Ukraine - Doomsday

[Voltaire 5,322]

26 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

One needs to look no further than your ignorant comment about the Strategic Reserve, not to mention the other dumbassery in that post, to realize you're in dire need of bed-going. Your commie-loving brain needs rest if you're going to engage me in any kind of debate for which I'm willing to commit a larger percentage of my intellect to crush your commie-licking soul. 

Cry softly on your government-issued pillow.

Engage in Debate? Are you finally going to engage you in debate? Yes sign me up!

   Oh this is a great day!    

I worried this moment would pass. I've been looking forward to this ever since you ran away all of yesterday. Yes please. Put a large percentage of your intellect on display. Thank You in advance.

Let's start by talking about why getting oil from USA and Canada is bad while getting oil from Russia and Venezuela is good.

If you don't like how that's worded, reword it and explain. A few pages back, I was really curious about why you took HT to task when he criticized B*den's* first reaction to needing new sources of oil was to turn to Venezuela for oil rather than turn to the US domestic producers or Canada. I thought HT had a solid point and that's how our clash yesterday got stared. Tell us why you disagree with HT's and my position.

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

3 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Engage in Debate? Are you finally going to engage you in debate? Yes sign me up!

   Oh this is a great day!    

I worried this moment would pass. I've been looking forward to this ever since you ran away all of yesterday. Yes please. Put a large percentage of your intellect on display. Thank You in advance.

Let's start by talking about why getting oil from USA and Canada is bad while getting oil from Russia and Venezuela is good.

If you don't like how that's worded, reword it and explain. A few pages back, I was really curious about why you took HT to task when he criticized B*den's first reaction to needing new sources of oil was to turn to Venezuela for oil rather than turn to the US domestic producers or Canada. I thought HT had a solid point and that's how our clash yesterday got stared. Tell us why you disagree.

You took the headline of an article you couldn't read because, as you admitted, you don't subscribe to it, and embarrassingly ran with it. There is a deeper possibility and strategy that warrants a more intellectual analysis than your commie-saturated, sleep-deprived, information-poor brain can process when the greater need here is for you to go to bed. 

[Voltaire 5,322]

3 hours ago, Pimpadeaux said:

You took the headline of an article you couldn't read because, as you admitted, you don't subscribe to it, and embarrassingly ran with it. There is a deeper possibility and strategy that warrants a more intellectual analysis than your commie-saturated, sleep-deprived, information-poor brain can process when the greater need here is for you to go to bed. 

To clarify for anyone reading this who focking cares...  Rusty is distracting you all lies. I have all the receipts and I will post them immediately after this thread is up. Unfortunately, that will require a wall of text, which Rusty is counting on you not reading, in order to misdirect you and obscure the truth. Believe your eyes. This is who he is.

[Voltaire 5,322]

3 hours ago, Pimpadeaux said:

You took the headline of an article you couldn't read because, as you admitted, you don't subscribe to it, and embarrassingly ran with it. There is a deeper possibility and strategy that warrants a more intellectual analysis than your commie-saturated, sleep-deprived, information-poor brain can process when the greater need here is for you to go to bed. 

Rusty has said the above quote not once, not twice, this is now his third time saying it. At the bottom will be links to the first two times.

Here's what happened: someone (not me) posted a link to a Financial Times article where the headline said Biden* was going to talk to Venezuela about buying oil. Unfortunately, the link wasn't much help because the article was blocked behind a paywall. All we could read was the headline. Rusty pointed out, correctly, that the article was unreliable because it was behind a paywall. Agreed. Fair enough. So, what I did, I found that exact same story in the New York Times so folks could read it for free. Here it is for the third time: US Officials Travel to Venezuela, a Russia Ally, as the West Isolates Putin - The New York Times (archive.ph)

Rusty refuses to engage this story about Biden* meeting with Venezuela. Instead, he attacks the messenger, blows smoke, and obfuscates. Read the post directly above mine, he's still doing it. He wants to ignore the fact that the New York Times article confirms the accuracy of the headline at the original Financial Times article that none of us can read.

Here's the first time he said it: Ukraine - Doomsday - Page 65 - The Geek Club - FFToday Forums Three posts down, my reply is seven under that #10, his first time going to this well is the next post after that.

Here's the second: [** Official President Joe Biden Thread **] - Page 191 - The Geek Club - FFToday Forums its more than halfway down, about 2/3, but dammit, read the whole page because we had a big row and I had a lot of fun giving Rusty a smackdown.

For the third time he does it, look at the quoted text which is directly above this pair of posts.

[Voltaire 5,322]

I anticipate Rusty's reply to this will be the same one he's used over and over again. A bunch of personal attacks, obfuscations, lies, distractions, but no actual substance. That's who he is. He knows nothing and so he adds nothing. He's an empty bag of nothing and only writes insults. Rusty posts are typically empty calories with no nutritional content.

