What if China did create/unleash COVID (from a lab)?

[IGotWorms 4,058]

10 hours ago, Utilit99 said:

I don't get the "What if..." part of this thread.

Do you have proof? If so, Congress might like to hear from you

[Reality 3,121]

Have to love how this conversation has evolved over the past year +. Posted this in the Covid thread but, belongs here as well. Prepare to be disgusted by our media.

 

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21 hours ago, Reality said:

Have to love how this conversation has evolved over the past year +. Posted this in the Covid thread but, belongs here as well. Prepare to be disgusted by our media.

 

Clearly the media f’d up here, but I don’t think it was because of “TDS” if that’s what some are claiming.  

To me it mostly just seems like they were duped by some of the early statements from “scientists.”  Of course one of these was the letter that we now know was drafted by a dude with a pretty big conflict of interest.  Some background here - https://nicholaswade.medium.com/origin-of-covid-following-the-clues-6f03564c038

In fact, early on, Trump praised China while Biden (who was still in a primary race) doubted them. There was definitely some politicizing of it as some of the loudest initial comments came from Tom Cotton, but seemed like even he was trying to persuade Trump with his comments.  I think this article was posted here - https://www.slowboring.com/p/the-medias-lab-leak-fiasco

As far as I can tell Trump didn’t really get on board with the lab leak theory until late April/early May - https://www.adn.com/nation-world/2021/05/26/timeline-how-the-wuhan-lab-leak-theory-suddenly-became-credible/ - this was of course after it became a crisis in the US so IMO it was more about him trying to shift blame.   IMO, most voters knew that wherever it came from, it wasn’t Trump’s fault that it got here in the first place.   What was his fault for the most part though was his handling of it.

All that said, yes more of the media should at least admit they were wrong...

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22 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

Do you have proof? If so, Congress might like to hear from you

If you've been reading the various deep dive investigative news reports these last couple of weeks, the bat-eating theory that this arose naturally is making less and less sense. It seems that we've moved into the 'beyond a reasonable doubt' phase at this point. I know I'm fully convinced.

I don't rightly recall the name of the journalist that busted the story,  previously, he had been the science editor at the former newspaper, New York Times, from back when that media outlet had a repuation for reliablitiy and editors there still subscribeded to professional ethics and journalistic standards. Two weeks ago, he wrote a thorough and damning article that laid out a great case for lab leak hypothesis that laid the basework for Dr. Fauci's reversal on the issue this week.

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11 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

If you've been reading the various deep dive investigative news reports these last couple of weeks, the bat-eating theory that this arose naturally is making less and less sense. It seems that we've moved into the 'beyond a reasonable doubt' phase at this point. I know I'm fully convinced.

I don't rightly recall the name of the journalist that busted the story,  previously, he had been the science editor at the former newspaper, New York Times, from back when that media outlet had a repuation for reliablitiy and editors there still subscribeded to professional ethics and journalistic standards. Two weeks ago, he wrote a thorough and damning article that laid out a great case for lab leak hypothesis that laid the basework for Dr. Fauci's reversal on the issue this week.

You may be referring to Nicholas Wade which was one of my links in the post above (may have been posted somewhere here previously).

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16 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

You may be referring to Nicholas Wade which was one of my links in the post above (may have been posted somewhere here previously).

Yes. I posted a link to the story two weeks ago, somewhere, likely buried and forgotten a few pages back in the doomsday thread.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

5 hours ago, Voltaire said:

If you've been reading the various deep dive investigative news reports these last couple of weeks, the bat-eating theory that this arose naturally is making less and less sense. It seems that we've moved into the 'beyond a reasonable doubt' phase at this point. I know I'm fully convinced.

I don't rightly recall the name of the journalist that busted the story,  previously, he had been the science editor at the former newspaper, New York Times, from back when that media outlet had a repuation for reliablitiy and editors there still subscribeded to professional ethics and journalistic standards. Two weeks ago, he wrote a thorough and damning article that laid out a great case for lab leak hypothesis that laid the basework for Dr. Fauci's reversal on the issue this week.

I know there’s a good case but don’t we need some degree of real certainty? If we can be reasonably certain then it seems like some action MUST be taken against China, some worldwide condemnation of some sort. But before taking such a big step it seems to me like we need something bordering on proof

[Reality 3,121]

10 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Clearly the media f’d up here, but I don’t think it was because of “TDS” if that’s what some are claiming.  

