Biden vs Trump…again.

[The Real timschochet 6,773]

It looks inevitable…

I get that, given this choice, most conservatives here and elsewhere will vote for Trump. And I’m sure most of you get that, given this choice, most liberals here and elsewhere will vote for Biden. 
 

And we’ll have those arguments. But for now, aren’t all of you as depressed as I am that this appears to be the choice we’re going to have to make? How the fock did we get here? What are we doing wrong as a society to get here? This is awful. 

[Tree of Knowledge 1,860]

Had they not stolen the 2020 election from Father Trump you would be done with him in 2 years.  Reap what you sow.  
 

[The Real timschochet 6,773]

As for Biden.:.he probably knows he shouldn’t run again. But he can’t help himself. All of these politicians, and I mean 100% of them, won’t let go until they’re forced out by the people or by law. They’re just like aging boxers, or quarterbacks, or rock stars: they can’t give up the spotlight. In American history, George Washington is the only guy I can think of who willingly walked away from power. Nobody else comes to mind. 

[The Real timschochet 6,773]

3 minutes ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

Had they not stolen the 2020 election from Father Trump you would be done with him in 2 years.  Reap what you sow.  
 

Stay consistent KD, we all need the humor in the months to come. 

[MDC 7,434]

The major parties and media get folks on both sides of the aisle riled up over non-issues that matter to an infinitely small % of people. The voters bicker over those issues and convince themselves it’s a matter of life or death to back their side. The parties have no incentive to run better candidates because they are guaranteed a block of voters no matter who they nominate. Independent voters get disgusted and either vote 3rd party or not at all.

Rinse wash repeat.

[5-Points 3,536]

If you care about the future of America/Americans more than you care about Ukraine/Ukranians or Sounth/Central Americans, you'll vote for Trump.

If you hate America, you'll vote for Biden.

 

[The Real timschochet 6,773]

4 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

If you care about the future of America/Americans more than you care about Ukraine/Ukranians or Sounth/Central Americans, you'll vote for Trump.

If you hate America, you'll vote for Biden.

 

Thanks for making that clear. I wasn’t sure that I hated America before now. 

[5-Points 3,536]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Thanks for making that clear. I wasn’t sure that I hated America before now. 

Really? Everybody else knew.

[thegeneral 3,214]

35 minutes ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

Had they not stolen the 2020 election from Father Trump you would be done with him in 2 years.  Reap what you sow.  
 

The moon is made of cheese!

[thegeneral 3,214]

I can’t believe you lot would settle on Trump again. 

[5-Points 3,536]

4 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

I can’t believe you lot would settle on Trump again. 

Why not? He had everything humming along prior to covid. You can't honestly say you think America is in a better position now than it was during Trump's pre-covid years. 

If he's the nominee he absolutely has my vote. 

[Tree of Knowledge 1,860]

Other than the China Virus being unleashed on the world, Trump’s 4 years were a triumphant period in our nation’s history.  We can only aspire to get back to that level of peace, prosperity, and unity after this mess is swept out. 

[thegeneral 3,214]

40 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

Why not? He had everything humming along prior to covid. You can't honestly say you think America is in a better position now than it was during Trump's pre-covid years. 

If he's the nominee he absolutely has my vote. 

Would you agree he was handed quite a different situation than Biden? He was teed up. Any dope could have walked into that. 

His post losing act should be enough to disqualify him for everyone. I can’t believe anyone would sign up for that again. 

[5-Points 3,536]

16 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Would you agree he was handed quite a different situation than Biden? He was teed up. Any dope could have walked into that. 

His post losing act should be enough to disqualify him for everyone. I can’t believe anyone would sign up for that again. 

Sure. Obama stoked all the racial tension that Trump had to overcome. And he did so with flying colors. Because of Trump's policies, every American who wanted a job was able to get one. He took a ton of people off the welfare roles and put them to work, bettering themselves and the economy. In the process, he gave a lot of minorities the hope for a better future that Obama promised but never delivered. 

