Why do we have a vaccine against a virus?

[GutterBoy 2,898]

Just now, nobody said:

By the way, folks.  People like to throw out that term gaslighting, but this is gaslighting.

The administration and CDC and Pfizer all said you wouldn't get covid.  

Everyone still got covid.

Now gutter wants to point to vaccines that have 97% effectivity and say, guys no vaccine is perfect, and no one said you wouldn't get covid. 

If there was a bonus in it for him, he'd tell you cyanide is good for you.  He's no different than the tobacco companies.

This is what happens to dumb, gullible people that spend too much time online.

[nobody 2,559]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

This is what happens to dumb, gullible people that spend too much time online.

You keep acting like this story has been consistent.  It hasn't.  

The administration in conjunction with the CDC and Pfizer misrepresented the efficacy.  Fact.

They did it to coerce people into taking the jabs.  You got a big bonus from it.  Congrats.

Now you want to use a bunch of semantics and technicalities to say people should've known the stated efficacy was BS.  Well I did know, and people like you denied it at the time.  

And here's where you post BS about strains again.  Guess what?  When people like me were saying the shots aren't preventing covid, you should've said all this then.  But you didn't because your overlords didn't feed you the narrative yet.

[GutterBoy 2,898]

4 minutes ago, nobody said:

You keep acting like this story has been consistent.  It hasn't.  

The administration in conjunction with the CDC and Pfizer misrepresented the efficacy.  Fact.

They did it to coerce people into taking the jabs.  You got a big bonus from it.  Congrats.

Now you want to use a bunch of semantics and technicalities to say people should've known the stated efficacy was BS.  Well I did know, and people like you denied it at the time.  

And here's where you post BS about strains again.  Guess what?  When people like me were saying the shots aren't preventing covid, you should've said all this then.  But you didn't because your overlords didn't feed you the narrative yet.

I think you have me confused with someone else.  I don't work for Pfizer, never have, I never got a bonus from a vaccine.  I was not even pro vaccine until I saw how it brought an end to the pandemic.  I'm not playing semantics, it's you that is trying to say a vaccine is not a vaccine, it's a shot.

The stated efficacy was not BS, it was proven in the clinical trial.  Again, unless you want to say the clinical trial was cooked, then stop lying about the results.

And I never denied that politicians misrepresented anything, the absolutely did.  Was it the wrong thing?  I'm not so sure, because getting more vaccines in people helped stop covid, no regrets.

[nobody 2,559]

You know how they have those sympathizers when a country is being occupied.  Some members of the native population start working for the occupiers because they get an extra ration of rice or something.

That's gutter.  We would never be invaded, but if somehow Canada took over the US, gutter would be swallowing that Canadian jizz and ratting out his neighbors for that extra maple syrup and then as all occupiers do, when Canada would start rewriting history, gutter would be telling everyone that's how it's always been.

Thank God, gutter's neighbors will never have to suffer that betrayal since no one could invade the US, but it's still sad to see.

[Horseman 2,357]

56 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

And yes people said that if you got the vaccine then you won't get covid, that was wrong then, it should have never been communicated that way.  I also don't understand why you people still cry about it.

9 vaccinated players from the same baseball team all contracted covid and they referred to it as a "breakthrough" case, like it wasn't normal that the "vaccine" didn't provide immunity.  After that only the rubes kept buying what they were selling.  

[GutterBoy 2,898]

37 minutes ago, nobody said:

You know how they have those sympathizers when a country is being occupied.  Some members of the native population start working for the occupiers because they get an extra ration of rice or something.

That's gutter.  We would never be invaded, but if somehow Canada took over the US, gutter would be swallowing that Canadian jizz and ratting out his neighbors for that extra maple syrup and then as all occupiers do, when Canada would start rewriting history, gutter would be telling everyone that's how it's always been.

Thank God, gutter's neighbors will never have to suffer that betrayal since no one could invade the US, but it's still sad to see.

You have a wild imagination.

You know you've gone off the deep end when you compare supporting vaccinations to drinking the semen of attacking invaders. 

Sadly this is what has happened to the weak minds of the indoctrinated. 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

11 minutes ago, Horseman said:

9 vaccinated players from the same baseball team all contracted covid and they referred to it as a "breakthrough" case, like it wasn't normal that the "vaccine" didn't provide immunity.  After that only the rubes kept buying what they were selling.  

A "breakthrough" case by definition is when someone contracts the virus after vaccination, and that's what happened.  Don't act like it's some grand conspiracy theory.  And it was to be expected as that particular J&J vaccine wasn't very effective in clinical trials at preventing symptomatic illness.  8 of the 9 were asymptomatic, so yeah it's not some shocker as to what happened.

