And the race to the bottom continues......

[Raven Fan 362]

8 minutes ago, Mike Hunt said:

 

Without a doubt it is a very complex situation.  People think because we watch sports and see black athletes and some announcers, a couple of black reality shows that things are flourishing.  For those few things are.  For the majority of blacks things are actually worse. 

In college I helped out at an almost all black HS.  The cycle of unwed teen mothers that keeps repeating is a cycle that has to be broken as studies show the teen mother and the child's chance of a successful life is very small, some do make it but again that is rare.  Add in the majority of these cases the fathers are not around that compounds the problems.

Look at school studies in urban areas.  In some all black schools we have HS students reading at a 3rd and 4th grade levels.  They get passed through and get out and can`t even fill out a job application.  Again much of this goes back to the home life or lack of.

The education problems are so daunting Right now even with advancements the majority are still generations away. For all of our sakes it needs to get better but that could take decades if ever.

The unwed mother and lack of education problem are poor people problems not black people problems.  Go to a trailer park in Alabama or Mississippi or West Virginia and you'll find the same exact situation.  Only with whites. 

[Raven Fan 362]

6 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Many things were true or not true 60 years ago. If all we do is lament what happened 60, 100, or 160 years ago progress will not happen.

In this nation you can absolutely erase such economic concerns in a generation or two. It is a topic that has been well-covered

If you imbue in people the importance of education, decency, community and hard work you get what you find in the Asian community......if instead you teach people they are put upon, cannot compete and the system is the problem.....you get the AA community.  Every other minority group has figured this out, and succeeds.  The solution is not that complex.

It was but 30 years ago that blacks were openly discriminated against in regard to employment, loans, college acceptance, government representation, etc.  Other minorities did not have to deal with this issue at all AND other minorities came here WILLINGLY and established communities for support.  Completely different scenario than blacks.

But hey, it's certainly easy to blame blacks for all their issues.  It's a major conservative talking point.  Seeing subtlety and nuance isn't exactly a strong suit of conservatives who constantly need a boogeyman to fear or revile. 

[RLLD 4,254]

20 minutes ago, Raven Fan said:

It was but 30 years ago that blacks were openly discriminated against in regard to employment, loans, college acceptance, government representation, etc.  Other minorities did not have to deal with this issue at all AND other minorities came here WILLINGLY and established communities for support.  Completely different scenario than blacks.

But hey, it's certainly easy to blame blacks for all their issues.  It's a major conservative talking point.  Seeing subtlety and nuance isn't exactly a strong suit of conservatives who constantly need a boogeyman to fear or revile. 

No, that is not true, though I know why you bring that up.  The discrimination to which you are referring is the natural discrimination that is applied to all applicants, that it appears to have been disproportionate to an other group is a red herring. It avoid the actual problems and thus ensures they continue, and no amount of system-breaking will fix that problem.  When they tried to do something akin to "fixing" it (subprime) they only made it worse. That is why i was elated when Trump improved the unemployment factors for the AA community and really bolstered their universities....THAT is the fix, and if we can get back to that the final solution will be in play. 

[Mike Hunt 283]

43 minutes ago, Raven Fan said:

The unwed mother and lack of education problem are poor people problems not black people problems.  Go to a trailer park in Alabama or Mississippi or West Virginia and you'll find the same exact situation.  Only with whites. 

I agree, only stating that because of your comment about the obstacles blacks face and that is a huge one, and it is getting worse not better.  Not sure how as a society it can be solved anytime soon.

[TimHauck 2,922]

Guys, Strike really wants to talk about kids at the best school in the country not getting a certificate that told them what score they got on the PSAT!!

[Raven Fan 362]

18 minutes ago, Mike Hunt said:

I agree, only stating that because of your comment about the obstacles blacks face and that is a huge one, and it is getting worse not better.  Not sure how as a society it can be solved anytime soon.

It will take a radical shift in the culture of poor from drugs and a glamorous lifestyle to one of education and hard work. 

[Fireballer 2,643]

2 hours ago, Raven Fan said:

The unwed mother and lack of education problem are poor people problems not black people problems.  Go to a trailer park in Alabama or Mississippi or West Virginia and you'll find the same exact situation.  Only with whites. 

Black females make up approx 6.5% of the population and 30% of unwed mothers.  Yep, just like you said, same exact situation.

[RLLD 4,254]

1 hour ago, Raven Fan said:

It will take a radical shift in the culture of poor from drugs and a glamorous lifestyle to one of education and hard work. 

Agree. And that will not happen overnight.  Unwinding years of cultural neglect across all areas it just not that easy.

[TimHauck 2,922]

18 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Black females make up approx 6.5% of the population and 30% of unwed mothers.  Yep, just like you said, same exact situation.

Who make up the other 70% and how does that compare to the % of rural whites?

[iam90sbaby 2,621]

24 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Black females make up approx 6.5% of the population and 30% of unwed mothers.  Yep, just like you said, same exact situation.

