How Twitter helped result in actual election interference

[TimHauck 2,844]

Eric Topol, who was somewhat knowledgeable about Covid (I was not a huge fan of his but I know I have posted 1 or 2 of his tweets, most of which were just quoting data) but had a huge twitter following, must have also had TDS and was able to successfully get the Covid vaccine approval delayed by a few weeks until after the election.  

Although @Casual Observer is an idiot, he had brought this up earlier, and I apologize for not addressing it. I was initially not really interested in the political side of the Covid discussion (and after all, I did vote for Trump).  But now that Covid is basically over I think it’s fair to rehash some of the mistakes that were made and I’d put this up there as it cost lives during a rise in cases/deaths, and his motivation appears to be more political than scientific.

https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/10/19/1010646/campaign-stop-covid-19-vaccine-trump-election-day/amp/
 

[Raven Fan 362]

31 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Eric Topol, who was somewhat knowledgeable about Covid (I was not a huge fan of his but I know I have posted 1 or 2 of his tweets, most of which were just quoting data) but had a huge twitter following, must have also had TDS and was able to successfully get the Covid vaccine approval delayed by a few weeks until after the election.  

Although @Casual Observer is an idiot, he had brought this up earlier, and I apologize for not addressing it. I was initially not really interested in the political side of the Covid discussion (and after all, I did vote for Trump).  But now that Covid is basically over I think it’s fair to rehash some of the mistakes that were made and I’d put this up there as it cost lives during a rise in cases/deaths, and his motivation appears to be more political than scientific.

https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/10/19/1010646/campaign-stop-covid-19-vaccine-trump-election-day/amp/
 

lmfao as outing yourself as voting for Trump.

Now the only intelligent people on this board think you're a moron. 

[Casual Observer 597]

2 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Eric Topol, who was somewhat knowledgeable about Covid (I was not a huge fan of his but I know I have posted 1 or 2 of his tweets, most of which were just quoting data) but had a huge twitter following, must have also had TDS and was able to successfully get the Covid vaccine approval delayed by a few weeks until after the election.  

Although @Casual Observer is an idiot, he had brought this up earlier, and I apologize for not addressing it. I was initially not really interested in the political side of the Covid discussion (and after all, I did vote for Trump).  But now that Covid is basically over I think it’s fair to rehash some of the mistakes that were made and I’d put this up there as it cost lives during a rise in cases/deaths, and his motivation appears to be more political than scientific.

https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/10/19/1010646/campaign-stop-covid-19-vaccine-trump-election-day/amp/
 

Eric Topol was always an activist and he was always your favorite person to quote.  However, I recall he was outed as a liar and lost his credibility.  Just like you, Slo Nuts.

[TimHauck 2,844]

1 hour ago, Casual Observer said:

Eric Topol was always an activist and he was always your favorite person to quote.  However, I recall he was outed as a liar and lost his credibility.  Just like you, Slo Nuts.

What did he lie about? Not rhetorical, I wouldn’t remember since as I stated I only quoted him a few times.  I just remember you whining about how he was saying cases at some point in time were “all Delta” and you disagreed.

[jerryskids 6,783]

3 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Eric Topol, who was somewhat knowledgeable about Covid (I was not a huge fan of his but I know I have posted 1 or 2 of his tweets, most of which were just quoting data) but had a huge twitter following, must have also had TDS and was able to successfully get the Covid vaccine approval delayed by a few weeks until after the election.  

Although @Casual Observer is an idiot, he had brought this up earlier, and I apologize for not addressing it. I was initially not really interested in the political side of the Covid discussion (and after all, I did vote for Trump).  But now that Covid is basically over I think it’s fair to rehash some of the mistakes that were made and I’d put this up there as it cost lives during a rise in cases/deaths, and his motivation appears to be more political than scientific.

https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/10/19/1010646/campaign-stop-covid-19-vaccine-trump-election-day/amp/
 

Thanks for posting this.  I actually get Technology Review; it is in general a sad, super Lefty pub with MIT ties.  Looks like this is from October 2020, and the gist on quick scan is "Topol stopped the mean orange man from rushing through a vaccine which isn't ready."  I'd be interested to see if there was a follow up regarding the release a week or two after the election.  Again, I just gave it a quick scan.   

I will say that I always 'd at the timing of the releases.  I'm sure those were coincidences.

[TimHauck 2,844]

3 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Thanks for posting this.  I actually get Technology Review; it is in general a sad, super Lefty pub with MIT ties.  Looks like this is from October 2020, and the gist on quick scan is "Topol stopped the mean orange man from rushing through a vaccine which isn't ready."  I'd be interested to see if there was a follow up regarding the release a week or two after the election.  Again, I just gave it a quick scan.   

I will say that I always 'd at the timing of the releases.  I'm sure those were coincidences.

I vaguely recall the Topol story but don’t think much was ever made of it, even from the right.

I was reminded of it by this interesting new video from Dr Vinay Prasad, who probably actually was one of my top 5 posted tweets, even though even he has been called an anti-vaxx’er, but I’d say I agree with most of his takes.

At 4:15 he talks about the hypocrisy from the media in 2020 being skeptical of the vaccine compared to how they covered it in 2021 (with some interesting receipts)

6:15 is an interesting chart, showing the % of people saying they’d take the vaccine actually declined from May to September 2020, suggesting this was likely driven by the media coverage (although I’d note that Dems were always higher than Repubs)

7:00 he gets into the Topol story and even discusses the technical changes that were made as a result of his campaigning, to which Dr. Prasad concluded was unnecessary 

 

 

 

[TimHauck 2,844]

Weird that the GC doesn’t seem to care about actual election interference.  I bet Trump wins if the vaccine was authorized before the election

[TimHauck 2,844]

Welp, looks like the GC doesn’t care about actual election interference because they refuse to admit that centrists knew the vaccines were the key in ending the pandemic (and still believe it).  But by all means, please continue speculating about what you think happened in meetings between the FBI and social media companies, meanwhile we have actual evidence of election interference here.

[jerryskids 6,783]

On 12/10/2022 at 6:22 PM, TimHauck said:

Weird that the GC doesn’t seem to care about actual election interference.  I bet Trump wins if the vaccine was authorized before the election

I just saw you ping me about this in another thread, thanks.  I had not listened but just did, to the first 11 minutes or so.  I agree with everything he said and with your summary.   

Also I'm not an anti-vaxxer for the elderly and compromised, and have long said (including recently above) that I don't believe in the coincidence of the timing of the releases.  It is nice to have some evidence to support that suspicion.

Also that chart is interesting; as you stated a significant portion of vax hesitancy can be ascribed to Leftist MSM negative reporting during Trump's admin.  They'll never admit that of course.

Anyway, if time allows I'll listen on as he had some other interesting topics in his agenda, but for now, thanks for posting.   

[Djgb13 2,339]

Hilarious that the retards in this thread are defending corrupt criminals that not only broke the law but also have put people in jail for trying to expose them

[TimHauck 2,844]

Who got put in jail for trying to expose a “corrupt criminal”?

[jonmx 2,429]

It seems the FBI paid Twitter over $3 million to suppress the Hunter story.  The FBI needs to be gutted.   

[Strike 5,516]

1 minute ago, jonmx said:

It seems the FBI paid Twitter over $3 million to suppress the Hunter story.  The FBI needs to be gutted.   

Per Musk they also paid other SM sites. 

[jonmx 2,429]

7 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Who got put in jail for trying to expose a “corrupt criminal”?

Just had their homes raided and threats of prosecution.   Nothing to see here. 

[jonmx 2,429]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

Per Musk they also paid other SM sites. 

They are a frigging arm for the DNC.  Anyone who does not see these bastards intentionally let January 6th happen, is not paying attention.

[jerryskids 6,783]

Tim started this thread to talk about how the suppression of the Covid vax by a few weeks helped Biden win the election, and killed a bunch of people from Delta as a bonus.  Not the Hunter laptop, we have plenty of threads on that.

[Strike 5,516]

1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

Tim started this thread to talk about how the suppression of the Covid vax by a few weeks helped Biden win the election, and killed a bunch of people from Delta as a bonus.  Not the Hunter laptop, we have plenty of threads on that.

Well, this is his thread title:

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How Twitter helped result in actual election interference

Seems like SM suppressing the Hunter Biden laptop story fits right in with that tile.  And if you look at this thread, it would already be dead and on page 10 but for Timmy bumping this thread and apparently directing you to it in another thread.   He should just be happy people are posting in it.

[jerryskids 6,783]

6 minutes ago, Strike said:

Well, this is his thread title:

Seems like SM suppressing the Hunter Biden laptop story fits right in with that tile.  And if you look at this thread, it would already be dead and on page 10 but for Timmy bumping this thread and apparently directing you to it in another thread.   He should just be happy people are posting in it.

Fair enough.  I just think that this Covid vaccine suppression is an interesting angle; the reason the thread is dying is because the Lefties have no good response, so there isn't the back and forth.  

Carry on.   

[GobbleDog 996]

I don't know anyone who has a Twitter account? Anyone here?  Who cares what celebrities think?  Who are all these "followers" they talk about?

I get why news agencies love Twitter.... making stories out of nothing without spending a dime. "Today, Miley Cyrus posted on her Twitter account - #$$#$@#$%#....  And her followers aren't happy about it. Bumble-Weed 2094 writes 'Miley needs to shut her damn mouth.' And that's the latest. Back to you Ken."

[Djgb13 2,339]

20 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

I don't know anyone who has a Twitter account? Anyone here?  Who cares what celebrities think?  Who are all these "followers" they talk about?

I get why news agencies love Twitter.... making stories out of nothing without spending a dime. "Today, Miley Cyrus posted on her Twitter account - #$$#$@#$%#....  And her followers aren't happy about it. Bumble-Weed 2094 writes 'Miley needs to shut her damn mouth.' And that's the latest. Back to you Ken."

I’ve got one but I never really get on there. It’s still almost nothing but retarded liberals spouting about how evil Elon and trump are

[TimHauck 2,844]

54 minutes ago, jonmx said:

Just had their homes raided and threats of prosecution.   Nothing to see here. 

I’m not sure who you’re referring to

edit:  wait are you talking about the Hunter laptop repairman?  Sorry, I thought the original reply saying who was trying to be exposed was Fauci or something 

[TimHauck 2,844]

1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

I just saw you ping me about this in another thread, thanks.  I had not listened but just did, to the first 11 minutes or so.  I agree with everything he said and with your summary.   

Also I'm not an anti-vaxxer for the elderly and compromised, and have long said (including recently above) that I don't believe in the coincidence of the timing of the releases.  It is nice to have some evidence to support that suspicion.

Also that chart is interesting; as you stated a significant portion of vax hesitancy can be ascribed to Leftist MSM negative reporting during Trump's admin.  They'll never admit that of course.

Anyway, if time allows I'll listen on as he had some other interesting topics in his agenda, but for now, thanks for posting.   

Yeah some posters here want to focus on comments about the vaccine by politicians that I don’t think were even that bad, the media was much more biased than the politicians were.

[TimHauck 2,844]

13 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Fair enough.  I just think that this Covid vaccine suppression is an interesting angle; the reason the thread is dying is because the Lefties have no good response, so there isn't the back and forth.  

Carry on.   

I disagree with this.  Well technically it may have some truth since I’m not a lefty, but the only righties that posted in here before yesterday were you and Casual Observer, and he disappeared after I asked him a question.  And the rest are still yammering about the laptop.  I think there’s not much comment from most righties because they don’t want to admit that actual centrists could have had their vote swayed by the vaccine authorization (and they also realize that it has been effective in helping to end the pandemic, along with natural immunity).
 

13 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Tim started this thread to talk about how the suppression of the Covid vax by a few weeks helped Biden win the election, and killed a bunch of people from Delta as a bonus.  Not the Hunter laptop, we have plenty of threads on that.

Thank you for trying to keep us on topic though.   Apparently in addition to not caring about actual election interference, much of the GC can’t read either, but no surprise there.

Edit:  btw not really important but I wouldn’t say they were killed by delta, it was the January wave that we might’ve been able to lessen if it was authorized earlier.  I brought up Delta since @Casual Observer had a weird obsession with some comment Eric Topol made about Delta

[TimHauck 2,844]

12 hours ago, Djgb13 said:

I’ve got one but I never really get on there. It’s still almost nothing but retarded liberals spouting about how evil Elon and trump are

This is categorically false, you clearly spend all your time on tiktok and not twitter.   There are millions of right wing trolls on twitter, many of them just have little following.  I’ve seen data showing that there are far more right wing posts on there, by people trying to say twitter wasn’t biased.  But I’m not sure that’s true since where the bias seemed to come in was in taking action against the bigger accounts. Although the FBI seemed to care about inconsequential accounts, Twitter didn’t.

