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4 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Will you guys shut the hell up.  My God you do this in every single thread you enter.  

This is what happens when trolls from the Left meet trolls from the Right. What we have here is a good old fashion sissy troll fight 24/7 loaded with misinformation and prejudice.

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Chicago hired an Andy Reid OC that Reid took the play calling back from.  It didn’t work out too well. Andy Reid, much like Bellicheck on defense, is a one man band on the offensive side of the ball. Everyone knows this. 

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I searched Andy's coaching tree and found this:

Sean McDermott (Bills), under Andy in various roles from 2001 - 2010.  Only finished under .500 once with the Bills and three consecutive AFC East titles.

John Harbaugh (Ravens), Special TeamsCoordinator for Eagles between '98 - '07, 52 games over .500 with the Ravens and won Super Bowl.

Matt Nagy (ex-Bears), went to playoffs in '18 and '20, back with the Chiefs now as an assistant and likely our next OC if Bienemy does leave.

Doug Pederson (Jaguars, ex-Eagles), former OC for Reid with the Chiefs, 51-45-1 as a HC and won Super Bowl.

Ron Rivera (Commanders, ex-Panthers), LB coach under Reid before becoming a DC elsewhere, 98-90-2 overall record.

Todd Bowles (Buccaneers, ex-Jet, ex-Dolphins), 34-50 overall record.

Pat Shurmur (ex-Giants, Eagles and Browns), was QB coach under Reid, 19-46 record.

Leslie Frazier (ex-Vikings), assistant under Reid from '92-'02, 21-32-1 overall record

Steve Spagnuolo (ex-Giants, Rams), 11-41 overall record, was assistant with Eagles from '99 - '06, currently the Chiefs DC.

Brad Childress (ex-Vikings), 39-35 overall record

 

Overall, those who were in coordinator roles seem to have fared fairly well :dunno:

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3 minutes ago, cmh6476 said:

I searched Andy's coaching tree and found this:

Sean McDermott (Bills), under Andy in various roles from 2001 - 2010.  Only finished under .500 once with the Bills and three consecutive AFC East titles.

John Harbaugh (Ravens), Special TeamsCoordinator for Eagles between '98 - '07, 52 games over .500 with the Ravens and won Super Bowl.

Matt Nagy (ex-Bears), went to playoffs in '18 and '20, back with the Chiefs now as an assistant and likely our next OC if Bienemy does leave.

Doug Pederson (Jaguars, ex-Eagles), former OC for Reid with the Chiefs, 51-45-1 as a HC and won Super Bowl.

Ron Rivera (Commanders, ex-Panthers), LB coach under Reid before becoming a DC elsewhere, 98-90-2 overall record.

Todd Bowles (Buccaneers, ex-Jet, ex-Dolphins), 34-50 overall record.

Pat Shurmur (ex-Giants, Eagles and Browns), was QB coach under Reid, 19-46 record.

Leslie Frazier (ex-Vikings), assistant under Reid from '92-'02, 21-32-1 overall record

Steve Spagnuolo (ex-Giants, Rams), 11-41 overall record, was assistant with Eagles from '99 - '06, currently the Chiefs DC.

Brad Childress (ex-Vikings), 39-35 overall record

 

Overall, those who were in coordinator roles seem to have fared fairly well :dunno:

Not really. Most of them weren’t OC’s. 

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17 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Not really. Most of them weren’t OC’s. 

There aren't a ton to choose from:

Rod Dowhower (1999 - 2001)

Marty Mornhinweg (2004, 2006 - 2012)

Brad Childress (2005)

Doug Pederson (2013 - 2015)

Brad Childress/ Matt Nagy (co-coordinators, 2016)

Matt Nagy (2017)

Eric Bienemy (2018 - present)

So basically all of them have gotten their shot except Bienemy.  I'm not sure who that first guy is way back in the day with the Eagles.  But six guys total out of 24 years basically.

 

:dunno:

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2 hours ago, craftsman said:

I just meant, why should such an unlikeable person get a job?

 

1 hour ago, Alias Detective said:

Why is he unlikable?

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28 minutes ago, cmh6476 said:

I searched Andy's coaching tree and found this:

Sean McDermott (Bills), under Andy in various roles from 2001 - 2010.  Only finished under .500 once with the Bills and three consecutive AFC East titles.

John Harbaugh (Ravens), Special TeamsCoordinator for Eagles between '98 - '07, 52 games over .500 with the Ravens and won Super Bowl.

Matt Nagy (ex-Bears), went to playoffs in '18 and '20, back with the Chiefs now as an assistant and likely our next OC if Bienemy does leave.

Doug Pederson (Jaguars, ex-Eagles), former OC for Reid with the Chiefs, 51-45-1 as a HC and won Super Bowl.

Ron Rivera (Commanders, ex-Panthers), LB coach under Reid before becoming a DC elsewhere, 98-90-2 overall record.

Todd Bowles (Buccaneers, ex-Jet, ex-Dolphins), 34-50 overall record.

Pat Shurmur (ex-Giants, Eagles and Browns), was QB coach under Reid, 19-46 record.

Leslie Frazier (ex-Vikings), assistant under Reid from '92-'02, 21-32-1 overall record

Steve Spagnuolo (ex-Giants, Rams), 11-41 overall record, was assistant with Eagles from '99 - '06, currently the Chiefs DC.

Brad Childress (ex-Vikings), 39-35 overall record

 

Overall, those who were in coordinator roles seem to have fared fairly well :dunno:

So Frazier and Bowles 0-2 on being successful black coaches from the Reid tree?

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4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Not really. Most of them weren’t OC’s. 

Was just about to say this.

To note, Rivera is overrated.  He's coached 12 seasons and has a winning record in 3 of them.  He's not a "bad" coach, but he's only "ok".  Many make him out to be something way better than "ok".

Also, the only one on that list that has a sustained success is Harbaugh.  Yeah, McDermott is doing well, but he hasn't really won anything other than a division that has been weal historically.  Let's see how he makes out.

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29 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

So Frazier and Bowles 0-2 on being successful black coaches from the Reid tree?

I don't even think you can count Bowles.  Bowles had positions with the Jets, Cowboys, Dolphins, and Browns before he was hired by Andy Reid... and that was for only 1 year, where he left to go to Arizona with Arians.  Technically, he's more of an "Arians tree" guy since it was with him that he got his first coordinator job.

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42 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Was just about to say this.

To note, Rivera is overrated.  He's coached 12 seasons and has a winning record in 3 of them.  He's not a "bad" coach, but he's only "ok".  Many make him out to be something way better than "ok".

Also, the only one on that list that has a sustained success is Harbaugh.  Yeah, McDermott is doing well, but he hasn't really won anything other than a division that has been weal historically.  Let's see how he makes out.

Well if this is the bar, I think we'd have to include Pederson as having "sustained success."  He's coached 6 seasons, and had a winning record (and made the playoffs) in 4 of them, with a SB title.   And having played under Reid as well, you can't get much more Reid tree than him.

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27 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Well if this is the bar, I think we'd have to include Pederson as having "sustained success."  He's coached 6 seasons, and had a winning record (and made the playoffs) in 4 of them, with a SB title.   And having played under Reid as well, you can't get much more Reid tree than him.

How does Pederson compare to Harbaugh?

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32 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Well if this is the bar, I think we'd have to include Pederson as having "sustained success."  He's coached 6 seasons, and had a winning record (and made the playoffs) in 4 of them, with a SB title.   And having played under Reid as well, you can't get much more Reid tree than him.

Just an add here: Not only did Dougie P win a SB, he modified his entire offense on the fly to accommodate Foles when Wentz went down, then coached one of the most aggressive SB games I’ve ever seen, including going for it on a 4th and goal to end the first half / not settling for a FG even while holding a lead, and a 4th and 5 in Eagles territory in the 4th quarter while behind, rather than punting the ball back to Brady. 

Doug’s coaching directly contributed to that win. 

