tim's Top 10 Moronic Hot Takes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
League Champion 1,911 Posted November 22, 2023 20 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: Well we know for sure they didn’t have them in BLM because BLM didn’t riot. Who did, the Feds? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegeneral 3,209 Posted November 22, 2023 9 minutes ago, League Champion said: Who did, the Feds? It’s impossible to say! They caused the Jan 6th riots, amirite?! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonmx 2,429 Posted November 22, 2023 2 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Ok. It’s possible the FBI was there to keep an eye out, not to instigate. No, it is really not. The exact same FBI agents who entrapped people into the plot to kidnap the Michigan governor, were put in charge of this setup. The exact same MO, set up right-wing radicals and bait them into doing something dumb. There is leadership in the FBI which pushes the agenda that right-wing extremism is the biggest threat to America. This was an intentional event setup by the FBI to advance their agenda and take out Trump for good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonmx 2,429 Posted November 22, 2023 18 minutes ago, thegeneral said: It’s impossible to say! They caused the Jan 6th riots, amirite?! For once. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegeneral 3,209 Posted November 22, 2023 These MAGA types are just little helpless children that are led around! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,763 Posted November 22, 2023 1 hour ago, League Champion said: Who did, the Feds? The George Floyd riots were spontaneous, carried out by thugs. They had nothing to do with the organized peaceful protests, occurring hours later. Unlike those protests they were not organized. BLM had nothing to do with them. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegeneral 3,209 Posted November 22, 2023 4 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said: I am taking at face value all of the defending the leftards are doing for this guy. But I am left wondering why he was originally put on the fbi most wanted list and then quickly removed, and why it took them so long to arrest and charge him? He was fairly easy to find. He was the leader of the largest oath keepers chapter in the country. There are some curious aspects to the case, you would have to agree? Epps said once he saw his picture on the list he contacted the FBI. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonmx 2,429 Posted November 22, 2023 8 hours ago, thegeneral said: Epps said once he saw his picture on the list he contacted the FBI. Why wouldn't he call his employer and say WTF. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonmx 2,429 Posted November 22, 2023 8 hours ago, The Real timschochet said: The George Floyd riots were spontaneous, carried out by thugs. They had nothing to do with the organized peaceful protests, occurring hours later. Unlike those protests they were not organized. BLM had nothing to do with them. You are going to die on this moronic hill. Somehow when things got dark, all the BLM protrstors magically turned into pumpkins. I really don't understand the logistics of this of swapping out tens of thousands of protesters with thousands of looters, arsonists and thugs and they will all different people. Really quite amazing. The ghost buses theory is finally making sense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reality 3,121 Posted November 22, 2023 10 hours ago, The Real timschochet said: Well we know for sure they didn’t have them in BLM because BLM didn’t riot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,763 Posted November 22, 2023 56 minutes ago, jonmx said: You are going to die on this moronic hill. Somehow when things got dark, all the BLM protrstors magically turned into pumpkins. I really don't understand the logistics of this of swapping out tens of thousands of protesters with thousands of looters, arsonists and thugs and they will all different people. Really quite amazing. The ghost buses theory is finally making sense. Lol there was no swapping out. The protestors went home. Hours later the riots occurred. It’s not that hard to figure out. The only reason conservatives won’t accept it is that they’re eager to link them all together. Protestor = rioter is a useful tool if you’re opposed to the protests in the first place. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites