Jalen Hurts: 5 years, $255M

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6 minutes ago, League Champion said:

17 for 157 is 9+ yards a carry??? He obviously seen something. That's opportunistic. 

If he had 3.5 yards a carry I'd certainly agree. He's great at reading defenses and schemes. 

165/760 for 3.8per in 2022.

the 17/157 for 7.8per was one game against Green Bay.

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I think Hurts can pass some.  He has great weapons.  But he needs to use his feet to make it work.    He rolls and ankle and the opponent knows they can play him differently and it makes it much harder.  Hurts is a better passer than Lamar.  But to use Lamar as an example he sees so little passing coverage.  Many guys who run a ton can find games where they light it up passing because of the coverage they always see. Kiros to them thats what makes rhem challenging to defend.  But as soon as the half roll an ankle they become much more limited.   

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1 hour ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Duly noted.  What about the previous years running/passing stats?

Most young QB's do not start off that great, take Josh Allen for example. He was pretty average as a passer his first couple years in the league and supplemented the passing with his running ability. But the list of good QB's that do not put gaudy passing numbers early in their career includes Big Ben, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, etc.

Most good QB's tend to peak at around 30-32, and hurts still has 6 years left before then. He should continue to improve.

[MDC 7,194]

Howie Roseman  

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23 minutes ago, MDC said:

Howie Roseman  

 What are the cap hits in 2027 and 2028, i notice those are left off

 

 

That is fine, if they want to use the 4 year window now. However there will be pain down the road.

[GutterBoy 2,898]

Now do 27 and 28

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I don't know how they are structuring this contract, but are these signing bonus options basically an out clause for the team? So they are basically paying him like $30M total this year on a wait and see if he earns his next signing bonus for 2024? Etc...So then total team cost goes to like $55M in 2024, then $60M, then 2026 is like $80M (31.77 + 49.79)...?

Confusing...

 

Based on

@AdamSchefter

report on the cap hits my guess on Hurts contract would be minimum P5s in each of the next 4 seasons, a signing bonus of $23.294M, a 2024 option of $38.875M, a 2nd option in 2025 of $40.83M, and a 3rd option in 2026 of $49.785M.

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9 hours ago, lod001 said:

The best OL in the NFL will no longer be in Philly. They won't be able to afford that anymore and the real j. hurts will be exposed.

Balt observed what happens when the top of the line OL leaves. Your running QB gets hurt. Thus they are trying not to make the same mistake.

All of Jackson’s injuries occurred while he was in the pocket.

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It would be at least a million more if he was white. 

[League Champion 1,896]

5 hours ago, MLCKAA said:

All of Jackson’s injuries occurred while he was in the pocket

Because he's not a QB, he's a runner playing QB. He can't throw from the pocket, holds onto the ball too long because he can't process fast enough. He'll be injured his whole career. 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

2 hours ago, League Champion said:

Because he's not a QB, he's a runner playing QB. He can't throw from the pocket, holds onto the ball too long because he can't process fast enough. He'll be injured his whole career. 

Add football to the list of sh1t you don't know.

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5 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Add football to the list of sh1t you don't know.

Put your politics away little boy, we're talking football now. He threw for over 3,000 yards how many times?? 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/3916387/lamar-jackson

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27 minutes ago, League Champion said:

Put your politics away little boy, we're talking football now. He threw for over 3,000 yards how many times?? 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/3916387/lamar-jackson

He works in an offense that emphasizes the run, so no he's not going to put up yardage stats.  But anyone who has watched Lamar knows he doesn't have a problem with processing speed, and his next gen stats prove this as well.

He had the most tds in the pocket in 2019 (25)

Bill Belichick: Lamar Jackson 'Without a Doubt' Has Proven Himself as Pocket Passer

It's not politics bro, it's just you saying dumb sh1t.

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24 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

He works in an offense that emphasizes the run, so no he's not going to put up yardage stats.  But anyone who has watched Lamar knows he doesn't have a problem with processing speed, and his next gen stats prove this as well.

He had the most tds in the pocket in 2019 (25)

Bill Belichick: Lamar Jackson 'Without a Doubt' Has Proven Himself as Pocket Passer

It's not politics bro, it's just you saying dumb sh1t.

Why we got to go back to 2019? You mean team figured out how to play him quick? He should be maturing as a passer, instead his numbers all coming down since his 2nd year in league and 1st as starter.  

Best running QB plus elite pocket passer? Dare to say hes the best QB in the league? Who can stop that? Amazing they havent made it that far in the playoffs.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,084]

Anyone that watches the game and knows what’s going on can clearly see that Lamar can’t make the out throw consistently from the pocket, especially when it counts. 