Nobody likes being cheated, lied about or stolen from. Trump's recent poll numbers should serve as a reminder that most hard working Americans don't like it either. 

[Fumbleweed 547]

Trump will have nowhere near the ability to garner independent votes that DeSantis has. If Republicans are at all serious about defeating the left in 2024, they will support DeSantis in the primaries. 

[thegeneral 3,214]

2 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

Sure. Obama stoked all the racial tension that Trump had to overcome. And he did so with flying colors. Because of Trump's policies, every American who wanted a job was able to get one. He took a ton of people off the welfare roles and put them to work, bettering themselves and the economy. In the process, he gave a lot of minorities the hope for a better future that Obama promised but never delivered. 

Nobody likes being cheated, lied about or stolen from. Trump's recent poll numbers should serve as a reminder that most hard working Americans don't like it either. 

I’m not buying this Obama stoked racial tension stuff I have seen repeated here a few times. He did it by what, being a black man? And, Trump fixed this? That is absurd. Obama handed the country off in a decent position.

Unemployment was and continues to be at historic lows. 

There is no spin for the post election act. The Senate should have done their job and convicted him. He wasn’t cheated, he lost. He hasn’t changed his tune either and still is going on about it rambling about it nonstop. I’m guessing you don’t see this as “stoking” anything though.

How can anyone want to listen to this complete horseshet for years again? You all will have a handful of people to choose from. For the love of God do us all a favor and pass on this jerkoff

[5-Points 3,536]

1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

I’m not buying this Obama stoked racial tension stuff I have seen repeated here a few times. He did it by what, being a black man? And, Trump fixed this? That is absurd. Obama handed the country off in a decent position.

Unemployment was and continues to be at historic lows. 

There is no spin for the post election act. The Senate should have done their job and convicted him. He wasn’t cheated, he lost. He hasn’t changed his tune either and still is going on about it rambling about it nonstop. I’m guessing you don’t see this as “stoking” anything though.

How can anyone want to listen to this complete horseshet for years again? You all will have a handful of people to choose from. For the love of God do us all a favor and pass on this jerkoff

He set race relations back decades. It's undeniable. I'm not sure how you can't see that. Maybe you just don't want to. 

 

[Mike Honcho 5,283]

2 hours ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

Had they not stolen the 2020 election from Father Trump you would be done with him in 2 years.  Reap what you sow.  
 

How many billions will Fox & others pay before you will sing a different tune?

[thegeneral 3,214]

3 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

He set race relations back decades. It's undeniable. I'm not sure how you can't see that. Maybe you just don't want to. 

By doing what exactly?

In any case electing Donald Trump was the cure? That is wild.

[thegeneral 3,214]

4 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

He set race relations back decades. It's undeniable. I'm not sure how you can't see that. Maybe you just don't want to. 

 

I’d also like to keep this issue separate if we can. I don’t get this point but am curious to see this explained. 

Separately, what is your response to selecting a guy who pulled that post loss shet that Donald did? It should be an automatic DQ.

[5-Points 3,536]

2 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

By doing what exactly?

In any case electing Donald Trump was the cure? That is wild.

Trump had record black and Hispanic voters in 2020. It seems giving people the opportunity to be self reliant resonates with people of all races. Despite what the left has been preaching for decades. 

[5-Points 3,536]

3 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

I’d also like to keep this issue separate if we can. I don’t get this point but am curious to see this explained. 

Separately, what is your response to selecting a guy who pulled that post loss shet that Donald did? It should be an automatic DQ.

What sh!t did Trump pull? Complaining about outright lies? Who wouldn't do that? 

 

[thegeneral 3,214]

1 minute ago, 5-Points said:

6 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

By doing what exactly?

In any case electing Donald Trump was the cure? That is wild.

Trump had record black and Hispanic voters in 2020. It seems giving people the opportunity to be self reliant resonates with people of all races. Despite what the left has been preaching for decades. 

What did Obama do to stoke racial divide was the question though.

[thegeneral 3,214]

1 minute ago, 5-Points said:

What sh!t did Trump pull? Complaining about outright lies? Who wouldn't do that? 

