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6 hours ago, thegeneral said:

With that will come many of the issues that other cities deal with. Good luck! I’m sure everyone in Texas will love it 😀

Negative.  The issues come because of liberals voting in liberals and those liberal policies they end up creating and screweing everyone over.

The issues will not happen if the people keep their elected officials Republican. 

However, I applaud your effort in trying to cover that up in your post,

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8 minutes ago, Reality said:

 

 

And of course, we should now await the leftists to spin and lie about this...... fine by me, lying about their outcomes is our best hope to end them.....

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Oakland has closed several large stores and restaurants. 

One of the most notable is their In N Out burger. Chain has been around over 75 years and NEVER closed a store. First store closed - Oakland. Due to the crime. 

 

But hey! There isn't a crime problem in CA! What are you guys even talking about?! 

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This is bad news.  We need to keep the cockroaches in the areas they voted to destroy so they can live under their own policies and suffer.  We don't want them destroying other places.

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1 minute ago, TheNewGirl said:

Oakland has closed several large stores and restaurants. 

One of the most notable is their In N Out burger. Chain has been around over 75 years and NEVER closed a store. First store closed - Oakland. Due to the crime. 

 

But hey! There isn't a crime problem in CA! What are you guys even talking about?! 

Yep.  54 year old Denny's closing for safety reasons too:

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/denny-s-oakland-closes-54-years-due-safety-18640687.php

 

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So, I am reading about this. 

If the property values tank and nothing is there, govt buys the land, or big corporations do. They get grants from the govt, create a society dependent on the govt and their work there is done. Kommiefornia. Problem with this is, no one will want to work or better themselves if they get hand outs, likely wouldn't even work in the collective farms or businesses. 

Sounds like Gavin and his plan for the nation. 

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9 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

Oakland has closed several large stores and restaurants. 

One of the most notable is their In N Out burger. Chain has been around over 75 years and NEVER closed a store. First store closed - Oakland. Due to the crime. 

 

But hey! There isn't a crime problem in CA! What are you guys even talking about?! 

Ask any "independent" here.  They will say crime isn't an issue.  Its just big city life and things happen.  

Simple.  No need to look around any longer.  

To me its simple logic.  As seen with that gas station by the airport well multiple ones....cops cant pursue a non violent crime.  So guys can come punch out a windoe and grab your belongings while you pump gas.  Every 15 minutes.  Cops just sit there because they aren't allowed to do anything.  

Its 3rd world country stuff.  Tons of people are normal enough to care about crime and safety.   Even Californians.   Yet they always vote for people that want to hand power to criminals.  

Its bizarre over there.  

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11 minutes ago, Strike said:

Not happening.    Its what the Libs say.  

They don't care about inner city black people.  One side of their mouth urban youth are at a disadvantage because of their surroundings.   Other side its lets get weaker on crime!  It will help in the long run!   As these communities just lose businesses.  Have high crime.  And let criminals have a free for all.  

The lack of logic is astounding.   

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In SF for first time since pandemic. Beautiful city. It really is in a stunning setting. One of top big cities in nation to visit.

 

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2 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

In SF for first time since pandemic. Beautiful city. It really is in a stunning setting. One of top big cities in nation to visit.

 

Token try too hard post.  

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8 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

In SF for first time since pandemic. Beautiful city. It really is in a stunning setting. One of top big cities in nation to visit.

 

You should make sure you download the snapcrap app. 

https://medium.com/@miller.stowe/snapcrap-why-i-built-an-app-to-report-poop-on-the-streets-of-san-francisco-aac12382a7ce#:~:text=app it deserved.-,The App,if they have been resolved.

 

also: https://www.arcgis.com/apps/View/index.html?appid=b6fab720912642b6aedafdb02a76d2a4

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Just now, TheNewGirl said:

I walked from Haight to Union Square area last night. Skirted the Tenderloin which has always been nuts.

It still is!

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7 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Token try too hard post.  

It happens to be true. SF way up there for unique big US cities. NYC, New Orleans, Seattle come to mind as well. 

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Just now, thegeneral said:

It happens to be true. SF way up there for unique big US cities. NYC, New Orleans, Seattle come to mind as well. 

Im sure geogrpahy of SF is pretty.  Im sure the rich parts of the place are nice.  The ones that get some police presence.   