Prove me wrong, Rusty. Try standing up for what you believe in by saying something meaningful for once. Do it.

[listen2me 23 1,874]

2 hours ago, Voltaire said:

I anticipate Rusty's reply to this will be the same one he's used over and over again. A bunch of personal attacks, obfuscations, lies, distractions, but no actual substance. That's who he is. He knows nothing and so he adds nothing. He's an empty bag of nothing and only writes insults. Rusty posts are typically empty calories with no nutritional content.

Prove me wrong, Rusty. Try standing up for what you believe in by saying something meaningful for once. Do it.

It is hard to read his posts.  It is like trying to listen to Kamala Harris speak.   A bunch of hot air.   

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

11 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

One president pro domestic oil production, low prices. One president anti domestic oil production, high prices. Simple enough?  

One simpleton trying to do critical thinking....

Hardcore it is

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

11 hours ago, KSB2424 said:

Also, I'm all for green energy.  However just focusing on that is so damn naive....how do you think tractor trailers full of all your food, goods, commodities around the country get around?  Fuel runs the world, get out of your bubble and stop just thinking about how much it costs to fill up your car.  It's infinitely bigger than that.  

We should be using ALL sources of energy to be energy independent from Russia, Venuzlaua or the Middle East.    These are no-brainer type decisions.....

You are right. The left goes too far by trying to make it "get away from all fossil fuels" and the citizens who support fossil fuels are apparently deeply concerned that the rich people who run Exxon get richer.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,517]

3 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

One simpleton trying to do critical thinking....

Hardcore it is

Nah, I’m just going with the “Putin is bad” method of giving my take. You and the flock think it’s good enough. Baaaaah. 

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Nah, I’m just going with the “Putin is bad” method of giving my take. You and the flock think it’s good enough. Baaaaah. 

You still are too much of a chickensh!t to answer my question in the other thread...

[Hardcore troubadour 15,517]

8 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

You still are too much of a chickensh!t to answer my question in the other thread...

What’s was it? I get a lot of questions. Sorry if I missed it. 

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

What’s was it? I get a lot of questions. Sorry if I missed it. 

nuclear war thread

[Cdub100 3,936]

Has Russia taken out that criminal corrupt government yet?

[Voltaire 5,322]

18 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

Has Russia taken out that criminal corrupt government yet?

No, it's ongoing. Why do you have such hostility towards Ukraine?

[Cdub100 3,936]

2 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

No, it's ongoing. Why do you have such hostility towards Ukraine?

Where did the fake Trump Dossier come from?

Where does Hunter Biden get paid millions?

Where do Romney and Warren's kids make millions in Oil and gas?

Where does the Clinton foundation get millions of donations

What countries' foreign aid did the Dems try and impeach Trump with.

Why did Biden withhold foreign aid until a certain country fired a prosecutor?

etc... etc... etc...

Ukraine is a country doing the western overlords' dirty business. They create political hit pieces, they launder money for the world elites, they bribe US leadership. Russia is doing the world a favor and I hope they win.

[vomit 502]

Cdub supports the death of Ukrainians to support his politics.  What a terrible person.

[Cdub100 3,936]

3 minutes ago, vomit said:

Cdub supports the death of Ukrainians to support his politics.  What a terrible person.

Only in the minds of supersmart moderates.

[Voltaire 5,322]

46 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

Where did the fake Trump Dossier come from?

Where does Hunter Biden get paid millions?

Where do Romney and Warren's kids make millions in Oil and gas?

Where does the Clinton foundation get millions of donations

What countries' foreign aid did the Dems try and impeach Trump with.

Why did Biden withhold foreign aid until a certain country fired a prosecutor?

etc... etc... etc...

Ukraine is a country doing the western overlords' dirty business. They create political hit pieces, they launder money for the world elites, they bribe US leadership. Russia is doing the world a favor and I hope they win.

The origins of the Steele dossier started in the US first with never Trump Republicans before being taken over as a centerpiece talking point of the Hillary campaign and the entire left wing media establishment. The main source of the BS was a British spy in Russia. Not Ukraine that I know of, unless you know something that I don't, which is possible, since I never did follow the story terribly closely.

Hunter Biden was paid by a Ukranian natural gas company to get his father to pressure the government to stop investigating it. The Ukrainian government did cave to former Vice President Biden's pressure to fire the prosecutor investigating his son's company but that's not entirely on them. That speaks more to corruption with the gas company and the former Vice President, rather than their government.