 

You can’t be serious.

[5-Points 3,536]

12 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

What did Obama do to stoke racial divide was the question though.

Obama personally? He made some derogatory statements and baseless accusations about how blacks are unfairly treated by police. 

His policies, however, and the media sensationalization and misreporting of facts regarding police interactions with minorities, had a lot to do with the formation of BLM & Antifa. Both of which are race baiting, rabble rousing, domestic terrorist organizations who instigated a lot of civil unrest and race related riots. Which cost a lot of innocent people their lives and/or livelihoods. 

Obama did that.

[5-Points 3,536]

7 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

You can’t be serious.

I am. 

[thegeneral 3,214]

4 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

Obama personally? He made some derogatory statements and baseless accusations about how blacks are unfairly treated by police. 

His policies, however, and the media sensationalization and misreporting of facts regarding police interactions with minorities, had a lot to do with the formation of BLM & Antifa. Both of which are race baiting, rabble rousing, domestic terrorist organizations who instigated a lot of civil unrest and race related riots. Which cost a lot of innocent people their lives and/or livelihoods. 

Obama did that.

I disagree with the premise behind pretty much all of this but fair enough and thank you for a response that isn’t gibberish.

[thegeneral 3,214]

3 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

I am. 

You think he is simply exposing people lying about the election?

[5-Points 3,536]

4 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

I disagree with the premise behind pretty much all of this but fair enough and thank you for a response that isn’t gibberish.

We can agree that BLM started during Obama's terms, right? 

Why, when we have the first black president in American history, would such a group begin? One would assume, given our history, that the election of a black man as president  would indicate a shift in the culture and suggest race relations were heading in the right direction. 

How do you explain the subsequent increase in racial tension and civil unrest? 

[thegeneral 3,214]

13 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

We can agree that BLM started during Obama's terms, right? 

Why, when we have the first black president in American history, would such a group begin? One would assume, given our history, that the election of a black man as president  would indicate a shift in the culture and suggest race relations were heading in the right direction. 

How do you explain the subsequent increase in racial tension and civil unrest? 

What would Obama have anything to do with this? This isn’t as simple as a black man becoming President and voila everything is hunky dory. 

The idea that electing Trump somehow then fixes anything in that regard is kind of laughable to me.

In any case the whole of the county was in a much better position when Obama handed the keys off than when Trump did. I don’t blame Covid on Trump solely of course just like I wouldn’t blame race relations solely on Obama but it’s just the fact. Biden was dealt a shet hand. He’s been adequate. 

Signing back up for a Trump run is insanity to me was my original point. I can’t wrap my brain around how you all would pick him again. I still don’t think he’ll be the nom but I am definitely beginning to waver.

[seafoam1 3,031]

3 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

It looks inevitable…

I get that, given this choice, most conservatives here and elsewhere will vote for Trump. And I’m sure most of you get that, given this choice, most liberals here and elsewhere will vote for Biden. 
 

And we’ll have those arguments. But for now, aren’t all of you as depressed as I am that this appears to be the choice we’re going to have to make? How the fock did we get here? What are we doing wrong as a society to get here? This is awful. 

Dear Lord. You are focking a idiot. We all know the shlt your vote for. What's the point of you pushing more of it?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,445]

2017-2019 were three of the best years in our nations history.  Peace and prosperity were the order of the day.  So OMB had to go. 

[5-Points 3,536]

20 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

What would Obama have anything to do with this? This isn’t as simple as a black man becoming President and voila everything is hunky dory. 

The idea that electing Trump somehow then fixes anything in that regard is kind of laughable to me.

In any case the whole of the county was in a much better position when Obama handed the keys off than when Trump did. I don’t blame Covid on Trump solely of course just like I wouldn’t blame race relations solely on Obama but it’s just the fact. Biden was dealt a shet hand. He’s been adequate. 

Signing back up for a Trump run is insanity to me was my original point. I can’t wrap my brain around how you all would pick him again. I still don’t think he’ll be the nom but I am definitely beginning to waver.

