Mel Gibson Yea/Nay???

[BeenHereBefore 1,520]

3 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

      It's my favorite Fincher.  

Great flick even though Arthur Leigh wasn't Zodiac.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,429]

9 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Yes, and I listened to an interview with the creator on one of the pods in my rotation.  

And what did you learn? 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,102]

34 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Floor is Lava. 

WTH is that?  I never heard of it.  There goes your "conservative are boycotting X because of Y" theory.

[BuckSwope 654]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

And what did you learn? 

That those scenes of "sexualizing kids" was based on her life experiences and anybody in 2020 with kids probably knows, it's very real and going on.  The scenes are pushing the envelope for sure, the movie is intended for adults, but taken in context of her life experiences and mine, I understood why they were in the movie.   It's not a good movie, I wouldn't recommend it, but watching it confirmed my suspicion that it was yet another example of people being idiots and losing their mind over dumb stuff.   Even funnier when they are outraged without watching something.   No, watching out of context clips of the movie that your media is spoon feeding you and telling you to be upset about isn't thinking for yourself.   It certainly isn't an example of NOT being thin skinned either.  

[BuckSwope 654]

5 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

WTH is that?  I never heard of it.  There goes your "conservative are boycotting X because of Y" theory.

Some dumb ass game show on NF that at as soon as a couple years ago was their most popular shows. LINK   I couldn't give a rat's ass if you hadn't heard of it.  

[BuckSwope 654]

18 minutes ago, BeenHereBefore said:

Great flick even though Arthur Leigh wasn't Zodiac.

I might be watching this tonight now.   I watched my favorite Nolan the other night, maybe this would be a good follow up.  

[BuckSwope 654]

Nah, instead of that maybe I should watch Air America, because sub par Gibson movies rule!   If it's streaming, you want to start a group watch, @edjr?? 

[TimHauck 2,870]

2 hours ago, JustinCharge said:

what do you think of joe biden threatening to punch out trump, who was president at the time? 

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[JustinCharge 2,397]

Just now, TimHauck said:

Conservative bot, 010101001

liberal bot.  personal attack.  01010010101  beep boop.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,429]

18 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

That those scenes of "sexualizing kids" was based on her life experiences and anybody in 2020 with kids probably knows, it's very real and going on.  The scenes are pushing the envelope for sure, the movie is intended for adults, but taken in context of her life experiences and mine, I understood why they were in the movie.   It's not a good movie, I wouldn't recommend it, but watching it confirmed my suspicion that it was yet another example of people being idiots and losing their mind over dumb stuff.   Even funnier when they are outraged without watching something.   No, watching out of context clips of the movie that your media is spoon feeding you and telling you to be upset about isn't thinking for yourself.   It certainly isn't an example of NOT being thin skinned either.  

So they did show children in a sexually exploitive manner. Yeah, Fock that. I don’t care what the reason was. There’s something wrong with you people. Seriously 

[BuckSwope 654]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

So they did show children in a sexually exploitive manner. Yeah, Fock that. I don’t care what the reason was. There’s something wrong with you people. Seriously 

100% knew this would be the conclusion.   

Watch it or don't, WGAF.   Just don't try having intelligent conversations about what something is if you don't.    There I movies I wouldn't watch too for a variety of reasons.  But I am not forming an opinion about what it is or isn't based on out of context clips of the movie and other's opinions of it.   That's the difference.   In what world is forming an opinion on something you haven't bothered consuming free thinking?   I'm coming on these boards trying to convince others that it is or isn't something.   Also at least try to be consistent in the outrage and boycotting other platforms that show that or worse.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,429]

1 minute ago, BuckSwope said:

100% knew this would be the conclusion.   

Watch it or don't, WGAF.   Just don't try having intelligent conversations about what something is if you don't.    There I movies I wouldn't watch too for a variety of reasons.  But I am not forming an opinion about what it is or isn't based on out of context clips of the movie and other's opinions of it.   That's the difference.   In what world is forming an opinion on something you haven't bothered consuming free thinking?   I'm coming on these boards trying to convince others that it is or isn't something.   Also at least try to be consistent in the outrage and boycotting other platforms that show that or worse.  

I’m not having “intelligent” conversations about children being shown in a sexually suggestive manner. Get it? 

[BuckSwope 654]

Love that this is the board where there is something wrong with me for deciding to watch something and form my own opinion, but saying that a movie like The Sadness which features lovely things like eye socket rape and the such gave them a hard-on doesn't get a similar call out.      I am perfectly fine being on my side of the spectrum on this issue.  

[BuckSwope 654]

4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I’m not having “intelligent” conversations about children being shown in a sexually suggestive manner. Get it? 

Trust me, I got it right away that you aren't having intelligent conversations about much of anything.  That's why I largely ignore you.  I was just bored tonight and you were making me laugh.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,429]

26 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Trust me, I got it right away that you aren't having intelligent conversations about much of anything.  That's why I largely ignore you.  I was just bored tonight and you were making me laugh.  

Oh, so you were joking and you didn’t laud a movie that showed children in a sexually suggestive manner like you informed us it did? 

[BuckSwope 654]

IF you are one of these dorks are that boycotting a streaming service over a FICTIONAL depiction of something, but not raising a finger to boycott or put a stop to the real life routines or groups that foster these activities you are an idiot.    If you are boycotting NF because of Cuties, but not HBO that has on it a movie with an actual naked minor that it sexualizes at least admit that you were probably going to drop NF anyway or you are letting your media dictate what you are outraged about.  Speaking of Game of Thrones, I hope none of you consume those books or allow your kids near them - are you kidding me with the sexualization of minors??   

Let me guess is it because, well - Game of Thrones kicks ass and Cuties is some weird foreign movie with some LGTBQ stuff you were never going to watch anyway.    

Or if you have a brain you can be creeped out by the scenes, but understand that George was basing it off of historical real life depiction of things.   You know, like   what Cuties was doing?   

You not going to consume ANYTHING that sexualizes children or people and media who make that context?  That's certainly your right.   Just try to be a little consistent, and good luck having any streaming services left.  

[BuckSwope 654]

16 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Oh, so you were joking and you didn’t laud a movie that showed children in a sexually suggestive manner like you informed us it did? 

No, my posts were honest as usual, it's your posts and takes that I find unintelligent and funny.  

[MDC 7,425]

48 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Love that this is the board where there is something wrong with me for deciding to watch something and form my own opinion, but saying that a movie like The Sadness which features lovely things like eye socket rape and the such gave them a hard-on doesn't get a similar call out.      I am perfectly fine being on my side of the spectrum on this issue.  

The Sadness was awesome, laughed through basically the whole movie.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,429]

4 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

No, my posts were honest as usual, it's your posts and takes that I find unintelligent and funny.  

Sure.  But like you said , children were being shown in a sexually suggestive manner. And gave a reason why. As if that excuses it. You do you. 

[shorepatrol 1,870]

I dare you to find a longer list a of good movies an actor has been in. Mel may be the GOAT of entertaining movies. 

[BuckSwope 654]

33 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Sure.  But like you said , children were being shown in a sexually suggestive manner. And gave a reason why. As if that excuses it. You do you. 

Yep, and I gave many other examples of similar or worse, and dorks like you probably actually watch and consume and don't blink an eye or don't call out those services.  You do you as well.  We find each other dumb and funny for their choices. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,429]

Just now, BuckSwope said:

Yep, and I gave many other examples of similar or worse, and dorks like you probably actually watch and consume and don't blink an eye or don't call out those services.  You do you as well.  We find each other dumb and funny for their choices. 

What example did you give? As far as I know everyone in GOT that was shown in a sex scene was of age. If I’m wrong let me know. And why are  you getting so upset at me about what you said? You said it. 