But they have a poop app.  

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Just now, listen2me 23 said:

Im sure geogrpahy of SF is pretty.  Im sure the rich parts of the place are nice.  The ones that get some police presence.   

But they have a poop app.  

Big cities def have bad parts. 

The setup of this city is so unique and the outlying areas are amazing. I get the crazy price tags. It is one of best areas in country IMO.

I am also watching where I am stepping. 

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33 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Big cities def have bad parts. 

The setup of this city is so unique and the outlying areas are amazing. I get the crazy price tags. It is one of best areas in country IMO.

I am also watching where I am stepping. 

What outlying areas? 

Do you have specific cities that are outlying that are amazing? I am genuinely interested in hearing your opinion. 

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5 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

What outlying areas? 

Do you have specific cities that are outlying that are amazing? I am genuinely interested in hearing your opinion. 

Pretty much everywhere I have been around here. The other side of the GG bridge (Marin County?) was sweet. Wife and I are big into wine and food and have done trips to Yountville and that area was fantastic. Thought Half Moon Bay was very cool and the whole drive down to Santa Cruz. I’m huge golfer and the Carmel area is world famous and didn’t disappoint.

If I had unlimited cash this would def be an area I’d look at. 

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2 hours ago, listen2me 23 said:

Token try too hard post.  

right?  I mean, c'mon.  That was the most obvious and fake attempt I've ever seen at someone trying to blow smoke up everyone's ass.  What a loser.  :doh:

That was even worse than Tim's fever dream posts.

IIRC, thegeneral was the same guy in the other forum that said he looked out his front window during the BLM/Antifa riots of a few years ago, didn't see anything and claimed there was no rioting.

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3 hours ago, TheNewGirl said:

So, I am reading about this. 

If the property values tank

I stopped here. It’s not happening. Not in Southern California anyhow. Not in most of Northern California either. 

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In all seriousness: California certainly has its problems but we’re only going to get wealthier long term. Many reasons for this but the main one is that the United States trade with Asia is at the beginning stage, and is going to explode in the decades to come. California is at the center of that trade. We are the marketplace of the world. Trade and energy- this is the future of the world’s economy. Nothing else really matters. 

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7 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I stopped here. It’s not happening. Not in Southern California anyhow. Not in most of Northern California either. 

Do you carry a pooper scooper to clean up the homeless poop in your yard? 💩

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4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

In all seriousness: California certainly has its problems but we’re only going to get wealthier long term. Many reasons for this but the main one is that the United States trade with Asia is at the beginning stage, and is going to explode in the decades to come. California is at the center of that trade. We are the marketplace of the world. Trade and energy- this is the future of the world’s economy. Nothing else really matters. 

Perhaps.....but I think your rosy picture is perhaps not going to measure up to outcomes.

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1 hour ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

right?  I mean, c'mon.  That was the most obvious and fake attempt I've ever seen at someone trying to blow smoke up everyone's ass.  What a loser.  :doh:

That was even worse than Tim's fever dream posts.

IIRC, thegeneral was the same guy in the other forum that said he looked out his front window during the BLM/Antifa riots of a few years ago, didn't see anything and claimed there was no rioting.

I think you remembered incorrectly.

SF is an amazing city. I think it’s crazy people don’t agree with this but I guess that’s what makes the world go round. 

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2 hours ago, thegeneral said:

Pretty much everywhere I have been around here. The other side of the GG bridge (Marin County?) was sweet. Wife and I are big into wine and food and have done trips to Yountville and that area was fantastic. Thought Half Moon Bay was very cool and the whole drive down to Santa Cruz. I’m huge golfer and the Carmel area is world famous and didn’t disappoint.

If I had unlimited cash this would def be an area I’d look at. 

Literally ALL of those areas are NOT San Francisco. Certainly not the downtown areas of SF. Comparing SF  to South SF and Santa Cruz/Monterey is just ridiculous. 

Santa Cruz is like 70 miles south of SF, and Half Moon Bay just north of that IIRC. 

And Yountville? Literally in the heart of Napa County. Of course you're seeing the nicer parts of the freaking CA WINE country. 

So ridiculous to say you think "SF is just fine and beautiful" and proceed to compare it to wine country. JFC. 

