GutterBoy Alleges That: "There Is No Logic Coming From Jordan Peterson" (Let's Explore That)

[The Real timschochet 6,447]

33 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

I believe people, especially children/teens can be groomed into situations. Do I think that grooming transgenders/binary children/teens is happening at the level that some believe it is? No. I don't think it's being falsely applied; just not applied at the extent that others think it is. 

I don't think it belongs in schools, and I don't think that we should be passing laws that state if the child wants to transition they can be removed from their parents if needed. I also don't think gender affirming care should be paid by insurance companies, especially when some birth control isn't for biological females 

As long as we have private insurance it shouldn’t be up to you what they cover. If you want to go for universal health care, which I’m in favor of, then we can discuss this question. 
 

As far as it being in schools, why not? These people exist. They don’t threaten children. All too many Americans fear them based out of ignorance. Shouldn’t part of school be about teaching children to accept different people and not fear them? I think that’s important. 
 

ETA per your middle point, children shouldn’t be removed from parents UNLESS the parents are abusive. Forcing a child with gender dysphoria to accept his or her current body might be considered abusive depending on specifics. 

[seafoam1 2,804]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

As long as we have private insurance it shouldn’t be up to you what they cover. If you want to go for universal health care, which I’m in favor of, then we can discuss this question. 
 

As far as it being in schools, why not? These people exist. They don’t threaten children. All too many Americans fear them based out of ignorance. Shouldn’t part of school be about teaching children to accept different people and not fear them? I think that’s important. 

Coming drom a guy who hires illegals on the cheap and won't pay for insurance.

Another turd who wants big government. 

[TheNewGirl 1,357]

53 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

 

ETA per your middle point, children shouldn’t be removed from parents UNLESS the parents are abusive. Forcing a child with gender dysphoria to accept his or her current body might be considered abusive depending on specifics. 

So you agree that children should be taken from their families? If the parent doesn't allow their child (let's say a 6 year old) to go through transition? 

[Dizkneelande 1,086]

Totally normal

 

[jerryskids 6,576]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

 

ETA per your middle point, children shouldn’t be removed from parents UNLESS the parents are abusive. Forcing a child with gender dysphoria to accept his or her current body might be considered abusive depending on specifics. 

What about a kid without gender dysphoria who identifies as trans, hormones and surgery, yay or nay?

[The Real timschochet 6,447]

48 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

So you agree that children should be taken from their families? If the parent doesn't allow their child (let's say a 6 year old) to go through transition? 

See, this is why I wrote it depends on the specifics. Under the soecifics you offered, obviously no, the child should not be taken. But let’s say a 17 year old wants to go through transition. And the parents are religious Christians and want to force the kid to go through some sort of religious based “therapy” instead. In that case it MIGHT be appropriate to remove the kid. 

Can you see why I am opposed to laws about this stuff? There’s too many variables. 

[The Real timschochet 6,447]

4 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

What about a kid without gender dysphoria who identifies as trans, hormones and surgery, yay or nay?

Sorry I’m not sure I understand what you’re asking here. 

[dogcows 1,030]

1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

What about a kid without gender dysphoria who identifies as trans, hormones or surgery, yay or nay?

For kids, it should be up to the doctor and parents to diagnose and treat diseases or mental disorders of any kind. It’s already illegal for doctors to prescribe drugs and surgeries fraudulently.

Most lawmakers know absolutely nothing about medicine, so why are they inserting themselves between doctors and patients? Jon Stewart put this question to the AG of Arkansas too, and the answer was, as always, that the anti-trans lawmakers think they know better than parents and doctors what’s good for somebody else’s kids. It’s really a betrayal of what the GOP claims to stand for.

[jerryskids 6,576]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Sorry I’m not sure I understand what you’re asking here. 

Ok let's back up.  Do you believe that all trans people suffer from gender dysphoria? Or instead, can you identify as trans without gender dysphoria? 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

2 minutes ago, dogcows said:

For kids, it should be up to the doctor and parents to diagnose and treat diseases or mental disorders of any kind. It’s already illegal for doctors to prescribe drugs and surgeries fraudulently.

Most lawmakers know absolutely nothing about medicine, so why are they inserting themselves between doctors and patients? Jon Stewart put this question to the AG of Arkansas too, and the answer was, as always, that the anti-trans lawmakers think they know better than parents and doctors what’s good for somebody else’s kids. It’s really a betrayal of what the GOP claims to stand for.

