Eric Bieniemy

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First off, he's Andy's clipboard holder just like any of his assistants. It's Andy's show.

According to reports from last year he interviews like the horses ass. 

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11 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Basically.   Off the heels of 5 great offenses.  

So what if he goes to Colts fails bad after 2 years canned.  He auto gets an OC job? Because he was HC? He was never a REAL OC.  I feel like people think its a given he would slide right back into a nice OC role if failing miserably as a HC who called plays.  I don't think that would be a given.    

Chiefs would welcome him back like they did Nagy.

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8 minutes ago, cmh6476 said:

Chiefs would welcome him back like they did Nagy.

Thats true

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8 minutes ago, cmh6476 said:

Chiefs would welcome him back like they did Nagy.

But like these guys are saying.  Its a chance!  What if Chiefs find some new young coach to guide the offense who Mahomes likes more?  Not guarenteed he would have a spot to come back to.  Any young coach may look good with Mahomes and be boys.  Josh Allen and Ken Dorsey for instance.  They would certainly welcome back Daboll and his success over the bad promotion that was Ken Dorsey.  But if Bieniemy fails and new OC is good.   No spot.  

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16 minutes ago, League Champion said:

First off, he's Andy's clipboard holder just like any of his assistants. It's Andy's show.

According to reports from last year he interviews like the horses ass. 

So basically taking a different OC job where he can call plays and sign a richer contract is his smartest option.   

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What if Mahomes slips just a bit and they go 11-6? For no real reason other than probability and parity.   Then what? Cushy job I guess.  No prospects of advancing.    Maybe they get rid of you because they realize mahomes doesn't care for you and some guy can do that job?

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Anyone going to be clamoring for Spagnulo to get another HC job? This would be his third time being the DC for a team that won it all. I doubt it. And he is the coordinator, he runs the whole show on D. 

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9 hours ago, listen2me 23 said:

So basically taking a different OC job where he can call plays and sign a richer contract is his smartest option.   

Absolutely 

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Anyone remember Byron Leftwich? The guy who everyone said deserved to be a head coach because he's black?

Well he got fired, because he sucks not because of his skin color. 

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18 hours ago, listen2me 23 said:

But if he wants to go to another OC gig I totally understand it and think it is the best move for him if he wants to build a resume.  With the Chiefs there is no room.  He is there in his little spot and gets none of the shine when things go well.  

If Hackett fails in NY, he will get jobs.  Hell Lafleur would bring him back under him if the situation in GB is right.  Why? Because he has experience as a playcaller and HC.  Because he went out and got jobs.  Bieniemy was a position coach for 4 years in KC.  He has been OC not calling plays for 5.  He is just sitting there.  He has no resume other than KC.  9 years of less than a real OC in KC.  

A couple points on this.

I don't completely disagree that going to another team as OC would help build his resume. It obviously would, if he succeeds and if the perceived lack of play calling is the only true thing holding him back in the HC process.... but as i've mentioned before, based on many of the HC hires we have seen in recent years, I find it hard to believe that is the only issue or even the main issue. Teams have hired guys simply because they "worked with this or that QB."

As for getting none of the shine, 2? years ago he seemed to have a ton of shine and more people seemed genuinely shocked when he did not land a HC job. 

Hackett could fail in NY and possibly land another OC job. Like you said, someone such as Lafleur would bring him back.... but this is nothing more than the coaching buddy system. It would be no different than Bieniemy going to Washington, failing, and having Andy Reid bring him back in some capacity. 

But I do agree, someone like Hackett has shown more in the ability to land different jobs on his own and take on more.... regardless of his success at it. 

 

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15 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Anyone going to be clamoring for Spagnulo to get another HC job? This would be his third time being the DC for a team that won it all. I doubt it. And he is the coordinator, he runs the whole show on D. 

Difference with Spags is he had his shot. He falls in the category of guys like Dan Quinn, Todd Bowles, Josh McDaniels etc who are proven coordinators, not head coaches. Sometimes these guys get a second chance but very rarely is there a lot of fan discussion about them getting another shot. 

