I guess the Fetterman Oz debate didn't go so well.

[Raven Fan 362]

40 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

More than a minute and time and place.  “Sorry you cops got murdered at a , for once, peaceful protest by a militant black nationalist, but y’all white folk need to stop being so dismissive”. I just summed the whole thing up. The families of the slain cops weren’t there to hear that shite from an incredibly flawed person. 

Obama spoke in generalities.  You are the one making it personal.  Why don't you focus on what heroes he said the cops were?  How noble they were?  Instead you focus on the 1 minute where Obama tried to enlighten folks like you just how challenging it is for non-whites to encounter police officers simply so you'd have a little window into a world that you're not familiar with.  It was a brilliant speech from a brilliant, self-made man. 

I assume you had no problems with Trump saying that mexicans were rapist and murderers?  Yet you're focused on this tiny part of a brilliant, inclusive speech. 

[BuckSwope 654]

For a comparison, since I never watch these things, I followed it up with watching a speech from the next president in a similar setting-  2019 police officer memorial.  Also Bush's speech at the same memorial as the speech in question- Dallas 2016.   Interesting exercise.  

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54 minutes ago, Raven Fan said:

Obama spoke in generalities.  You are the one making it personal.  Why don't you focus on what heroes he said the cops were?  How noble they were?  Instead you focus on the 1 minute where Obama tried to enlighten folks like you just how challenging it is for non-whites to encounter police officers simply so you'd have a little window into a world that you're not familiar with.  It was a brilliant speech from a brilliant, self-made man. 

I assume you had no problems with Trump saying that mexicans were rapist and murderers?  Yet you're focused on this tiny part of a brilliant, inclusive speech. 

Trump never said Mexicans were Rapists and murderers. What’s next. Good people on both sides?

[Raven Fan 362]

17 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Trump never said Mexicans were Rapists and murderers. What’s next. Good people on both sides?

lol.

“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”

Oh my bad he assumed some were good people...lmfao

 

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7 minutes ago, Raven Fan said:

lol.

“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”

Oh my bad he assumed some were good people...lmfao

 

So that’s calling all Mexicans rapists then. Everything he said is true 

[Raven Fan 362]

1 minute ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

So that’s calling all Mexicans rapists then. Everything he said is true 

If you can't see anything wrong with that statement than that's on you.  How do you like this statement:

"Trump cultist are uneducated, backwater, religious, racist hicks.  And some I assume are good people"

That give you warm and fuzzies?

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1 minute ago, Raven Fan said:

If you can't see anything wrong with that statement than that's on you.  How do you like this statement:

"Trump cultist are uneducated, backwater, religious, racist hicks.  And some I assume are good people"

That give you warm and fuzzies?

Wouldn’t know nor would I care. Not a trump supporter. But I pretty much hear that everyday anyways 

you probably think Haiti isn’t a 3rd world sh1thole too

[Masshole 642]

10 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Obama went racial prior to his second campaign. Had to redirect that occupy Wall Street outrage towards his banker backers. Worked.  

Just dropped back in to this thread to see how it's going.   Yup, just about what I expected.    Nothing easier to get the lefty bees nest humming than daring to say Obama wasn't our saint and savior.

In all the white noise of the lest 2-3 pages this post above is really the only useful add to it.    All of you centrists pretend that you don't understand that BLM was just a cynical political play to save Obama's campaign for a 2nd term and the status of his money'ed bagmen on Wall Street from a burgeoning Occupy Wall Street movement.     I kind of feel sorry for you that you can't see that.    And in a bizarre way - I admire the political Jiu jitsu and cunning it took to come up with and then execute that plan.   

Makes me think of the scene from "Alien" where the Sigourney Weaver character is speaking to the android Ash about the ruthless effectiveness of the alien:

Lambert: You admire it.
Ash: I admire its purity. A survivor… unclouded by conscience, remorse, or delusions of morality.

 

 

[Raven Fan 362]

2 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Wouldn’t know nor would I care. Not a trump supporter. But I pretty much hear that everyday anyways 

you probably think Haiti isn’t a 3rd world sh1thole too

Why wouldn't I think Haiti isn't a 3rd world chit hole.  It for sure is.

[BuckSwope 654]

Is there a reason one would lead with the bad parts of the group of people, and then follow it up with "I guess some are good people though"?  

That is a devisive statement for sure.  No, it's not saying all Mexicans are rapists, but it starts off as first an us/them qualifier (they aren't sending you), then talks about the negatives, then throws in some are good people part.  

To be fair, that's not the whole speech either. 

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7 minutes ago, Raven Fan said:

Why wouldn't I think Haiti isn't a 3rd world chit hole.  It for sure is.

Just testing you. Trump called it a 3rd world sh1thole 

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3 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Is there a reason one would lead with the bad parts of the group of people, and then follow it up with "I guess some are good people though"?  