As a general principle, I don't want lawmakers interfering in my private life.  Conservatives used to agree.

[jerryskids 6,576]

3 minutes ago, dogcows said:

For kids, it should be up to the doctor and parents to diagnose and treat diseases or mental disorders of any kind. It’s already illegal for doctors to prescribe drugs and surgeries fraudulently.

Most lawmakers know absolutely nothing about medicine, so why are they inserting themselves between doctors and patients? Jon Stewart put this question to the AG of Arkansas too, and the answer was, as always, that the anti-trans lawmakers think they know better than parents and doctors what’s good for somebody else’s kids. It’s really a betrayal of what the GOP claims to stand for.

But families that go the medical route venture onto uncertain ground, where science has yet to catch up with practice. While the number of gender clinics treating children in the United States has grown from zero to more than 100 in the past 15 years – and waiting lists are long – strong evidence of the efficacy and possible long-term consequences of that treatment remains scant.

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-transyouth-care/

There has been an explosion of clinics whose financial success relies on transing kids, where science has yet to catch up to practice. I appreciate your optimism that all of these kids have debilitating gender dysphoria, but I don't share it.

[The Real timschochet 6,447]

11 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Ok let's back up.  Do you believe that all trans people suffer from gender dysphoria? Or instead, can you identify as trans without gender dysphoria? 

My understanding is that trans people who have yet to undertake the transition suffer from gender dysphoria. But I have no idea if this is absolutely true in all cases. 
 

But let’s cut to the chase. What I think doesn’t matter, what YOU think doesn’t matter. These sorts of decisions are best left to the person in question, in consultation with medical authorities, and with family if he or she is a minor. The state shouldn’t be involved, so I shouldn’t have to answer your questions. 

[jerryskids 6,576]

17 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

My understanding is that trans people who have yet to undertake the transition suffer from gender dysphoria. But I have no idea if this is absolutely true in all cases. 
 

But let’s cut to the chase. What I think doesn’t matter, what YOU think doesn’t matter. These sorts of decisions are best left to the person in question, in consultation with medical authorities, and with family if he or she is a minor. The state shouldn’t be involved, so I shouldn’t have to answer your questions. 

Interesting on the first part.  I happen to agree that all true trans people suffer from gender dysphoria.  Your buddy @squistiondisagrees but struggles to explain his reasoning, so I'm left to believe that somebody could wake up this morning feeling like a different sex, with no gender dysphoria, and society would consider them trans.

It is this latter group that concerns me.  While I also philosophically agree with you and @dogcowsthat we should err on the side of keeping the government out of medical decisions, that approach is predicated on parents receiving good advice.  As you see in my latest response to dogcows, we've had an explosion of trans clinics whose financial success requires transing people, and combined with the social contagion of celebrating anyone and everyone on the spectrum (which is why such clinics are expanding like weeds), has created an environment of questionable guidance.

[dogcows 1,030]

35 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

 

 

Especially when it comes to conditions without long-time proven treatments, we should have DOCTORS making the decisions, not POLITICIANS. This is really easy.

We already have a myriad of laws and ethics rules, along with medical boards and agencies regulating drugs and medical devices, to regulate doctors so that they are not hurting their patients nor taking advantage of them.

The last thing we need is election-denying nuts telling other people what medical care they can or cannot get their own kids.

Live and let live. It’s all “Parent’s rights!” when it comes to GOP legislators’ kids having to learn about Emmett Till, Rosa Parks, or Ruby Bridges. But parents of transgender kids are denied their rights by the same politicians. They need to GTFO.

[dogcows 1,030]

11 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

It is this latter group that concerns me.  While I also philosophically agree with you and @dogcowsthat we should err on the side of keeping the government out of medical decisions, that approach is predicated on parents receiving good advice.  As you see in my latest response to dogcows, we've had an explosion of trans clinics whose financial success requires transing people, and combined with the social contagion of celebrating anyone and everyone on the spectrum (which is why such clinics are expanding like weeds), has created an environment of questionable guidance.

The actions being taken by GOP legislatures (banning transgender medical care) in response to supposed “transition clinics” that are profiting from such treatments, are akin to banning all pain medication because we had some doctors massively profiting from opioids. Wildly disproportionate and would create massive amounts of collateral damage.

Complaints with medical boards and government regulators need to be filed against bad actors. Processes are already in place. Use them.