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2 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

How does Pederson compare to Harbaugh?

Not as good and hasn't done it for as long, but same number of SB's.  I still think Pederson qualifies as "sustained success" though.  Although I'd think McDermott does too, as he has a higher winning % than Harbaugh.  The only knock on him is no SB.

I was more referring to your comments about Rivera and McDermott.  For the most part I agree with you about Rivera, although he didn't have much to work with for most of his tenure and when he did--Cam in his prime--he got to a SB.   Considering Pederson has had more winning seasons (and a SB title) in half as many years, that seems like a pretty drastic difference compared to Rivera who you seemed to imply other people think should qualify as "sustained success."   And your main knock against McDermott is that he "hasn't won anything," which Pederson did.

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7 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Not as good and hasn't done it for as long, but same about of SB's.  I still think Pederson qualifies as "sustained success" though.  Although I'd think McDermott does too, as he has a higher winning % than Harbaugh.  The only knock on him is no SB.

I was more referring to your comments about Rivera and McDermott.  For the most part I agree with you about Rivera, although he didn't have much to work with for most of his tenure and when he did--Cam in his prime--he got to a SB).   Considering Pederson has had more winning seasons (and a SB title) in half as many years, that seems like a pretty drastic difference compared to Rivera who you seemed to imply other people think should qualify as "sustained success."   And your main knock against McDermott is that he "hasn't won anything," which Pederson did.

I have McDermott in the "wait and see" category.  I'm ok with putting Pederson in that category as well.  Harbaugh has never been fired and has only 2 losing seasons in 15 years as a HC.  Along with 10 playoff seasons and a .600 career winning percentage.  Nothing about Pederson or McDermott come close to that... even combined.

If you think the only thing going for Rivera was that 1 season, the same could be said for Pederson.  Outside of that 1 season, in the other 5, he has a career losing record.  In 3 of his other 5 seasons, he only had 9 wins.  He's a lot closer to Rivera than Harbaugh.  The reason I put him in with McDermott and not Rivera is because Pederson won the Super Bowl.  If he loses that, he's in with Rivera.

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9 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I have McDermott in the "wait and see" category.  I'm ok with putting Pederson in that category as well.  Harbaugh has never been fired and has only 2 losing seasons in 15 years as a HC.  Along with 10 playoff seasons and a .600 career winning percentage.  Nothing about Pederson or McDermott come close to that... even combined.

If you think the only thing going for Rivera was that 1 season, the same could be said for Pederson.  Outside of that 1 season, in the other 5, he has a career losing record.  In 3 of his other 5 seasons, he only had 9 wins.  He's a lot closer to Rivera than Harbaugh.  The reason I put him in with McDermott and not Rivera is because Pederson won the Super Bowl.  If he loses that, he's in with Rivera.

So you have to be as good as Harbaugh to be considered to have had "sustained success"?  Harbaugh has the 4th most wins of any coach since he became HC of the Ravens.

Again, McDermott has a higher winning percentage than Harbaugh.  Not saying he's better, but that certainly "comes close."

Pederson still made the playoffs during 3 of those 9-win seasons, including winning 2 playoff games.   What he did this year with the Jags was particularly impressive.

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8 hours ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

Love how the racial conspiracy loons pass right over all of this. And these aren’t all the mistakes of a young guy.  Plus we all know Andy Reid doesn’t really care who plays or works for him.  Character ain’t his thing.  

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5 hours ago, listen2me 23 said:

Well you can't really expose yourself if you are getting close to no good HC looks where he sits now.  What would he be protecting?

You can definitely expose yourself.

OC for the Chiefs is a super comfy gig. You're likely to have a top offense for the next decade. If you go to Washington or Houston and you start calling plays and fall flat on your face, not only are you never getting a HC job, but your status as an OC is now in jeopardy. 

... and if it's true that he "doesn't interview well", there's not even a guarantee that putting the play calling rumors to bed will result in any promotions. 

It would be a very big bet on himself

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27 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

So you have to be as good as Harbaugh to be considered to have had "sustained success"?  Harbaugh has the 4th most wins of any coach since he became HC of the Ravens.