 

40 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Perhaps.....but I think your rosy picture is perhaps not going to measure up to outcomes.

Tim is CA rich. He doesn't think out of the box and does NO research at all.

 

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58 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I stopped here. It’s not happening. Not in Southern California anyhow. Not in most of Northern California either. 

You think the property value of the Denny's that closed is good? 

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8 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

Literally ALL of those areas are NOT San Francisco. Certainly not the downtown areas of SF. Comparing SF  to South SF and Santa Cruz/Monterey is just ridiculous. 

Santa Cruz is like 70 miles south of SF, and Half Moon Bay just north of that IIRC. 

And Yountville? Literally in the heart of Napa County. Of course you're seeing the nicer parts of the freaking CA WINE country. 

So ridiculous to say you think "SF is just fine and beautiful" and proceed to compare it to wine country. JFC. 

I thought that is what you asked? “Outlying areas”…How many big cities have this stuff that close? Not many.

In the city I like the Haight neighborhood I was in yesterday. In the past I liked that giant park that was on west side of city and the hoods around that. I am going to Mission District tonight, tons of food and bars there that look good.

As to this city’s setting I don’t see how anyone can’t realize how cool looking it is. From hotel window could see East Bay, Coit Tower. The houses in all the neighborhoods in the city also very nice to look at.

 

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5 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

I thought that is what you asked? “Outlying areas”…How many big cities have this stuff that close? Not many.

In the city I like the Haight neighborhood I was in yesterday. In the past I liked that giant park that was on west side of city and the hoods around that. I am going to Mission District tonight, tons of food and bars there that look good.

As to this city’s setting I don’t see how anyone can’t realize how cool looking it is. From hotel window could see East Bay, Coit Tower. The houses in all the neighborhoods in the city also very nice to look at.

 

Of course all of the areas that are OUTSIDE of SF are going to be nicer, which is my point. 

You wouldn't actually LIVE in the areas in SF that you're not seeing is my point. In the past, the park that you're talking about probably wasn't over run with homeless drug users. I wouldn't set foot near it after dark now. 

I am sure a lot of cities are "cool looking." Vegas is pretty cool looking. But you get down there on the streets and you can't walk 10 feet without something smelling like someone took a shiit. I am sure NYC is pretty cool looking too. 

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1 minute ago, TheNewGirl said:

Of course all of the areas that are OUTSIDE of SF are going to be nicer, which is my point. 

You wouldn't actually LIVE in the areas in SF that you're not seeing is my point. In the past, the park that you're talking about probably wasn't over run with homeless drug users. I wouldn't set foot near it after dark now. 

I am sure a lot of cities are "cool looking." Vegas is pretty cool looking. But you get down there on the streets and you can't walk 10 feet without something smelling like someone took a shiit. I am sure NYC is pretty cool looking too. 

Well that is what I meant by outlying areas. I would say having all this so close to a city this big is what makes the area unique.

Vegas is fine but no where near SF. You realize these are opinions, right? If you prefer Vegas that is great. 

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1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

In all seriousness: California certainly has its problems but we’re only going to get wealthier long term. Many reasons for this but the main one is that the United States trade with Asia is at the beginning stage, and is going to explode in the decades to come. California is at the center of that trade. We are the marketplace of the world. Trade and energy- this is the future of the world’s economy. Nothing else really matters. 

All that money.  All that virtue signaling about poor.  Yet still a huge poverty problem.  

Utopia?  Where is the wealth?  I understand you said nothing else matters.  

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1 hour ago, listen2me 23 said:

All that money.  All that virtue signaling about poor.  Yet still a huge poverty problem.  

Utopia?  Where is the wealth?  I understand you said nothing else matters.  

Good question. How best should we deal with poverty? 
 

The liberal solution: you have a safety net for the poorest among us. You have programs to combat inequities, including racial inequities. And you improve education across the board. 

The conservative solution: You lower regulations and taxes so that small businesses have a chance to thrive. You strengthen law enforcement in order to make society safer. 
 

On this issue I’m not an either- or guy. I think my state has too many regulations and I’d like to lower taxes if I can. I’d like our communities to be safer. On the other hand, I do believe in the safety net and social programs and spending a lot on education. So it’s a mixed bag for me, probably why the politicians I like the best are business oriented Democrats like Rick Caruso. 