I found the article you posted very interesting. Most doctors are very up-front with parents about what risks come with transgender treatments, and these are laid out in the article. It seems to me people are going into this with their eyes open THANKS TO the doctors warning them about every possible negative side effect.

[GutterBoy 2,898]

15 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

we've had an explosion of trans clinics whose financial success requires transing people, and combined with the social contagion of celebrating anyone and everyone on the spectrum (which is why such clinics are expanding like weeds), has created an environment of questionable guidance.

So you feel like the govt needs to protect parents and kids from being scammed by evil trans clinics?

[jerryskids 6,576]

7 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Especially when it comes to conditions without long-time proven treatments, we should have DOCTORS making the decisions, not POLITICIANS. This is really easy.

We already have a myriad of laws and ethics rules, along with medical boards and agencies regulating drugs and medical devices, to regulate doctors so that they are not hurting their patients nor taking advantage of them.

The last thing we need is election-denying nuts telling other people what medical care they can or cannot get their own kids.

Live and let live. It’s all “Parent’s rights!” when it comes to GOP legislators’ kids having to learn about Emmett Till, Rosa Parks, or Ruby Bridges. But parents of transgender kids are denied their rights by the same politicians. They need to GTFO.

First, do no harm.  Presuming Reuters is correct that "strong evidence of the efficacy and possible long-term consequences of that treatment remains scant," your proposal seems contrary to this tenet of the medical profession.

4 minutes ago, dogcows said:

The actions being taken by GOP legislatures (banning transgender medical care) in response to supposed “transition clinics” that are profiting from such treatments, are akin to banning all pain medication because we had some doctors massively profiting from opioids. Wildly disproportionate and would create massive amounts of collateral damage.

Complaints with medical boards and government regulators need to be filed against bad actors. Processes are already in place. Use them.

Well, one problem with your analogy is that the numbers are reversed IMO.  Given the very low occurrence of true gender dysphoria, 100+ clinics are about 99 too many to survive financially.

And given the low numbers of gender dysphoria, the collateral damage would not be anywhere near massive, because very few people who truly need transitioning would be denied it.

That being said, pending and presuming there is an effective method to diagnose true gender dysphoria, I would not object to minors above the age of medical consent in a state to undergoing hormone and/or surgical approaches.  

[GutterBoy 2,898]

Most if not all people that want to ban transgender care are fundamentally against trans people.  Some will admit, others will hide behind specious arguments like these.

[jerryskids 6,576]

4 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

So you feel like the govt needs to protect parents and kids from being scammed by evil trans clinics?

Not exactly.  But if you have a hammer clinic, problems tend to look like nails.  Especially if society has convinced you that you are doing the Lord's work in helping a confused kid transition to the other nail.  

[listen2me 23 1,831]

1 hour ago, Dizkneelande said:

Totally normal

 

It is actually normal.  Pride events for some reason are heavy on the skin and sexual acts.   But this is the reason why these things aren't for kids.  

[jerryskids 6,576]

4 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Most if not all people that want to ban transgender care are fundamentally against trans people.  Some will admit, others will hide behind specious arguments like these.

Yep, you got me, I hate the trans.  Glad we could continue our adult conversation about it.   

[Blue Horseshoe 348]

25 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Especially when it comes to conditions without long-time proven treatments, we should have DOCTORS making the decisions, not POLITICIANS. This is really easy.

We already have a myriad of laws and ethics rules, along with medical boards and agencies regulating drugs and medical devices, to regulate doctors so that they are not hurting their patients nor taking advantage of them.

The last thing we need is election-denying nuts telling other people what medical care they can or cannot get their own kids.

Live and let live. It’s all “Parent’s rights!” when it comes to GOP legislators’ kids having to learn about Emmett Till, Rosa Parks, or Ruby Bridges. But parents of transgender kids are denied their rights by the same politicians. They need to GTFO.

 

 

 

 

[dogcows 1,030]

5 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Not exactly.  But if you have a hammer clinic, problems tend to look like nails.  Especially if society has convinced you that you are doing the Lord's work in helping a confused kid transition to the other nail.  

So, are cancer clinics the same? You could say the same thing about any clinic that specializes in treating certain conditions. It doesn’t make it true. It’s often better to gather specialists in a field into one clinic so the patient doesn’t have to travel all over for the various aspects of the care they need.