Again, McDermott has a higher winning percentage than Harbaugh.  Not saying he's better, but that certainly "comes close."

Pederson still made the playoffs during 3 of those 9-win seasons, including winning 2 playoff games.   What he did this year with the Jags was particularly impressive.

I agree. Let's not forget Harbaugh took over a pretty solid team from Brian Billick that maintained Rex Ryan as DC for a season.  McDermott took over a worse team from Rex Ryan and had them in the playoffs BEFORE Josh Allen was drafted

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11 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

You can definitely expose yourself.

OC for the Chiefs is a super comfy gig. You're likely to have a top offense for the next decade. If you go to Washington or Houston and you start calling plays and fall flat on your face, not only are you never getting a HC job, but your status as an OC is now in jeopardy. 

... and if it's true that he "doesn't interview well", there's not even a guarantee that putting the play calling rumors to bed will result in any promotions. 

It would be a very big bet on himself

I just don't see it that way if he wants to be a HC.  Yes chiefs OC basically assistant, is a comfy job.   But if he is after more then you make a move.  If he goes to a crappy offense there are zero expectations.  I mean if he knows he isn't good enough then yea sit tight.  But if he believes he has what it takes, then of course you go take a different OC job to get out from under Reid Mahomes shadow that is holding him back. 

Nathaniel Hackett was the laughingstock of the league.  The Jets quickly scooped him up as OC.  OCs who do poor find their way back to OC jobs all the time.   

He has been the Chiefs OC since 2018.  Nothing has happened.   He should sit tight scared shltless? I mean yea if he doesn't think he is good enough.   But most these guys do think they are good enough and want an opportunity.   

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So sit in KC next year.  Great.  They are a top 3 offense again.  Then what?  Owners next year all of a sudden say "damn he did it again!".  Then HCing jobs open? The chiefs offense has no room for him to improve his resume unless Reid hands over playcalling.   

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10 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

I just don't see it that way if he wants to be a HC.  Yes chiefs OC basically assistant, is a comfy job.   But if he is after more then you make a move.  If he goes to a crappy offense there are zero expectations.  I mean if he knows he isn't good enough then yea sit tight.  But if he believes he has what it takes, then of course you go take a different OC job to get out from under Reid Mahomes shadow that is holding him back. 

Nathaniel Hackett was the laughingstock of the league.  The Jets quickly scooped him up as OC.  OCs who do poor find their way back to OC jobs all the time.   

He has been the Chiefs OC since 2018.  Nothing has happened.   He should sit tight scared shltless? I mean yea if he doesn't think he is good enough.   But most these guys do think they are good enough and want an opportunity.   

Hackett was a laughingstock as a HC, so had to go backwards to OC.  The argument here is if Bieniemy takes a different OC job and sucks, it might be tough to get another OC job, and maybe he'd have to go backwards to RB coach or whatever he was doing before he became OC in KC.

I don't think he'd take just any OC job where he could call plays though.  Maybe one with a team that plans to draft a first round QB or something?  Not sure if he'd do it but maybe Panthers? Tepper could probably offer him more money and would maybe make some fans think he's not a racist after hiring Reich over Wilks.

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2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Hackett was a laughingstock as a HC, so had to go backwards to OC.  The argument here is if Bieniemy takes a different OC job and sucks, it might be tough to get another OC job, and maybe he'd have to go backwards to RB coach or whatever he was doing before he became OC in KC.

I don't think he'd take just any OC job where he could call plays though.  Maybe one with a team that plans to draft a first round QB or something?  Not sure if he'd do it but maybe Panthers? Tepper could probably offer him more money and would maybe make some fans think he's not a racist after hiring Reich over Wilks.

I understand Hackett was HC.  But he went to Denver installed his offense and called plays.  And they were God awful.  The Jets ran out grabbed himto install that offense.  It is still similar.  

I mean yeah if you think grown men with a pair of balls don't want to go out and seek out opportunity, sit tight.  Get paid average OC salary and continue to be the little assistant to Reid.  