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10 hours ago, thegeneral said:

SF is an amazing city.

Parts of it. You see the touristy side of SF, that part is definitely amazing, overall it's a toilet. 

It's been over run with drug addicts, homeless and criminals. It's easy when crime is all but legal there. 

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18 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Good question. How best should we deal with poverty? 
 

The liberal solution: you have a safety net for the poorest among us. You have programs to combat inequities, including racial inequities. And you improve education across the board. 

The conservative solution: You lower regulations and taxes so that small businesses have a chance to thrive. You strengthen law enforcement in order to make society safer. 
 

On this issue I’m not an either- or guy. I think my state has too many regulations and I’d like to lower taxes if I can. I’d like our communities to be safer. On the other hand, I do believe in the safety net and social programs and spending a lot on education. So it’s a mixed bag for me, probably why the politicians I like the best are business oriented Democrats like Rick Caruso. 

I laugh at the concept of a safety net.  Safety nets are intended to catch the falling.  They are not intended to be nesting sites for generations.  That is what they have become, safety nests.  Liberals have had their xsperiment on fighting poverty since Johnson's Great Society.  Their solutions have bred generational poverty and ignorance.  How long are we going to tolerate incentivizing ignorance, school drop outs, and teen pregnancy while touting improving education, another three or four generations?  You are always going on about institutional racism when an institution is not racist but individuals within it are.  Here is your example of institutional degradation and yes racism.  We have institutions which foster a subclass which is unemployable and ignorant, living in squalor, and while the programs are somewhat broader than to one race only they were initiated and are continued by folks that just don't think the black man can get by without the white government's paternalism.    

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47 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

I laugh at the concept of a safety net.  Safety nets are intended to catch the falling.  They are not intended to be nesting sites for generations.  That is what they have become, safety nests.  Liberals have had their esperiment on fighting poverty siunce Johnson's Great Society.  Their solutions have bred generational poverty and ignorance.  How long are we going to tolerate incentivizing ignorance, school drop outs, and teen pregnancy while touting improving education, another three or four generations?  You are always going on about institutional racism when an institution is not racist but individuals within it are.  Here is your example of institutional degradation and yes racism.  We have institutions which foster a subclass which is unemployable and ignorant, living in squalor, and while the programs are somewhat broader than to one race only they were initiated and are continued by folks that just don't think the black man can get by without the white government's paternalism.    

Well this is the standard conservative argument; you’re not offering anything new. I appreciate some of what you’re saying but not enough to dismantle the programs we already have. I would work to improve them rather than destroy them. 

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12 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Good question. How best should we deal with poverty? 
 

The liberal solution: you have a safety net for the poorest among us. You have programs to combat inequities, including racial inequities. And you improve education across the board. 

The conservative solution: You lower regulations and taxes so that small businesses have a chance to thrive. You strengthen law enforcement in order to make society safer. 
 

On this issue I’m not an either- or guy. I think my state has too many regulations and I’d like to lower taxes if I can. I’d like our communities to be safer. On the other hand, I do believe in the safety net and social programs and spending a lot on education. So it’s a mixed bag for me, probably why the politicians I like the best are business oriented Democrats like Rick Caruso. 

For a party that "cares" about the poor and points its finger at conservatives only caring about the wealthy.  For a party that goes on and on about how urban people are at a disadvantage because of their environment.....what have you guys accomplished for poverty in these places that have a stranglehold by Libs?  Where are your results?  Their solutions are basically to just try and skew nunbers.  Oh we have too much crime?  Well lets go after less criminals.  Ta Da!   Less numbers of crimes!  Hey urban youth and education need fixed!  Ta Da less dumb down tests and just require less.   Fixed!

How do Lib policies help inter city people?  Crap where you want helps?  Relaxed against crime and cops cant even pursue a non violent crime (apparently smashing a persons windows with a kid inside the car and stealing items isnt violent to thr left)....helps?

How does this crap help?   Simple.  It doesn’t.  

Maybe the right doesn’t have a perfect solution.   Letting the police do their job would help however.  But thr left clearly doesn't have one.  They have pounded the table about blacks and the poor yet have stagnet results.  Now they have decided to hand over power to criminals and let them have a free for all.  Sound solution.  

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