To me it mostly just seems like they were duped by some of the early statements from “scientists.”  Of course one of these was the letter that we now know was drafted by a dude with a pretty big conflict of interest.  Some background here - https://nicholaswade.medium.com/origin-of-covid-following-the-clues-6f03564c038

In fact, early on, Trump praised China while Biden (who was still in a primary race) doubted them. There was definitely some politicizing of it as some of the loudest initial comments came from Tom Cotton, but seemed like even he was trying to persuade Trump with his comments.  I think this article was posted here - https://www.slowboring.com/p/the-medias-lab-leak-fiasco

As far as I can tell Trump didn’t really get on board with the lab leak theory until late April/early May - https://www.adn.com/nation-world/2021/05/26/timeline-how-the-wuhan-lab-leak-theory-suddenly-became-credible/ - this was of course after it became a crisis in the US so IMO it was more about him trying to shift blame.   IMO, most voters knew that wherever it came from, it wasn’t Trump’s fault that it got here in the first place.   What was his fault for the most part though was his handling of it.

All that said, yes more of the media should at least admit they were wrong...

You are incredibly naive.

[Utilit99 4,099]

3 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

I know there’s a good case but don’t we need some degree of real certainty? If we can be reasonably certain then it seems like some action MUST be taken against China, some worldwide condemnation of some sort. But before taking such a big step it seems to me like we need something bordering on proof

 

 Remember this?? 

Anthony Fauci just crushed Donald Trump's theory on the origins of the coronavirus

Analysis by Chris Cillizza, CNN Editor-at-large

Updated 3:09 PM ET, Tue May 5, 2020

 

(CNN)For weeks now, President Donald Trump has been making the case that the coronavirus originated not in nature but in a lab in Wuhan, China. He said late last week that he had a "high degree of confidence" that was what happened (although he didn't specify why he felt that way) and on Sunday night in a Fox town hall offered cryptically "something happened."

 

Enter Anthony Fauci, the head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease and perhaps the single most prominent doctor in the world at the moment. In an interview with National Geographic posted on Monday night, Fauci was definitive about the origins of the virus which has sickened more than a million Americans and killed more than 68,000:

"If you look at the evolution of the virus in bats and what's out there now, [the scientific evidence] is very, very strongly leaning toward this could not have been artificially or deliberately manipulated ... Everything about the stepwise evolution over time strongly indicates that [this virus] evolved in nature and then jumped species."

 

Now, before we play the game of "he said, he said" remember this: Only one of these two people is a world-renowned infectious disease expert. And it's not Donald Trump.

In short, Fauci's view on the origins of the disease matters a whole lot more than Trump's opinion about where it came from. Especially because, outside of Trump and his immediate inner circle, most people in a position to know are very, very skeptical of the Trump narrative that the virus came out of a lab -- whether accidentally or on purpose.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/05/politics/fauci-trump-coronavirus-wuhan-lab/index.html

 

[Cdub100 3,929]

On 5/26/2021 at 5:18 PM, JustinCharge said:

Ever get the feeling that humans are not an intelligent fire form?  That we are not mature enough to handle hyper advanced weaponry?  We're just lucky there hasn't been a global nuclear war yet.  We're not good.  We're just lucky.

Some are. Never forget we went for a 16 second flight to landing a man on the moon in 66 years. We where well on our way to exploring the stars. Then the 1965 immigration policy change. We started electing officials who pandered to the weakest and dumbest of us. Pretty soon instead of pushing higher standards we dumb them down. We punish the truly gifted people and make it hard for them to succeed while giving hand outs to the losers for their entire lifetimes.

No, we are mature enough and ready to make that leap. Instead we've been dragged back into the mud. By those less capable. All because they used our natural instincts of cooperation against us.

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11 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Clearly the media f’d up here, but I don’t think it was because of “TDS” if that’s what some are claiming.  

To me it mostly just seems like they were duped by some of the early statements from “scientists.”  Of course one of these was the letter that we now know was drafted by a dude with a pretty big conflict of interest.  Some background here - https://nicholaswade.medium.com/origin-of-covid-following-the-clues-6f03564c038

In fact, early on, Trump praised China while Biden (who was still in a primary race) doubted them. There was definitely some politicizing of it as some of the loudest initial comments came from Tom Cotton, but seemed like even he was trying to persuade Trump with his comments.  I think this article was posted here - https://www.slowboring.com/p/the-medias-lab-leak-fiasco

As far as I can tell Trump didn’t really get on board with the lab leak theory until late April/early May - https://www.adn.com/nation-world/2021/05/26/timeline-how-the-wuhan-lab-leak-theory-suddenly-became-credible/ - this was of course after it became a crisis in the US so IMO it was more about him trying to shift blame.   IMO, most voters knew that wherever it came from, it wasn’t Trump’s fault that it got here in the first place.   What was his fault for the most part though was his handling of it.

All that said, yes more of the media should at least admit they were wrong...

Ben Shapiro played a clip of someone from CNN saying that because Trump was pushing the theory they were inclined to dismiss it.  If I find it I'll post it, but you might imagine it isn't on prominent display on cnn.com.