So he thinks well if I fail and is scared to move?  If he goes to a mediocre to bad offense and improves it a bit, it does more for future jobs than sitting in KC.  That much is obvious by now.  It isn't like KC has him as the highest paod OC or something.   He sits there they go top 3 offense, Reid continues to call plays, and it does nothing for him. 

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Just now, listen2me 23 said:

I understand Hackett was HC.  But he went to Denver installed his offense and called plays.  And they were God awful.  The Jets ran out grabbed himto install that offense.  It is still similar.  

I mean yeah if you think grown men with a pair of balls don't want to go out and seek out opportunity, sit tight.  Get paid average OC salary and continue to be the little assistant to Reid.  

So hes thinks well if I fail and is scared to move?  If he goes to a mediocre to bad offense and improves it a bit, it does more for future jobs than sitting in KC.  That much is obvious by now.  It isn't like KC has him as the highest paod OC or something.   He sits there they go top 3 offense, Reid continues to call plays, and it does nothing for him. 

It's like any job really.

If he wants to take a step up and be a HC now, I bet he'd probably take any one that gets offered (but I assume that hasn't happened yet).

If he takes another OC job, it's a lateral move, so he'd most likely take into consideration the situation before accepting, to make sure it's a situation he's confident he can succeed in.  Even if he's the best OC of all-time, he can't do it alone.

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Just now, TimHauck said:

It's like any job really.

If he wants to take a step up and be a HC now, I bet he'd probably take any one that gets offered (but I assume that hasn't happened yet).

If he takes another OC job, it's a lateral move, so he'd most likely take into consideration the situation before accepting, to make sure it's a situation he's confident he can succeed in.  Even if he's the best OC of all-time, he can't do it alone.

It is NOT a lateral move if he can call plays.  Most these OCs want the opportunity to run their offense and call the plays.  

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6 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

It is NOT a lateral move if he can call plays.  Most these OCs want the opportunity to run their offense and call the plays.  

Potentially, but I think how good the team is would factor into whether it'd be considered lateral

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1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

So you have to be as good as Harbaugh to be considered to have had "sustained success"?  Harbaugh has the 4th most wins of any coach since he became HC of the Ravens.

Again, McDermott has a higher winning percentage than Harbaugh.  Not saying he's better, but that certainly "comes close."

Pederson still made the playoffs during 3 of those 9-win seasons, including winning 2 playoff games.   What he did this year with the Jags was particularly impressive.

Think what you want.  LOL

 

You're not worth the time.

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Just now, TimHauck said:

Potentially, but I think how good the team is would factor into whether it'd be considered lateral

Sure.   But whats his alternative?  Sit in KC 3 more years with a top offense under Reid and Mahomes and wait it out?  He has interviewed for like 15 HC jobs and hasnt got one.  You guys are making my head hurt.   

Yes I agree if the only couple OC jobs that come up stink maybe he waits another year.   But any real man who wants to adavance would think about that.  Taking command of a bad offense is a great opportunity.   He probably gets paid more and has more room to build a resume.  The alternative is sit with the chiefs who you cant improve and wait another year.  Like he has done for the past few.  

The Jags went from 1st pick to divisional round in a matter of a couple years.  

Do you guys realize yet he gets like no credit for the Chiefs offense?  Clinging to Mahomes has done nothing for him thus far.  

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39 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Nathaniel Hackett was the laughingstock of the league.  The Jets quickly scooped him up as OC.  OCs who do poor find their way back to OC jobs all the time.   

He has been the Chiefs OC since 2018.  Nothing has happened.   He should sit tight scared shltless? I mean yea if he doesn't think he is good enough.   But most these guys do think they are good enough and want an opportunity.   

OC's that elevate the HC and do a poor job find their way back to OC jobs... What I suggested was if Bieniemy did poorly in a new OC role.  theres a big difference there. 

He doesn't need to be scared shiitless. Some people like job security. Maybe you're right and he believes in himself enough to go to another team and fail. And you are probably right in regards to him thinking he is good enough. 

