What if China did create/unleash COVID (from a lab)?

[jerryskids 6,829]

42 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Occam’s razor arguably supports the bat theory as that’s how these things have occurred in the past. I think it’s incumbent to “prove” the lab leak to some degree. It is probably far too late for a really good investigation but whatever can be done should be done, and it sounds like US intelligence is doing exactly that.

Fair enough, let me expand upon my position.  The strong possibility that it came from the lab, in combination with lack of cooperation by China, is sufficient to reasonably conclude that it came from the lab.  I've added the cooperation part.  I don't expect them to tell us about everything they research there; we wouldn't do that either.  But they should be willing to have a significant audit/analysis of their methods at a minimum.  In the absence of that, I conclude it came from the lab.  Sound reasonable?

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38 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Occam’s razor arguably supports the bat theory as that’s how these things have occurred in the past. I think it’s incumbent to “prove” the lab leak to some degree. It is probably far too late for a really good investigation but whatever can be done should be done, and it sounds like US intelligence is doing exactly that.

No, it's not.  I'm not going to say with 100% certainty that this virus couldn't have jumped directly from a bat to a human, but the scientists don't believe this.  They believe an intermediate host would be needed where the virus would mutate in to a form that could infect humans.  In the cases of SARS-1 and MERS the intermediate host was identified within 4 months.  With Covid, it's been over a year and there is no evidence of an intermediate host.  For this and several other reasons, the came from a bat theory is very unlikely. 

https://thebulletin.org/2021/05/the-origin-of-covid-did-people-or-nature-open-pandoras-box-at-wuhan/

https://zenodo.org/record/4477081#.YIGAG-hKhPY

[Utilit99 4,099]

Sill laughing at the "what if".

[IGotWorms 4,058]

5 hours ago, Cdub100 said:

Weird how I didn't mention race once one that post, but you yet you automatically knew it was white people responsible for the greatest achievements in history.

It's okay to be proud of your race culture and history.

Like the faggity Proud Boys?

[IGotWorms 4,058]

4 hours ago, Strike said:

No, it's not.  I'm not going to say with 100% certainty that this virus couldn't have jumped directly from a bat to a human, but the scientists don't believe this.  They believe an intermediate host would be needed where the virus would mutate in to a form that could infect humans.  In the cases of SARS-1 and MERS the intermediate host was identified within 4 months.  With Covid, it's been over a year and there is no evidence of an intermediate host.  For this and several other reasons, the came from a bat theory is very unlikely. 

https://thebulletin.org/2021/05/the-origin-of-covid-did-people-or-nature-open-pandoras-box-at-wuhan/

https://zenodo.org/record/4477081#.YIGAG-hKhPY

Right. I had heard that and it is interesting for sure.

So for you guys that have concluded it was a lab release, what do we do about it? 

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1 minute ago, IGotWorms said:

Right. I had heard that and it is interesting for sure.

So for you guys that have concluded it was a lab release, what do we do about it? 

I thought this was the reason we created an international entity that all counties would choose to belong to.  I think it's called the.......United Nations.  Wouldn't this be better handled by them?  And, if they choose not to handle it, maybe it's time we chose not to be involved with that organization.  See, this stuff all cascades together.  And people such as myself have been harping on the uselessness of the U.N. for a lot of years.  It puts us in a bind in a situation such as this when that organization doesn't live up to it's responsibilities.  And it's unbelievable that no one is talking about the U.N. shirking of their responsibility, not to mention the WHO letting China dictate how they handled the pandemic as well.  And let's not forget that Biden said a year ago in his criticism of Trump's handling of Covid that if he were President we'd already have all our experts on the ground in China demanding answers!!!  So why isn't he doing that now? 

[Utilit99 4,099]

45 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Like the faggity Proud Boys?

Wow. A phag calls others phags.