[Horseman 2,357]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

A "breakthrough" case by definition is when someone contracts the virus after vaccination, and that's what happened.  Don't act like it's some grand conspiracy theory.  And it was to be expected as that particular J&J vaccine wasn't very effective in clinical trials at preventing symptomatic illness.  8 of the 9 were asymptomatic, so yeah it's not some shocker as to what happened.

Breakthrough.     Should have called it a side effect.  

[TBayXXXVII 2,482]

At best, King Troll is wasting a lot of peoples time... at worst, he's the biggest moron on the board.  I'm not sure which to go with.

[TimHauck 2,610]

20 minutes ago, Horseman said:

9 vaccinated players from the same baseball team all contracted covid and they referred to it as a "breakthrough" case, like it wasn't normal that the "vaccine" didn't provide immunity.  After that only the rubes kept buying what they were selling.  

They got the J&J vaccine which was only 66% effective in the trials.

[GutterBoy 2,898]

6 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

At best, King Troll is wasting a lot of peoples time... at worst, he's the biggest moron on the board.  I'm not sure which to go with.

Vaccine Bad!  Orange Man Fix Everything!

[TimHauck 2,610]

3 hours ago, nobody said:

Preach. 

The widely accepted premise and the one espoused by the administration when they were forcing people to take the shot so they could justify making Pfizer billions was that if you took this shot you wouldn't get covid and you wouldn't spread covid.  And if you didn't take this shot, you would suffer a winter of severe illness and death and kill grandmas.

When all that was proven to be complete BS, they tried to just change the language to make themselves correct in some way.

5 years ago all these Pfizer shills would've said that in general, a vaccine would confer immunity.  The CDC obviously would've said that, but instead of just saying they overreached they reached for technicalities to claim they were right the whole time.  Then an army of shills argued it on their behalf.  

So now instead of just acknowledging that they were wrong with what they forcefed the public, and holding them accountable, we'll all be distracted by the shills arguing semantics on their behalf and keep shoveling tax dollars into pfizer's balance sheet.

 

Two things can be true at once.   

1) The covid vaccine was not as good as we were first told

2) It was still pretty darn good.

 

Also friendly reminder, if you all are not calling what you get from the vaccine "immunity," then you don't get immunity from being infected either.

[TBayXXXVII 2,482]

17 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Vaccine Bad!  Orange Man Fix Everything!

Based on this response, I'm going to say "both".

[TimHauck 2,610]

22 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Vaccine Bad!  Orange Man Fix Everything!

The guy you're replying to thinks Trump should get some credit if the vaccine is good, but shouldn't get any blame if the vaccine is bad.    Although not sure if he's given an actual opinion on which he thinks it is.

[GutterBoy 2,898]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

The guy you're replying to thinks Trump should get some credit if the vaccine is good, but shouldn't get any blame if the vaccine is bad.    Although not sure if he's given an actual opinion on which he thinks it is.

He's also the guy that was told by his GF that they are now engaged, and the engagement party is the following weekend, the weekend he planned to hang out with the guys.

[jerryskids 6,559]

5 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

The truth is that the original vaccine clinical trials showed it to be 95% effective against symptomatic covid.  Unless you are gonna say that the clinical trials were cooked, then we have to accept this as fact.  What happened after this is that the virus mutated and the vaccine proved less effective against the new strains, and the real world protection waned pretty quickly.  But the health officials didn't communicate this effectively, due to a mix of incompetency and also acknowledging that the public is largely stupid and couldn't understand it anyway, so the policy was to just get your vaccine and hope that it helps.  Well it did, Yay for all of us.

Close, but I disagree with the "didn't communicate" part.  That implies that they tried to communicate it, but did so poorly.  Instead, they overtly chose to lie to the American people.  What we do know that for a long time during their lie (1) Covid was not an emergency, and (2) it was unnecessary if not potentially harmful for young and healthy folks.  Hell, pushing the vax on kids (and crippling their education/development) makes me want to club a baby seal.  Perhaps you are correct that the American public is too stupid for a message of "hey look, the virus morphed, the vax no longer is needed for young and healthy but old and sick people can still benefit bigly.  Oh, and go back to school."  But the risk you run is...

5 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

 

And yes people said that if you got the vaccine then you won't get covid, that was wrong then, it should have never been communicated that way.  I also don't understand why you people still cry about it.

