Eric Bieniemy

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8 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

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You forgot to login as "Sissy Lib Boy". 

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On 2/2/2023 at 5:29 PM, TimHauck said:

Potentially, but I think how good the team is would factor into whether it'd be considered lateral

So Hou with the 2nd pick for a QB is a terrible situation.   Ryans as HC.  No expectations.  Money.  A top pick.  But a dysfunctional skins organization.  With no QB.  And not a top pick is good enough to not call it a lateral move.   Ok.  I guess I can't debate this since your bases are covered.  What other teams would have been considered "a lateral move" besides your take on Houston?  So when you said taking another OC job is just a lateral move you only meant if it was with the Texans?

Point is he had to leave KC since being apart of great offenses there netted him nothing.  I knew it. He knew it.  Reid knew it.  It is common sense at this point.  Plus he made more money.  No brainer wasn't rocket science.   

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10 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

So Hou with the 2nd pick for a QB is a terrible situation.   Ryans as HC.  No expectations.  Money.  A top pick.  But a dysfunctional skins organization.  With no QB.  And not a top pick is good enough to not call it a lateral move.   Ok.  I guess I can't debate this since your bases are covered.  What other teams would have been considered "a lateral move" besides your take on Houston?  So when you said taking another OC job is just a lateral move you only meant if it was with the Texans?

Point is he had to leave KC since being apart of great offenses there netted him nothing.  I knew it. He knew it.  Reid knew it.  It is common sense at this point.  Plus he made more money.  No brainer wasn't rocket science.   

I didn’t say anything about Houston did I?

I think this was my first opinion:

On 2/2/2023 at 5:10 PM, TimHauck said:

Hackett was a laughingstock as a HC, so had to go backwards to OC.  The argument here is if Bieniemy takes a different OC job and sucks, it might be tough to get another OC job, and maybe he'd have to go backwards to RB coach or whatever he was doing before he became OC in KC.

I don't think he'd take just any OC job where he could call plays though.  Maybe one with a team that plans to draft a first round QB or something?  Not sure if he'd do it but maybe Panthers? Tepper could probably offer him more money and would maybe make some fans think he's not a racist after hiring Reich over Wilks.

Houston probably fits that description.

I agree it’s smart of him to move on, I was simply saying he shouldn’t take just any OC job where he could call plays.  What other OC jobs were/are open?

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15 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

agree it’s smart of him to move on, I was simply saying he shouldn’t take just any OC job where he could call plays.  What other OC jobs were/are open?

But nobody wanted him, it's not like he had his choice of jobs. He never called plays, he's a horrible interview and has a disturbing past. 

Why does everyone feel like he deserves anything?? Because he's black? 

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7 minutes ago, League Champion said:

But nobody wanted him, it's not like he had his choice of jobs. He never called plays, he's a horrible interview and has a disturbing past. 

Why does everyone feel like he deserves anything?? Because he's black? 

Because he’s the OC of a team with 2 Super Bowl titles in the last 4 years.

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4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Because he’s the OC of a team with 2 Super Bowl titles in the last 4 years.

Except he's not the "coordinator". Everyone in the league knows that Andy holds the chart and calls every single play. He tells Bieniemy what to call in. That's no secret. 

So what makes Bieniemy qualified to be an OC, because he relays Andy's call to the QB? 

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25 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I didn’t say anything about Houston did I?

I think this was my first opinion:

Houston probably fits that description.

I agree it’s smart of him to move on, I was simply saying he shouldn’t take just any OC job where he could call plays.  What other OC jobs were/are open?

You tell me.  You said it was a lateral move.  Then tried to clarify that it would depend on situation.   You have said Skins are a good enough situation to not call it lateral.   My question is what teams and situations were you refering to that wouldnt be worth the move?

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11 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

You tell me.  You said it was a lateral move.  Then tried to clarify that it would depend on situation.   You have said Skins are a good enough situation to not call it lateral.   My question is what teams and situations were you refering to that wouldnt be worth the move?

I think we’re arguing semantics over the term “lateral.”

I’d probably argue ANY OC job, including Washington, is technically lateral.  But people make lateral moves all the time if they can get more responsibility or think there’s better future opportunities.

I don’t follow the NFL as much as I used to.  I guess you could argue there aren’t many teams that would be a “bad situation” for him, because most teams are either somewhat decent to start with or have a high draft choice.  Las Vegas and Indianapolis come to mind as a couple that are probably riskier than others

 

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5 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I think we’re arguing semantics over the term “lateral.”

