I guess the Fetterman Oz debate didn't go so well.

[craftsman 1,045]

3 minutes ago, edjr said:

  Did Trump win?   Did he have an R next to his name? 

He lost. Therefore, Joe Biden, massive tax and spend during a recession, open borders, felons on the streets, and foreign war support. Trump only won in 2016 because Obama stirred up the racial divide so bad people didn't know what to do. 

[edjr 6,597]

2 minutes ago, craftsman said:

He lost. 

How was he president if he lost? He had an R next to his name. 

[craftsman 1,045]

Just now, edjr said:

How was he president if he lost? He had an R next to his name. 

 

3 minutes ago, craftsman said:

He lost. Therefore, Joe Biden, massive tax and spend during a recession, open borders, felons on the streets, and foreign war support. Trump only won in 2016 because Obama stirred up the racial divide so bad people didn't know what to do. 

 

[edjr 6,597]

idiot

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

48 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Fetterman won’t be around for long. It is known. 

What is known?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,448]

2 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

What is known?

That he won’t be around for long. 

[BuckSwope 654]

3 hours ago, avoiding injuries said:

So Fetterman is clinically retarded because of a stroke. Understandable. What’s the excuse for his voters of their retardation?

1.  D next to his name

2.  Voting pro-choice

3.  Dr. Oz comes off as a sleazy doosh

4.  My understanding is he is still recovering and will continue to improve, so maybe people think this is temporary.  

5.  Many other reasons, I'd guess - do you know any PA voters?

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

That he won’t be around for long. 

Cause he is dying?

Cause they are replacing him?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,448]

3 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Cause he is dying?

Cause they are replacing him?

Either. He won’t be around for long. Out before 2024. Thats my guess. The guy is an embarrassment. 

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

25 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Either. He won’t be around for long. Out before 2024. Thats my guess. The guy is an embarrassment. 

Is this a real prediction or a JustinCharge nuclear war prediction?

[OldMaid 2,130]

3 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Is this a real prediction or a JustinCharge nuclear war prediction?

They said Biden would be replaced by now, too.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,448]

3 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Is this a real prediction or a JustinCharge nuclear war prediction?

Huh? You really need what I wrote explained to you? And why are you attempting to align me with Justin? As if what I wrote is outlandish? Why do you do these things? 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,448]

And why is old skank weighing in on my conversations? I though we had a deal? Thats like three times today. Do what you said you were going to do or just admit you can’t help yourself. I kept up my end. 

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

2 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Fetterman won’t be around for long. It is known. 

More like:

Fetterman won't be around for long. It is complete speculation from a fantasy football board poster.

[OldMaid 2,130]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

And why is old skank weighing in on my conversations? I thought we had a deal? Thats like three times today. Do what you said you were going to do or just admit you can’t help yourself. I kept up my end. 

  First of all, I was making a comment to Mooney that is absolutely relevant to the conversation. Not sure about you specifically, but there were people posting that Biden would be replaced soon after he was elected. I don’t care enough to go look it up. 

Secondly, making a reference to you about something that someone else posted is not the same thing as engaging with you. Of course you know the difference but you just want to whine. 

Thirdly, sometimes it is possible to have a discussion with you without you being a complete d!ck. It doesn’t happen often but I reserve the right to make that decision on a case by case basis.

And lastly, I’m a focking woman- so I’m always right and can change my mind 50 million times if I want.  

 

 

Fock you’re grumpy today!

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

Election Deniers discussion and (some) wins and losses:

 

https://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/2022-midterm-election/349971/

[TimHauck 2,878]

19 hours ago, craftsman said:

Trump only won in 2016 because Obama stirred up the racial divide so bad people didn't know what to do. 

Lol no he didn’t.  Trump won because people thought his business experience would be good for the economy particularly working class voters, Hillary’s emails and the fact that Bernie Sanders voters didn’t like her, and that he said he would “drain the swamp” which was something that many people that hate politicians as a whole works wanted to see.

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

Lol no he didn’t.  Trump won because people thought his business experience would be good for the economy particularly working class voters, Hillary’s emails and the fact that Bernie Sanders voters didn’t like her, and that he said he would “drain the swamp” which was something that many people that hate politicians as a whole works wanted to see.

The whole idea of "Obama stirred up the racial divide," is completely idiotic. It is something the right says so they can blame racism on a black person. There are plenty of things to dislike about Obama and his policies without making up, or relying on, nonsense

[craftsman 1,045]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

Lol no he didn’t.  

Yes he did. He set race relations back 50+ years easy.

[TimHauck 2,878]

6 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

The whole idea of "Obama stirred up the racial divide," is completely idiotic. It is something the right says so they can blame racism on a black person. There are plenty of things to dislike about Obama and his policies without making up, or relying on, nonsense

Yeah I don’t recall that much overall dislike for Obama or frankly the state of the country as a whole leading up to the 2016 election (although I voted for Trump I was not a fan of the Make America Great Again slogan as I thought it was already great).   If there was, that should have been reflected in the polling that was claiming Hillary would coast to an easy victory (likely also resulting in decreased voter turnout of would-be Hillary voters).  Trump won because people thought he was a better candidate than Hillary, had little if anything to do with Obama.