Also, the NFL is in a spot right now where OCs are far more coveted than DCs

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17 hours ago, listen2me 23 said:

So basically taking a different OC job where he can call plays and sign a richer contract is his smartest option.   

the contract part is another aspect I alluded to earlier. His contract is up with KC... we don't know what, if anything, they will offer him. If they win the title and the Chiefs want to keep things status quo, they should probably offer him something nice to entice him to stay. 

But lets say they don't match or exceed an offer from the Texans for example. How much more is one team going to offer an offensive coordinator? If lack of play calling is holding him back from landing a HC job, why is another team going to offer him much more money to be their OC if he has no play calling experience? 

So he makes a little bit more to go to a shakier situation and risks looking bad and being out on his ass after 2 seasons versus staying with the Chiefs.

 

again.... i'm just speculating. 

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39 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

the contract part is another aspect I alluded to earlier. His contract is up with KC... we don't know what, if anything, they will offer him. If they win the title and the Chiefs want to keep things status quo, they should probably offer him something nice to entice him to stay. 

But lets say they don't match or exceed an offer from the Texans for example. How much more is one team going to offer an offensive coordinator? If lack of play calling is holding him back from landing a HC job, why is another team going to offer him much more money to be their OC if he has no play calling experience? 

So he makes a little bit more to go to a shakier situation and risks looking bad and being out on his ass after 2 seasons versus staying with the Chiefs.

 

again.... i'm just speculating. 

They would offer him more because they are desperate.  If he goes somewhere else as OC I almost guarentee they would pay him more.  

Im not going over this again today.  We just don't agree here.  If people were all this scared to look bad then no one would try to advance.  

We shall see what he ends up wanting to do.  

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The Washington Commanders are among several teams waiting to talk to Kansas City Chiefs offensive coordinator Eric Bieniemy after Super Bowl LVII. Washington has requested to interview Bieniemy for its offensive coordinator vacancy.

The Commanders may face competition and a heavy price if they want his services.

According to NBC Sports Washington’s JP Finlay, Bieniemy will have multiple opportunities and could land a salary “north of $2.5 million.”

 

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20 hours ago, cmh6476 said:

I wouldn't mind him being reid's successor and seeing how he fares.  Who has any idea how long that might be. 

Yeah, that could be an extremely long time.

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19 hours ago, cmh6476 said:

What jobs are left? Colts?

 

19 hours ago, listen2me 23 said:

Basically.   Off the heels of 5 great offenses.  

So what if he goes to Colts fails bad after 2 years canned.  He auto gets an OC job? Because he was HC? He was never a REAL OC.  I feel like people think its a given he would slide right back into a nice OC role if failing miserably as a HC who called plays.  I don't think that would be a given.    

Arizona too right?  Or did they hire someone?  I may have missed it.

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8 hours ago, League Champion said:

Anyone remember Byron Leftwich? The guy who everyone said deserved to be a head coach because he's black?

Well he got fired, because he sucks not because of his skin color. 

I said this 3 years ago.  It was obvious to everyone who ignored the pandering.

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1 hour ago, WhiteWonder said:

Difference with Spags is he had his shot. He falls in the category of guys like Dan Quinn, Todd Bowles, Josh McDaniels etc who are proven coordinators, not head coaches. Sometimes these guys get a second chance but very rarely is there a lot of fan discussion about them getting another shot. 

Also, the NFL is in a spot right now where OCs are far more coveted than DCs

Agreed... too bad the Bucs think differently. 

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32 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

They would offer him more because they are desperate.  If he goes somewhere else as OC I almost guarentee they would pay him more.  

Im not going over this again today.  We just don't agree here.  If people were all this scared to look bad then no one would try to advance.  

We shall see what he ends up wanting to do.  

 

, I've only been tossing out hypotheticals this entire time. Im not against you at all, relax. You're confusing my disagreement with my simple speculation. 

Of course we shall see.... but its a message board for discussion so

 

26 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

The Washington Commanders are among several teams waiting to talk to Kansas City Chiefs offensive coordinator Eric Bieniemy after Super Bowl LVII. Washington has requested to interview Bieniemy for its offensive coordinator vacancy.

The Commanders may face competition and a heavy price if they want his services.

According to NBC Sports Washington’s JP Finlay, Bieniemy will have multiple opportunities and could land a salary “north of $2.5 million.”