[BuckSwope 654]

32 minutes ago, shorepatrol said:

I dare you to find a longer list a of good movies an actor has been in. Mel may be the GOAT of entertaining movies. 

Tom Cruise would be a good start.   Maybe on sheer volume Sam Jackson.  Old school like Brando or Jimmy Stewart.   Leo?  

Who cares who we name, it's all subjective and we like what we like.  I can't think of a Gibson movie I would watch over the best of any of those actors i listed above.   Just looking at Cruise, I'd probably get to the 10th best movie of his before I'd watch whatever I thought the best Gibson movie was if we lined them up and looked at them.  Again, different strokes and all. 

[BuckSwope 654]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

What example did you give? As far as I know everyone in GOT that was shown in a sex scene was of age. If I’m wrong let me know. And why are  you getting so upset at me about what you said? You said it. 

I've given the example a few times of a pretty unknown movie called Bolero that's either is currently on HBO or was at the time of the Cuties pearl clutching.  It features Bo Derek and a nude, sexualized, Olivia D'Abo in it.   Feel free to look it up and look up some of the creeps behind the movie.   We can come up with many others.   Nobody cares because that movie isn't on their social media.  Certainly that description is in par with what is in Cuties, and I'd argue without any artist merit of being based on real life experiences.  Ok, maybe not as weren't these creeps actually dating Bo before she was 18?   Feel free to explain why you think one is boycott worthy from your team and the other isn't.  It's all silly, but again you just have your partisan blinders on so you can't admit they are also being dumb and irrational.  

Read my post again, I specifically said the GOT books. All sorts of gross stuff with kids in a sexual nature.  I'm sure these same people will get right calling out those books or the publisher.   I know they aged up the characters and especially the actors. I honestly can't remember what Dany's character's age was in S1.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,429]

1 minute ago, BuckSwope said:

I've given the example a few times of a pretty unknown movie called Bolero that's either is currently on HBO or was at the time of the Cuties pearl clutching.  It features Bo Derek and a nude, sexualized, Olivia D'Abo in it.   Feel free to look it up and look up some of the creeps behind the movie.   We can come up with many others.   Nobody cares because that movie isn't on their social media.  Certainly that description is in par with what is in Cuties, and I'd argue without any artist merit of being based on real life experiences.  Ok, maybe not as weren't these creeps actually dating Bo before she was 18?   Feel free to explain why you think one is boycott worthy from your team and the other isn't.  It's all silly, but again you just have your partisan blinders on so you can't admit they are also being dumb and irrational.  

Read my post again, I specifically said the GOT books. All sorts of gross stuff with kids in a sexual nature.  I'm sure these same people will get right calling out those books or the publisher.   I know they aged up the characters and especially the actors. I honestly can't remember what Dany's character's age was in S1.  

Have I mentioned boycott? No. So why do you keep bringing it up? Keep your fantasies to yourself. And don’t watch shows that show actual children being sexualized. And definitely don’t explain why it’s ok. 

[BuckSwope 654]

I just looked it up, she was 13 in the books and 16/17 in the show.  

[BuckSwope 654]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Have I mentioned boycott? No. So why do you keep bringing it up? Keep your fantasies to yourself. And don’t watch shows that show actual children being sexualized. And definitely don’t explain why it’s ok. 

You are free to look up boycott and Cuties.  I never said you called for a boycott over such a thing, I said it happened, and I am certain it was largely from the right side of the aisle.   All I know about is you seem ignorant to other examples of similar thinhs and you don't seem to bother thinking of things in context.  You can tell me if you stopped watching NF or were upset about Cuties.  And if so, why you aren't equally upset about other examples.  