Gotta get dem tax breaks dawg!!!

[Raven Fan 362]

1 hour ago, Fireballer said:

Black females make up approx 6.5% of the population and 30% of unwed mothers.  Yep, just like you said, same exact situation.

Blacks are on average much poorer than whites.  What's the percentage of unwed mothers for those under the poverty line.  That's the real comparison. . 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,515]

Education in this country went to shite since the democrats got a hold of it. 

[Strike 5,594]

Turns out at least two more high schools in the same district also withheld national merit scholarship notifications from students:

https://www.fairfaxtimes.com/articles/area-principals-admit-to-withholding-national-merit-awards-from-students/article_2e5ed028-8f01-11ed-997c-37c69ccfb584.html

Coincidentally, this school district hired a contractor for "equity" training who believes the following:

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“The equity imperative is to give each student what they need to meet equal outcomes. The goal is not equitable outcomes,” Fagbayi said early last year, promoting an identical strategy at a meeting with officials in Princeton Public Schools. A video recording of the April 26, 2022, meeting is posted on YouTube.

“The goal is equal outcomes,” Fagbayi explained. “And what we need to be equitable about is the access. In a very real sense, many districts struggle with this. To have true equity, you have to be purposefully unequal when it comes to resources. I want to say that again because most districts struggle with that. To have an equity-centered organization, we have to have the courage and the willingness to be purposefully unequal when it comes to opportunities and access,”

 

 

[RLLD 4,254]

Purposely unequal when it comes to opportunities and access.....wow....

[Strike 5,594]

Just now, RLLD said:

Purposely unequal when it comes to opportunities and access.....wow....

Personally I don't get it.  They are purposely sabotaging their best students for what purpose?   Makes no sense, but I don't understand a lot of what the left does.   They just want us to become dumber as a society one generation at a time.

[TimHauck 2,922]

Strike seems really upset about kids not getting a certificate with a reminder of what score they got on the PSAT

[TimHauck 2,922]

Here’s an actual example of this:

 

 

[Jeff Probst 59]

Most universities are test optional these days, so they're just following suit for all non athletes

[RLLD 4,254]

On 12/27/2022 at 8:35 AM, Strike said:

Not sure why you all are focused on the Asian aspect of this.  The school is doing it for ALL the kids.  The school just happens to have a significant Asian enrollment, but they have other races as well.  This is more of a participation trophy issue as opposed to racial.  Leave it to Peenie to make it all about race though.  Racists gotta racist. 

I bring it up because these people are successful. And so one now must believe that the "system" has been created in such a way as to harm only one set of people.....its THAT well made.....

Everyone else, no matter who they are.....where they come from.....they manage to achieve success through it....

Additionally....I would note that the ONLY changes being made to the "system" is to lower the standards by which we measure.   If one is a critical thinker, one might look at all this and really wonder what is happening here....

[TBayXXXVII 2,554]

3 hours ago, Jeff Probst said:

Most universities are test optional these days, so they're just following suit for all non athletes

Athletics used to be a secondary aspect of college.  College used to be "Academics first, athletics is a privilege".  Now it's "How much money can we make?"  Soon, colleges and universities won't require athletes (especially those on scholarships), to even go to class.

[Jeff Probst 59]

7 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Athletics used to be a secondary aspect of college.  College used to be "Academics first, athletics is a privilege".  Now it's "How much money can we make?"  Soon, colleges and universities won't require athletes (especially those on scholarships), to even go to class.

Athletic scholarships go back decades, stop with the sky is falling bullsh1t already.  All you wanna do is be outraged about everything.  It's exhausting.

WE CANT HAVE ANY CHANGES TO ANYTHING BECAUSE THAT WILL LEAD TO THE WORLD EXPLODING.

Enough already.

[TimHauck 2,922]

2 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Athletics used to be a secondary aspect of college.  College used to be "Academics first, athletics is a privilege".  Now it's "How much money can we make?"  Soon, colleges and universities won't require athletes (especially those on scholarships), to even go to class.

Maybe for football and basketball, not the other 24 sports

[TBayXXXVII 2,554]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

Maybe for football and basketball, not the other 24 sports

Those 2 sports are the only reason for the new policy.

[TBayXXXVII 2,554]

4 hours ago, Jeff Probst said:

Athletic scholarships go back decades, stop with the sky is falling bullsh1t already.  All you wanna do is be outraged about everything.  It's exhausting.

WE CANT HAVE ANY CHANGES TO ANYTHING BECAUSE THAT WILL LEAD TO THE WORLD EXPLODING.

Enough already.

Triggered!  Don't know wtf you're talking about here.  Who's outraged?  LOL

I'm only stating the obvious with a prediction based on the direction of the NIL's.

[RLLD 4,254]

4 hours ago, Jeff Probst said:

Athletic scholarships go back decades, stop with the sky is falling bullsh1t already.  All you wanna do is be outraged about everything.  It's exhausting.