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56 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Anyone that watches the game and knows what’s going on can clearly see that Lamar can’t make the out throw consistently from the pocket, especially when it counts. 

Lamar Jackson's early down PASSING outside the numbers last year:

#1 in YPA (9.2)

#1 in success rate (57%)

#1 in EPA/att (+0.33)

while averaging 9.4 air yards per attempt (5th highest)...

while being blitzed on 32% of attempts (5th highest)...

[GutterBoy 2,898]

His weakness is deep passing, he's bad at it, anyone who watches can clearly see this.  It's something his new OC should work on if he stays in Baltimore 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,084]

Like I said, anyone that watches knows Lamar struggles outside the numbers, especially when it counts and you have to make that throw. Things change when the defense knows you can’t run for the first. 

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Ill say it again.   No Lamar shouldn't stop the game and ask his opponent play 2 high.  But the coverages he sees makes it 10x easier for him to pass.    If Mahomes or Rodgers saw his coverages they would break records each year.  Kudos to him being a duel threat QB.  But defenses play him like a running QB.  The reads are simple.  Tons of room to throw.  He has arm talent.  But he isn't a good passer.  Will his 1st year starting the season as Baltimore's QB be his best statistical passing season?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,084]

That’s the thing about football. Defenses adjust.  Trying to apply a stat and thinking  the game is the same for all four quarters across 17 games doesn’t tell you everything. It’s called situational football. And Lamar comes up short when it’s tight and late. Everyone knows this. Sometimes you just have to watch. 

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33 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

That’s the thing about football. Defenses adjust.  Trying to apply a stat and thinking  the game is the same for all four quarters across 17 games doesn’t tell you everything. It’s called situational football. And Lamar comes up short when it’s tight and late. Everyone knows this. Sometimes you just have to watch. 

Agree.  Maybe it was the OC, or the inability of the Ravens to put some better assets around him.  But maybe he is what he is. An exciting and effective QB who wins tons of games, but cannot beat truly good teams in the playoffs

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Just now, RLLD said:

Agree.  Maybe it was the OC, or the inability of the Ravens to put some better assets around him.  But maybe he is what he is. An exciting and effective QB who wins tons of games, but cannot beat truly good teams in the playoffs

You have to use the sideline late in games, and you can’t run all that much. Defenses know this. You have to stop the clock.  They adjust, and he’s been shown to be ineffective in those situations.   

[GutterBoy 2,898]

It's shocking that the most racist posters are also the most vocal about how bad Lamar is throwing the ball, despite data that contradicts this.  Shocking I tell you.

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Just now, GutterBoy said:

It's shocking that the most racist posters are also the most vocal about how bad Lamar is throwing the ball, despite data that contradicts this.  Shocking I tell you.

I'm racist? Ok. You are no better than the people that call you a pedo.  Very similar.   You don't understand football.  You switched teams late in life.  Can't talk football with you.   Obsessed with racism.  

You know who is a good passer? Mahomes.  GASP.....pssst hes of color.  

What a POS you are.  

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Some guys who had a better completion % last season even tho many went against tougher  coverage for passing.

Geno, Pickett, Brissett, Tannehill, Goff, Stafford, Dan Jones, Jimmy G, Dalton, Murray, Purdy, Ryan.  

And that is guys who played a decent amount of games.  That isn't including the Riddars and Huntleys who played like 4 each.  

Elite.  Vs soft coverage.  That is a racist take because everyone loves them some racism claims.  

 

 

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10 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

I'm racist? Ok. You are no better than the people that call you a pedo.  Very similar.   You don't understand football.  You switched teams late in life.  Can't talk football with you.   Obsessed with racism.  

You know who is a good passer? Mahomes.  GASP.....pssst hes of color.  

What a POS you are.  

OK, so maybe you're not racist, maybe you just don't watch football, or you're not smart.  I'll let you choose.  Either way you're wrong, and fortunately we have data that proves you are wrong.

Based on data of how quarterbacks performed in pure passing situations in the regular season and playoffs from 2018-2021, Monson wrote: "Patrick Mahomes is some kind of alien, but amongst regular, human quarterbacks, Jackson ranks well. He stacks up very comparably with Aaron Rodgers, one of the best passers in the league. His playoff performance in obvious passing situations has been a little worse than his regular season, but even that has been clawed back after an inauspicious start."

Monson said there is a kernel of truth in saying that Jackson has struggled — specifically passing the football — when his team is trailing, but even that performance improves as the game gets into the final clutch minutes.