[TimHauck 2,844]

13 hours ago, GobbleDog said:

I don't know anyone who has a Twitter account? Anyone here?  Who cares what celebrities think?  Who are all these "followers" they talk about?

I get why news agencies love Twitter.... making stories out of nothing without spending a dime. "Today, Miley Cyrus posted on her Twitter account - #$$#$@#$%#....  And her followers aren't happy about it. Bumble-Weed 2094 writes 'Miley needs to shut her damn mouth.' And that's the latest. Back to you Ken."

Unfortunately a lot of people care what celebrities think.  And Twitter is one of the only places where you can hear what celebrities think, often before it gets filtered by a publicist (for better or worse).

But outside of the celebrity angle, it’s basically just a message board.

[TimHauck 2,844]

13 hours ago, Strike said:

Well, this is his thread title:

Seems like SM suppressing the Hunter Biden laptop story fits right in with that tile.  And if you look at this thread, it would already be dead and on page 10 but for Timmy bumping this thread and apparently directing you to it in another thread.   He should just be happy people are posting in it.

SM suppressing the laptop story didn’t result in “actual election interference” though since the suppression actually resulted in MORE people finding out about the story.

A “social media influencer” that happened to be a doctor playing a major role in the vaccine being delayed by just a couple weeks, which many people don’t even know about, should be a much bigger story IMO, at least as it relates to claims of election interference 

[jerryskids 6,783]

3 hours ago, TimHauck said:

I disagree with this.  Well technically it may have some truth since I’m not a lefty, but the only righties that posted in here before yesterday were you and Casual Observer, and he disappeared after I asked him a question.  And the rest are still yammering about the laptop.  I think there’s not much comment from most righties because they don’t want to admit that actual centrists could have had their vote swayed by the vaccine authorization (and they also realize that it has been effective in helping to end the pandemic, along with natural immunity).
 

Thank you for trying to keep us on topic though.   Apparently in addition to not caring about actual election interference, much of the GC can’t read either, but no surprise there.

Edit:  btw not really important but I wouldn’t say they were killed by delta, it was the January wave that we might’ve been able to lessen if it was authorized earlier.  I brought up Delta since @Casual Observer had a weird obsession with some comment Eric Topol made about Delta

1. I don't think you understood what I was saying.  I wasn't calling you a lefty here; this thread topic is clearly not doing that.  I'm saying OTHER lefties have nothing to add, although they may be building shrines to this guy for saving us from four more years of the mean orange man.  So there isn't the back and forth of a Hunter laptop topic.  

Also there is a difference between being swayed by vax authorization, and the vaxxes actually working.  I'm not arguing the latter, merely saying they are mutually exclusive.

2. I mentioned delta because I thought your video doc did, perhaps in the intro.  No big deal either way, tens of thousands of people still unnecessarily died, but we kept Trump out of office, so it was all worth it.   

[Strike 5,516]

3 hours ago, TimHauck said:

SM suppressing the laptop story didn’t result in “actual election interference” though since the suppression actually resulted in MORE people finding out about the story.

A “social media influencer” that happened to be a doctor playing a major role in the vaccine being delayed by just a couple weeks, which many people don’t even know about, should be a much bigger story IMO, at least as it relates to claims of election interference 

This is untrue.  Certainly it's untrue PRIOR to the presidential election.

[RLLD 4,228]

3 hours ago, TimHauck said:

SM suppressing the laptop story didn’t result in “actual election interference” though since the suppression actually resulted in MORE people finding out about the story.

A “social media influencer” that happened to be a doctor playing a major role in the vaccine being delayed by just a couple weeks, which many people don’t even know about, should be a much bigger story IMO, at least as it relates to claims of election interference 

I am not sure.  We have been told that the reason Twitter et al had to establish these cults within their organizations was to fend off Russian interference.  So they then suppressed content based on THEIR positions, not on a well-defined standard, and that suppression disproportionately hit conservative voices.

They felt that Russia was able to post information that led to election-related outcomes, and sought to mute that.  And in doing so, they replicated the very thing they proposed to fix. 

If it was enough of a problem that they acted on it....then implicitly.....their mismanagement of it was also influential..