 

 

Washington was a team I mentioned earlier. I am sure he will be paid nicely no matter where he ends up. I wasn't questioning how much he would make I was wondering how much MORE an offer from a new team would be compared to an offer from KC. 

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Working with Bienimy

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7 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

 

, I've only been tossing out hypotheticals this entire time. Im not against you at all, relax. You're confusing my disagreement with my simple speculation. 

Of course we shall see.... but its a message board for discussion so

 

 

Washington was a team I mentioned earlier. I am sure he will be paid nicely no matter where he ends up. I wasn't questioning how much he would make I was wondering how much MORE and offer from a new team would be compared to an offer from KC. 

Plus COL in Washington is probably about double what it is in KC...

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20 hours ago, listen2me 23 said:

What is job security?  He will always have a job one way or another.  And we see crap OCs get 2nd 3rd and 4th chances all the time.  

 

19 hours ago, listen2me 23 said:

If Hackett fails in NY, he will get jobs.  Hell Lafleur would bring him back under him if the situation in GB is right.  Why? Because he has experience as a playcaller and HC.  Because he went out and got jobs.  Bieniemy was a position coach for 4 years in KC.  He has been OC not calling plays for 5.  He is just sitting there.  He has no resume other than KC.  9 years of less than a real OC in KC.  

 

19 hours ago, listen2me 23 said:

So what if he goes to Colts fails bad after 2 years canned.  He auto gets an OC job? Because he was HC? He was never a REAL OC.  I feel like people think its a given he would slide right back into a nice OC role if failing miserably as a HC who called plays.  I don't think that would be a given.    

 

Some of this is pretty contradictory though. First you say he (Bieniemy) will always have a job one way or another because we see bad OC's get multiple chances all the time. Then you make it sound like only guys similar to Hackett, who failed as HCs would get more chances because they called plays and landed a HC job despite failing at it. Then you question his (Bieniemy's) job prospects if he landed a HC job and failed at it

So yeah I do disagree with all of this....  other points you have made are good ones, aside from the consistent harping on what a "real man" would do. I'm sure there are plenty of real men in the NFL currently functioning as position coaches and coordinators who don't even want to take that final step because of the added scrutiny that comes with it. When you reach OC/DC status in the NFL, that's a pretty high status in the coaching world. By all means, aim higher, but I don't think a decision to keep a cushy million dollar job near the top of your profession makes you any less of a man  

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16 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

 

 

 

Some of this is pretty contradictory though. First you say he (Bieniemy) will always have a job one way or another because we see bad OC's get multiple chances all the time. Then you make it sound like only guys similar to Hackett, who failed as HCs would get more chances because they called plays and landed a HC job despite failing at it. Then you question his (Bieniemy's) job prospects if he landed a HC job and failed at it

So yeah I do disagree with all of this....  other points you have made are good ones, aside from the consistent harping on what a "real man" would do. I'm sure there are plenty of real men in the NFL currently functioning as position coaches and coordinators who don't even want to take that final step because of the added scrutiny that comes with it. When you reach OC/DC status in the NFL, that's a pretty high status in the coaching world. By all means, aim higher, but I don't think a decision to keep a cushy million dollar job near the top of your profession makes you any less of a man  

Relax, we will see what he does.  If he wants a HC coaching job I think he should move on since being the OC of the best offense in football over the last 5 years didn't net him anything.   There is literally only one way to go with the chiefs at this point.  Backwards.  Their offense can't do anymore.  

People with balls aren't scared to fail.  I stand by that.   He takes skins to a wildcard spot after 2 years via his offense and he is a hero.  With the chiefs he is an afterthought and gets none of the credit.  (Probably rightfully so)  If he goes to the Skins and they have no QB and are just middling he isnt going to get dinged for it as much as you guys think.  Less of a ding against him then being a non playcaller with all thr offensive talent.  

If it is a total lateral move like Tim said....then there is no way he will take an OC job with a lesser setup.  Right?