I’d probably argue ANY OC job, including Washington, is technically lateral.  But people make lateral moves all the time if they can get more responsibility or think there’s better future opportunities.

I don’t follow the NFL as much as I used to.  I guess you could argue there aren’t many teams that would be a “bad situation” for him, because most teams are either somewhat decent to start with or have a high draft choice.  Las Vegas and Indianapolis come to mind as a couple that are probably riskier than others

 

Assistant Head Coach is a move up (although it's gotta piss off Jack Del Rio).

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20 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I think we’re arguing semantics over the term “lateral.”

I’d probably argue ANY OC job, including Washington, is technically lateral.  But people make lateral moves all the time if they can get more responsibility or think there’s better future opportunities.

I don’t follow the NFL as much as I used to.  I guess you could argue there aren’t many teams that would be a “bad situation” for him, because most teams are either somewhat decent to start with or have a high draft choice.  Las Vegas and Indianapolis come to mind as a couple that are probably riskier than others

 

McDaniels is running the offense in Vegas.  The colts hired phillys playcaller as HC. The colts were HC or bust for Bienemy.   

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It's a terrible deal. He goes from holding Reid's clipboard w/Mahomes to calling plays for a crap QB in a crap situation. Then to make things worse, he signs only a 2 year deal. It's a no win,  he'll be out of football in 2 years. 

Who's his agent, Lamar Jackson's Mom? 

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On 2/1/2023 at 8:10 PM, WhiteWonder said:

First of all, why isn’t he a head coach yet? And let’s not say racism

Racism

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42 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Racism

He's not a head coach because he doesn't deserve to be a head coach. 

If he interviewed well and had a resume as a play caller he would, but he doesn't. 

And his violent criminal past doesn't help. 

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3 minutes ago, League Champion said:

He's not a head coach because he doesn't deserve to be a head coach. 

If he interviewed well and had a resume as a play caller he would, but he doesn't. 

And his violent criminal past doesn't help. 

It’s racism. Even Skip Bayless is saying it out loud now.

 

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8 minutes ago, dogcows said:

It’s racism. Even Skip Bayless is saying it out loud now.

Ohh, why didn't you tell me that Skip Bayless said that? Well then it's true for sure. 

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2 hours ago, listen2me 23 said:

McDaniels is running the offense in Vegas.  The colts hired phillys playcaller as HC. The colts were HC or bust for Bienemy.   

Yes I was just speaking of teams in general without getting into whether or not the position was open

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1 hour ago, dogcows said:

It’s racism. Even Skip Bayless is saying it out loud now.

 

Racism tons of black coaches are hired every year 

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1 hour ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Racism tons of black coaches are hired every year 

If 13% of the populstion doesn't get 100% of the top jobs there is racism afoot.

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16 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

If 13% of the populstion doesn't get 100% of the top jobs there is racism afoot.

13%?  That's men AND women.  Black men are only 6% of that number.  So 6% want 100% of the jobs or its RACIST!!!

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8 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

13%?  That's men AND women.  Black men are only 6% of that number.  So 6% want 100% of the jobs or its RACIST!!!

Yeah. Take out the fatherless kids and it's more like 4%. 

Focking pathetic.

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55 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

If 13% of the populstion doesn't get 100% of the top jobs there is racism afoot.

You should feel bad, quit your job and give it to a black man then. 

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4 hours ago, League Champion said:

You should feel bad, quit your job and give it to a black man then. 

He’d have to have a job to quit first. 

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2 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

He’d have to have a job to quit first. 

This is true 

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12 hours ago, WhiteWonder said:

He’d have to have a job to quit first. 

got me laughing.

thanx

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How come Dicck LeBeau had to wait so long to get his shot? 

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LeSean McCoy said Bienemy had nothing to do with the passing game, he didn’t even speak about it, it was all Reid. So he was a running backs coach with a title. Didn’t call the plays, didn’t have anything to do with the passing game and has baggage. Yeah, racism. Good thing the dumbest organization in the NFL hired him. 

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He will take over after Rivera is canned mid season. 

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5 hours ago, WhiteWonder said:

He will take over after Rivera is canned mid season. 

No chance, he's unqualified to be a head coach. That's why he's not one. 

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8 hours ago, League Champion said:

No chance, he's unqualified to be a head coach. That's why he's not one. 

Sorry it was sarcasm. Inept team all around would do something like that though 

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On 2/19/2023 at 10:04 AM, Hardcore troubadour said:

How come Dicck LeBeau had to wait so long to get his shot? 

 

He was good in Pittsburgh, but that is because most coaches are extremely successful in Pittsburgh. When he was with Cincinnati his defenses were bottom of the barrel. At the end of his career he had average defenses in Tennessee, however he was still let go.