Again, I don't fault him for possibly taking a different OC job if he really thinks its the best way to step stone to HC. It just feels like a big gamble for a minimal reward in the sense that I have to believe there is more than the idea he wasn't calling plays thats been holding him back the past few offseasons. Especially given some of the other piss poor hires we have seen.

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Just now, WhiteWonder said:

OC's that elevate the HC and do a poor job find their way back to OC jobs... What I suggested was if Bieniemy did poorly in a new OC role.  theres a big difference there. 

He doesn't need to be scared shiitless. Some people like job security. Maybe you're right and he believes in himself enough to go to another team and fail. And you are probably right in regards to him thinking he is good enough. 

Again, I don't fault him for possibly taking a different OC job if he really thinks its the best way to step stone to HC. It just feels like a big gamble for a minimal reward in the sense that I have to believe there is more than the idea he wasn't calling plays thats been holding him back the past few offseasons. Especially given some of the other piss poor hires we have seen.

What is job security?  He will always have a job one way or another.  And we see crap OCs get 2nd 3rd and 4th chances all the time.  

I dont see the gamble you guys do when what he has done with his cushy setup has netted him nothing.   So many OCs may fail, fall back to a position coach then get another OC gig within a year or 2.  So many suck and just get an OC job again on a lesser franchise.  Owners wants experience.  And part of experience with OCs is being a playcaller.   

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You see a lot of top franchises have HCs who call plays.  That seems like the formula right now.  Many of these guys did call plays as OCs.  Owners are going to be leery  of an offensive guy who didn't call plays not only sliding into calling plays but being HC.   They want experience with at least one or another.   He has neither.   

I am not saying his baggage hasnt came into play.  If it has then it isn't going to change.  The only thing that changes that is moving and getting an opportunity and making owners look past that baggage.    He cannot do that as the OC assistant in KC.  

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5 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

What is job security?  He will always have a job one way or another.  And we see crap OCs get 2nd 3rd and 4th chances all the time.  

I dont see the gamble you guys do when what he has done with his cushy setup has netted him nothing.   So many OCs may fail, fall back to a position coach then get another OC gig within a year or 2.  So many suck and just get an OC job again on a lesser franchise.  Owners wants experience.  And part of experience with OCs is being a playcaller.   

it's just discussion. I take job security to mean he can comfortably make his $$ in the same position for a great offense for the next decade. Where as going to a "start up" to call plays, which he still needs to prove he can do apparently, could lead to the axe after even 1 bad year. Then he has to hope for another OC gig right away or take a downgrade.  

all those what ifs = less job security than his current situation. I don't think that's really debatable. 

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I wouldn't mind him being reid's successor and seeing how he fares.  Who has any idea how long that might be. 

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Just now, WhiteWonder said:

it's just discussion. I take job security to mean he can comfortably make his $$ in the same position for a great offense for the next decade. Where as going to a "start up" to call plays, which he still needs to prove he can do apparently, could lead to the axe after even 1 bad year. Then he has to hope for another OC gig right away or take a downgrade.  

all those what ifs = less job security than his current situation. I don't think that's really debatable. 

I just dont come from your line of thinking.  

If he is that worried about money then yea hold on don't move and be Reid's puppet.  But if he wants a chance then going to a bad offense is great opportunity.   Not everyone is scared to fail.  He is obviously after being a HC not being an OC who doesn't call plays and gets no credit.   

If he moved to a different OC job he would be paid more.  I know i know, BUT WHAT IF HE DOESN'T DO SO WELL?

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1 minute ago, listen2me 23 said:

I just dont come from your line of thinking.  

If he is that worried about money then yea hold on don't move and be Reid's puppet.  But if he wants a chance then going to a bad offense is great opportunity.   Not everyone is scared to fail.  He is obviously after being a HC not being an OC who doesn't call plays and gets no credit.   

If he moved to a different OC job he would be paid more.  I know i know, BUT WHAT IF HE DOESN'T DO SO WELL?