Wierd.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

4 hours ago, Strike said:

I thought this was the reason we created an international entity that all counties would choose to belong to.  I think it's called the.......United Nations.  Wouldn't this be better handled by them?  And, if they choose not to handle it, maybe it's time we chose not to be involved with that organization.  See, this stuff all cascades together.  And people such as myself have been harping on the uselessness of the U.N. for a lot of years.  It puts us in a bind in a situation such as this when that organization doesn't live up to it's responsibilities.  And it's unbelievable that no one is talking about the U.N. shirking of their responsibility, not to mention the WHO letting China dictate how they handled the pandemic as well.  And let's not forget that Biden said a year ago in his criticism of Trump's handling of Covid that if he were President we'd already have all our experts on the ground in China demanding answers!!!  So why isn't he doing that now? 

Yeah I can see you’re maintaining an open mind

You point to international action and I agree. But we need some proof before we’re getting many others on board. Probably very hard to put together at this point but that’s the task IMO

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8 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

Yeah I can see you’re maintaining an open mind

You point to international action and I agree. But we need some proof before we’re getting many others on board. Probably very hard to put together at this point but that’s the task IMO

Since we are going full on conspiracy.  I believe we already have the proof, but we are too weak to present it against our Chinese masters. Biden will continue this dog and pony investigation, then he will shut it down citing no evidence found and the lib media go on the attack against anyone who says otherwise.  It's been the general M.O. for years now.

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10 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

Yeah I can see you’re maintaining an open mind

You point to international action and I agree. But we need some proof before we’re getting many others on board. Probably very hard to put together at this point but that’s the task IMO

There's plenty of proof.  I just posted two credible links.  I suspect you didn't even read them.  And you wonder why people don't want to try to engage with you intellectually.  In order to that, both sides have to do it honestly.  Unlike you, I provide evidence to back up my claims.  You keep saying there isn't proof but that's just a talking point.  ALL the proof points to lab release of the virus, and NONE points to it being a natural occurrence.

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49 minutes ago, Strike said:

There's plenty of proof.  I just posted two credible links.  I suspect you didn't even read them.  And you wonder why people don't want to try to engage with you intellectually.  In order to that, both sides have to do it honestly.  Unlike you, I provide evidence to back up my claims.  You keep saying there isn't proof but that's just a talking point.  ALL the proof points to lab release of the virus, and NONE points to it being a natural occurrence.

An "open mind" to worms is just take his word for it.

[Voltaire 5,317]

2 hours ago, Strike said:

There's plenty of proof.  I just posted two credible links.  I suspect you didn't even read them.  And you wonder why people don't want to try to engage with you intellectually.  In order to that, both sides have to do it honestly.  Unlike you, I provide evidence to back up my claims.  You keep saying there isn't proof but that's just a talking point.  ALL the proof points to lab release of the virus, and NONE points to it being a natural occurrence.

I also have noticed how he regularly doesn’t read primary sources. 

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20 hours ago, Strike said:

I thought this was the reason we created an international entity that all counties would choose to belong to.  I think it's called the.......United Nations.  Wouldn't this be better handled by them?  And, if they choose not to handle it, maybe it's time we chose not to be involved with that organization.  See, this stuff all cascades together.  And people such as myself have been harping on the uselessness of the U.N. for a lot of years.  It puts us in a bind in a situation such as this when that organization doesn't live up to it's responsibilities.  And it's unbelievable that no one is talking about the U.N. shirking of their responsibility, not to mention the WHO letting China dictate how they handled the pandemic as well.  And let's not forget that Biden said a year ago in his criticism of Trump's handling of Covid that if he were President we'd already have all our experts on the ground in China demanding answers!!!  So why isn't he doing that now? 

This is what I’m talking about, dummy. You just want to play your usual angry right wing blame game whereas I’m asking what we should actually DO about it. Got it?

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2 hours ago, Voltaire said:

I also have noticed how he regularly doesn’t read primary sources. 

I’ve noticed you’re a passive-aggressive b1tch

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1 hour ago, IGotWorms said:

This is what I’m talking about, dummy. You just want to play your usual angry right wing blame game whereas I’m asking what we should actually DO about it. Got it?

The entities I called out are the ones who can do something about it.  Hence, why I called them out.  God you're a focking idiot.

[Voltaire 5,317]

8 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

I’ve noticed you’re a passive-aggressive b1tch

I've also noticed that you are not willing to engage in an intelligent discussion and may not be capable of doing so.