He was no better or worse than the players he was coaching. Just a perfectly average defensive coordinator who lucked onto the steelers staff.

 

 

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I heard he’s a jive turkey.

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12 minutes ago, MDC said:

I heard he’s a jive turkey.

jive turkey (plural jive turkeys) (US, idiomatic, derogatory, dated slang) A fool, a chump, a target for jiving. quotations ▼ (US, idiomatic, dated slang) Someone who performs the jive dance, especially in an amusing or showy manner.

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45 minutes ago, MTSkiBum said:

 

He was good in Pittsburgh, but that is because most coaches are extremely successful in Pittsburgh. When he was with Cincinnati his defenses were bottom of the barrel. At the end of his career he had average defenses in Tennessee, however he was still let go.

He was no better or worse than the players he was coaching. Just a perfectly average defensive coordinator who lucked onto the steelers staff.

 

 

The staff? He was the staff. DC for a long time. 

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30 minutes ago, League Champion said:

jive turkey (plural jive turkeys) (US, idiomatic, derogatory, dated slang) A fool, a chump, a target for jiving. quotations ▼ (US, idiomatic, dated slang) Someone who performs the jive dance, especially in an amusing or showy manner.

You should bookmark my quote and pull it up in 2035 to prove I’m raciss!

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6 minutes ago, MDC said:

You should bookmark my quote and pull it up in 2035 to prove I’m raciss!

Jive Turkey is awesome. Remember Good Times? 

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40 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

The staff? He was the staff. DC for a long time. 

I meant GM and scouts.

 

It is easier to look like a genius DC if you have awesome defensive players year in and year out. His defense was bottom 5 on his short stint between his pittsburgh stints when he was in cinci.

I think Richard was solid, but overrated.

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1 hour ago, MTSkiBum said:

 

He was good in Pittsburgh, but that is because most coaches are extremely successful in Pittsburgh. When he was with Cincinnati his defenses were bottom of the barrel. At the end of his career he had average defenses in Tennessee, however he was still let go.

He was no better or worse than the players he was coaching. Just a perfectly average defensive coordinator who lucked onto the steelers staff.

 

 

this is pretty spot on

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24 minutes ago, MTSkiBum said:

I meant GM and scouts.

 

It is easier to look like a genius DC if you have awesome defensive players year in and year out. His defense was bottom 5 on his short stint between his pittsburgh stints when he was in cinci.

I think Richard was solid, but overrated.

Sort of like Bienemy with mahomes reek kelce and Reid calling the plays.  At least Lebeau ran his unit.  Bienemy hasn't.    Will be interesting to see what he brings to DC.  

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20 hours ago, listen2me 23 said:

Sort of like Bienemy with mahomes reek kelce and Reid calling the plays.  At least Lebeau ran his unit.  Bienemy hasn't.    Will be interesting to see what he brings to DC.  

I just listened to the initial Eric Bieniemy presser .. and I don't believe for one damn minute that he did not interview well.  Talk is talk and bullsh!t walks but he spoke very well and answered all the reporters questions extremely well.  Again, talk is talk but that's what interviews are.

As far as Shady McCoy - the dude was once great running and catching the ball BUT he was on the downside of his career and was being phased out .. and he didn't like it .. and he damn sure wasn't gonna blame Andy Reid.  

And lastly, Andy Reid himself indicated that Eric Bieniemy was a crucial part of game plans and ON THE FIELD PRACTICES meaning he put a foot in your azz if you didn't practice the right way.  Andy was good cop / Eric Bieniemy was bad cop.  And the Redskins' players better get ready for practices to be more than the party-time that they have been, recently.

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5 minutes ago, kozmiq said:

I just listened to the initial Eric Bieniemy presser .. and I don't believe for one damn minute that he did not interview well.  Talk is talk and bullsh!t walks but he spoke very well and answered all the reporters questions extremely well.  Again, talk is talk but that's what interviews are.

As far as Shady McCoy - the dude was once great running and catching the ball BUT he was on the downside of his career and was being phased out .. and he didn't like it .. and he damn sure wasn't gonna blame Andy Reid.  

And lastly, Andy Reid himself indicated that Eric Bieniemy was a crucial part of game plans and ON THE FIELD PRACTICES meaning he put a foot in your azz if you didn't practice the right way.  Andy was good cop / Eric Bieniemy was bad cop.  And the Redskins' players better get ready for practices to be more than the party-time that they have been, recently.

McCoy was there. You weren’t.