In a country of 350+ million people spread over 3.5 million square miles, 100 clinics for even a fairly rare condition doesn’t seem out of proportion.

[jerryskids 6,576]

4 minutes ago, dogcows said:

So, are cancer clinics the same? You could say the same thing about any clinic that specializes in treating certain conditions. It doesn’t make it true. It’s often better to gather specialists in a field into one clinic so the patient doesn’t have to travel all over for the various aspects of the care they need.

In a country of 350+ million people spread over 3.5 million square miles, 100 clinics for even a fairly rare condition doesn’t seem out of proportion.

Sorry but the cancer clinic is a terrible analogy.  We have the science to establish its existence and best-known medical practices.

It would be like if we had no diagnostic abilities, and somebody came in and said "gee doc, I think I saw some blood in my stool," and the doc said "could be colon cancer, let's start a chemo regimen!

Regarding number of clinics, we seemed to do OK with zero about 15 years ago.  This is not to say there were no resources available to trans people, but rather no dedicated clinics solely to trans.  

[Blue Horseshoe 348]

27 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Especially when it comes to conditions without long-time proven treatments, we should have DOCTORS making the decisions, not POLITICIANS. This is really easy.

We already have a myriad of laws and ethics rules, along with medical boards and agencies regulating drugs and medical devices, to regulate doctors so that they are not hurting their patients nor taking advantage of them.

The last thing we need is election-denying nuts telling other people what medical care they can or cannot get their own kids.

Live and let live. It’s all “Parent’s rights!” when it comes to GOP legislators’ kids having to learn about Emmett Till, Rosa Parks, or Ruby Bridges. But parents of transgender kids are denied their rights by the same politicians. They need to GTFO.

 

 

 Trans activism is sexist and delusional

Jordan Peterson 27 March 2023 

...summarising current scientific understanding and coming from a research psychologist and clinician.  ...Let's start with the basics. Sexual differentiation, on the biological front – where the whole woman/man dichotomy originates, after all – happened two billion years in the past, long before nervous systems developed a mere 600 million years ago. The brute fact of sexual dichotomy was already a constant before even the basics of our perceptual, motivational, emotional and cognitive systems made their appearance on the cosmic stage...The fact that such perception and sex-linked action was possible even before nervous systems themselves evolved should provide proof to anyone willing to think that the sexual binary is both fundamental objective fact and primary psychological axiom....There’s more: sexual differentiation is observable at every level of biological function. Sperm and egg are sexually differentiated; the 40 trillion cells that make up the human body each have a nucleus containing 23 paired chromosomes. Every single cell (with some minor exceptions) in a woman is female, and every single cell in a man male....

...Physiological differences between the sexes, in addition to those that obtain at the cellular level, are manifold. Human males and females differ, on average, in hormonal function, brain organization, height, weight, strength, endurance, facial features and patterns of bodily hair, to take some obvious examples. But the differences are not limited to the physical. Men and women differ enough in temperament so that they can be distinguished with about 75% accuracy on that basis alone. If differences in interest are taken into account, that distinction becomes even more accurate. Such temperamental and interest differences are also larger, not smaller, in more gender-neutral societies, a strong indication of their biological basis....

...Identity is not subjective: The claim of the so-called “progressives”, however, is that feelings alone are sufficient to define personhood. This claim is simultaneously ignorant, preposterous and malevolent. Even if biology was ignored entirely, identity is not and cannot be deemed merely subjective – not least because the environment to which each individual must adapt is social, as well as natural, and not solipsistic. This means that every person must, by the very nature of being human, adopt a way of being that he or she cannot entirely choose. The blatant fact of the existence of others and the brute realities of the objective natural world require careful adaptation: the careful negotiation of identity.... 

...To socially integrate, it is necessary for us to adopt, voluntarily, and at an early age, a plethora of shared frames of reference and patterns of action, precisely so we render ourselves acceptable and desirable to others ....Sanity is not something internal, but the consequence of a harmonized social integration....Identity is therefore by no means “a state of feeling that is subjectively defined” but the adoption of a way of being that allows for the integration of individuals into a hierarchy of social being. Sanity is also not mere subjective “happiness” or even the slightly more profound “absence of suffering (fear and pain)” but the sense of harmony that prevails when individual, couple, family, friends, town and nation are all functioning together toward the same end and for the same and voluntarily-accepted reasons...