I did sort of talk myself in circles.   My point was if he takes an OC job and calls plays this next year that is the experience and resume filler owners like for future considerations.  So it is a good avenue not only to get out from under Reid and Mahomes, but to gain experience as a playcaller.   The HC post was talking about how you guys think if he is a HC and fails he auto slides into a OC role.  But if hes an OC eho calls plays for a middling franchise and fails he has no chance to get an OC gig.   I don't think that is the case in a vacuum.   

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On 2/3/2023 at 2:31 PM, listen2me 23 said:

Relax, we will see what he does.  If he wants a HC coaching job I think he should move on since being the OC of the best offense in football over the last 5 years didn't net him anything.   There is literally only one way to go with the chiefs at this point.  Backwards.  Their offense can't do anymore.  

People with balls aren't scared to fail.  I stand by that.   He takes skins to a wildcard spot after 2 years via his offense and he is a hero.  With the chiefs he is an afterthought and gets none of the credit.  (Probably rightfully so)  If he goes to the Skins and they have no QB and are just middling he isnt going to get dinged for it as much as you guys think.  Less of a ding against him then being a non playcaller with all thr offensive talent.  

If it is a total lateral move like Tim said....then there is no way he will take an OC job with a lesser setup.  Right?

I did sort of talk myself in circles.   My point was if he takes an OC job and calls plays this next year that is the experience and resume filler owners like for future considerations.  So it is a good avenue not only to get out from under Reid and Mahomes, but to gain experience as a playcaller.   The HC post was talking about how you guys think if he is a HC and fails he auto slides into a OC role.  But if hes an OC eho calls plays for a middling franchise and fails he has no chance to get an OC gig.   I don't think that is the case in a vacuum.   

Possibly, and that’s precisely the reason why he shouldn’t take just any OC job where he can call plays.  He would likely want one with a team that has a decent setup for success

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3 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Possibly, and that’s precisely the reason why he shouldn’t take just any OC job where he can call plays.  He would likely want one with a team that has a decent setup for success

He could go to some middling offense and just not crap his pants and people would think he did a decent job.   Tons of factors.  An injury.  A terrible pick at QB with a guy that just isn't good.   

Im sure and I don't necessarily think he would take any OC job.  But a team like the Ravens are asking.  They are perennially stable with a strong HC and good GM.  Why the hell wouldn't he?

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4 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

He could go to some middling offense and just not crap his pants and people would think he did a decent job.   Tons of factors.  An injury.  A terrible pick at QB with a guy that just isn't good.   

Im sure and I don't necessarily think he would take any OC job.  But a team like the Ravens are asking.  They are perennially stable with a strong HC and good GM.  Why the hell wouldn't he?

I could see him going to the Ravens as long as Jackson stays

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Looks like he is going to make that lateral move to a questionable offense in DC.

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2 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Looks like he is going to make that lateral move to a questionable offense in DC.

I think this will be good for him to really show what he can do.  His production as an OC is outstanding, but some can get hung up on his skill vs the amount of weapons and having a top 2-3 QB in the league.  DC should be a great spot to shine if it was his schemes.  

 It has been said that he doesn't interview well either and I think those are the reason he hasn't found the HC spot yet.  

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Just now, Ultra Max Power said:

I think this will be good for him to really show what he can do.  His production as an OC is outstanding, but some can get hung up on his skill vs the amount of weapons and having a top 2-3 QB in the league.  DC should be a great spot to shine if it was his schemes.  

 It has been said that he doesn't interview well either and I think those are the reason he hasn't found the HC spot yet.  

I agree.  Other reason being is Reid runs the show.  He gets the credit for offensive success.  

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1 minute ago, listen2me 23 said:

I agree.  Other reason being is Reid runs the show.  He gets the credit for offensive success.  

Reid should get the credit. That offense is all him.

Put Bienemy on the Bears last year and see how he does not being carried by the coach and players.

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21 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Looks like he is going to make that lateral move to a questionable offense in DC.

 

At this stage he has to.   When people think and talk about the chiefs offense nobody mentions Bienemy. When players like Kelce and Mahomes talk about great plays they always credit Reid.  Reid is going to die on the job, I doubt he will ever retire. 

Bienemy has to go somewhere where he can show that he can do the same. 

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2 hours ago, listen2me 23 said:

Looks like he is going to make that lateral move to a questionable offense in DC.