[TimHauck 2,906]

On 5/31/2021 at 12:34 PM, Strike said:

No, it's not.  I'm not going to say with 100% certainty that this virus couldn't have jumped directly from a bat to a human, but the scientists don't believe this.  They believe an intermediate host would be needed where the virus would mutate in to a form that could infect humans.  In the cases of SARS-1 and MERS the intermediate host was identified within 4 months.  With Covid, it's been over a year and there is no evidence of an intermediate host.  For this and several other reasons, the came from a bat theory is very unlikely. 

https://thebulletin.org/2021/05/the-origin-of-covid-did-people-or-nature-open-pandoras-box-at-wuhan/

https://zenodo.org/record/4477081#.YIGAG-hKhPY

There's plenty of proof.  I just posted two credible links.  I suspect you didn't even read them.  And you wonder why people don't want to try to engage with you intellectually.  In order to that, both sides have to do it honestly.  Unlike you, I provide evidence to back up my claims.  You keep saying there isn't proof but that's just a talking point.  ALL the proof points to lab release of the virus, and NONE points to it being a natural occurrence.

That first one is 193 pages, do you have cliff's notes?

Direct quote from the second: "The evidence above adds up to a serious case that the SARS2 virus could have been created in a lab, from which it then escaped. But the case, however substantial, falls short of proof."

 

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

On 6/1/2021 at 5:41 AM, Strike said:

I thought this was the reason we created an international entity that all counties would choose to belong to.  I think it's called the.......United Nations.  Wouldn't this be better handled by them?  And, if they choose not to handle it, maybe it's time we chose not to be involved with that organization.  See, this stuff all cascades together.  And people such as myself have been harping on the uselessness of the U.N. for a lot of years.  It puts us in a bind in a situation such as this when that organization doesn't live up to it's responsibilities.  And it's unbelievable that no one is talking about the U.N. shirking of their responsibility, not to mention the WHO letting China dictate how they handled the pandemic as well.  And let's not forget that Biden said a year ago in his criticism of Trump's handling of Covid that if he were President we'd already have all our experts on the ground in China demanding answers!!!  So why isn't he doing that now? 

Why not let the un handle it?

 

Probably because China is one of the powers that holds a UN veto...

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2 hours ago, titans&bucs&bearsohmy! said:

Why not let the un handle it?

 

Probably because China is one of the powers that holds a UN veto...

They hold a security council veto.  I don't think we're talking security council stuff here.  Point is, if the U.N. can't or won't get to the bottom of this what good are they?

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On 5/29/2021 at 6:34 PM, Utilit99 said:

 

 Remember this?? 

Anthony Fauci just crushed Donald Trump's theory on the origins of the coronavirus

Analysis by Chris Cillizza, CNN Editor-at-large

Updated 3:09 PM ET, Tue May 5, 2020

 

(CNN)For weeks now, President Donald Trump has been making the case that the coronavirus originated not in nature but in a lab in Wuhan, China. He said late last week that he had a "high degree of confidence" that was what happened (although he didn't specify why he felt that way) and on Sunday night in a Fox town hall offered cryptically "something happened."

 

Enter Anthony Fauci, the head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease and perhaps the single most prominent doctor in the world at the moment. In an interview with National Geographic posted on Monday night, Fauci was definitive about the origins of the virus which has sickened more than a million Americans and killed more than 68,000:

"If you look at the evolution of the virus in bats and what's out there now, [the scientific evidence] is very, very strongly leaning toward this could not have been artificially or deliberately manipulated ... Everything about the stepwise evolution over time strongly indicates that [this virus] evolved in nature and then jumped species."

 

Now, before we play the game of "he said, he said" remember this: Only one of these two people is a world-renowned infectious disease expert. And it's not Donald Trump.

In short, Fauci's view on the origins of the disease matters a whole lot more than Trump's opinion about where it came from. Especially because, outside of Trump and his immediate inner circle, most people in a position to know are very, very skeptical of the Trump narrative that the virus came out of a lab -- whether accidentally or on purpose.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/05/politics/fauci-trump-coronavirus-wuhan-lab/index.html

 

We lived through these blatant lies just to elect Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. If they were going to go all out to rig the election,  why not someone competent?