... people have long memories when they are lied to like this.  And unfortunately, the next time around, if it truly is an emergency, a whole lot of people are not going to trust the government, on vaxes or distancing or masking or shutdowns.  I expect you will blame the dummies for not trusting the government, instead of the government for their history of lying about pandemics.  But hey, the lying helped big pharma get more billions, and helped teacher unions to get paid to sit around in their pajamas while our kids' developments suffered, so they've got that going for them.   

[TimHauck 2,610]

9 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Close, but I disagree with the "didn't communicate" part.  That implies that they tried to communicate it, but did so poorly.  Instead, they overtly chose to lie to the American people.  What we do know that for a long time during their lie (1) Covid was not an emergency, and (2) it was unnecessary if not potentially harmful for young and healthy folks.  Hell, pushing the vax on kids (and crippling their education/development) makes me want to club a baby seal.  Perhaps you are correct that the American public is too stupid for a message of "hey look, the virus morphed, the vax no longer is needed for young and healthy but old and sick people can still benefit bigly.  Oh, and go back to school."  But the risk you run is...

... people have long memories when they are lied to like this.  And unfortunately, the next time around, if it truly is an emergency, a whole lot of people are not going to trust the government, on vaxes or distancing or masking or shutdowns.  I expect you will blame the dummies for not trusting the government, instead of the government for their history of lying about pandemics.  But hey, the lying helped big pharma get more billions, and helped teacher unions to get paid to sit around in their pajamas while our kids' developments suffered, so they've got that going for them.   

How are you defining "not an emergency"?

[TBayXXXVII 2,482]

4 hours ago, TimHauck said:

The guy you're replying to thinks Trump should get some credit if the vaccine is good, but shouldn't get any blame if the vaccine is bad.    Although not sure if he's given an actual opinion on which he thinks it is.

 

3 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

He's also the guy that was told by his GF that they are now engaged, and the engagement party is the following weekend, the weekend he planned to hang out with the guys.

LOL, dumb and dumber in a tag team match.

[jerryskids 6,559]

21 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

How are you defining "not an emergency"?

Once they knew it was safe to implement the message I stated in the post your quoted:

"hey look, the virus morphed, the vax no longer is needed for young and healthy but old and sick people can still benefit bigly.  Oh, and go back to school."

[TimHauck 2,610]

5 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

 

LOL, dumb and dumber in a tag team match.

Are you denying you said that?

[TBayXXXVII 2,482]

38 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Close, but I disagree with the "didn't communicate" part.  That implies that they tried to communicate it, but did so poorly.  Instead, they overtly chose to lie to the American people.  What we do know that for a long time during their lie (1) Covid was not an emergency, and (2) it was unnecessary if not potentially harmful for young and healthy folks.  Hell, pushing the vax on kids (and crippling their education/development) makes me want to club a baby seal.  Perhaps you are correct that the American public is too stupid for a message of "hey look, the virus morphed, the vax no longer is needed for young and healthy but old and sick people can still benefit bigly.  Oh, and go back to school."  But the risk you run is...

... people have long memories when they are lied to like this.  And unfortunately, the next time around, if it truly is an emergency, a whole lot of people are not going to trust the government, on vaxes or distancing or masking or shutdowns.  I expect you will blame the dummies for not trusting the government, instead of the government for their history of lying about pandemics.  But hey, the lying helped big pharma get more billions, and helped teacher unions to get paid to sit around in their pajamas while our kids' developments suffered, so they've got that going for them.   

In King Troll's post, where he says: "The truth is that the original vaccine clinical trials showed it to be 95% effective against symptomatic covid," is when people need to stop reading and just ignore him.  A "VACCINE", under the original definition did NOT deal with "symptoms", it attacked the actual virus to killed it.  Those vaccines also prevented the spread.  Not only did the COVID "vaccine", not attack/kill the virus, it also did not prevent the spread.  Any person who thinks that the Covid "shot" was anything more than a symptom relief medication, like Theraflu or alike, is a complete moron.  The fact that the government and CDC pushed this and almost forced it on citizens, in my opinion, is a treasonous act and anyone involved in pushing mandates, be it a politician or other government employee, should spend the rest of their lives in a federal prison... or if they chose, the death penalty.

[TimHauck 2,610]

1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

Once they knew it was safe to implement the message I stated in the post your quoted:

"hey look, the virus morphed, the vax no longer is needed for young and healthy but old and sick people can still benefit bigly.  Oh, and go back to school."

So it was an emergency initially, just not once Omicron hit?   I'd agree with that.

[TBayXXXVII 2,482]

7 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Are you denying you said that?