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5 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

I know there’s a good case but don’t we need some degree of real certainty? If we can be reasonably certain then it seems like some action MUST be taken against China, some worldwide condemnation of some sort. But before taking such a big step it seems to me like we need something bordering on proof

China will absolutely not cooperate, so we will never have "real certainty."  What Occam's Razor provides in this case is, as you state, "reasonable certainty."  I've been saying since last spring, gee let's see, the virus either (1) came out of the lab in that very city that was doing gain of function research on these exact viruses, or (2) came from some bat pooping on some pangolin then some witchcraft then the animals were scurried 1000 miles to Wuhan.  I mean, this is not rocket surgery.   

[Utilit99 4,099]

9 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

China will absolutely not cooperate, so we will never have "real certainty."  What Occam's Razor provides in this case is, as you state, "reasonable certainty."  I've been saying since last spring, gee let's see, the virus either (1) came out of the lab in that very city that was doing gain of function research on these exact viruses, or (2) came from some bat pooping on some pangolin then some witchcraft then the animals were scurried 1000 miles to Wuhan.  I mean, this is not rocket surgery.   

Trump had it right. Fauci had it wrong. 

Liberals are still losers. 

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9 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

Trump had it right. Fauci had it wrong. 

Liberals are still losers. 

Well, to say Fauci had it wrong somewhat implies that he believed what he was saying when he said it didn't come from the lab.  I happen to believe he was lying, as he is wont to do.

[TimHauck 2,906]

25 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Ben Shapiro played a clip of someone from CNN saying that because Trump was pushing the theory they were inclined to dismiss it.  If I find it I'll post it, but you might imagine it isn't on prominent display on cnn.com.

My point was it seemed the media had formed their opinion (that the lab leak theory was a conspiracy) before Trump had even got on board with it.  But yes, once he did they certainly didn’t mind talking about him “promoting conspiracy theories.”

[TimHauck 2,906]

13 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

Trump had it right. Fauci had it wrong. 

Liberals are still losers. 

Tom Cotton was right.  Trump hopped on like 3 months later

[wiffleball 4,790]

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1 hour ago, Utilit99 said:

Trump had it right. Fauci had it wrong. 

Liberals are still losers. 

You mean the part about ingesting cleaning supplies? Or Sunshine kills the virus? Or how it would just disappear like a miracle, it's amazing!"

[tubby_mcgee 701]

I have NOT read this thread.  But...I'm guessing...here and everywhere ... liberals will arguing on the side of the China.   It goes along with my "its the US vs the liberals" theory. 

Anyone find any anti-American's defending China?

 

 

[Utilit99 4,099]

37 minutes ago, wiffleball said:

You mean the part about ingesting cleaning supplies? Or Sunshine kills the virus? Or how it would just disappear like a miracle, it's amazing!"

Trump got the vaccine out in less than a year. Light speed dooshbag. 

Trump was right, fauci wrong bltch. 

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16 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

Trump got the vaccine out in less than a year. Light speed dooshbag. 

Trump was right, fauci wrong bltch. 

Uh huh.

[TimHauck 2,906]

19 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

Trump got the vaccine out in less than a year. Light speed dooshbag. 

Trump was right, fauci wrong bltch. 

Did you take the vaccine?

[Utilit99 4,099]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Did you take the vaccine?

Does it matter?

[Utilit99 4,099]

20 minutes ago, wiffleball said:

Uh huh.

When was the last time a vaccine for a major pandemic came out in less than one year?

[wiffleball 4,790]

21 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

When was the last time a vaccine for a major pandemic came out in less than one year?

Name  me one specific piece of legislation that he authored and forced through that made vaccine come out faster.

 

And then seriously, get a life. You f****** weirdo. Magnificent hardon or whateverthe f*** you are. God damn man you are the worst f****** stalker here.

 

Add some value, add some hilarity, or just wait for your mom to bring you more meatloaf.

[Utilit99 4,099]

42 minutes ago, wiffleball said:

Name  me one specific piece of legislation that he authored and forced through that made vaccine come out faster.

 

And then seriously, get a life. You f****** weirdo. Magnificent hardon or whateverthe f*** you are. God damn man you are the worst f****** stalker here.

 

Add some value, add some hilarity, or just wait for your mom to bring you more meatloaf.

Struck a TDS nerve in you. 

And you got nothing. Same as always coming from you. 

Stalker? You replied to me. I simply responded. 

[TimHauck 2,906]

7 hours ago, Utilit99 said:

Does it matter?

If not, I hope it has nothing to with potential side effects from it.  Otherwise it would seem like an odd thing to celebrate Trump for.

(I think Trump deserves a lot of credit for the vaccine, which is basically the reason jerryskids can now go to the bedding store without a mask.  But don’t congratulate Trump for the vaccine and then turn around and claim it’s killing people.)