[TimHauck 2,844]

4 hours ago, jerryskids said:

1. I don't think you understood what I was saying.  I wasn't calling you a lefty here; this thread topic is clearly not doing that.  I'm saying OTHER lefties have nothing to add, although they may be building shrines to this guy for saving us from four more years of the mean orange man.  So there isn't the back and forth of a Hunter laptop topic.  

Also there is a difference between being swayed by vax authorization, and the vaxxes actually working.  I'm not arguing the latter, merely saying they are mutually exclusive.

2. I mentioned delta because I thought your video doc did, perhaps in the intro.  No big deal either way, tens of thousands of people still unnecessarily died, but we kept Trump out of office, so it was all worth it.   

1.  Maybe true.  But not fair to blame just the lefties because the righties apparently don’t want to talk about it either.

1b.  Agree, except if people don’t believe they’re effective they can’t use lines like “Topol has blood on his hands” or whatever.   But I do think most centrists do know that the vaccines have been effective at preventing deaths, albeit disappointed it didn’t remain as effective at preventing infection as the trials showed.

2. oh maybe, don’t remember 

[RLLD 4,228]

 

I see a potential problem with this.  To date Democrats have clearly leveraged these social media companies to gain a political advantage. To hide information and spread misinformation.  To some extent, they are addicted to it.  And lets consider what happens when you take the drugs away from an addict.

I expect this will produce such a sense of urgency for them that their reaction will be disproportionately harmful.  The pendulum swing here might be rather nasty. I could envision these people dropping any facade of morality or constitutionality and really get after this in other ways. 

[zsasz 369]

On 12/10/2022 at 8:22 PM, TimHauck said:

Weird that the GC doesn’t seem to care about actual election interference.  I bet Trump wins if the vaccine was authorized before the election

Hillary wins if Comeys October Surprise doesn't happen.  

Politics be politics.

 

There's probably less deaths from COVID post election if Trump won as he'd probably be able to sway some of his supporters to get vaccinations. 

[TimHauck 2,844]

Good (albeit long) centrist article from Prasad touching on this Topol story (TL/DR: people died and the election results were likely influenced by the vaccine approval being delayed a few weeks seemingly for political reasons), as well as some other policy mistakes around the vaccines most of which I agree with.  Of course one thing that was not a mistake was the authorization of the vaccine as a whole.

https://zenodo.org/record/7405924

[RLLD 4,228]

You might want to tread carefully here, I believe that Trump is being indicted for suggesting an election was not on the up and up.....

That being said, we have already been assured that Twitter did nothing, was not involved....so.....

[TimHauck 2,844]

22 minutes ago, RLLD said:

 

That being said, we have already been assured that Twitter did nothing, was not involved....so.....

You obviously didn’t read the thread…

[RLLD 4,228]

17 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

You obviously didn’t read the thread…

But we have been told over and over, media has covered this exhaustively and the DOJ has strenuously denied all this. 

[TimHauck 2,844]

23 minutes ago, RLLD said:

But we have been told over and over, media has covered this exhaustively and the DOJ has strenuously denied all this. 

Pease read my (and jerry's) posts in this thread.  Thanks.

[RLLD 4,228]

7 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Pease read my (and jerry's) posts in this thread.  Thanks.

In general I am rather confident that there was a movement to oppose Trump, and social media was at the heart of it, but it was fomented by the left and their partners in the media cabal.

I think I was sort of surprised that it worked, I mean they tried so hard in the months leading up to the 2016 election, and it did not work then. But I think people were just weary of the onslaught of negativity, even though none of it was real. 

That being said, we know now.....because of the indictment of Trump using law from the mid-1880's that mentioning interference in an election is now proscecutable. 

Congrats to the leftists, they continue to erode our rights to feed their need to steal power....what else is there to say?

[Fireballer 2,642]

6 minutes ago, RLLD said:

In general I am rather confident that there was a movement to oppose Trump, and social media was at the heart of it, but it was fomented by the left and their partners in the media cabal.

 

Come on, man.  They “fortified” the election and “saved” us from Trump.  Lying, cheating, and stealing is all good if you perceive that you are morally right.

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,385]

Of course the left cheats and rigs things. The people don’t like their ideas and policies. Only the ones unaffected by them like them. They would never win without cheating/ rigging.