I wasn't suggesting that electing a black man president was the end all be all of racial harmony in America but it should've been a significant step in the right direction. 

But it wasn't. It resulted in the most race based civil unrest in decades and it wasn't coincidental. 

Trump's policies put everybody back to work. It gave people the hope they were promised but never realized under Obama. Trump’s policies garnered more minority support for the GOP than they've probably ever had. He did more for minorities in America than the DNC has done in decades and more for Americans as a whole than the establishment has done in generations. 

The establishment didn't like that. But the people who benefited from it want it back. And now they've seen the truth about the media. 

[seafoam1 3,031]

3 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

I wasn't suggesting that electing a black man president was the end all be all of racial harmony in America but it should've been a significant step in the right direction. 

But it wasn't. It resulted in the most race based civil unrest in decades and it wasn't coincidental. 

Trump's policies put everybody back to work. It gave people the hope they were promised but never realized under Obama. Trump’s policies garnered more minority support for the GOP than they've probably ever had. He did more for minorities in America than the DNC has done in decades and more for Americans as a whole than the establishment has done in generations. 

The establishment didn't like that. But the people who benefited from it want it back. And now they've seen the truth about the media. 

Can't be stated enough. Obama flat out did exactly what he should never have done. And there is no turning back now. 

[5-Points 3,536]

3 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Can't be stated enough. Obama flat out did exactly what he should never have done. And there is no turning back now. 

Depends on the agenda. Seems to be working exactly as planned. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,445]

Anyone that thinks Obama/ Hillary didn’t stoke racial division, one question: What happened to occupy Wall Street and all that talk of the top 1 pct? Did they start sharing all of a sudden, get their taxes raised? Lol. And poof! It was gone. Replaced by systemic racism and white privilege.  

[thegeneral 3,214]

10 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

I wasn't suggesting that electing a black man president was the end all be all of racial harmony in America but it should've been a significant step in the right direction. 

But it wasn't. It resulted in the most race based civil unrest in decades and it wasn't coincidental. 

Trump's policies put everybody back to work. It gave people the hope they were promised but never realized under Obama. Trump’s policies garnered more minority support for the GOP than they've probably ever had. He did more for minorities in America than the DNC has done in decades and more for Americans as a whole than the establishment has done in generations. 

The establishment didn't like that. But the people who benefited from it want it back. And now they've seen the truth about the media. 

Why would simply electing a Black person put an end to racial issues, do you not think this is over simplifying things a bit? I still don’t see your point that Obama caused this. He was very moderate in my view. 

Put everybody back to work? Unemployment was going down the majority of the time Obama was Prez and continued down as they have today outside of the Covid times.

Again why are we avoiding the post election manically behavior of Trump? He should be ineligible because of this. 

[thegeneral 3,214]

13 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Can't be stated enough. Obama flat out did exactly what he should never have done. And there is no turning back now. 

What did he do that he should never have done?

[thegeneral 3,214]

The main question is why are you GOP’ers voting for this guy? I am hanging my hat on the fact there isn’t anyone else in the race…but when is this happening and when will it suddenly happen. Ronald is shettibg the bed. It’s still training camp I suppose to make a football analogy but he’s looking shaky as hell. 

I am with those of you who think Trump won’t win the nom. Let’s work together to make sure that doesn’t happen.

[5-Points 3,536]

19 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

I wasn't suggesting that electing a black man president was the end all be all of racial harmony in America but it should've been a significant step in the right direction. 

But it wasn't. It resulted in the most race based civil unrest in decades and it wasn't coincidental. 

 

2 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Why would simply electing a Black person put an end to racial issues, do you not think this is over simplifying things a bit? I still don’t see your point that Obama caused this. He was very moderate in my view. 

Where did I say that?

And what exactly did Trump do to disqualify him in your opinion? 

And before you ask, yes, I'm serious. 

What did HE do? If proclaiming the election was stolen is worthy of a DQ then there are quite a few dems who should be thrown out of office.