Since LJ became starter in W11 of 2018 there have been 25 QBs with at least 50 dropbacks in 4th quarter, 1-score, 2-min situations

Among the 25 QBs, LJ ranks
No. 2 in QBR (100)
No. 3 in Comp%
12 in yards per pass attempts
Second-most rush yards of ANY player in same situation

No. 2 in QBR (100)
Above Stafford (97), Wilson (89), Mahomes (88), Allen (78), Herbert (77), Carr (75), Murray (73), Rodgers (68), Brady (52)
No. 3 in Comp% (66)
Above Mahomes (61%), Stafford (57%), Murray (56%), Wilson (56%), Allen (55%), Herbert (55%), Brady (52%), Rodgers (49)

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You still don't seem to grasp that he sees soft passing coverages all season.  It inflates his numbers.  Hes going backwards with passing numbers from 2019 on.  

It is amazing.  The best running QB is also an elite passer.  Never (maybe rarely) gets ranked amongst the top 5 QBs.  I guess everyone is racist or doesn't know football.   His own team is playing hard ball.  BUt chEcK thE PfF artIClEs.  

You want stats? His passing stats are getting worse.   Most any QB they get better from your first real year of starting.  You want stats? He had a worse % than several mediocre to below average QBs last season, even tho he sees a ton of zero coverage compared to other QBs.  He should be entering his prime.  

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19 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

He can throw.  

Hurts isn’t black? 

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Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Hurts isn’t black? 

Gutter is just a typical punk these days throws out race card unwarrented to try and minimize any counter argument.   Oh well you must be racist.  So weak.  So pathetic.  We are in here trying to talk football and that loser want to bring race to the front.  

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Purdy was undefeated as a starter in his rookie season.  Led league in pass rating.  NEVERMIND HIS SITUATION AND THE DYNAMICS HE PLAYS UNDER.  Guys like gutter who know football say lOoK aT THe StatS mAn!  

Purdy is clearly a top 3 QB in the league.  That was his rookie season.  He will only get better.  Look out Mahomes.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,084]

2 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Gutter is just a typical punk these days throws out race card unwarrented to try and minimize any counter argument.   Oh well you must be racist.  So weak.  So pathetic.  We are in here trying to talk football and that loser want to bring race to the front.  

Exactly.  Some of us know what we are looking at.  Gutterboy has an agenda. Not many people refer to Lamar as clutch.  

[GutterBoy 2,898]

8 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Gutter is just a typical punk these days throws out race card unwarrented to try and minimize any counter argument.   Oh well you must be racist.  So weak.  So pathetic.  We are in here trying to talk football and that loser want to bring race to the front.  

I'm giving you stats that refute everything you are saying.  You're either stupid or a racist.  You tell me.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,084]

Lamar has 7 fourth quarter comebacks in 5 years. That’s nothing to brag about.  And how many were won because he has the greatest FG kicker in history hitting bombs? 

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7 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Purdy was undefeated as a starter in his rookie season.  Led league in pass rating.  NEVERMIND HIS SITUATION AND THE DYNAMICS HE PLAYS UNDER.  Guys like gutter who know football say lOoK aT THe StatS mAn!  

Purdy is clearly a top 3 QB in the league.  That was his rookie season.  He will only get better.  Look out Mahomes.  

I never said that.  Now you're just making sh1t up after I embarrassed you.

  Anyone that knows football knows that competent QBs in Shanahan's system do well.  Purdy is no exception.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,084]

Colin Kaepernick has as many fourth quarter comebacks as Lamar. 

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Aaron Rodgers' worst season.  Packers weren't good.  He is old.  His 2 best WRs were rookies.  

Lamar Jackson sort of entering his prime.

Same QB Rating.  Same exact.  

Elite.  

[MDC 7,194]

Gentlemen I think we’re getting sidetracked here. The point of this thread is Howie Roseman’s genius in drafting the best QB in the NFC in Round 2 and locking him up to a team friendly deal ahead of Burrow, Herbert, and Lamar.

 

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And Rodgers actually sees plenty of 2 high coverage.  Less cheating from the secondary trying to stop the Ravens running attack.  

 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

14 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Lamar has 7 fourth quarter comebacks in 5 years. That’s nothing to brag about.  And how many were won because he has the greatest FG kicker in history hitting bombs? 

He had 4 in 2021, ranking him #2: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/comeback.cgi?player=JackLa00

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2950676-ranking-the-nfls-5-most-clutch-quarterbacks-this-season

He had a bad season last year with injuries.

Keep going, you're doing great.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,084]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

He had 4 in 2021, ranking him #2: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/comeback.cgi?player=JackLa00

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2950676-ranking-the-nfls-5-most-clutch-quarterbacks-this-season

He had a bad season last year with injuries.

Keep going, you're doing great.

So he had an outlier year. That makes 3 in the other four years. Yeah, you made a great point. Wow.