That is a devisive statement for sure.  No, it's not saying all Mexicans are rapists, but it starts off as first an us/them qualifier (they aren't sending you), then talks about the negatives, then throws in some are good people part.  

To be fair, that's not the whole speech either. 

He’s gonna put y’all back in chains

i don’t wanna live in a racial jungle

you ain’t black 

the point was he’s talking about border security and the amount of crime and drugs that come along with it. And he’s not wrong. Those are a lot of the issues with it. 

[BuckSwope 654]

18 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

He’s gonna put y’all back in chains

i don’t wanna live in a racial jungle

you ain’t black 

the point was he’s talking about border security and the amount of crime and drugs that come along with it. And he’s not wrong. Those are a lot of the issues with it. 

Of course there are issues with immigration.  Don't you think there is a less divisive way of saying that too?   

Both things are true- he was bringing up concerns of immigration and being devisive. I get why his framing of those people would irk them.  

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5 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Of course there are issues with immigration.  Don't you think there is a less divisive way of saying that too?   

Both things are true- he was bringing up concerns of immigration and being devisive. I get why his framing of those people would irk them.  

I’d rather have a guy who cuts to the point than someone who says there is no issue and welcomes them in 

what we know about trump and the media. It doesn’t matter what he says or how he says It will be vilified 

hell pedo Joe ran on good people on both sides 

[BuckSwope 654]

1 minute ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

I’d rather have a guy who cuts to the point than someone who says there is no issue and welcomes them in 

what we know about trump and the media. It doesn’t matter what he says. It will be vilified 

I didn't know there were only two choices.  Why not reverse those things, tell the concerns, and not be divisive?  That's how I would prefer the leader of the free world to speak.   

Maybe start with how our country was built on immigrants or something mildly good about the group as a whole, THEN go into how the border is a mess, crime and drugs are a concern and we need to get serious about it.  

These usually aren't off the cuff comments, these are planned written speeches.  Just like there was reason Obama brought up BLM and other things in that example, there was a reason this was worded in that way as well.  

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3 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

I didn't know there were only two choices.  Why not reverse those things, tell the concerns, and not be divisive?  That's how I would prefer the leader of the free world to speak.   

Maybe start with how our country was built on immigrants or something mildly good about the group as a whole, THEN go into how the border is a mess, crime and drugs are a concern and we need to get serious about it.  

These usually aren't off the cuff comments, these are planned written speeches.  Just like there was reason Obama brought up BLM and other things in that example, there was a reason this was worded in that way as well.  

I get it I do. Some people focus on words and others focus on actions I fit into the latter. I’d take every single 2017-2019 policy back as opposed to everything we are seeing now regardless of how it’s delivered

and let’s not forget that every single time biden speaks its divisive 

[BuckSwope 654]

6 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

I get it I do. Some people focus on words and others focus on actions I fit into the latter. I’d take every single 2017-2019 policy back as opposed to everything we are seeing now regardless of how it’s delivered

and let’s not forget that every single time biden speaks its divisive 

I don't follow his speeches either, so can't comment on every single time, but I agree he has been more devisive than I would have thought and i have seen enough examples.   Seems this is what we get now.  To be fair to Trump, he also didn't run on being a unifier, so that is a further ding on ol' Joe.   

My expectation is that our leaders lead- more importantly for that job.  That includes actions, but that also means to me refraining from being a divise .  I am more disappointed than not in the last decade, as you can imagine.  

It's speaking and leadership 101.  

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15 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Do you think Obama being racially divisive is why Trump won in 2016? (That’s how this whole Obama conversation got started)

Interesting question.  I'll say it helped; I don't know if it is THE reason.  I think it helped to create a defensiveness within white America which left many people more open to the populist message of Trump.  

I don't think it was as influential as, say, our elites in both parties not giving a rat's ass about blue collar working class people (unless you consider giving them free stuff because the ruling class had done nothing to help rebuild manufacturing in America "helping").  Looking at where Trump flipped things to win it, IMO this is the key factor.

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

4 hours ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Wouldn’t know nor would I care. Not a trump supporter. But I pretty much hear that everyday anyways 

you probably think Haiti isn’t a 3rd world sh1thole too

@Raven Fan....you have to know that Raiders says he isn't a Trump supporter but he will put his cape on and swoop in any time someone says something remotely bad about Trump. 

 

4 hours ago, Masshole said:

Just dropped back in to this thread to see how it's going.   Yup, just about what I expected.    Nothing easier to get the lefty bees nest humming than daring to say Obama wasn't our saint and savior.

 

 

Yeah you came back...saw my post countering some of the things you said and you had nothing to add so you backed away. 

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4 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

@Raven Fan....you have to know that Raiders says he isn't a Trump supporter but he will put his cape on and swoop in any time someone says something remotely bad about Trump. 

 

Yeah you came back...saw my post countering some of the things you said and you had nothing to add so you backed away. 

Wrong only in instances of tds