I said that Trump should've gotten the credit for the plan to put the vaccine into motion and distribution.  I did NOT say he should get credit (or blame), for the vaccine itself, because he didn't make it.  Any and all, blame and credit for the vaccine itself, falls on to the people who made them.

Now, if you want to credit the companies who made the "vaccines", which are nothing more than an over the counter flu symptomatic remedy (like Theraflu) for being just that, then I'll stand right beside you and say, "Good job".  If you want to go beyond that, then you can stand with GutterBoy in the Galactically Stupid line.

[TimHauck 2,610]

3 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I said that Trump should've gotten the credit for the plan to put the vaccine into motion and distribution.  I did NOT say he should get credit (or blame), for the vaccine itself, because he didn't make it.  Any and all, blame and credit for the vaccine itself, falls on to the people who made them.

Now, if you want to credit the companies who made the "vaccines", which are nothing more than an over the counter flu symptomatic remedy (like Theraflu) for being just that, then I'll stand right beside you and say, "Good job".  If you want to go beyond that, then you can stand with GutterBoy in the Galactically Stupid line.

So to be clear, you don't think the vaccine is causing more than a handful of deaths?

[jerryskids 6,559]

7 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

So it was an emergency initially, just not once Omicron hit?   I'd agree with that.

Omicron at the latest; I can't see a way to justify calling it an emergency from then on.  But you can argue earlier than Omicron, depending on your tolerance of fatalities.  Once it was clear it mostly impacted the elderly and sick?  Once we knew resources would not be overrun?  Once we knew it was not an existential crisis?  

Also I forget if the vaxes were effective against transmission of Delta, if not then that might be the point where the need to mandate behaviors ended.

But sure, to be conservative let's go with Omicron.   

[TBayXXXVII 2,482]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

So to be clear, you don't think the vaccine is causing more than a handful of deaths?

The side affects?  I don't know, that's something that we won't know for a long time.  It'll be one of those Camp Lejeune things 40+ years from now where, the drug companies will settle a $10B class action lawsuit for those side affects... but after they've made a Trillion dollar profit.

 

What I do know is that the actual intent of the vaccine is nothing more that a symptom suppressant, and nothing more.

[TimHauck 2,610]

1 minute ago, TBayXXXVII said:

The side affects?  I don't know, that's something that we won't know for a long time.  It'll be one of those Camp Lejeune things 40+ years from now where, the drug companies will settle a $10B class action lawsuit for those side affects... but after they've made a Trillion dollar profit.

 

What I do know is that the actual intent of the vaccine is nothing more that a symptom suppressant, and nothing more.

If it turns out that the vaccine had a net negative effect (doubtful), then Trump deserves some blame for Operation Warp Speed and accelerating the timeline.  He "pushed the FDA like they've never been pushed before" (his words).

As it stands, I am grateful for Trump being the "father of the vaccine" (his words).

[TBayXXXVII 2,482]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

If it turns out that the vaccine had a net negative effect (doubtful), then Trump deserves some blame for Operation Warp Speed and accelerating the timeline.  He "pushed the FDA like they've never been pushed before" (his words).

As it stands, I am grateful for Trump being the "father of the vaccine" (his words).

Good for you.

[TimHauck 2,610]

7 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Omicron at the latest; I can't see a way to justify calling it an emergency from then on.  But you can argue earlier than Omicron, depending on your tolerance of fatalities.  Once it was clear it mostly impacted the elderly and sick?  Once we knew resources would not be overrun?  Once we knew it was not an existential crisis?  

Also I forget if the vaxes were effective against transmission of Delta, if not then that might be the point where the need to mandate behaviors ended.

But sure, to be conservative let's go with Omicron.   

 

Honestly I would say it could have been considered a non-emergency once everyone that wanted the vaccine could get one.  So probably somewhere around 4th of July 2021.   

And yes, I know that was when the infamous Massachusetts orgy occurred.   But IIRC at most 1 person was even hospitalized from that.    But overall yes, the vaccine did have around 60-80% effectiveness against Delta transmission.

 

[TimHauck 2,610]

4 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Good for you.

If you don't think speeding up the approval process could have played a role in potentially missing safety issues, then I can't help you, you need to take off your MAGA-colored glasses.

[TBayXXXVII 2,482]

19 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

If you don't think speeding up the approval process could have played a role in potentially missing safety issues, then I can't help you, you need to take off your MAGA-colored glasses.

That's not what I was referring too.  Also, how could I be wearing MAGA colored glasses if you didn't think that I didn't approved of Trump's decisions and distribution plan?  