WE CANT HAVE ANY CHANGES TO ANYTHING BECAUSE THAT WILL LEAD TO THE WORLD EXPLODING.

Enough already.

I think natural/organic change is perfectly fine. I think forced change to meet some absurd metric is not.  The notion that our system has someone emerged into a systemic suppression of people with dark complexion is galactically stupid and ultimately indefensible, hence the abundance of pretzel logic to suggest it. 

The lowering of standards should be as insulting to AA's as the strategic suppression of Asians is to them. And yet it is not.

This notion that AA's are somehow incapable of standing toe-to-toe with every other culture might be true, but only because the AA culture for all its amazing contributions to society is founded on the celebration of being lesser, and thus it encourages it, and that is just what we get.....

Change is needed....but in the system, but instead in the culture and community of our AA's friends. 

[Jeff Probst 59]

4 minutes ago, RLLD said:

This notion that AA's are somehow incapable of standing toe-to-toe with every other culture might be true, but only because the AA culture for all its amazing contributions to society is founded on the celebration of being lesser, and thus it encourages it, and that is just what we get.....

wow

[TimHauck 2,922]

45 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I think natural/organic change is perfectly fine. I think forced change to meet some absurd metric is not.  The notion that our system has someone emerged into a systemic suppression of people with dark complexion is galactically stupid and ultimately indefensible, hence the abundance of pretzel logic to suggest it. 

This notion that AA's are somehow incapable of standing toe-to-toe with every other culture might be true, but only because the AA culture for all its amazing contributions to society is founded on the celebration of being lesser, and thus it encourages it, and that is just what we get.....

Was someone arguing this here?

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

5 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Athletics used to be a secondary aspect of college.  College used to be "Academics first, athletics is a privilege".  Now it's "How much money can we make?"  Soon, colleges and universities won't require athletes (especially those on scholarships), to even go to class.

When, like 40 years ago?

[RLLD 4,254]

1 hour ago, Jeff Probst said:

wow

I accept your surrender 

[RLLD 4,254]

24 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Was someone arguing this here?

I do not understand the question.

[TimHauck 2,922]

6 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I do not understand the question.

Did a poster in the Geek Club say there is currently a “systematic suppression of people with dark complexion” that changes to college athletics will help correct?

[RLLD 4,254]

4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Did a poster in the Geek Club say there is currently a “systematic suppression of people with dark complexion” that changes to college athletics will help correct?

Not to my knowledge.

 

[Jeff Probst 59]

36 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I accept your surrender 

So you're saying that blacks are inferior to other races, but it's only because they like being inferior.

You're a piece of work man.

[RLLD 4,254]

9 minutes ago, Jeff Probst said:

So you're saying that blacks are inferior to other races, but it's only because they like being inferior.

You're a piece of work man.

Interesting that your mind would go there, I am surprised you think about them as a race instead of a culture as I did.  

As a race they are of course equal to anyone else, but as a culture no....they produce fantastic art, but are culturally backwards in behaviors. 

[shadrap 234]

2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Interesting that your mind would go there, I am surprised you think about them as a race instead of a culture as I did.  

As a race they are of course equal to anyone else, but as a culture no....they produce fantastic art, but are culturally backwards in behaviors. 

beware of the new geek self appointed race cop coming soon.  3.....2........1...................

[RLLD 4,254]

1 minute ago, shadrap said:

beware of the new geek self appointed race cop coming soon.  3.....2........1...................

   

[Hardcore troubadour 15,515]

There a many aspects of different cultures I don’t like. Including my own. Buy I don’t think any race is superior.  

[TBayXXXVII 2,554]

16 hours ago, RLLD said:

I accept your surrender 

This is just another example of higher education/liberals, thinking that black people can't be as smart as white people and doing it under the guise of equity and pretending they weren't racist in the 80's.  Back in 1983, the NCAA instituted Prop 48, which is what they're basically getting rid of.  They were pretending that the rule was because grades were dropping for student athletes in the 70's (majority of them white), when what was really happening was that their snobby institutions didn't want to have their reputations besmirched by black athletes who weren't getting good grades.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,515]

Don’t push back on lowering standards. You’re just giving into the culture war. 

[RLLD 4,254]

52 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

This is just another example of higher education/liberals, thinking that black people can't be as smart as white people and doing it under the guise of equity and pretending they weren't racist in the 80's.  Back in 1983, the NCAA instituted Prop 48, which is what they're basically getting rid of.  They were pretending that the rule was because grades were dropping for student athletes in the 70's (majority of them white), when what was really happening was that their snobby institutions didn't want to have their reputations besmirched by black athletes who weren't getting good grades.

Correct.

In those areas celebrated by AA culture we can see the resounding success; music, athletics, violence, criminality 

In those areas not celebrated, or at least held up as virtues, by the culture we can see a lag in performance; academics, professional growth, civil decency