If you've seen 0 examples of people calling out NF or saying they are dropping NF over Cuties you have huge partisan blinders or not bothering to look.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,429]

4 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

You are free to look up boycott and Cuties.  I never said you called for a boycott over such a thing, I said it happened, and I am certain it was largely from the right side of the aisle.   All I know about is you seem ignorant to other examples of similar thinhs and you don't seem to bother thinking of things in context.  You can tell me if you stopped watching NF or were upset about Cuties.  And if so, why you aren't equally upset about other examples.  

If you've seen 0 examples of people calling out NF or saying they are dropping NF over Cuties you have huge partisan blinders or not bothering to look.  

Let me explain it again: there is no proper context for showing children being sexualized. There is no “intelligent “ conversation to be had about it. Go talk to the gals in your coffee clutch about it. If you do it around me I’m calling it out. 

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14 hours ago, edjr said:

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[BuckSwope 654]

4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Let me explain it again: there is no proper context for showing children being sexualized. There is no “intelligent “ conversation to be had about it. Go talk to the gals in your coffee clutch about it. If you do it around me I’m calling it out. 

Cool, I sure you are in other threads calling out your buddies for consuming those other examples.  If your opinion is that there is 0 context or call for any sexualizing of children at least be man enough to apply it universally and to any example, not just people you don't like or think are on another "team".   Maybe even start with actual examples in real life  of such not just people pretending and telling a story.  

Or don't, it's funnier this way.  It also confirms my belief that people of either party are prone to be manipulated by their media and SM feeds. 

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,429]

3 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Cool, I sure you are in other threads calling out your buddies for consuming those other examples.  If your opinion is that there is 0 context or call for any sexualizing of children at least be man enough to apply it universally and to any example, not just people you don't like or think are on another "team".   Maybe even start with actual examples in real life  of such not just people pretending and telling a story.  

Or don't, it's funnier this way.  It also confirms my belief that people of either party are prone to be manipulated by their media and SM feeds. 

 

Sigh. You said the children were sexualized for the movie because some reason blah blah.  No one is being manipulated. It’s not being lost in translation. It’s sick.  You defend it. Dems the facts. 

[BuckSwope 654]

5 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Sigh. You said the children were sexualized for the movie because some reason blah blah.  No one is being manipulated. It’s not being lost in translation. It’s sick.  You defend it. Dems the facts. 

So you just believed me then too?  

I answered all your questions - maybe try to return the favor.  Did you even watch the out of context clips?  If yes, what specifically was offensive to you?  What is your line as to what is and isn't offensive?

If you can't, then yes you are being manipulated.  You don't seem to be able to form your own opinion you either take someone's opinion of the movie as fact, or even worse you are just blindly reacting to "sexualization of children" on your media feed like a chimp.

Each side has their triggers- CRT, racism, this example, we could go on.  Most of the time it's faux outrage over some random post on the internet they can't describe or talk in depth about, wouldn't have even known if it didn't, yep, show up in their SM.   The cherry on top of this ignorant dessert is the go-to move of calling out the people choosing to watch something and make up their own mind vs doing the same themselves.  Just as dumb as the people on team blue calling for all statues and mention of racism.  No context, no attempt at conversation, sound familiar? 

Two sides, same coin.  I just find it funny when people act like their political team is immune to this nonsense.  Which is most of this board. 

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,429]

8 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

So you just believed me then too?  

I answered all your questions - maybe try to return the favor.  Did you even watch the out of context clips?  If yes, what specifically was offensive to you?  What is your line as to what is and isn't offensive?

If you can't, then yes you are being manipulated.  You don't seem to be able to form your own opinion you either take someone's opinion of the movie as fact, or even worse you are just blindly reacting to "sexualization of children" on your media feed like a chimp.

Each side has their triggers- CRT, racism, this example, we could go on.  Most of the time it's faux outrage over some random post on the internet they can't describe or talk in depth about, wouldn't have even known if it didn't, yep, show up in their SM.   The cherry on top of this ignorant dessert is the go-to move of calling out the people choosing to watch something and make up their own mind vs doing the same themselves.  Just as dumb as the people on team blue calling for all statues and mention of racism.  No context, no attempt at conversation, sound familiar? 