[jerryskids 6,829]

13 hours ago, wiffleball said:

You mean the part about ingesting cleaning supplies? Or Sunshine kills the virus? Or how it would just disappear like a miracle, it's amazing!"

You do realize that Vitamin D, which comes from sunshine, likely helps with Covid, right?   

[Utilit99 4,099]

4 hours ago, TimHauck said:

If not, I hope it has nothing to with potential side effects from it.  Otherwise it would seem like an odd thing to celebrate Trump for.

(I think Trump deserves a lot of credit for the vaccine, which is basically the reason jerryskids can now go to the bedding store without a mask.  But don’t congratulate Trump for the vaccine and then turn around and claim it’s killing people.)

People know the risks. They can take it or not. I would not push people into taking it or not taking it. The loony left though has mayors put on tv telling people they can get a hamburger if they get the shot. "The shot is starting to seem pretty tasty right now." 

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Trumpers like to credit Trump with finding a vaccine they won’t take for a disease they don’t believe in.

Trump logic.  

[TimHauck 2,906]

35 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

People know the risks. They can take it or not. I would not push people into taking it or not taking it. The loony left though has mayors put on tv telling people they can get a hamburger if they get the shot. "The shot is starting to seem pretty tasty right now." 

So you agree that the trial length was sufficient, cool.

[Utilit99 4,099]

6 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

So you agree that the trial length was sufficient, cool.

I agree that people should ask their doctor's opinion or other people they trust about the subject. 

Just like any other drug they take or don't take for whatever reasons.

[Utilit99 4,099]

51 minutes ago, MDC said:

Trumpers like to credit Trump with finding a vaccine they won’t take for a disease they don’t believe in.

Trump logic.  

Trump voters think independently as opposed to the liberal collective. 

That's Trump logic. 

This is liberal collective borg logic:

"When you think of vaccinations, think of this. Mmmmmmm. Vaccinations. I'm getting a very good feeling." 

You liberal retards never stop showing it off how retarded you all are. 

 

[TimHauck 2,906]

28 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

I agree that people should ask their doctor's opinion or other people they trust about the subject. 

Just like any other drug they take or don't take for whatever reasons.

Okay that’s fair.  Wasn’t sure if you were on the the vaccine is an instrument for depopulation train.

[Utilit99 4,099]

6 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Okay that’s fair.  Wasn’t sure if you were on the the vaccine is an instrument for depopulation train.

I think if anything, the scare tactics are the worst part of this whole pandemic. The fact that kids have not been in school for a long while now is a tragedy that could have easily been handled a long time ago.

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2 hours ago, Utilit99 said:

I think if anything, the scare tactics are the worst part of this whole pandemic. The fact that kids have not been in school for a long while now is a tragedy that could have easily been handled a long time ago.

But then the unions couldn't use kids as pawns.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

On 5/29/2021 at 4:58 PM, jerryskids said:

China will absolutely not cooperate, so we will never have "real certainty."  What Occam's Razor provides in this case is, as you state, "reasonable certainty."  I've been saying since last spring, gee let's see, the virus either (1) came out of the lab in that very city that was doing gain of function research on these exact viruses, or (2) came from some bat pooping on some pangolin then some witchcraft then the animals were scurried 1000 miles to Wuhan.  I mean, this is not rocket surgery.   

Occam’s razor arguably supports the bat theory as that’s how these things have occurred in the past. I think it’s incumbent to “prove” the lab leak to some degree. It is probably far too late for a really good investigation but whatever can be done should be done, and it sounds like US intelligence is doing exactly that.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

On 5/29/2021 at 7:14 PM, tubby_mcgee said:

I have NOT read this thread.  But...I'm guessing...here and everywhere ... liberals will arguing on the side of the China.   It goes along with my "its the US vs the liberals" theory. 

Anyone find any anti-American's defending China?

 

 

Well you should generally read things before commenting as you’ll sound less ignorant, and in this case I don’t think you’ll find anyone “defending China”

[IGotWorms 4,058]

On 5/29/2021 at 3:54 PM, Cdub100 said:

Some are. Never forget we went for a 16 second flight to landing a man on the moon in 66 years. We where well on our way to exploring the stars. Then the 1965 immigration policy change. We started electing officials who pandered to the weakest and dumbest of us. Pretty soon instead of pushing higher standards we dumb them down. We punish the truly gifted people and make it hard for them to succeed while giving hand outs to the losers for their entire lifetimes.

No, we are mature enough and ready to make that leap. Instead we've been dragged back into the mud. By those less capable. All because they used our natural instincts of cooperation against us.

What is a white supremacist’s view of history for $1000, Alex

[Cdub100 3,929]

11 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

What is a white supremacist’s view of history for $1000, Alex

Weird how I didn't mention race once one that post, but you yet you automatically knew it was white people responsible for the greatest achievements in history.

It's okay to be proud of your race culture and history.