[craftsman 1,045]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

Yeah I don’t recall that much overall dislike for Obama or frankly the state of the country as a whole leading up to the 2016 election (although I voted for Trump I was not a fan of the Make America Great Again slogan as I thought it was already great).   If there was, that should have been reflected in the polling that was claiming Hillary would coast to an easy victory (likely also resulting in decreased voter turnout of would-be Hillary voters).  Trump won because people thought he was a better candidate than Hillary, had little if anything to do with Obama.

 

Obama’s Legacy Is a Weaker and More Divided America

Americans voted in November for seismic change, but our outgoing president is still as clueless as ever about the nation he governed.

In his farewell speech--lecture earlier this month, President Barack Obama proclaimed that he made America better by “almost every measure.”

The statement goes far beyond optimism, and lands squarely in the realm of delusion.

Eight years of Obama’s leadership has left America demonstrably weaker and more divided. Rather than the promised “healing”—racial and other—the Obama era frayed the ties that bind us.

https://www.heritage.org/political-process/commentary/obamas-legacy-weaker-and-more-divided-america

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How Obama Ruined Race Relations

https://www.theroot.com/how-obama-ruined-race-relations-1791550839

[craftsman 1,045]

 

John Mitchell: This Frankenstein of racism was created, indirectly, by Obama

https://www.phillytrib.com/commentary/columns/john-mitchell-this-frankenstein-of-racism-was-created-indirectly-by-obama/article_9e2d0966-45d7-5456-902e-6d2eb60018c7.html

[Herbivore 1,134]

2 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

The whole idea of "Obama stirred up the racial divide," is completely idiotic. It is something the right says so they can blame racism on a black person. There are plenty of things to dislike about Obama and his policies without making up, or relying on, nonsense

agreed, complete nonsense

[Masshole 642]

1 hour ago, Sean Mooney said:

The whole idea of "Obama stirred up the racial divide," is completely idiotic. It is something the right says so they can blame racism on a black person. There are plenty of things to dislike about Obama and his policies without making up, or relying on, nonsense

Man, being wrong must be a hobby for you.  

Just off the top of my head:

• BO went to race-baiting when he looked like he was going to lose his 2nd term to Romney
• Stupidly got involved with and commented on his "friend Skip Gates" and his altercation with Cambridge police.   Refresher - Gates is black the cops were white
• Didn't check his AG when Holder said "when it comes to race we have always been a nation of cowards"
• His VP candidate told an audience of AA's that republicans would "put them back in chains".   BO did nothing to check that.
• Weighed in, incorrectly, about Ferguson, MO and BLM.    Did nothing the check the spread of lies about Ferguson and fomented many of them himself.  Remember "hands up, don't shoot"?
• Trayvon Martin is what his son would look like if he had one
• Never used his position as the first AA to be elected president to calm racial strife.   All studies of the use of the terms "race" and "racism" show that the use of those terms in the news skyrocketed during Obama's 2 terms
• How the hell do you have an AA president but somehow race relations got worse and somehow the concept of the USA being a "systemically racist" country exploded? 

I am sure I could make a much longer list than this if I actually tried to look some more stuff up.   

 

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

6 minutes ago, Masshole said:

Man, being wrong must be a hobby for you.  

Just off the top of my head:

• BO went to race-baiting when he looked like he was going to lose his 2nd term to Romney
• Stupidly got involved with and commented on his "friend Skip Gates" and his altercation with Cambridge police.   Refresher - Gates is black the cops were white
• Didn't check his AG when Holder said "when it comes to race we have always been a nation of cowards"
• His VP candidate told an audience of AA's that republicans would "put them back in chains".   BO did nothing to check that.
• Weighed in, incorrectly, about Ferguson, MO and BLM.    Did nothing the check the spread of lies about Ferguson and fomented many of them himself.  Remember "hands up, don't shoot"?
• Trayvon Martin is what his son would look like if he had one
• Never used his position as the first AA to be elected president to calm racial strife.   All studies of the use of the terms "race" and "racism" show that the use of those terms in the news skyrocketed during Obama's 2 terms
• How the hell do you have an AA president but somehow race relations got worse and somehow the concept of the USA being a "systemically racist" country exploded? 

I am sure I could make a much longer list than this if I actually tried to look some more stuff up.   

 

Yeah- that's still a lot of garbage thrown into one post. Your streak continues. 

But you get to blame the AA President for race being out of control. So good for you. Keep that narrative going. Your overlords would be appreciative. 

If you actually tried to look stuff up you'd probably have something intelligent to say rather than talking out of your rear end. 

[Reality 3,121]

The revisionist history on Obama by the local left going on in this thread is incredible. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,448]

Lol that Obama didn’t race bait. What ever happened to occupy Wall Street? All that outrage? Yeah, it was replaced. With racial divide. 