..Subjective feeling is not a negotiated identity of the sophisticated and socially-integrated form. It is instead, something akin to raw emotion – something shallow, impulsive, and mutable; something that does not iterate well, in its hedonic excesses, across social situations or time. Thus, those who argue that that emotion (in its most short-term manifestation) must be, ethically and by law, the determining measure of “identity,” of clinical and medical practice, and of legal personhood, are insisting with force on the adoption of an idea as imprudent and immature as can possibly be conceptualized....

...This is an unquestioned tenet of proper clinical practice, although the APA and the other professional organizations that hypothetically regulate such things have thrown that all out the window in their rush to validate subjective feeling. This is unethical in the extreme, by the standards of practice simultaneously insisted upon by the same organizations. It is simply not appropriate for clinicians to rely solely on the subjective reports of their clients or research subjects. It is in fact clear malpractice for them to do so – and that malpractice is heightened in its unethical pathology when it is further insisted that subjective self-report is not only sufficient but necessarily trumps all other actual and potential sources of evidence....

...Anorexics and bulimics are not too fat despite their belief in their own overweight status. Those who are suicidal do not deserve or have a right to their own death merely because they are depressed and feeling useless to the point of despair. People with obsessive compulsive disorder are not contaminated to the point of using a whole bar of soap during a single shower, despite believing that they have become unacceptably dirty. Paranoid people are not being persecuted by the CIA. Schizophrenics with religious delusions are not the holy figures they imagine themselves to be, and manics are not correct in their assumptions of grandiose destiny. Period. The end. And any therapists who beg to differ – or who are insisting that all that may be true but somehow does not apply in the case of “gender dysphoria” – have abdicated their professional responsibility and are violating the deepest ethics of their profession...This is particularly true when those offering the subjective self-report are children, whose testimony in relationship to self must be considered in light of their comparative immaturity and limited knowledge of self, past, present and future....

...This is what being a “woman” has come to. What constitutes “female” has now been reduced to “any human with a hole, however produced, that a man can use as a substitute or replacement for masturbation or dyadic intercourse.” That definition is the ultimate in sexism. That is far and away a more reductionist and derogatory conceptualization of woman than anything previously foisted on women by even the most oppressive of patriarchal and misogynistic tyrants....

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/03/27/trans-activism-sexist-delusional/

[TheNewGirl 1,357]

17 minutes ago, dogcows said:

So, are cancer clinics the same? You could say the same thing about any clinic that specializes in treating certain conditions. It doesn’t make it true. It’s often better to gather specialists in a field into one clinic so the patient doesn’t have to travel all over for the various aspects of the care they need.

In a country of 350+ million people spread over 3.5 million square miles, 100 clinics for even a fairly rare condition doesn’t seem out of proportion.

Seriously? 

No. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,956]

Children, under no circumstances, should be mutilated. Yes, I know better than doctors.  I’d kill one if they ever did that to my child. And whoever assisted them. 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

If the argument is that trans clinics are duping kids into thinking they are trans so they can cut their d's off (lol, sorry), then how is it a stretch to say that cancer clinics can dupe patients into their cancer spreading and undergoing expensive treatments, right?

In fact we've seen this type of fraud before in the medical community, unfortunately.  The solution is not to outlaw the clinic, but rather regulate them and eliminate the fraud and abuse.

[GutterBoy 2,898]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Children, under no circumstances, should be mutilated. Yes, I know better than doctors.  I’d kill one if they ever did that to my child. And whoever assisted them. 

Your son circumsized?

[paulinstl 296]

1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

Your son circumsized?

I doubt he'd ever give a tip to anyone.

[jerryskids 6,576]

3 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

If the argument is that trans clinics are duping kids into thinking they are trans so they can cut their d's off (lol, sorry), then how is it a stretch to say that cancer clinics can dupe patients into their cancer spreading and undergoing expensive treatments, right?

In fact we've seen this type of fraud before in the medical community, unfortunately.  The solution is not to outlaw the clinic, but rather regulate them and eliminate the fraud and abuse.

I already explained why this is a terrible analogy, and what would be a better analogy were we in a different situation with cancer.

[GutterBoy 2,898]

Just now, paulinstl said:

I doubt he'd ever give a tip to anyone.

unless the person had a rash, to get a fix foreskin.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,956]

2 minutes ago, paulinstl said:

I doubt he'd ever give a tip to anyone.