Two sides, same coin.  I just find it funny when people act like their political team is immune to this nonsense.  Which is most of this board. 

 

You said the children were being sexualized .  Why do I Have to watch? I’m taking your word for it. Unless you’re being manipulative.  But you’re not. 

[BuckSwope 654]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

You said the children were being sexualized .  Why do I Have to watch? I’m taking your word for it. Unless you’re being manipulative.  But you’re not. 

Exactly my point - you are taking the opinions of people online as fact.   You don't have to do a thing.  But you certainly can't be forming your own opinion on the matter if you can't even watch a clip of the movie. 

Can you even answer what exactly the "sexualization of children" is in this example?  Just the routine? Was there nudity? Was it the dialogue and situations?  That doesn't require watching the clip, it just requires reading about the movie.  Was there any thought put into it on your part or are you just reacting to a phrase like a chimp.  

Sexualization of minors and kids ranges from Bolero to American Beauty to Yellowjackets, to countless examples just in movies and TV.  I'd argue normal people have the ability to process those different examples and form their opinions of each.  

[BuckSwope 654]

The next level to the truth of the matter is these examples aren't just because of the sexual nature, it's that and..... lgtbq themes.  That's the reason they are in your right wing media and SM feeds.   It's so easy to trace the outrage to Christian groups, if you bothered to look.  Both books and movies/shows follow a similar pattern. 

Movies/tv:   Bolero (actual teen naked in a sexual situation, but hetero)  Crickets.  Ice Storm (teens in uncomfortable situations, again hetero) Crickets.  American Beauty( underage Thora birch showing her and sexualized, but hetero) Crickets.   Cuties- kids tweaking, in lgbtq situations..   internet Outrage!!!   

Books:  Game of Thrones, Crickets.  IT, Crickets.  YA books by John Greene, Crickets.   A book in a library that depicts a gay blow job?  Internet outrage!!

 

It's a joke.  Spare me the 0 tolerance for sexualizing kids and it's only about that bs and any my media is not doing this on purpose bs.  You are everything you and I hate about the left.  

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

15 hours ago, JustinCharge said:

what do you think of joe biden threatening to punch out trump, who was president at the time? 

I am not sure this is relevant to the present discussion.  That said I thought it was an inappropriate comment for a person who would be President.  I believe he thought it made him look commanding and forceful.  To me it made him seem childish. To me it was a misstep. Of course given the opportunities to speak most politicians misstep.

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8 hours ago, BunnysBastatrds said:

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[JustinCharge 2,397]

1 hour ago, Engorgeous George said:

I am not sure this is relevant to the present discussion.  That said I thought it was an inappropriate comment for a person who would be President.  I believe he thought it made him look commanding and forceful.  To me it made him seem childish. To me it was a misstep. Of course giving the opportunities to speak most politicians misstep.

how about all the people that went to prison for threatening president Obama?  Johnny Logan Spencer Jr got 33 months in prison for a poem threatening Obama.  Brian Dean Miller got 27 months in prison for threatening Obama.  Steven Taubert got 46 months in prison for threatening Obama.  At a minimum, Biden should be removed from office.

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

4 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

how about all the people that went to prison for threatening president Obama?  Johnny Logan Spencer Jr got 33 months in prison for a poem threatening Obama.  Brian Dean Miller got 27 months in prison for threatening Obama.  Steven Taubert got 46 months in prison for threatening Obama.  At a minimum, Biden should be removed from office.

Seems a discussion for another thread.  I will not go further down this sidetrack with you.  Perhaps you can find other takers.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

Just now, Engorgeous George said:

Seems a discussion for another thread.  I will not go further down this sidetrack with you.  Perhaps you can find other takers.

the only time people pull the "thats a discussion for another thread" card around here is when answering it makes them feel uncomfortable.   they want it in another thread so they can ignore it.