A lot of these other things are stuff I never heard of or unverified internet rumors. Romney had an advisor tied to Burisma, I don't know anything about his kids, nor Elizabeth Warren's kids involvement, nor anything specific about the Clinton Foundation but that wouldn't surprise me since they have shady ties to corporatist globalists everywhere.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,517]

1 hour ago, Sean Mooney said:

nuclear war thread

Didn’t see a question. Mostly you playing a kids game and name calling. I’ll need you to be specific. Thanks 

[TimmySmith 2,782]

4 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Hunter Biden was paid by a Ukranian natural gas company to get his father to pressure the government to stop investigating it. The Ukrainian government did cave to former Vice President Biden's pressure to fire the prosecutor investigating his son's company but that's not entirely on them. That speaks more to corruption with the gas company and the former Vice President, rather than their government.

This is a quite naive point of view. Ukraine didn't fire the Prosecutor for free. Biden claimed he extorted the firing because he's a fake tough guy, but in reality that government got paid, plain and simple.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,517]

Joe Bidens brother  got government contracts in Iraq to build housing. He’s not a builder and never was. 10 pct for the big guy. 

[Voltaire 5,322]

4 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

This is a quite naive point of view. Ukraine didn't fire the Prosecutor for free. Biden claimed he extorted the firing because he's a fake tough guy, but in reality that government got paid, plain and simple.

I don't know that we disagree. Ukraine had a prosecutor investigating Burisma and Vice President Biden used threats of withholding US aid to bribe/force them to fire him. I mean, sure, yes, they got paid to fire the guy.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

1 minute ago, Voltaire said:

I don't know that we disagree. Ukraine had a prosecutor investigating Burisma and Vice President Biden used US aid to bribe/force them to fire him. I mean, sure, yes, they got paid to fire the guy.

Just saying, the ultimate corruption was the Ukraine government, getting paid from all concerned. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,517]

Joe Biden was the head of the senate foreign relations committee for years. His family got massively rich doing deals with other countries. No one seems to know what they did for the money, but they were paid. And who knows how many connected hangers on got paid as well. 

[Hawkeye21 2,401]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

What’s was it? I get a lot of questions. Sorry if I missed it. 

What it this question he asked twice?

"What is your point anymore?"

"Clearly and concisely state it so it can be documented and discussed.?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,517]

4 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

What it this question he asked twice?

"What is your point anymore?"

"Clearly and concisely state it so it can be documented and discussed.?

Maybe. They aren’t real questions though. And the second part sounds like a demand. I don’t respond to demands. He should ask what my point is about something specific and ask it. A lot of things are discussed. But he’s playing games. 

[Voltaire 5,322]

7 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

Just saying, the ultimate corruption was the Ukraine government, getting paid from all concerned. 

Well, the hand the Ukrainian government was dealt was to throw the prosecutor under the bus or to say "no" and risk piss away all that aid/money if the Vice President wasn't bluffing. They took the aid/money. Seems to me it speaks more to Vice President Biden and his son's corruption than their own government's. They were put on the spot by a bully interfering in their internal affairs. It's not something I would hold over their heads when they are getting invaded. To be fair, it's only one point on a list of reasons CDub gave (but I didn't much like his other reasons either).

[Hawkeye21 2,401]

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,517]

1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

 

Too late. 

[TimmySmith 2,782]

2 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Well, the hand the Ukrainian government was dealt was to throw the prosecutor under the bus or to say "no" and risk piss away all that aid/money if the Vice President wasn't bluffing. They took the aid/money. Seems to me it speaks more to Vice President Biden and his son's corruption than their own government's. They were put on the spot by a bully interfering in their internal affairs. It's not something I would hold over their heads when they are getting invaded. To be fair, it's only one point on a list of reasons CDub gave (but I didn't much like his other reasons either).

Speaks to Obama's and all of the globalists corruption that we allowed our VP to fly half way around the world to get a low level employee fired for doing his job.  Even if Crackhead wasn't involved. 

[Voltaire 5,322]

2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

 

Wow, there it is. I'll have to go read up on this.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Too late. 

Never too late for gas companies and the liberals to find another reason to fock the working man by jacking gas prices. 

[Voltaire 5,322]

1 minute ago, TimmySmith said:

Speaks to Obama's and all of the globalists corruption that we allowed our VP to fly half way around the world to get a low level employee fired for doing his job.  Even if Crackhead wasn't involved. 

I still think we're saying the same thing, just that you're more critical of Ukraine for taking the deal whereas I'm more understanding.

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

8 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

Never too late for gas companies and the liberals to find another reason to fock the working man by jacking gas prices. 

There is bi-partisan support for this. 

It will definitely raise gas prices more though. But I venture you won't blame any Republicans for this because it doesn't fit your narrative. 

[TimmySmith 2,782]

2 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

There is bi-partisan support for this. 

It will definitely raise gas prices more though. But I venture you won't blame any Republicans for this because it doesn't fit your narrative. 

Republicans will fight for lower gas prices here.  Progressives will tell us we need to get off oil.  Just watch.