Interesting.  He must have a plan at QB.

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I apologize for starting a similar thread:  I'll delete mine

BUT, I'll add here that he will be hired today by the Redskins as their OC .. and smoothly transition to Head Coack the following year.

Again, my apologies.

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On 2/2/2023 at 5:29 PM, TimHauck said:

Potentially, but I think how good the team is would factor into whether it'd be considered lateral

Not a lateral move.  He doesnt even think so apparently.   Opportunity to build his resume that he couldnt do in KC.  Plus more money.  I said this the whole time.  

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The Redskins will still suck...

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5 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Not a lateral move.  He doesnt even think so apparently.   Opportunity to build his resume that he couldnt do in KC.  Plus more money.  I said this the whole time.  

Yeah and I said the situation and how good the team is would factor in which I'm sure it did.  Washington was 8-8-1 with a combination of Heineke, Wentz and Sam Howell at QB.  If they can figure out QB they can be good.

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23 minutes ago, posty said:

The Redskins will still suck...

With Snyder AND Scott Turner gone, we'll prolly suck a lot less.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,459]

Washington has talent at the skill positions.  Need a QB. We’ll see if the kid is really the direction they go. I would give EB some time here. 

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Lost in all of his success with the Kansas City Chiefs is that Eric Bieniemy generated quite a rap sheet for bad decisions.

According to the South Florida Sun-Sentinel, Colorado police arrested Bieniemy and teammate Kanvavis McGhee following a February 1998 bar fight. Bieniemy was charged with disorderly conduct and fighting in public, but he pleaded no contest. He and McGhee each received deferred sentences and performed court-mandated community service.

According to the Orlando Sentinel, Bienemy pleaded no contest after allegedly shoving a firefighter on July 4, 1990. Colorado suspended Bieniemy for one game in the upcoming season.

Colorado police once again arrested Bieniemy, then in the NFL, in September 1993. The Orlando Sentinel reported that Bieniemy allegedly grabbed a female parking attendant by the neck and threatened her.

The University of Colorado Boulder banned Bieniemy from its campus for one year as a result.

“She stated that the male who grabbed her said something about ‘a bunch of Black males all at once being her worst nightmare,” the attendant told police, according to the arrest report.

According to the Daily Bruin, Colorado police arrested Bieniemy on a DUI charge in April 2001, three months after he joined the football staff as a running backs coach. He previously had his driver’s license suspended after numerous violations.

Bieniemy was also linked to allegations that Colorado’s football program “used alcohol and sex to lure recruits.” ESPN reported in 2004 that the university discovered there was evidence of drugs and alcohol being used to “entice recruits,” but no university officials were guilty of misconduct.

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12 minutes ago, League Champion said:

Lost in all of his success with the Kansas City Chiefs is that Eric Bieniemy generated quite a rap sheet for bad decisions.

According to the South Florida Sun-Sentinel, Colorado police arrested Bieniemy and teammate Kanvavis McGhee following a February 1998 bar fight. Bieniemy was charged with disorderly conduct and fighting in public, but he pleaded no contest. He and McGhee each received deferred sentences and performed court-mandated community service.

According to the Orlando Sentinel, Bienemy pleaded no contest after allegedly shoving a firefighter on July 4, 1990. Colorado suspended Bieniemy for one game in the upcoming season.

Colorado police once again arrested Bieniemy, then in the NFL, in September 1993. The Orlando Sentinel reported that Bieniemy allegedly grabbed a female parking attendant by the neck and threatened her.

The University of Colorado Boulder banned Bieniemy from its campus for one year as a result.

“She stated that the male who grabbed her said something about ‘a bunch of Black males all at once being her worst nightmare,” the attendant told police, according to the arrest report.

According to the Daily Bruin, Colorado police arrested Bieniemy on a DUI charge in April 2001, three months after he joined the football staff as a running backs coach. He previously had his driver’s license suspended after numerous violations.

Bieniemy was also linked to allegations that Colorado’s football program “used alcohol and sex to lure recruits.” ESPN reported in 2004 that the university discovered there was evidence of drugs and alcohol being used to “entice recruits,” but no university officials were guilty of misconduct.

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