Yes, clearly we are not on the same line of thinking, like i said... it's just harmless discussion. You seem to be getting worked up about it for some reason.

We don't actually know if he would be paid more. KC can certainly make him an offer to stay in his position. 

I see going to a bad offense as a gamble. Again, I don't fault anyone for wanting to gamble on themselves. Players do it all the time with 1 year deals. If he goes to a bad offense and does not do well as the play caller and fails to elevate the offense at all, there will be 0 HC luster left on him. 

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5 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

I just dont come from your line of thinking.  

If he is that worried about money then yea hold on don't move and be Reid's puppet.  But if he wants a chance then going to a bad offense is great opportunity.   Not everyone is scared to fail.  He is obviously after being a HC not being an OC who doesn't call plays and gets no credit.   

If he moved to a different OC job he would be paid more.  I know i know, BUT WHAT IF HE DOESN'T DO SO WELL?

A lot of guys would want to try to prove they can do more, but not everyone.  He’s also lived in the same place for 10 years, not sure of his family situation, etc.  There are several factors at play here.

Of course one big factor could be if he knows Reid is going to retire in the next 3ish years and he’d be the likely heir.  That would certainly be more appealing than pretty much any OC job, where it’s probably going to be the same amount of time before he gets another shot at a HC job.  And it would possibly even be more appealing than some potential HC job options in the next 1-2 years.

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9 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

Yes, clearly we are not on the same line of thinking, like i said... it's just harmless discussion. You seem to be getting worked up about it for some reason.

We don't actually know if he would be paid more. KC can certainly make him an offer to stay in his position. 

I see going to a bad offense as a gamble. Again, I don't fault anyone for wanting to gamble on themselves. Players do it all the time with 1 year deals. If he goes to a bad offense and does not do well as the play caller and fails to elevate the offense at all, there will be 0 HC luster left on him. 

I am getting worked up.  But yeah I am just going back and forth.   Shoot me.  

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10 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

Yes, clearly we are not on the same line of thinking, like i said... it's just harmless discussion. You seem to be getting worked up about it for some reason.

We don't actually know if he would be paid more. KC can certainly make him an offer to stay in his position. 

I see going to a bad offense as a gamble. Again, I don't fault anyone for wanting to gamble on themselves. Players do it all the time with 1 year deals. If he goes to a bad offense and does not do well as the play caller and fails to elevate the offense at all, there will be 0 HC luster left on him. 

There isn't much HC luster now.  With like 5 great offensive seasons.   

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6 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

A lot of guys would want to try to prove they can do more, but not everyone.  He’s also lived in the same place for 10 years, not sure of his family situation, etc.  There are several factors at play here.

Of course one big factor could be if he knows Reid is going to retire in the next 3ish years and he’d be the likely heir.  That would certainly be more appealing than pretty much any OC job, where it’s probably going to be the same amount of time before he gets another shot at a HC job.  And it would possibly even be more appealing than some potential HC job options in the next 1-2 years.

I mean we can all debate his family life but have no idea.  These guys move all the time.  I understand if he cant land a HC gig he may just say well I know it here ill just stay.  

But if he wants to go to another OC gig I totally understand it and think it is the best move for him if he wants to build a resume.  With the Chiefs there is no room.  He is there in his little spot and gets none of the shine when things go well.  

If Hackett fails in NY, he will get jobs.  Hell Lafleur would bring him back under him if the situation in GB is right.  Why? Because he has experience as a playcaller and HC.  Because he went out and got jobs.  Bieniemy was a position coach for 4 years in KC.  He has been OC not calling plays for 5.  He is just sitting there.  He has no resume other than KC.  9 years of less than a real OC in KC.  

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What jobs are left? Colts?

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Just now, cmh6476 said:

What jobs are left? Colts?

Basically.   Off the heels of 5 great offenses.  

So what if he goes to Colts fails bad after 2 years canned.  He auto gets an OC job? Because he was HC? He was never a REAL OC.  I feel like people think its a given he would slide right back into a nice OC role if failing miserably as a HC who called plays.  I don't think that would be a given.    

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