[Baker Boy 1,704]

8 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

There is bi-partisan support for this. 

It will definitely raise gas prices more though. But I venture you won't blame any Republicans for this because it doesn't fit your narrative. 

Who are the Republicans I should blame?

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

6 hours ago, Voltaire said:

Rusty has said the above quote not once, not twice, this is now his third time saying it. At the bottom will be links to the first two times.

Here's what happened: someone (not me) posted a link to a Financial Times article where the headline said Biden* was going to talk to Venezuela about buying oil. Unfortunately, the link wasn't much help because the article was blocked behind a paywall. All we could read was the headline. Rusty pointed out, correctly, that the article was unreliable because it was behind a paywall. Agreed. Fair enough. So, what I did, I found that exact same story in the New York Times so folks could read it for free. Here it is for the third time: US Officials Travel to Venezuela, a Russia Ally, as the West Isolates Putin - The New York Times (archive.ph)

Rusty refuses to engage this story about Biden* meeting with Venezuela. Instead, he attacks the messenger, blows smoke, and obfuscates. Read the post directly above mine, he's still doing it. He wants to ignore the fact that the New York Times article confirms the accuracy of the headline at the original Financial Times article that none of us can read.

Here's the first time he said it: Ukraine - Doomsday - Page 65 - The Geek Club - FFToday Forums Three posts down, my reply is seven under that #10, his first time going to this well is the next post after that.

Here's the second: [** Official President Joe Biden Thread **] - Page 191 - The Geek Club - FFToday Forums its more than halfway down, about 2/3, but dammit, read the whole page because we had a big row and I had a lot of fun giving Rusty a smackdown.

For the third time he does it, look at the quoted text which is directly above this pair of posts.

Biden didn't meet with Venezuela, commie nitwit. 

From your own story:

Quote

Senior U.S. officials are traveling to Venezuela 

The last president to travel to Venezuela was Bill Clinton in October 1997.

'https://history.state.gov/departmenthistory/travels/president/venezuela

I'm like one of my cats, with you being one of those poor little bugs that pick the wrong house to get into and wind up getting batted around like a hockey puck.

Go to bed. 

[NorthernVike 2,087]

2 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Biden didn't meet with Venezuela, commie nitwit. 

From your own story:

The last president to travel to Venezuela was Bill Clinton in October 1997.

'https://history.state.gov/departmenthistory/travels/president/venezuela

I'm like one of my cats, with you being one of those poor little bugs that pick the wrong house to get into and wind up getting batted around like a hockey puck.

Go to bed. 

Seriously Rusty,  take a break from the bored.  You need it. 

[Voltaire 5,322]

1 minute ago, Sean Mooney said:

There is bi-partisan support for this. 

It will definitely raise gas prices more though. But I venture you won't blame any Republicans for this because it doesn't fit your narrative. 

Well I think the thing of it Sean, is that gas prices over the past year were already ballooning before the war started eleven or so days ago and these sanctions a few minutes ago. Also, people weren't terribly happy when Biden* turned to Venezuela first for oil to offset the loss of Russian oil rather than domestic and Canadian sources. Halting construction of that Keystone pipeline is on Biden as is the lack of drilling leases for sites in the US.  I do agree that any new spike from this action shouldn't be shouldered entirely by the Biden regime for the reasons you point out, but up to this point is fair game. I have a feeling that we will see this will get blurred and conflated in the upcoming weeks... Biden and the MSM will claim it was always Russia's fault that the gas prices went up, while the GOP will have to remind people that 13 months of high gas prices were already in place before the invasion occurred.

Overall, I think the Biden* people have responded pretty dang impressively since the war started actually. Before the war it was a mixed bag, mostly negative. Biden* himself is a fool for the leadup signaling that Putin may be able to carve up a small slice of two provinces with little repercussion and also for tipping his hat that US troops would not interfere before the attack occurred. That "no interference" decision may or may not have been the right decision, but either way, you don't want Putin to know that. In fairness, Team Biden* correctly anticipated the invasions and gets credit for the timely warning for folks to leave in the week prior.

[Baker Boy 1,704]

5 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Biden didn't meet with Venezuela, commie nitwit. 

From your own story:

The last president to travel to Venezuela was Bill Clinton in October 1997.

'https://history.state.gov/departmenthistory/travels/president/venezuela

I'm like one of my cats, with you being one of those poor little bugs that pick the wrong house to get into and wind up getting batted around like a hockey puck.

Go to bed. 

Now I get it. You are one of those people who “can’t see the forest for the trees”.

 

U.S. Sends Delegation To Venezuela As It Mulls Over Russia Oil Import Ban

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/US-Sends-Delegation-To-Venezuela-As-It-Mulls-Over-Russia-Oil-Import-Ban.html