WTF? That’s where your sick mind goes? Fockin creep. 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

I already explained why this is a terrible analogy, and what would be a better analogy were we in a different situation with cancer.

Yeah and I explained to you why it's not terrible.  If you're leveling the charge of fraud for profit, then it relates across the industry.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,956]

So Gutterboy was for mutilation, then against it, now he’s for it. Miss your meds again? 

[seafoam1 2,804]

7 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Your son circumsized?

WTF? 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,956]

2 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

WTF? 

That dumbass equates removing the whole thing and leaving a stinky hole there as the same. 

[Blue Horseshoe 348]

17 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Your son circumsized?

 

https://www.fftodayforums.com/forum/topic/508518-what-is-a-woman-matt-walsh-film/?do=findComment&comment=7282532

On 06/03/23 at 8:34AM, @GutterBoy posted:

"There is no logic coming from Jordan Peterson.  You're better served not following that jack ass."

 

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[Blue Horseshoe 348]

17 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

In fact we've seen this type of fraud before in the medical community, unfortunately.  

 

https://www.fftodayforums.com/forum/topic/508518-what-is-a-woman-matt-walsh-film/?do=findComment&comment=7282532

On 06/03/23 at 8:34AM, @GutterBoy posted:

"There is no logic coming from Jordan Peterson.  You're better served not following that jack ass."

 

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"First, men and women are more similar than they are different. This is true, cross-culturally. Even when men and women are most different —in those cultures where they differ most, and along those trait dimensions where they differ most — they are more similar than different. However, the differences that do exist are large enough so that they play an importance role in determining or at least affecting important life outcomes, such as occupational choice. Here’s a paper, for example, indicating that more gender-equal countries produce comparatively fewer women in the STEM fields. Here’s another, showing that at least some of the much-vaunted gender gap in pay, which is caused by many factors, can be attributed to male/female personality differences and not to simple discrimination.

Where are the largest differences? Men are less agreeable (more competitive, harsher, tough-minded, skeptical, unsympathetic, critically-minded, independent, stubborn). This is in keeping with their proclivity, also documented cross-culturally,  to manifest higher rates of violence and antisocial or criminal behavior, such that incarceration rates for men vs women approximate 15:1. Women are higher in negative emotion, or neuroticism. They experience more anxiety, emotional pain, frustration, grief, self-conscious doubt and disappointment (something in keeping with their proclivity to experience depression at twice the rate of men). These differences appear to emerge at puberty. Perhaps it’s a consequence of women’s smaller size, and the danger that poses in conflict. Perhaps it’s a consequence of their sexual vulnerability. Perhaps (and this is the explanation I favor) it’s because women have always taken primary care of infants, who are exceptionally vulnerable, and must therefore suffer from hyper-vigilance to threat.

There are other sex differences, as well, but they aren’t as large, excepting that of the aforementioned interest: men are comparatively more interested in things and women in people. This is the largest psychological difference between men and women yet identified. And these differences drive occupational choice, particularly at the extremes. Engineers, for example, tend to be those who are not only interested in things, but who are more interested in things than most people, men or women.

It’s very important to remember that many choices are made at the extreme, and not the average. It’s not the average more aggressive/less agreeable male that’s in prison. In fact, if you draw a random man and a random woman from the population, and you bet that the woman is more aggressive/less agreeable, you’d be correct about 40% of the time. But if you walked into a roomful of people everyone of whom had been selected to be the most aggressive person out of a 100 almost every one of them would be male.

So even though men and women are more the same than they are different, the differences can matter."

https://www.jordanbpeterson.com/political-correctness/the-gender-scandal-part-one-scandinavia-and-part-two-canada/

[The Real timschochet 6,447]

@jerryskids I believe your concern that the number of transgender clinics has exploded in recent years is based on a misconception that the number of those who identify as transgender has also exploded. This is, IMO, is false:

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/new-study-estimates-16-million-us-identify-transgender-2022-06-10/

Based on a study from last year, 1.6 million Americans identify as transgender. That’s a tiny percentage of the population. But my theory is that these folks were always around: because of greater social acceptance in our current day they are willing to admit it openly, both to others and themselves. Before, it was hidden away. It still is for many: you can bet that the actual number is much higher than 1.6 million. But this is why the number of clinics have exploded, to fulfill a need that has always been there, but never revealed until now. 
 

My main concern is that this backlash against trans from conservatives will cause many of them to go back into hiding, will all that entails. And the suicides will increase.