[MDC 7,439]

4 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Lol no he didn’t.  Trump won because people thought his business experience would be good for the economy particularly working class voters, Hillary’s emails and the fact that Bernie Sanders voters didn’t like her, and that he said he would “drain the swamp” which was something that many people that hate politicians as a whole works wanted to see.

You’re talking to a guy who got banned from the GC for dropping n bombs and thinks posting “negro” over and over is hilarious. 

[TimHauck 2,878]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Lol that Obama didn’t race bait. What ever happened to occupy Wall Street? All that outrage? Yeah, it was replaced. 

Occupy Wall Street was race baiting?

[Masshole 642]

16 minutes ago, Reality said:

The revisionist history on Obama by the local left going on in this thread is incredible. 

From the same crew who scream "Trumpism is a cult" all day long - they can't possibly entertain the slightest possibility that BO was anything but the greatest president ever and one who would never, ever stoop to race-baiting for political expediency. . .

It's actually pretty funny when you think about 

[TimHauck 2,878]

29 minutes ago, Masshole said:

Man, being wrong must be a hobby for you.  

Just off the top of my head:

• BO went to race-baiting when he looked like he was going to lose his 2nd term to Romney
• Stupidly got involved with and commented on his "friend Skip Gates" and his altercation with Cambridge police.   Refresher - Gates is black the cops were white
• Didn't check his AG when Holder said "when it comes to race we have always been a nation of cowards"
• His VP candidate told an audience of AA's that republicans would "put them back in chains".   BO did nothing to check that.
• Weighed in, incorrectly, about Ferguson, MO and BLM.    Did nothing the check the spread of lies about Ferguson and fomented many of them himself.  Remember "hands up, don't shoot"?
• Trayvon Martin is what his son would look like if he had one
• Never used his position as the first AA to be elected president to calm racial strife.   All studies of the use of the terms "race" and "racism" show that the use of those terms in the news skyrocketed during Obama's 2 terms
• How the hell do you have an AA president but somehow race relations got worse and somehow the concept of the USA being a "systemically racist" country exploded? 

I am sure I could make a much longer list than this if I actually tried to look some more stuff up.   

 

I’m not disputing that Obama said things that some would consider “race baiting.”

I am disputing the ridiculous claim that they were the reason Trump won in 2016.

[avoiding injuries 1,587]

2 hours ago, craftsman said:

Yes he did. He set race relations back 50+ years easy.

He set it back at least 30 years just for me. 

[craftsman 1,045]

This page of this thread alone indicates how utterly blind the left is to what is actually going on in this country.

You can point out the truth all you want but they will keep their blinders on and just push their feeble cutdowns they learned in 4th grade. 

[TimHauck 2,878]

8 minutes ago, craftsman said:

This page of this thread alone indicates how utterly blind the left is to what is actually going on in this country.

You can point out the truth all you want but they will keep their blinders on and just push their feeble cutdowns they learned in 4th grade. 

You think Obama is why Trump beat Hillary, lol

[Hardcore troubadour 15,448]

It’s like the leftist lunatics weren’t around in 2016. How come it went from the left yelling about the banks, Wall Street and the oligarchs to yelling about equity and racism all of a sudden? No more yelling about stupid wars. It’s funny a big sell for Obama in 2008 was he didn’t vote for the war. In 2016 the democrats nominated Hillary who did and was in the banks and wall streets pocket. Funny how we saw the pivot to racism away from those issues. Hardcore farms remembers. 

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

1 hour ago, Masshole said:

From the same crew who scream "Trumpism is a cult" all day long - they can't possibly entertain the slightest possibility that BO was anything but the greatest president ever and one who would never, ever stoop to race-baiting for political expediency. . .

It's actually pretty funny when you think about 

No. I think the cult of Obama and hero worship of him was pretty stupid as well. He certainly wasn't anything close to the greatest president ever either.

Anymore things you want to be wrong about?

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

39 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

It’s like the leftist lunatics weren’t around in 2016. How come it went from the left yelling about the banks, Wall Street and the oligarchs to yelling about equity and racism all of a sudden? No more yelling about stupid wars. It’s funny a big sell for Obama in 2008 was he didn’t vote for the war. In 2016 the democrats nominated Hillary who did and was in the banks and wall streets pocket. Funny how we saw the pivot to racism away from those issues. Hardcore farms remembers. 

I mean- it's pretty simple...messaging changes. In 2008 coming out of Bush the idea was to sell Obama not voting for the war as a counter to McCain and the 8 years of Bush. In 2016 they were selling a different message.

Like in 2016, Trump's team sold that Trump was a man of the people as opposed to the Wall Street based Hillary. In 2024, Trump's team will probably try to sell something different. 

[avoiding injuries 1,587]

2 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

I mean- it's pretty simple...messaging changes. In 2008 coming out of Trump… 

Damn. He’s all up in your mind. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,448]

So the messaging is if we nominate a candidate that didn’t vote for a stupid war, hammer it home. And if we nominate a candidate that did vote for a stupid war, ignore that and talk about racism. So much nuance for someone to delve into.