[Horseman 2,357]

1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

Omicron at the latest; I can't see a way to justify calling it an emergency from then on.  But you can argue earlier than Omicron, depending on your tolerance of fatalities.  Once it was clear it mostly impacted the elderly and sick?  Once we knew resources would not be overrun?  Once we knew it was not an existential crisis?  

Also I forget if the vaxes were effective against transmission of Delta, if not then that might be the point where the need to mandate behaviors ended.

But sure, to be conservative let's go with Omicron.   

The Barrington Declaration was issued on October 5, 2020 more that two months before the first variant, Alpha.  We knew it wasn't an emergency, that clearly effected mostly the elderly and sick way before Omicron.   

[TimHauck 2,610]

1 hour ago, TBayXXXVII said:

That's not what I was referring too.  Also, how could I be wearing MAGA colored glasses if you didn't think that I didn't approved of Trump's decisions and distribution plan?  

I didn’t think you didn’t approve?   Not sure what you mean.  I said I wasn’t sure of your stance on the vaccine as a whole, and honestly I’m still not.  You are saying we may not know for 40 years if it’s killing people (I’m taking that to mean you don’t currently think it is), and it’s a symptom suppressant, which are mostly positive opinions.

[jerryskids 6,559]

1 hour ago, Horseman said:

The Barrington Declaration was issued on October 5, 2020 more that two months before the first variant, Alpha.  We knew it wasn't an emergency, that clearly effected mostly the elderly and sick way before Omicron.   

Good point.   

[TimHauck 2,610]

1 hour ago, Horseman said:

The Barrington Declaration was issued on October 5, 2020 more that two months before the first variant, Alpha.  We knew it wasn't an emergency, that clearly effected mostly the elderly and sick way before Omicron.   

Delta begs to differ.

Edit: unless you’re being very literal with “mostly.”  ALL diseases mostly effect the elderly and sick. And yes I acknowledge Delta was after I’ve stated it shouldn’t have been an emergency.  In hindsight, the only argument I can see in favor of the Barrington declaration as it relates to death totals is that maybe some of the younger folks that died from Delta may not have died from the Wuhan/alpha strains.  But of course they also could have just gotten vaccinated as over 90% of Covid deaths during Delta were unvaccinated.  And also if many more people did get infected in 2020 then we could have seen more hospitals actually being overwhelmed - some were, but not a lot likely because restrictions did help limit spread even if they may not have been worth the economic cost.

Also the fact that 2020 had the largest year over year change in deaths since 1918 begs to differ as well.

[seafoam1 2,799]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

Delta begs to differ.

Edit: unless you’re being very literal with “mostly.”  ALL diseases mostly effect the elderly and sick. And yes I acknowledge Delta was after I’ve stated it shouldn’t have been an emergency.  In hindsight, the only argument I can see in favor of the Barrington declaration as it relates to death totals is that maybe some of the younger folks that died from Delta may not have died from the Wuhan/alpha strains.  But of course they also could have just gotten vaccinated as over 90% of Covid deaths during Delta were unvaccinated.  And also if many more people did get infected in 2020 then we could have seen more hospitals actually being overwhelmed - some were, but not a lot likely because restrictions did help limit spread even if they may not have been worth the economic cost.

Also the fact that 2020 had the largest year over year change in deaths since 1918 begs to differ as well.

Why do you insist on being so wrong? 

[Baker Boy 1,687]

4 hours ago, TimHauck said:

So it was an emergency initially, just not once Omicron hit?   I'd agree with that.

It never was an emergency, 95% of Americans had no chance of dying from Covid. Don’t you think it would’ve made more sense to lock down the 5% since we knew who they were?

[TimHauck 2,610]

1 minute ago, Baker Boy said:

It never was an emergency, 95% of Americans had no chance of dying from Covid. Don’t you think it would’ve made more sense to lock down the 5% since we knew who they were?

Not really, unless you also locked down anyone who had any interaction with them.  For example cases at a nursing home in Wisconsin were traced back to college students that worked there.

Also if you’re saying only 5% even had a chance of dying, that’s way too low.  Over 40% of the country is obese.

[Baker Boy 1,687]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

Not really, unless you also locked down anyone who had any interaction with them.  For example cases at a nursing home in Wisconsin were traced back to college students that worked there.

Also if you’re saying only 5% even had a chance of dying, that’s way too low.  Over 40% of the country is obese.

Come on Timmy, face it, you’re backing a loser.  
 

Freaked out by a strain of the flu.

[BuckSwope 654]

12 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

This is what happens to dumb, gullible people that spend too much time online.

It's bizarre.  They rail on people for being mindless sheep, but admit in posts like the one quoted they were taking info from politicians and talking heads.